Oh no. It was a false hope. The day killer lives. :<
Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
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We lose today if we mislynch and there are two scum left.
I do think oreomunsta is scum, but I'm really concerned about this day killer role. As Brazil pointed out, oreomunsta being a confirmed Delayer kinda makes it less likely for her to also be the day killer. That just seems like too powerful of a role to put onto one person.
...However, it is also possible that oreomunsta's Delayer ability is also just a one-shot one. As far as we know, the only person who actually got delayed with anything was Blarg, right? Maybe day killing is the primary ability, making oreomunsta an ITA Immune Day Killer / One-Shot Delayer, which seems like a reasonable role for scum to have.
rac
whatever
is it not possible that oreo is just lying about being a delayer?
oreomunsta himself confirmed that the only time he delayed anyone's actions was when he used his ability on Blarg. Saying that he targeted Brazil last night could be a lie.
Didn't think about that. Actually none of his delays are confirmed right now, since he targeted Blarg's vest for Ezekel, Zubz and Brazil who were vanilla either way.
Or am I confusing something here? Was that the time Blarg lied about who he gave the vest to?
rac
whatever
we have no idea
By the way, in case we need to go another day, we should turbo to prevent this day killing thing from happening again. It seems that the kills aren't scheduled at a specific time after all...?
rac
whatever
and the shot could've just hit monkey and blargs vest for zeke wouldnt have mattered
rac
whatever
who do you want to lynch tomorrow if oreo isn't scum?
I think I'll hammer the vote, but I'll wait for everyone to answer rac's question.
I want to also hear your opinion, rac.
rac
whatever
yeah i think that's the best bet too
not sure but two godfathers seems too much
and is there any situation where a stuarts and ynnek's roles would ever be opposite teams
and i think there being no kill last night clears you
We need to make sure to decide this ahead of time to potentially prevent another day killing.
Is Kawl even here?
Is Kawl even here?
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
rac
whatever
town credit i guess but yeah i dont think so, so i just figured id ask
what would be the point of rynam and i having almost identical roles but i also get a daykill?
Oh, and my ranking would be this:
fandorin >>> rac > Ynnek7 > Kawl
fandorin is the only vanilla left and the only other person such a powerful role would be justifiable.
rac is the Lone Stranger and it doesn't make sense for him to have two distinct, powerful abilities. (Side note: I think rac is neutral who turned into a Survivor upon the Lone Stranger dying. I wanna get cool points by calling this out ahead of time.)
Ynnek7 is confirmed Heartthrob and has no reason to be forthcoming with his info if he was scum.
Kawl was explicitly green-checked. Doesn't seem to be lying about his role, either.
Seeing how this is going, if either Ynnek7 or Kawl is actually scum, we've already lost lol. I just hope we don't have to go down that road.
fandorin >>> rac > Ynnek7 > Kawl
fandorin is the only vanilla left and the only other person such a powerful role would be justifiable.
rac is the Lone Stranger and it doesn't make sense for him to have two distinct, powerful abilities. (Side note: I think rac is neutral who turned into a Survivor upon the Lone Stranger dying. I wanna get cool points by calling this out ahead of time.)
Ynnek7 is confirmed Heartthrob and has no reason to be forthcoming with his info if he was scum.
Kawl was explicitly green-checked. Doesn't seem to be lying about his role, either.
Seeing how this is going, if either Ynnek7 or Kawl is actually scum, we've already lost lol. I just hope we don't have to go down that road.
rac
whatever
nope
But but but... :<
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
Fair warning for tomorrow, Im going to be at work for the first four hours of the day, so I'm not sure I'll be much use to get a majority before a day kill can go off.
And it definitely feels weird to have gotten this far without a neutral showing up, lol.
And it definitely feels weird to have gotten this far without a neutral showing up, lol.
I'm seriously surprised there aren't apparently any neutral roles in this game this big, though. Maybe balancing them against town & scum was too much?
That'll be very bad if we can't get Kawl to show up, considering we can't reach majority unless 3 people vote and I doubt fandorin would vote for himself (regardless of alignment).
You're obviously right. Why would I self vote in LyLo?
LuxCommander wasn't active, but he was killed last night because he's the only one who can potentially confirm to us who the last scum is. It was too dangerous for scum to let him keep living.
That's why oreo still being alive is even weirder. Why would they target Lux and not oreo?
...Actually, thinking about it now, we're only going to have 4 people alive tomorrow, right?
...
Turboing tomorrow would be bad then.
...
Turboing tomorrow would be bad then.
I completely forgot that someone would die in the night lol.
Oh boyyyyyyyy
That's far too dangerous.
No, if it comes down to it, we need to let someone else die via day kill tomorrow. This narrows down the suspects and stops scum snipe plays.
Once it happens, make sure to have a very lengthy discussion on who to vote for. Only commit to a vote you're sure of.
Once it happens, make sure to have a very lengthy discussion on who to vote for. Only commit to a vote you're sure of.
We've already lost if there are two scum left and oreomunsta isn't scum. If oreomunsta is the day killer, but the game isn't over yet, we have a better chance.
And if oreomunsta isn't the day killer and there is still scum left, DO NOT turbo.
...OK, I guess I'll do my vote to hammer oreomunsta now. I wanted to wait for Kawl's input, but he doesn't seem to be here.
Any objections?
Any objections?
Welp. Stealing all my glory. :<
[insert something witty here about Bishop, silence, and lol town gonna town digs]
Oreomunsta has died
The night phase will not end early because if it did, I would not be available at normal day end for the next day so with that said,
Night 7 ends in:
Night actions are due to me 1 hour before time ends.
Oreomunsta has died
The night phase will not end early because if it did, I would not be available at normal day end for the next day so with that said,
Night 7 ends in:
Night actions are due to me 1 hour before time ends.
Silence in all things.
Soon, Thanos would be a god.
He waited and he watched.
No one has died
Remaining Players:
Majority is 3
Day 8 ends in:
DAY 8 BEGINS
Soon, Thanos would be a god.
He waited and he watched.
No one has died
Remaining Players:
- rac replaced
Ferg (he/him; EDT) NEW? - Ynnek (he/him; EST)
- Poltergust (he/him; EST)
- Kawl (he/him; CDT)
- Fandorin replaced
Xbro (he/him; UTC-6)
Majority is 3
Day 8 ends in:
DAY 8 BEGINS
I can't believe this game is not over yet.
Also... scum shot Kawl? Why? We all knew he had BP. Seems like a waste.
Also... scum shot Kawl? Why? We all knew he had BP. Seems like a waste.
I was expecting either me, rac, or Ynnek7 to die this night, with scum, Kawl, and one other being in the final 3 once the day kill happens.
...Oh, I get it now. Leaving 5 people alive keeps the possibility of there being two scum left, making my death earlier have less meaning as to what my alignment is (because I couldn't have shot Lux).
It makes sense; scum will still win if we mislynch today.
It makes sense; scum will still win if we mislynch today.
I'm still dumbfounded that oreomunsta wasn't scum. He played sooooo badly for being town-aligned.
One more thought in addition to this: it makes us guessing who scum is less likely. A LYLO with 4 players is preferable for scum than a LYLO with 3 players.
I think that doesn't make sense? If there are 2 scum alive they could have ended the game with oreo's mislynch + night kill and a day kill this phase.
...Thinking some more about it now, there absolutely has to be only one scum left. A play like this would make no sense if there were two, because they would have already won today by killing someone last night (I highly doubt town has any more Vigilante-like roles).
Yeah, sorry, I overthought there. I seriously did not expect for there to be no deaths last night.
Man, this makes things so much more complicated. I had a flowchart in my head on who I'd go for for today based on who died in the night and who gets day killed. Scum basically tossed all that planning out the window. :<
I really did not expect oreo to flip town. He had so many inconsistencies during his play and his low activity really cemented him as scum at the end. The fact that he didn't even show up during the ITA shootouts with Kalor and rac, the mix up with the targets, then a self vote in a maybe Mylo situation...
Last scum still needs to day kill someone this phase, so we can at least parse that kill for more information before deciding on the lynch.
Oh man, what if Kawl is (somehow, despite being green-checked) the last scum and shot himself?
Can scum even do that? <_>
Can scum even do that? <_>
That... is not necessarily true. Since we know as of yesterday these day kills aren't scheduled, scum could just not kill anyone today, then just immediately end the game going into tomorrow by killing someone before anyone has a chance to vote.
In fact, I bet that's their current plan. It gives them the best chance at success by making town decide between 5 people.
Lol but why would he do that? He could just abstain from the kill at that point.
So with a mislynch here we would go 3/1, scum would kill someone at night and then day kill someone else for a 1/1. You're right, hadn't thought about that... getting Kawl's BP out cleared the way for that as well.
Yeah, it's too silly to think of Kawl being scum. Between his ITA shots (especially his one at Kalor at Day 6, which would bring the scum team down to 1 if it hit and severely decelerate their kill potential) and his green-check, there's just no reason for anyone to vote for him.
I finally read Rynam's flip and it's a really different role from what we've seen from rac's Lone Stranger.
@rac your role name is Town NPC Creator?
@rac your role name is Town NPC Creator?
...You know, it's not entirely impossible for Ynnek7 to be the last scum. He could give us true information about the Heartthrob role for townie points and still be scum.
The only issue here is that being both the Heartthrob and the day killer seems like too much power for one role, but it could be something similar to a Vigilante-Cop. I think it's also important to note that Stuart, the Secret Admirer, died from a day kill shortly after he revealed his role to us. This was likely to prevent Ynnek7 from revealing more information to town, but it could also have been done to prevent Ynnek7 from revealing more information about himself. After all, he'd be pressured to constantly reveal information that would benefit town. Eventually, he may have to lie about something if it went on long enough just to slow town down, and then he'd be lynched/ITA'd immediately after that.
I need to review how this whole Heartthrob thing started, just to make sure I'm covering my bases here.
The only issue here is that being both the Heartthrob and the day killer seems like too much power for one role, but it could be something similar to a Vigilante-Cop. I think it's also important to note that Stuart, the Secret Admirer, died from a day kill shortly after he revealed his role to us. This was likely to prevent Ynnek7 from revealing more information to town, but it could also have been done to prevent Ynnek7 from revealing more information about himself. After all, he'd be pressured to constantly reveal information that would benefit town. Eventually, he may have to lie about something if it went on long enough just to slow town down, and then he'd be lynched/ITA'd immediately after that.
I need to review how this whole Heartthrob thing started, just to make sure I'm covering my bases here.
One more thing bothers me about Ynnek7: why was Gorlak killed over him? Gorlak was only a vanilla townie (so killing him was not exactly a priority) and everyone believed that Ynnek7 was absolutely town.
Going through that Heartthrob claim and the fallout during it, I think there's too much resistance from scum for it to be a ruse. Include was saying she switched with someone and CoolestSpot tried to cast doubt on Ynnek7 by ISO'ing him. Skimming through all of that, it doesn't seem artificial or anything.
Include's ability also seems too important to sacrifice just for townie points. Ynnek7 could just have not said anything at all.
I really don't see myself voting for Ynnek7 at this point.
Include's ability also seems too important to sacrifice just for townie points. Ynnek7 could just have not said anything at all.
I really don't see myself voting for Ynnek7 at this point.
Hey rac, can you explain why you and the Lone Stranger voted for two separate people Day 3? Isn't that a waste of your power?
Remaining players with their claims:
What are the chances that the single most powerful scum power role is the last one to survive till the end? We already flipped Kalor and his role was a really powerful Vigilante modification that had a really specific limitation of only working on a claimed player, not comparable at all to a role that apparently has infinite day shots.
I skimmed all deaths and with all the flipped players and me, the total tally of town vanilla players is 10. Considering the scale of the game and how many power roles both sides have, that's a really small number.
The flips:
- rac - Confirmed by NeckToChicken to be the Lone Stranger controller.
- Ynnek - Heartthrob confirmed by Stuart's link and red check with Include.
- Poltergust - 1-shot death faker confirmed in thread.
- Kawl - green checked and 50% ITA shooter, 3/5 shots have hit.
- Fandorin - Vanilla claim.
What are the chances that the single most powerful scum power role is the last one to survive till the end? We already flipped Kalor and his role was a really powerful Vigilante modification that had a really specific limitation of only working on a claimed player, not comparable at all to a role that apparently has infinite day shots.
I skimmed all deaths and with all the flipped players and me, the total tally of town vanilla players is 10. Considering the scale of the game and how many power roles both sides have, that's a really small number.
The flips:
Gamora wanted silence.
Most of the other heroes were reeling from the loss of the War Machine. Some felt betrayed that he had been working against them. Others were shocked and saddened by the loss of a friend. Gamora had no such bond with the man, but their pain was plain to see. And it hadn’t taken long for that pain to turn into hypocrisy.
“Thanos was the one who killed him!”
An increasingly common sentiment among the group. And an increasingly disgusting one to Gamora. Make no mistake, there was little love lost between Gamora and her father. But Thanos had merely pulled the trigger. The ones who'd put Rhodes in his weakened state? That was all them. And yet the justifications continued to pile on.
And so Gamora wanted silence.
Sadly, the absurdly large number of heroes present made silence quite unlikely. And so it was that Gamora turned to her last resort: a so-called “mixtape” lent to her by Quill. And so it was that, lost in the music, she wandered away from the group. And so it was that she ended up somewhere she should not have been, distracted by music that she should not have been listening to. Had it not been for the music, she might have noticed a set of voices. Familiar voices.
But not even the music could dull the sensation of a blade finding its mark. Struggling to keep herself standing, Gamora turned to face her assailant.
“What… the hell?”
“Close. I think you mean…. What the Hecht?”
And so Gamora had at last achieved the silence she had so longed for.
Hecht has died
Meanwhile, Cable knew that the best way to fix this situation was to prevent it from happening. He had noticed that Thor and Spider-Man still appeared to be in their right minds and the extra help would be appreciated. Together, the three of them traveled back days before the cosmic cube had been completed. Their plan was to stop Richards by any means necessary.
Unfortunately, a special surprise was waiting for them outside of the lab. Thanos had sensed the change coming in the timeline and using the power of the cube, he was able to pull and control other versions of Thor, Spider-Man, and Cable from alternate timelines to meet them outside of the lab.
“Hey! You shouldn’t be here!”
In the next room, Reed heard the muffled fighting and shouts of pain but the mind control was already total and absolute. No one would be coming to save the heroes and no one would stop the cube from being completed.
CrimsonFist, empressdona, and Faddy have died
ITAs will begin today
Every player will have one public command shot that they can make throughout the course of today. These shots can only be done during designated times. Below are three counters to the designated times. Please note that these counters are rough estimates but the ITA phase will begin within an hour of the timers ending. Once a phase begins, it will last for a half hour. During which time anyone may take a shot as long as they have not already tried shooting once today.
DAY 2 BEGINS
One more question, rac: why did you wait until Day 3 to activate your power?
(I know you subbed in at some point, but I have no idea when.)
(I know you subbed in at some point, but I have no idea when.)
Ynnek spontaneously claimed and was really upfront about it, before Stuart talked him into it or others pressured him. And you're right, I remember skimming that huge post from Coolest on Ynnek and I can't believe that would be a scummy gambit play from both of them. I mean, that post was probably the most effort Coolest put into this entire game.
Despite being a confirmed townie, Ynnek was very absent along the game, so targeting town leaders and active voices in the thread make bigger sense. I don't remember people scum reading Gorlak when he died either.
rac
whatever
I completely disagree. Mafia had multiple roles that allowed them to kill many people each day/night cycle. In addition to Kalor's ability, Splinter had a free extra kill for 3/4 days, and ET can get an extra kill every 2 days. A day killer in addition to that is not out of the ordinary.
And who knows? There may be a limitation or condition associated with these day kills as well. I'm going out to eat but I want to review each one of these day kills when I get back to this thread later. Maybe there's a clue as to why these people were targeted.