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Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I take no blame.

Strong kills are given for a reason. You got a Doctor claim. why isn't the Doctor dead???

Scum can also co-ordinate attacks in the day for extra kills. It felt balanced to me.
I mean we tried, turns out there were roles that circumvented our kill and block combo. It’s a good thing we didn’t try and strong kill there that night because it would have burned the strong kill AND our only distance kill all to fail.

Coordinating attacks was not a very viable route given the map setup.

Realized it implicated spoilers.
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm glad everyone was entertained by my role lmao. I was honestly having a tough time getting into the normal game, I wasn't lying when I said I was still in spec chat mode, it was hard for me to work up the effort to actually go and quote a bunch of posts and accuse people the way I normally do. I did want to keep myself from being NK'd so part of it was just wanting a healthy amount of side-eyes on me, but I definitely got a bit too lazy by the end of D2 so I don't blame anyone who wanted to vote me out.

I still have technically never been mislunched though! This is only the second time I've been voted out of a game, and I was not Town in either of them lol.

It was so fun being the T-Rex after death though lmao, had wayyyyy more fun once I was just shitposting and attacking people lol. Seeing everyone's reactions when I first showed up again on D3 was priceless lmao.

I don't have any reads, I stopped paying attention to the normal game talk once I died really, I was just scrolling to see if there were any attacks on me or if anyone was talking about dinosaurs lol.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
The weirdest thing about Tearable’s read on me is I couldn’t tell you what games I’ve played with him in it if my life depended on it. I was just being nice because I’ve been working with him a lot to make sure his game is good to run later this year, but apparently I was a real dick to him at some point in the past lol My bad, worked out for him though. You’re welcome for my tough love before buddy.
 
Haha terra with that gif lmao
It's a transformation and hype af, but context and all lol
Traitor gif
Pretty big moment in the series, revealing yearlong peers to be outside traitors
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I just noticed that the zoomed in crop of Poltergust's avatar with the egg is in the background and I'm losing it again lmao.
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah agree. I think forcing him to break his alliance with Vere is fine especially since Vere wants out of it, but this is really a bad time to kill Jman if he's town LOL.
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Ok so now I'm guessing:

Stan
Fran
Reki
Lone_Prodigy
Hawthorn
Ynnek7

are scum; Kalor is a wildcard to me I dunno

But this is a pure guts divination not from any sort of actual scum-hunting and/or proper reading
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Couldn't Mafia make a single coordinated simultaneous attack around the world against their Town neighbours and possibly cut Town's numbers instantly down to a point that all of them being so publicly revealed wouldn't even matter and they can attrition the surviving Town out from in the open
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Couldn't Mafia make a single coordinated simultaneous attack around the world against their Town neighbours and possibly cut Town's numbers instantly down to a point that all of them being so publicly revealed wouldn't even matter and they can attrition the surviving Town out from in the open
Maybe after another like...five phases lol
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Agreed, it's getting quite uncomfortable to read. I'm not going to say that Jman hasn't made mistakes with how he's used and declared his role, but I'd be very hard pushed to think that he'd be on the scum team from the way that he's played. From a town perspective, I can't see what flipping him would achieve beyond giving scum ammo to use his activity for FUD purposes.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
It feels like they are going after jman because they don't like the way he's playing than any true scum read. I do share some of the frustrations that some of them have shared but it's one thing to be a little frustrated and another thing to use that frustration to push against him so much.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Ultimately, town's job is to vote out players that they are certain are threats to the town team - namely scum and hostile neutrals. Voting for players just because they've made mistakes - or otherwise just wanting to get rid of them without any real thought for their alignment - is an easy way to bring about a mis-hit, and that helps nobody but the scum team.
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
hey jman. If you ever read this; I just wanna say you gotta not distress yourself too much over the gameplay of [Mafia], friend :(

By signing up for a game of [Mafia]/[Werewolf] you've entered an arena, in which distrust & slander is the STANDARD EQUIPMENT, sword & shield for each player. It's okay to feel emotionally hurt by people accusing you of lying and not trusting you, but I hope I can safely say that most of that DISTRUST from the others here, is not a personal attack against you jman; it's players actively trying to emotionally manipulate you so they can win the game.

That sounds really bad when I type it out

But good players don't hate you as a person, jman. They may be insulting and condescending to you, they may ignore you; but, all that hate from them is "hate"; it's fake hate, it's pretend distrust of you. Because they're really just hating/distrusting what YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE in the game, not you

BUT, if you really feel someone is insulting your intelligence for real over the line, that's not cool, and you should definitely call them out for it. But understand that you have to warn that player AS IF YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF PLAYING SPORTS WITH THEM: what I mean is, please understand that in the middle of this type of Deception/Emotion-based game that [Mafia] is, even if you are ACTUALLY being mentally real-life hurt by something in-game, you will likely & unfortunately NOT be believed/listened to if the way you complain about it to others is by posting "ALL-CAPS END MY SUFFERING STOP IT JUST BELIEVE MEEE PLLSLSSSLSLS"; trust me, I've tried it meself gameplay-wise and it never works the way you want it, what more if you're actually in need?

Players will only think you are being melodramatic FOR THE GAME, as unfortunate as that may be. Most players won't realise you are actually asking for real-life relief from the stress.

So, if you feel you are in real-life pain in the middle of a [Mafia] game, please as formally as you can just tell the game-host and the other players... and bow out if you need to... Don't suffer in real life on account of this game

You gotta treat it like theatre; although the emotions you may feel are real, pls understand you're taking part in a show, by which I mean you and the other players were given parts to play as, to act out like actors do. And at the end of the day, at the end of the game; all the actors put their costumes/Roles in the laundry of GG and you're just people/friends together again, yeah?

You may pour your heart & soul into your PLANS and your GAMBIT; but you have to treat your plans like a MOVIE SCRIPT. If that shit falls apart on you like the biggest tragedy e v e r, don't beat yourself up. And DON'T be angry at the other players for not believing/"understanding" your ACTING. Treat it like you are a new movie that got bad reviews, laugh and learn and adapt another novel, yeah?

You said you read our games back on GAF and that's cool; I'll tell you, I've lost real sleep over games before, especially early-on (in Cthulhu Island yep, but most of all in Love Boat 1; those were rough seas bruh) and nothing hurts more than to see your carefully-laid plans / gambit crumble to nothing or even worse, backfire and get you killed (as 91.7% of mine do).

But glory-seeking should be harmless fun, yes?

please do not suffer in real life on account of [Mafia] the forum game
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Jman just gotta come to a decision and lean into it. If you want to be gambit extraordinaire like...go for it man, you’re allowed to play how you want. But don’t then expect your gambits to result in rock solid outcomes. Lynch all liars is a thing and when you go for gambits sometimes you’ll get burned. You might catch flak for it, but it really isn’t all that serious friend.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Reki for #SickRead Scum.
I still stand by this #SickRead that I put out right before I died btw, Reki is totally Scum in this game. The big quote walls and large posts are just obfuscating the fact that they are actually Scum, it's basically the same game Natiko was playing, just with more overt politeness.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I still stand by this #SickRead that I put out right before I died btw, Reki is totally Scum in this game. The big quote walls and large posts are just obfuscating the fact that they are actually Scum, it's basically the same game Natiko was playing, just with more overt politeness.

Yup. I’m still confident in this read lol. Reki is just making noise that looks like their putting in work because there’s a lot of it, but there’s not really anything of substance and they’re not really pursuing anything. People really need to stop falling for the “Polite quote wall = townie scum hunting” thing.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, I'm bored so I'm gunna quote this gigantic Reki post and scrutinize the fuck out of it, because I doubt anyone in game is going to.

All the fun stuff happens when I'm not around, hate you all.
UwU
The bolded could go both ways - although I've been admitedly suspecting him since last phase -. Let me ask then, which Kawl's post do you like the most?
Easy and pointless question, Wee has already read all of Kawl's posts and gave a read, but now Reki wants to give her some homework to do? For what reason? To try to make her second guess herself?
How... nice I guess? And to the (un?)bolded, I don't recall that being the case. But hey, this game is huge, maybe it happened and I just forgot.

Also you may want to submit that vote again.
Reacts nonchalantly to Wee's vote on them and places doubts on Wee's memory of them.
This is both funny and mean.
Fluff.
Seems like this won't happen today but just wanted to note that, in case of a mass claim, we should order these by how suspected players are.
Fluff game strategy suggestion, totally NAI.
When you first brought that up it sounded like such a weird point to vote him for, got me confused.
Fluff comment about Tearable's vote on Natiko.
The Kawl read was weird and inconsistent with Nat's "I'll chime in when Risk talk dies down.", but I'm having trouble there right now because it's full of WIFOM.
Throws more shade at Kawl.
Could I ask you something here? Would yo be as kind as to read Ynnek's 10 first posts last phase and then compare these to his later posts the same day and tell me if you find any differences? Thank you.
Another instance of giving someone a pointless homework assignment that is only going to make them start second guessing themselves.
Why are you so sure of the bolded? Other players that were around, like jman, completely avoided confrontation there.

You also played with mafia!Hawthorn in an earlier game right? I thought you said she was being less reserved this game, but I may be confusing that with a comment from Terra or someone else.
Tries to mess with Launch's read on Hawthorn.
After reading Nat's flip I thought of doing it when I had some time, so thank you for going ahead. The downside is that you're set to be the vote compiler for the rest of the game though.
Fluff.
Aside from nin and - obviously - me, I'm fine with this, but need to re-read Salva since that's a residue from Ambulance's days.
Is ok with LP having scum reads on Ynnek and Kawl, who are both low hanging fruit imo.
Sure, as long as I'm not forced to, buddy!
Fluff.
This is a bad look, yeah. Dunno if enough to vote him out, but yeah.

We'll see tomorrow I guess, agreed with your other point than there being so many good objectives out there the last kill is weird.
Throws shade at Kopite's Doctor claim.
Well, don't make mistakes then.

(It's a known problem with Xenforo according to the Tech people it seems.)
Fluff.
This was the more sus thing for me after catching-up, yeah.

He was basically voted out because he was pushing TP really hard, right? As if folks assumed baddies had a Role Cop or something.
Says the push for Hedin was the "most sus thing" after catching up, throwing some shade at people who were pushing for that.
This was surprising, yeah. Stuff like this;

Is a bit extreme.

At the same time I get his "Don't vote out bad play." stance, though.
More shade at Kopite.
Fluff.
This is working circumstantially as "another" Doctor, but you know it could go wrong really easily.
Wants to put doubt on the protection claims.
Hey, I hope things get better for you, Stan. Take care!
Fluff.
jman discussion is easy to blend into, yes. Do you think anyone pushing/defending him in particular is sus?
Asks Ynnek for takes on people who are pushing for Jman and agrees they are sus.
While I do think there're more sus players, it's a good info flip, yeah.
But then immediately agrees with flipping Jman for "info".
So you're mostly worried about self-preservation with this, right?

Dunno if you shared somewhere else and I missed it, but what are your thoughts on Kawl?
Asks Salva for thoughts on Kawl. Really seems to want people to focus on Kawl.
Oh no. Why did you have to say the word, now I'll be second-guessing that check for the rest of the gae.
FUD about a possible Godfather having been green checked.
If I got this right everyone in this list is there due to mechanics/roles. Let's get these claims out of the equation, how do you feel about these folks?
Asks Hawthorn to explain her Town reads without using their role claims as a reason, so more homework assignments to make people second guess themselves.
Unless he was killed because he found out something, as Fran speculated about. Kyan's last thoughts could be a lie for all we know.

That'd be so evil and make for a nice anecdote in the future too.
Pushes the "Vere was a Scum Mason" narrative, which seems really weird to me as I've never heard of a Mason being Scum ever, and I don't know why people are leaning towards this strange reality as being a possibility.
The longer we go without the claimed PRs being night-killed, the more likely it is suspicion could get them lunched.

But that's full of WIFOM.

At the same time, with the game's mechanics being labeled "experimental" at sign-ups, I guess there could be space for unforeseen broken town PR combinations to exist? Dunno.
Random role/mechanic speculation and WIFOM about PRs not being night killed.
You've got to talk to me about this game sometime, I bet it was soooo different back then.

Like, I'm dying to know but at the same time don't want to go to that place.
Fluff.
Would you be willing to give me some time to do this properly? Barely got to catch up now and I'd like to do a nice list after Nat's flip, but probably won't be able to until tomorrow at least.

If you totally need to get my thoughts quickly, I could put together a short list without much explanation though.
Holds off on giving any reads of their own just yet.

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In conclusion, that's a big wall of nothing and Reki is Scum.

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Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
What is this wee-Launch-Vere "knowing glances across the room" going on now? Whatever it is I demand Illuminati-level execution
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
It's about Tearable's shots and Jman. Jman made the case for the stay of his own execution - keep him alive for one more day so that he can protect Tearable and Tearable can check someone. The elephant in the room is that Jman cannot achieve what he wants because Tearable has ran out of shots.
 

Ynnek7

OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
Heya, Spec Chat!

That kill came a bit faster then I thought it would, lol. I had a few ideas on how to keep going the next few days, but probably couldn't have got them to work.

I had a lot of fun, Geno, thanks for running this!
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
I see Geno had a specific balance stipulation towards preventing you ynnek from firewalling the continents apart, shame
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
was scum!Fran failing his counterattack against me, the catalyst that made scum!Launch make the excuse to advance towards me across INDONESIA to finish me off? Maybe?
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
LaunchpadMcQ said:
I guess I could attack Fran, if that's what the consensus is. I'm not exactly stacked with troops, but he seems like he's lost his will to play. I'd like to do a reread first, though, and be sure this is the right call. That might go up in the morning.
Not exactly BREAKING NEWS there
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
[QUOTE="TearablePuns"[/QUOTE]Okay, i just got done reading over a few reads lists and i think im down with day killing and/or lunching any player whose name rhymes with “pan”[/QUOTE]
Iknowrite

hmm, I still personally don't think jman's scum. But yeah do I concur with offing Stan & Fran

I just really feel like Stan's scum this game, big guts

And Fran my bruh... I honestly can't genuinely read you this game.... "You're Tearing Me Apart, Game", is such a difficult play to read because if it's true anguish and you go ahead to try & push that player further for their participation, that's just being terribly harsh & cruel against that player, so everyone really has no choice but to mildly put the player off to the sideline so the game just continues around them......

And then you start saying you don't want to sub out because you're thinking about how that would negatively affect the game-state for the others........................ but........................................................ you then go about asking everybody to spend a Day-phase sacrificing their lunch to you...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... to put us out of your misery for us for you?????????????
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I just really feel like Stan's scum this game, big guts
I started feeling this pretty hard when I saw one of his catch-up posts this day phase. He basically just summarized events and quoted a few people, but gave literally 0 opinions on anything. It felt like he was trying to make things to say rather than actually having anything to say, if that makes sense.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I also think Terra is Scum.


So let's see, my full hot take Scum Team would be, like...
Reki
Stan
Terra
Kawl? Nin? Wee??

The full size of the team depends on whether there's another Neutral or not. With 2 confirmed already, I'm starting to lean towards it being a 5 player team.
 
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