Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
- Thread starter Sorian
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One man stood separated from the group.
Caught in a storm worse than the city he sought to protect.
The countless fiery shapes moving and dying in quick succession.
Only he could see through the madness to the source.
Pre-empting the next attack, he waited.
And he watched.
Today, his senses would fail him.
Hell's kitchen would lose its devil.
LuxCommander has died
.....Wolverine regenerated again somehow.
@Poltergust has returned to the game
Remaining Players:
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DAY 7 BEGINS
Caught in a storm worse than the city he sought to protect.
The countless fiery shapes moving and dying in quick succession.
Only he could see through the madness to the source.
Pre-empting the next attack, he waited.
And he watched.
Today, his senses would fail him.
Hell's kitchen would lose its devil.
LuxCommander has died
.....Wolverine regenerated again somehow.
@Poltergust has returned to the game
Remaining Players:
- rac replaced
Ferg (he/him; EDT) NEW? - Ynnek (he/him; EST)
- Brazil replaced
Fireblend (he/him; GMT-6) - Poltergust (he/him; EST)
- oreomunsta (he/him; UTC-6)
- Kawl (he/him; CDT)
- Fandorin replaced
Xbro (he/him; UTC-6)
Day 7 Ends in:
DAY 7 BEGINS
What's a Star Wars Destiny tournament? o.o
The flavor spells out exactly that I care about something else more than all of you.
It’s a card and dice game. Like magic but with dice and star wars
rac
whatever
damn that actually hurt
Well, I sure am glad that we killed Kalor before giving him a night with all of our claims listed.
Still, here's an interesting thing: both Ynnek and oreo have claimed their role names a couple of phases ago and are still alive, and we know that Kalor must've missed a shot on N6.
rac has claimed to be the owner of the Lone Stranger, but hasn't revealed his role name.
Still, here's an interesting thing: both Ynnek and oreo have claimed their role names a couple of phases ago and are still alive, and we know that Kalor must've missed a shot on N6.
rac has claimed to be the owner of the Lone Stranger, but hasn't revealed his role name.
The headspace I'm in right now tells me that we'd have flipped scum either way. But yeah, thanks for stepping in when you did.
Why why why are more than 25% of the players scum? Sorian, what are you doing to us? :<
You are a man of great taste.
That sounds a million times cooler than what I pictured in my head (a weird Destiny PVP tournament with Star Wars role-playing).
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Sorry guys, missed the end of the last day :( Glad Kalor ended flipping scum. I'm still surprised that the game is going on... How many fucking scum are in this game??
@Poltergust what happened to you? Was your temporary death triggered by you, or were you killed?
@Poltergust what happened to you? Was your temporary death triggered by you, or were you killed?
So... does this mean the day killer is still alive?
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Heading out for a while, just in case responses from me slow down
It’s my own ability.
Maybe. As we speculated yesterday, maybe the day kill command is factional and tied to the ITA phases somehow. But maybe one of us will drop dead soon.
If I drop dead, you know who I think we should lynch.
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Me! :]
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
I only partially role claimed. There's another part in my role that he may have needed to enter for the kill to work, if they even tried targeting me.
I'm an Aesthetic Heartthrob. With Stuart dead, I figured most everyone would consider me dead in the water power wise, so any protective rolls would target more valuable players.
Right on :P
You mean Ascetic, right? Not saying you're not beautiful, but
Still, good on you. You were probably Kalor's target for N6.
By the way, where does this leave me?
As confirmed by Sorian, I just re-entered the game once the day phase started, meaning I couldn't possibly have done any night action last night. The only two conclusions we can draw from this is that I'm town (because I couldn't possibly kill Lux) or that I'm scum and there is actually more than one left (I seriously hope this isn't true). Where do you guys fall?
As confirmed by Sorian, I just re-entered the game once the day phase started, meaning I couldn't possibly have done any night action last night. The only two conclusions we can draw from this is that I'm town (because I couldn't possibly kill Lux) or that I'm scum and there is actually more than one left (I seriously hope this isn't true). Where do you guys fall?
If there are more than one scum left, mislynching today would put us at LYLO, if we're not at LYLO already due to the apparent continued presence of the day killer (if it happens, day kill today puts us at 6, mislynch to 5, night kill to 4, lose immediately tomorrow).
We need to be absolutely certain of our vote. I'm for voting for oreomunsta today due to being the least town out of all of us, but I'm still apprehensive about it.
We need to be absolutely certain of our vote. I'm for voting for oreomunsta today due to being the least town out of all of us, but I'm still apprehensive about it.
Why are you apprehensive about that? Is there anything specific that gives you pause when thinking about lynching oreo?
I'm still going to look over things, but the case against oreo makes itself when looking at it through a simple elimination process.
- You were dead last night and couldn't put in a command.
- rac has the same role as a flipped scum.
- Ynnek7 is confirmed.
- Kawl is green-checked and pushed us to lynch Kalor.
- Fandorin has scumhunted a lot, and doesn't really have anything going against him (that I've noticed). He was also targeted by Coolest's shots that ended up getting Coolest killed.
Meanwhile, off the top of my head I yesterday I could list multiple things going against oreo:
oreo didn't commit to a single ITA shot before this very phase (and he took one first at a townie).
oreo left a vote on Splinter during the TD - it's bizarre to me that we don't know of a single scum who left a vote there for easy town cred later out of a group of 12+.
oreo then skipped three phases-worth of voting to only show back up when over half the scum team had died.
oreo has a power with negative town utility.
oreo has admitted to using his power to the detriment of town twice.
If I'm really stretching it, the only real possibilities I can see for scum are rac, Fandorin and oreo. And I feel very good about the first two.
I guess "apprehensive" wasn't the best word to use... maybe "tense" instead? It's not a matter of being apprehensive about the vote itself because I know oreomunsta is the likeliest of us to be scum, it's just that I've never dealt with a potential LYLO situation before lol. In the other games I've never lived past like Day 3. I'd very much like to end this game today to finally survive a game as town, and with a game with this many ways to kill people, accomplishing that would be even more impressive!
All that said, I have a concern about the day killer. As far as I know, the day kills happened before the first ITA phase each time, right? That always happened 12 hours after the day started.
If we wait 12 hours before hammering someone, will someone else die? I dunno if I want to test that theory, but being hasty may also be bad.
If we wait 12 hours before hammering someone, will someone else die? I dunno if I want to test that theory, but being hasty may also be bad.
It could also be that the person who was targeted for the day kill will die no matter how fast we do the vote, too.
Who did you target this Night? You did target someone right?
Are you... meta crumbing you self targeted? lol
I'm guessing you mean Kalor's target for N5.
But that was the night only Blarg died and he had already claimed quite some time ago, so I'm not sure on this.
Yeah, N5. But I don't think we have any other possibilities for the regular kill for that night. And I don't think Blarg actually claimed his role name at any point.
To be clear, I meant that there was no one else that we know of that could've blocked a shot at that point, so I don't think they could've missed their regular shot.
Weird that you're being so forthright with the impossible to verify part of your claim; all we have is your word on the limitation that you can't target while "fake dead".
I mean, I don't see much utility in that power for scum or town, you could frame it as a over the top aesthetic I guess? Which can go both ways.
Did I miss something? Why are we so sure that the day kill command was already submitted?
Well, you're right. Maybe it was better to use the factional kill on Blarg even if they had his role out since he was a hot target and could've been watched or something.
Night 3 Kill breakdown:
Anyway yeah, this Night finally makes sense. What a bloodbath.
- Gorlak - Flavor killed by Extreme Tactician
- DCPat - 1-shot killed by BladeSymphony with his Bowser's Big Blast reward
- Zippedinhead - Scum killed, probably by Kalor
- NZJubJub - 1-shot killed by LuxCommander with his Bowser's Big Blast reward
- Lone Stranger - Jailed and executed by NeckToChicken
- Ezekel and heymonkey - Day killed by scum
- Sawneeks - Scum killed via factional kill
Anyway yeah, this Night finally makes sense. What a bloodbath.
... Well, fuck. I'm glad I have you here, bro.
Because I got a strange feeling from the post below, like Polter wanted to hurry us along into lynching someone, but brushed it off as no big deal because he had no reason to do so.
But you're absolutely right that we don't know whether he can or can't send night commands while fake dead.
Wouldn't him being the only scum alive after Kalor got lynched breach the "You can use it if it'll end the game" rule, however?
Maybe it doesn't because he wasn't the last scum alive when he activated it.
Welp, so much for the easy last lynch.
Remaining Players:
I don't think there's anything more of note for me to read on oreo, so my ISO is still fresh. He's overall pretty scummy, but not as bad as Brazil makes him out I think. Most of the case is in the end based on his low activity and lurker post style.
However I really dislike that he didn't even bother to respond to my theory on his mix up on the delay on N3 that I made on his ISO. I was also looking forward for his results today since it would green or red check someone, but he didn't share that either. What's up with that?
I'll try and ISO rac and Polter tomorrow to confirm my feelings on them too. Feel pretty good about rac and only good about Polter I think. Would be really surprised if rac ended up being the last scum, he's been playing absurdly upfront the entire time. I think I wouldn't even be mad if he was last scum.
On Polter I get the feeling that he kinda showed up right now at the end. Maybe it's just me and maybe I've been sorta ignoring his earlier posts, but since last phase he started putting out a lot more content on his posts, but it's mostly filler? I don't think we've seen him actually scum hunt other players for instance. Well, I guess no one did much of that last phase besides Brazil, but still.
- rac
- Poltergust
- oreomunsta
- Fandorin
I don't think there's anything more of note for me to read on oreo, so my ISO is still fresh. He's overall pretty scummy, but not as bad as Brazil makes him out I think. Most of the case is in the end based on his low activity and lurker post style.
However I really dislike that he didn't even bother to respond to my theory on his mix up on the delay on N3 that I made on his ISO. I was also looking forward for his results today since it would green or red check someone, but he didn't share that either. What's up with that?
I'll try and ISO rac and Polter tomorrow to confirm my feelings on them too. Feel pretty good about rac and only good about Polter I think. Would be really surprised if rac ended up being the last scum, he's been playing absurdly upfront the entire time. I think I wouldn't even be mad if he was last scum.
On Polter I get the feeling that he kinda showed up right now at the end. Maybe it's just me and maybe I've been sorta ignoring his earlier posts, but since last phase he started putting out a lot more content on his posts, but it's mostly filler? I don't think we've seen him actually scum hunt other players for instance. Well, I guess no one did much of that last phase besides Brazil, but still.
Off the top of my head, I think it's worth mentioning that Polter was the one who pushed for mass claims in the last phase, despite the fact that he didn't claim himself until I pressured him about it.
We now know that scum would've had a great reason to ask for full claims even this far into the game.
(Note: Post your thoughts as soon as you have them since one of us could drop dead literally any second now.)
We now know that scum would've had a great reason to ask for full claims even this far into the game.
(Note: Post your thoughts as soon as you have them since one of us could drop dead literally any second now.)
Fuck this lol.
You're making me paranoid now. He did show up at the end only to activate his ability, without even removing his vote he had put previously on oreo.
Reminded me now that he said "no one was following" his mass claim push after you questioned it, despite EVERYONE claiming it together then.
I actually thought of this as well. I'd be patting myself in the back forever if that was actually the case.
rac
whatever
if brazil is scum kalor would've known he had a vest
Yeah... :/
No one specifically said "Yeah, let's mass claim", but everyone started claiming either way, which obviously means they accept the mass claim proposal. Bringing that up was very pedantic.
I'm still leaning towards voting oreo today, but now this is something else to look into.
Only Kawl and him hadn't claimed yet. I think he responded in a weirdly defensive way considering the circumstances.
Yeah, I realized that after posting that. That would've been a god tier play right there.
No, roll that back a bit. I think we'd be entering bastard territory if Polter "died" but could still shoot overnight, while potentially being untargetable. It'd be one thing if he simply became ascetic without anyone knowing or something, but the death message posted in the thread would escalate it into a gamerunner-sponsored lie.
I prefer to think that we won't end up facing a wall like this after literally 40+ flips went by without any bastard factors.
Ugh...
I prefer to think that we won't end up facing a wall like this after literally 40+ flips went by without any bastard factors.
Ugh...
Still, if you're really intending to go down that rabbit hole, I hope you'll at least go look into my past activity for evidence against me. We have one very suspicious player and one at least mildly suspicious player on the table right now - pointing at me just because it's physically possible for the Kalor shot to have been a gambit, with no other reasoning attached, would be very weak.
rac
whatever
just thinking about best case scenarios for scum kalor i guess
I can't even consider that at this point, and I think rac is just entertaining it too.
Well, the fake death notification is pretty weird already, but I thought of it like a 1-shot commuter that announces his use beforehand, that way no other PRs are wasted on him. Not really a bastard role.
OK, I'm going to be forward now because this conversation about how my power works shouldn't be happening.
I really don't know why we're debating whether I was able to do any night actions or not. I was dead. Sorian said I was dead, until the beginning of this day phase. That basically as close to a confirmation on a person's status that you can get in this game without actually killing them. It's, like, Word-Of-God. That's why I presented those two conclusions to something like this as being the only reasonable ones to take. Being dead, there's no way for me to have done anything.
Knowing how my role works and how everyone else's who has died, this is not a bastard game. Sorian hasn't lied to us once throughout the whole game and has no reason to single out this power of mine as something he would lie about.
Honestly, thinking about it now, the whole point of this power seems to be for this specific purpose. It's useless until endgame, but once we get down to like 1 scum left it's basically a confirmation on someone being town.
I really don't know why we're debating whether I was able to do any night actions or not. I was dead. Sorian said I was dead, until the beginning of this day phase. That basically as close to a confirmation on a person's status that you can get in this game without actually killing them. It's, like, Word-Of-God. That's why I presented those two conclusions to something like this as being the only reasonable ones to take. Being dead, there's no way for me to have done anything.
Knowing how my role works and how everyone else's who has died, this is not a bastard game. Sorian hasn't lied to us once throughout the whole game and has no reason to single out this power of mine as something he would lie about.
Honestly, thinking about it now, the whole point of this power seems to be for this specific purpose. It's useless until endgame, but once we get down to like 1 scum left it's basically a confirmation on someone being town.
You seriously deserve to win if you're scum. By the time voting for you is even a remotely feasible option it may already be too late.
If the gamerunner announces a player's death and then remarks that they have "returned to the game" in the next phase, but said player was able to send commands in the meantime... that's straight-up bastard to me.
Like I said, that is absolutely not the case. I died for one night, and I couldn't post anything anywhere.
Sorian should get flack for the ratio of scum-to-town, but the roles have been handled pretty well overall.
But your role is exactly this, the only instance in the game that Sorian did lie to us when he said that you died.
You hadn't, you just used your power. If you didn't say earlier that you'd use your role we would've thought that scum used a janitor shot or something along those lines.
And I disagree. Like I said, your role could be used as a 1-shot commute or to draw out attention to someone you're scum reading, or even to survive a lynch.
If the player is effectively dead during that time (as in: unable to send or be targeted by commands), it isn't really a lie on the gamerunner's part. It's a trick, sure, but not a bastard lie. He was removed from the game temporarily.
If he was able to send commands, however, that's a lie.
But... I did die. It's not like I could have posted anything in the thread after my death happened. I would've have been immediately (and permanently) mod-killed. Sorian didn't lie about this. Then, at the beginning of today, I was "revived", which is why I can post again.
I... didn't really consider the commute thing when I received this role. I guess it's like a public version of that, huh? >.>
As for the other two things, I wouldn't know how to use this power to give attention to someone, and using it to survive being lynched for one day is a terrible use for it if me using it would make town mislynch someone more important. Fortunately, there hasn't been a time in this game where that was something for me to even consider.
Considering this was the first time I've received a PR, I wanted to make sure I did it right. Using it yesterday when the prevailing theory was that there was only 1 scum left, I thought it would help confirm me as town in case we needed to have another day. That's the long-and-short of it.
Clearly, I guess I was too naive to think it'd be that simple. :<
Clearly, I guess I was too naive to think it'd be that simple. :<
You're right. After all, a commuter isn't able to use other commands during his shot. Well, at least they don't usually have another command so that's that.
I think that's a bit semantics, but ok. You did "die" temporally, but it was your own role in the end. Not really much of a death if you were to be revived from the outset already.
On how to use the power, I thought of it like pushing for someone you scum read a lot during the day, and then faking your death so that the rest of the game can distrust the other player for example. It's a bold use of it for sure and I don't think I could manage that as well, but it is possible.
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
I've been reading over the past couple pages to try to get an idea out of my head.
Is there any way that the last event was all scum? That would be a worst case scenario, which I'm really doubtful of just based on numbers, but we've been thinking that for a while now.
In the end, Kalor and rac got powers. Kalor took a shot at Brazil, unexpectedly hit the vest, and rac took out town Faircure. Now, they didn't know the prize would be 100% ITA at the time that they played, but givin powers to two scum would still be better than to just one, no matter what those powers ended up being.
I'm kind of town reading Poltergust just due to the nature of his power, and oreo is still pretty suspicious, too, without even being part of this theory.
I dunno, it's late here and I just wanted to put my thought out there in case we do end up getting another day kill soon.
Is there any way that the last event was all scum? That would be a worst case scenario, which I'm really doubtful of just based on numbers, but we've been thinking that for a while now.
In the end, Kalor and rac got powers. Kalor took a shot at Brazil, unexpectedly hit the vest, and rac took out town Faircure. Now, they didn't know the prize would be 100% ITA at the time that they played, but givin powers to two scum would still be better than to just one, no matter what those powers ended up being.
I'm kind of town reading Poltergust just due to the nature of his power, and oreo is still pretty suspicious, too, without even being part of this theory.
I dunno, it's late here and I just wanted to put my thought out there in case we do end up getting another day kill soon.
I intentionally threw the game because I didn't think either Kalor or rac were scum, and town being given two power-ups is better than me just receiving it. Plus, even if scum was in that team of two, I thought there was only 1 left in the game anyways, so not only was it unlikely for scum to be in the event, but at least one town would get the power regardless. It was a very easy decision to make.
I mean, yeah, if I knew that there were at least two scum still alive at the time of the event, I would have tried to win.
Hey Sorian, can you update the OP? I'm alive again lol.
(Also Kalor and LuxCommander are dead.)
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
==== DAY 7 VOTES ====
Day Start
oreomunsta (1 votes)
kawl - #8275
Post Counts:
brazil: 23 poltergust: 16 fandorin: 16 kawl: 7 rac: 7 oreomunsta: 3 ynnek7: 3 sorian: 1
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Day Start
oreomunsta (1 votes)
kawl - #8275
Post Counts:
brazil: 23 poltergust: 16 fandorin: 16 kawl: 7 rac: 7 oreomunsta: 3 ynnek7: 3 sorian: 1
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We're about 20 minutes away from what would be the time the first ITA phase of the day would happen (if it had one), which means that the day killer may strike again soon. Let's hope it's just a power that doesn't work if there are no more ITAs.
Well, 38 minutes past the hour and no one else has died yet. Good!
Oh yeah, Kalor specifically brought this up after we started talking about the Day Kill.
Not sure how to take it after his flip. I don’t think he’d share real info out of the blue, but maybe he really didn’t know whether they would continue or not without the ITAs.
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
It's even a bit more confusing to me since he was wrong about when they took place. You'd think there would have been talk about the shots in the scum thread, so he'd know they happen before the ITA phase.
It could have been that he was trying to spread a bit of confusion about them, or genuine confusion, meaning there either wasnt much discussion about who to target, or the kill has been a third party? The fact that all of the day kills have been pretty beneficial to scum makes me lean away from it being a neutral, though.
It could have been that he was trying to spread a bit of confusion about them, or genuine confusion, meaning there either wasnt much discussion about who to target, or the kill has been a third party? The fact that all of the day kills have been pretty beneficial to scum makes me lean away from it being a neutral, though.
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Morning guys! (Well, morning for me, anyway)
I've been very open with my role for a few days now, but I completely understand why I'm being scum read. If I'm to be lynched, then let's try to do this before the day killer comes by
Vote: oreomunsta
If we need me out of the picture for Town to win, then let's do this :]
I've been very open with my role for a few days now, but I completely understand why I'm being scum read. If I'm to be lynched, then let's try to do this before the day killer comes by
Vote: oreomunsta
If we need me out of the picture for Town to win, then let's do this :]
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
I'll try to also respond to everyone's Q's. If I miss something, grill me about it
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
I think this post lays out Town's path to victory here. And I like that Fandorin doesn't shy away from adding himself to the list.
As for who I delayed last night, I targeted Brazil. Not sure if this green checks him or not, though.
I'll find your theory in a sec and see if I can provide some response to it
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
What's funny about going back to this is the number of scum I threw votes/suspicion at. Rynam, Kalor, CoolestSpot, Splinter. Trusted Natiko, though, and messed up on Swamped.
I came out with my role claim based on what Blarg said at the beginning of the day phase. To me, at that moment, I thought that I had confirmed Blarg's claim through my actions, and that it would be important to let Town know that Blarg was affected by my actions. Instead, I got to learn that I actually played a part in the death of two town leaders :/
If I was scum, and with my ability, I wouldn't be out in the open stating who I delayed. That would put me in a pressured spot where I would continue to list off my targets, and potentially be challenged/verified.
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
==== DAY 7 VOTES ====
Day Start
oreomunsta (2 votes)
kawl - #8275
oreomunsta - #8284
Post Counts:
brazil: 23 poltergust: 18 fandorin: 17 oreomunsta: 8 rac: 8 kawl: 7 ynnek7: 4 sorian: 3 grizzly: 1
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Day ends in:
Majority is 4
Day Start
oreomunsta (2 votes)
kawl - #8275
oreomunsta - #8284
Post Counts:
brazil: 23 poltergust: 18 fandorin: 17 oreomunsta: 8 rac: 8 kawl: 7 ynnek7: 4 sorian: 3 grizzly: 1
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Day ends in:
Majority is 4
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Here's Rynam's flip. Don't think Day Kill would be part of it
Was starting to believe that there were no more day kills.
Brazil was the most active voice in the game as usual and oreo had just green checked him with his supposed delay on him. RIP bro, see you soon.
I don't thing we should entertain the WIFOM with the timing of the kill like oreo just pointed. We don't know when the command is supposed to be sent.
Brazil was the most active voice in the game as usual and oreo had just green checked him with his supposed delay on him. RIP bro, see you soon.
I don't thing we should entertain the WIFOM with the timing of the kill like oreo just pointed. We don't know when the command is supposed to be sent.
The first post doesn't go well with the second one, especially with that self vote. We could be in LYLO right now so putting out votes like that is really a bad look.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning for targeting Blarg. You thought his role was confirmed after you delayed him? This is your post when you reveal your role:
My issue with your claim back then was that you only appeared after the mix up between Geno and Blarg, claiming to have solved it because you had delayed Blarg at N3. You say this at D5, and you apparently get the right Night by saying N3, but you for some reason believe you delayed Geno's vest.
It's Brazil that reacts to your claim and corrects you on that.
And only then you get that you might have killed Ezekel and monkey. You reacted really negatively then, and you still express regret for what you ended up doing, but I don't think you had a single post before that directed towards either of them.
Checked my ISO on oreo and yeah, you mentioned monkey once before that in a meta fluff post.
Wait, only 3 hours away from EoD already? The activity in here is kinda depressing at this point.
At this rate we are going to default into oreo's lynch. Second guessing my doubts right now since it seems too easy? Last LyLo/MyLo I was in was pretty intense, but right now we have a suspicious as hell player that is also self voting.
If we only have one scum left that can kill two players a phase with the day kill, we still get another shot tomorrow if oreo isn't it. I thought of going for a no lynch to funnel it down even more, but that would end the game if we end up having 2 scum left.
At this rate we are going to default into oreo's lynch. Second guessing my doubts right now since it seems too easy? Last LyLo/MyLo I was in was pretty intense, but right now we have a suspicious as hell player that is also self voting.
If we only have one scum left that can kill two players a phase with the day kill, we still get another shot tomorrow if oreo isn't it. I thought of going for a no lynch to funnel it down even more, but that would end the game if we end up having 2 scum left.