Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
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Sawneeks
little green dog
See:
And because both potential options for you are literally no loss. Would I love to hit a baddie? No shit, but we also have chances to lynch them and I'm fairly certain you're not Mafia and are just clogging things up in the thread instead of letting conversation move on.
Considering the size of the game I'd really want to clear conversation at this stage.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Thank you for this insight *praying emoji*
ANARCHY!
CHAOS!
DISORDER!
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Joking aside this is completely true. I think ITAs will be a very valuable source of info.
Alright fuck this I'll finish my catch up later
:( It's true but whatever.
That said, thanks (for the last bit)
Back to the actual game.
Since they were mentioned earlier, I'll tag them @Fireblend want to hear more from you about how things went.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
[QUOTE="Sawneeks, post: 26020, member:
b..but i thought we were magic buddies? ;;
Kawl already said it but what makes him Scum?
also this post says roughly nothing.
.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts on some of the stuff that happened yesterday. I don’t really care how you feel about the post.
Kawl his only excuse seems to be it was a gambit, boring etc. or mafia wouldn’t/scum wouldn’t make the play he did. Either way would like a flip on him.
b..but i thought we were magic buddies? ;;
Kawl already said it but what makes him Scum?
also this post says roughly nothing.
.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts on some of the stuff that happened yesterday. I don’t really care how you feel about the post.
Kawl his only excuse seems to be it was a gambit, boring etc. or mafia wouldn’t/scum wouldn’t make the play he did. Either way would like a flip on him.
Verelios
Were-elios
I wanted a generally unbiased opinion on if she seemed agressive or it was just in my head.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Donna dead.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Sawneeks
little green dog
EzekelRage posted this massive list in the middle of Bear being called out for his bad reasoning for voting against Stuart that contradicted his reasons why people should NOT vote for him. Note, this doesn't even reference Bear.
Kawl claims shortly before this as well and a joke is made asking for Zeke's god, showing he was reading and paying attention.
Shortly after this we have Bear's shitposting:
Which is then followed by this vote, completely ignoring Bear and that discussion. Instead he votes for Kawl because he has a power that is 'believed to be scum', noting that he doesn't say he believes it is scum.
Which he disappears for the remainder of the Phase. Either he really didn't pay attention or he was purposefully ignoring Bear. I'm willing to fall to the latter here.
This is also my problem with the TD, the no lynch. It atleast would've given us something to go on.
Anyway my read of the situation or w/e.
My vote today was gonna be on Cool Vere or Splinter.
Cool - for his power role/claim shenigans earlier in the game. May be that he misplayed, but idk. Seemed scummy
Vere - as I pointed out earlier. He benefited from the TD. Doesn't matter how much time was left in the day, he was the topic of discussion and seems to have skated by after the TD.
Splinter - This goes to the TD. Im not familiar with the power but it was stated by him that this has to be a scum power. Saying that sort of clears him and melon as town. He also made the post asking for whoever called the TD to out themselves. Then points out how weird it was that it was he and melon that were in the TD.
Theory 1 - Splinter is scum, didn't want to lynch melon, but decided to "save" melon. Gaining townie points. A couple votes mentioned that as the reason they didn't want to vote Splinter.
Theory 2 - Both melon and Splint are scum and the push for No Lynch was part of the plan the whole time. Also making this power seem like a scum power clears at least one of them, if not both, in the eyes of town.
Vere is the best vote for us imo. Some ppl linked a vere scum flip to more answers in the event. Also with the recent posters pointing out why they don't want to vote for vere, could shed some light on that as well.
Kawl claims shortly before this as well and a joke is made asking for Zeke's god, showing he was reading and paying attention.
Shortly after this we have Bear's shitposting:
Verelios is like a tasty ice cream, you just know you are going to get scum flavor when you order it
Rynam is like a eastern surprise candy - you never know what is inside, but you just want to find out
Which is then followed by this vote, completely ignoring Bear and that discussion. Instead he votes for Kawl because he has a power that is 'believed to be scum', noting that he doesn't say he believes it is scum.
Which he disappears for the remainder of the Phase. Either he really didn't pay attention or he was purposefully ignoring Bear. I'm willing to fall to the latter here.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Wait. Never mind. I understand what you meant now.
If you don’t think I’m scum I don’t ever buy that shooting me is the correct move. Let one of the several people who are scum reading me do that and use yours on someone you actually scum read though. Like that don’t make no sense
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
And I mean no disrespect to Donna here, it's just that I have no idea how she plays.
[Meta]
Going by my main point scumteam has someone who's deeply rooted in the community and knows what's up. Especially knowing crimson takes some time with us.
I don't know the likes of Splinter, Saw, Natiko or Monkey come to my mind.
This is just a sidenote, but worth keeping in mind (if other reasons for the nks don't turn up)
Huh, reading this and yeah. he does not feel good to me now.
I also hate that I forgot about that first post because I remember at the time thinking "Why is he calling Vere cool?" until I realized at the next sentence that there should be a comma between the names lol.
But yeah, this is interesting. Why did you completely ignore Bear throughout the whole thing @EzekelRAGE
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Possible either, but if I had to wager a guess, I'd think a scumEzekel would not be so standoffish as he's been. That's enough to make me not put him in my crosshairs for now. I think there are more fruitful targets.
But since I didn't post it earlier, I have Alexem in my notes as being very hesitant to be involved but also willing to assume that there would be lots of death and chaos, which seemed like such a strange, passive take on the game. If you think it's all going down anyway, why hold off on voting? I wanted to talk about this specifically with you since I think this may be average behavior for him? I find it strange in this game but I'm not sure how to weigh it.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Ynnek's vote for Grizzly can be found here. Already went over it early but he lists three options: Ry who he thinks is Neutral or Town, Kawl which he is unsure but his thunderdome was 'definitely a scummy move', and Bear who he does not comment on at the time besides how 'sudden the train appeared' but ends up as his vote choice. Considering that 'a sudden train appearing' in this community is usually talk for people being suspicious of a vote leader his choice to go there instead of Ry makes no sense.
That was his last post of the Phase.
Now kick it to this Day Phase and before I vote for him we get these:
At this point I vote for him with the opening paragraph of this post as my reason which prompts these responses:
To which I respond with the below which was never covered.
That was his last post of the Phase.
Now kick it to this Day Phase and before I vote for him we get these:
At this point I vote for him with the opening paragraph of this post as my reason which prompts these responses:
To which I respond with the below which was never covered.
Ah, that makes sense.
Well, in regards to you two, I think melon is just ribbing you.
When you pointed it out earlier, this bit is throwing alarm bells to me and if Ry does get taken out, and is scum, I think that will look bad on Ynnek.
I think Ynnek has only looked worse as the day developed, personally. Since being called out, he's already posted more since SoD than he did all last phase, but he hasn't really said anything at all. Just defense and busywork.
Slight hesitation: he voted No Lynch in the TD and I dunno if scum would.
Slight hesitation: he voted No Lynch in the TD and I dunno if scum would.
Sawneeks
little green dog
So reading back I was actually super mistaken on Alexem. He is still extremely hesitant for lynch Grizzly but it seems like an odd hill to die on for Alexem.
This above post here is the one I was misremembering. I originally remembered it as Alexem covering his ass for when Grizzly flips but this post only really fits that criteria if Bear had flipped anything other than Mafia. It's still possible Alexem is buddies with another high post player but I'm removing him for being teammates with Bear.
This above post here is the one I was misremembering. I originally remembered it as Alexem covering his ass for when Grizzly flips but this post only really fits that criteria if Bear had flipped anything other than Mafia. It's still possible Alexem is buddies with another high post player but I'm removing him for being teammates with Bear.
problem with that is: No Lynch won so that would cast doubt on any of those that voted No Lynch would be scum.
Except he was one of the early voters. That's a fair point for later votes or people who changed their votes. Less so for the early voters. He was second to vote NL.
Sawneeks
little green dog
That's fine, agree to disgaree. Other people Scum Read you but I have no control of them or who they shoot so I'd rather do it myself.
Not sure how that's hard to understand that I want to remove a 'gray area' and instead vote after my scum reads.
Not sure what the last line in meant to imply but </3
I gotta say you keep giving weird reasons to be against Ynnek and it weirds me out.
Hmm... maybe. I guess I can see the hesitation but the way things have gone down since...
Well, we'll see how the day goes on I guess.
I'm gonna need you to unpack "keep" there considering I'm also on him and I chased him all over the thread earlier.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Not really bad but I feel like the big thing on him, his Grizz vote, is way stronger than what you've been calling out.
Sounds like you're only voting for him because he's stuck in mechanics talk when he arguably was not the only one doing that. Similarly that quote is wrong: he said that before I voted for him, not after. Though I agree it's a weird post ya gotta keep your timeline straight, man.
Posting more, hasn't said much. Sure it's valid but it feels like you're almost nit picking him to keep a reason to vote against him? It's weird.
Sorry. I'm being cranky and should go to bed. But I'm not just going to sit on the one thing. I want to push him and see how it develops because I don't have your confidence that the one thing is strong enough - but watching the way Ynnek has reacted to being pushed does make me feel more strongly that there's a thread there that needs to be pulled.
Sawneeks
little green dog
last one because i'm 99% sure this was directed at me and i gotta get some zzzzz
Honestly for both of you it's how you reacted based on your meta/personalities. What I mean is you reacted calmly and suggested no bloodshed while Melon jumped in an went for your throat and played it up. Both are contradicting moves opposite the other but it's something that fits both of your characters in different ways.
Take Melon. She jumped right at your throat and enjoyed playing it up:
What this tells me is she is unafraid and has nothing to lose. She's willing to butt heads with you and start a fight that could end in her death and doesn't hesitate to do it. If she were Scum I don't see this level of willingness coming from her nor her openness with information to confirm her own Flavor Name:
In contrast we have you, someone I'd argue is a good Scum Player who is willing to dive into the fray and stir up nonsense even if it costs you your life. My Town read of you is actually for the complete opposite reason of Melon: You're playing it safe, shying away from the fight instead of continuing with it:
This tells me you have something to protect. But given I've seen your unabashed Scum play and how much you love to stir shit up either you are a VERY strong Scum role or you are Town and genuinely did not want this fight to take place. There is a possibility here that you are Neutral and only looked after your own skin and, in which case, good job, but the earnest nature of which you argued against the thunderdome and Melon votes does not give me that view.
I will say given this reread I do find Melon's backdown from the challenge kinda sudden and odd, it coming right after you came in with a white flag and voted No Lynch:
But I again go back to her original willingness to clash with you and don't see how it makes sense for a Scum!Melon to thirst for blood like that.
Honestly for both of you it's how you reacted based on your meta/personalities. What I mean is you reacted calmly and suggested no bloodshed while Melon jumped in an went for your throat and played it up. Both are contradicting moves opposite the other but it's something that fits both of your characters in different ways.
Take Melon. She jumped right at your throat and enjoyed playing it up:
What this tells me is she is unafraid and has nothing to lose. She's willing to butt heads with you and start a fight that could end in her death and doesn't hesitate to do it. If she were Scum I don't see this level of willingness coming from her nor her openness with information to confirm her own Flavor Name:
In contrast we have you, someone I'd argue is a good Scum Player who is willing to dive into the fray and stir up nonsense even if it costs you your life. My Town read of you is actually for the complete opposite reason of Melon: You're playing it safe, shying away from the fight instead of continuing with it:
This tells me you have something to protect. But given I've seen your unabashed Scum play and how much you love to stir shit up either you are a VERY strong Scum role or you are Town and genuinely did not want this fight to take place. There is a possibility here that you are Neutral and only looked after your own skin and, in which case, good job, but the earnest nature of which you argued against the thunderdome and Melon votes does not give me that view.
I will say given this reread I do find Melon's backdown from the challenge kinda sudden and odd, it coming right after you came in with a white flag and voted No Lynch:
Trigger pulled the trigger and left.
Hmm.
Vote: No Lynch
But I again go back to her original willingness to clash with you and don't see how it makes sense for a Scum!Melon to thirst for blood like that.
Sawneeks
little green dog
g'night, good luck with the ITAs, etc. etc.
please dont kill me
it's not really displeasure, more like I saw it and went 'huh, that's weird'. displeasure is almost too harsh to describe it. it's like a curiosity.
and go to bed, cranky. we can yell at each other tomorrow.
please dont kill me
it's not really displeasure, more like I saw it and went 'huh, that's weird'. displeasure is almost too harsh to describe it. it's like a curiosity.
and go to bed, cranky. we can yell at each other tomorrow.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Sorry about earlier post, on mobile and trying to cobble together a response
Also your last part about me disappearing after the kawl vote is an outright lie. I made these after the kawl vote.
So either ur just lazy or purposely left those out because it didn’t fit your narrative and figured no one would go back to fact check. I think it’s the latter.
My td theory timing has nothing to do with grizzly and at the time is when I finally got enuff. time during the day to make a meaningful post. About what I skimmed. I ignored the grizzly stuff because I found the td/kawl stuff more intriguing. The welp was posted because that took me awhile to put together and I thought kawl killed my theory.
Also your last part about me disappearing after the kawl vote is an outright lie. I made these after the kawl vote.
So either ur just lazy or purposely left those out because it didn’t fit your narrative and figured no one would go back to fact check. I think it’s the latter.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
You know you make it really hard to shoot you sometimes.
You know you make it really hard to not shoot you sometimes.
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
i find it hilarious that kawl is acting all indignant about people's reaction to a confusing gambit even he seems to think was pointless .
if you can point me toward these arguments or tldr them i would very much like to hear them.
(fake edit: and i now see you have done just that, magical)
oh it was nothing personal, just you only showed up when i was tanked and i was passed out for the rest of that day phase.
if you can point me toward these arguments or tldr them i would very much like to hear them.
(fake edit: and i now see you have done just that, magical)
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I'm not sure what happened there but I'm pretty sure it was you who said what I quoted.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I'm game.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Morning, folks. I see we've got through quite a bit this morning already, but then I suppose with so many flips, that's only natural. For what it's worth, Grizzly did come as a genuine surprise to me - reading towards the end of the day I could have seen him being neutral as claimed, but it's clear that I missed the red flags. (Told you I'm dreadful at D1.). With regards to my concern around the end-of-day voting for Grizzly, it think it's the speed at which it gathered pace compared to the rate of discussion of him earlier in the day. Also, the initial catalyst for the train seemed to involve around meta based on Monopoly, and I freely admit that I'm somewhat sceptical of using meta as motivation for a push against someone - just a personal take of mine in general.
I took some time to go over Grizzly and the interactions with him in D1 yesterday. From that, I'd say that I'm my town-read of Stuart has improved from the interest in his lynch. Again, it's a gut feeling - I understand there's the possibility of a bussing attempt, but I still feel uncomfortable with assuming that's happened 'because they did that in Monopoly'. That was Monopoly, this isn't - I still think that by itself is a little tenuous as a reason for suspicion.
I'm feeling a little better about Rynam and NeckToChicken now than before. I'd still like to hear a little more from them - especially Rynam - but I can see them being set up by mafia as easy targets. Again, I can't rule out the possibility of a bus, but I get the feeling that they were more of an easy target.
What I didn't care much for was Kawl's false gladiator claim. Coming as it did after voting for Grizzly had started, I can't see any reason for it other than as an attempt to split the Grizzly vote. Given that we now know how Grizzly flipped, I don't like the implications for that maneuvre at all.
That, to tell the truth, was a crap meta joke about Grizzly never seeming to make it past N2. While I may not be one for using meta for reads, I wasn't above using it for a duff joke. Probably not the best idea in retrospect.
To tell the truth, I was very close to calling your bluff on this one - I bottled it in the end and stuck with Rynam as he'd been my gut read initially and It thought it would be better to follow it.
I took some time to go over Grizzly and the interactions with him in D1 yesterday. From that, I'd say that I'm my town-read of Stuart has improved from the interest in his lynch. Again, it's a gut feeling - I understand there's the possibility of a bussing attempt, but I still feel uncomfortable with assuming that's happened 'because they did that in Monopoly'. That was Monopoly, this isn't - I still think that by itself is a little tenuous as a reason for suspicion.
I'm feeling a little better about Rynam and NeckToChicken now than before. I'd still like to hear a little more from them - especially Rynam - but I can see them being set up by mafia as easy targets. Again, I can't rule out the possibility of a bus, but I get the feeling that they were more of an easy target.
What I didn't care much for was Kawl's false gladiator claim. Coming as it did after voting for Grizzly had started, I can't see any reason for it other than as an attempt to split the Grizzly vote. Given that we now know how Grizzly flipped, I don't like the implications for that maneuvre at all.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I chose this.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Two scum in a td?
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Meh, this all follows but I think it gives way too much town cred to melon for acting the way I'd expect her to (regardless of alignment). Yeah she was aggressive in the jokey/gif-y way, but she doesn't even vote. She waits for me to show up and then immediately follows my no lynch, and you seem to gloss over that point.
I'd maybe give a town point for being forthcoming with her name, but Sorian has been very explicit about how meaningless they are, and the fact he used our names in the flavour backs that up. On this point especially I think you're reaching to justify the opinion you already gave.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
You are unprepared for the day Splints and I end up as scummates.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
You give me too much cred here I feel. Too easily convinced.
One, I never voted for super-friend Bear. The vote after was for Vere. Two, I would not trust me scum reading anyone one day one, that is straight from the greatest hits of scum Kyaaa.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Dunno if this line of thought is even worth following now, will determine that next I imagine. For an answers sake:
#714 was the initial case and the point I was comfortable enough to vote for Vere. It was sometime after that Vere solidified his story into a one whole package that fit the snippets he posted. The case then changed its form somewhat and became a case of evasion and obfuscation. By the point you came in all ANGERY, we were necks deep in, arguing about how either side viewed what had passed. Vere was adamant that he had been straightforward and coherent with his story and I was just mad he did not mean what I thought he meant. I was adamant that there was a chance Vere was on purpose being vague with his explanation in order to cover for himself.
Yeah, day one arguments.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I don't think there is much to say about Vere or Rynam from super-friend Bear's flip. WIFOM. On the other hand, him going nuts could be him giving ample cover 1st via the shitposts and later via the neutral claim for his mates to join in. That could be a thing. Latecomers to the train have an increased chance of being meanies, mabby.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
What do ya need? About to drown in a frozen lake? Some meanie pointing a gun at you? Did a meteor drop on your head.
How about the whole Shoot/Vote/Protect things people did earlier? Why not give us your shoot/vote/protect
Ooh, ooh, let me do that thing too!
Shoot: Blargonaut (after today; Rynam is still my target for today)
Vote: Kawl
Protect: heymonkey
Shoot: Blargonaut (after today; Rynam is still my target for today)
Vote: Kawl
Protect: heymonkey
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Not gonna have a good answer for that but that in itself is a good answer, is it not?
Shoot Splinter for memes, Sawneeks for trusting me too much.
Vote I dunno, don't think my D1 Vere case has legs now though I'll give myself a disclaimer that I haven't parsed much of D2 through yet.
Protect, ehh, boring if I can give it to myself so Apollo I guess. #D1feels
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I personally wouldn't vote for Kawl just for that gambit. Got a reaction out of Splinter. But Splinter is a spooky scum mastermind (and then there is the paranoid case of Kawl and Splints and the power being scum) so I don't know if I'd be as trusting of Splinter as Kawl seems to be now. Perhaps a town point or two for Splinter's favor.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Truffle Shuffle to death: Splinter
*shrug*
How he flipped td vote
*shrug*
How he flipped td vote
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
?!
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Mind if I put that to the test?
BluffCalled:Kawl
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Man I kinda wanted to shoot Zeke but this reads like a town slip to me
---
Nobody wants to join my shooting gang? Let's kill Alexem
MISS
Aww, damnit. My bad luck follows me even here.
MISS
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
This is why I hate you.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
LOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOLOLOLOOL
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
I’m in tears laughing
MISS
Dead scum don't talk.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
You mean for shooting why we did? if so, I already explained earlier that I was going after Ry due to his D1 opportunisticness and being absent before and after the event.
MISS
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Good morning to you, too.