Game Thread Grand Mini Mafia V - Game Thread

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Carl (4 votes)
Trevor - #360
TommyV - #361
Huang - #372
Roman - #597

TommyV (2 votes)
Niko - #441
Carl - #486

Catalina (2 votes)
Asuka - #427
Claude - #511

Huang (0 votes)
Franklin - #458 #463

Claude (0 votes)
Catalina - #500 #594

Trevor (0 votes)
Niko - #376 #441

Not voting: Franklin, Catalina

Post Counts:
Trevor: 47 Catalina: 32 Carl: 25 Claude: 24 TommyV: 24 Niko: 23 Franklin: 20 Asuka: 20 Roman: 15 Huang: 8

Current Countdown:
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Carl going for that 100% defense build.

Towniest Town > Roman, Trevor, Tommy > Niko > Franklin >= Huang > Asuka ??? Claude > Carl > Cosa Nostra.

Three closest to Sicily for me today.
 
Après moi, le déluge

The way I feel in the game is starting to slip into my real life, but I won't ask for a replacement. I'd rather town get what's coming to them.

So I'm gonna claim: I'm the Godfather.

And here's the only read list you'll need for after I flip:

Trevor: Huge scum
Niko: Huge scum
Catalina: Huge scum
Claude: Huge scum
TommyV: Huge scum
Asuka: Huge scum
Franklin: Huge scum
Roman: Huge scum
Huang: Huge scum

Hammer away!
 
i cant even remember the last Mafia game i played that was normal.

it think it was nice but i just dont know anymore, its been so long.

so long.
 
This bit threw me off a lot at the time, as it seemed like less encouraging me "be an independent actor", and more telling me to shut up and vote for Ken despite lacking some fairly important context.
But given that voting for Ken was the right call i have no idea how to feel about this, me voting there didn't really change anything either way so the encouragement was pretty moot.

It was more that I hare people showing up last minute asking someone else to recap for them so I wanted you to do it yourself.

hey asuka hows that for the disciplined scum team

Fair, as I’ve already said, Tommy is likely scum then.

VOTE: Carl

:hammertime:
 
Actually not even hammer time, why’d you all say he was 1 away? Majority is 6 and I’m the fifth vote.

Terrible
 
As everyone continues their arguments, many of them looked towards Tommy and Carl.

"Are you two the scum shitlords?" shouted Trevor

"...* Claude points his bat towards Tommy.

"Let's just take them both out" said Asuka

Tommy came forward towards Claude and Asuka, daring them to try anything but before they could

"Oh man, fuck you all. I'm sick of the lot of you" came a frustrated voice in the form of Carl.

I'm outta here. Going to head back to the hood, Grove Street.

And just as Carl started to walk away... BOOM.

Cataline shot Carl in the back of the head "Small time gangster got what was coming to him"

Carl has died

Welcome, Carl! You're a Cop!

Abilities:
  • Each night phase, you may investigate one player in the game by PM'ing the mod. You will get results back in the form of Town, Antitown or No Result.
Win Condition:
  • You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Since this is a costume game, the game will take place in Outer Mafia using unique costume accounts in this thread. We’ve made it so only these accounts can post in the game threads, but just in case, be careful to only use this account when participating in the game. Here’s your login information:

Username: Carl
Password: grovestreet4life


Please confirm reception and also let us know if you would like to modify your pronoun preference given the info above.

Good luck and have fun!
 
<FLAVOR COMING SOON YOUR GAMERUNNER IS BUSY>

Asuka has died!
Welcome, Asuka! You're a Doctor!

Abilities:
  • Each night phase, you may protect one player in the game from one nightkill.
Win Condition:
  • You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
Since this is a costume game, the game will take place in Outer Mafia using unique costume accounts in this thread. We’ve made it so only these accounts can post in the game threads, but just in case, be careful to only use this account when participating in the game. Here’s your login information:

Username: Asuka
Password: cantevencomeupwithajokerightnow


Please confirm reception and also let us know if you would like to modify your pronoun preference given the info above.

Good luck and have fun!

Niko has died!
Welcome, Niko! You're a Vanilla Townie!

Abilities:
  • Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.
Win Condition:
  • You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
Since this is a costume game, the game will take place in Outer Mafia using unique costume accounts in this thread. We’ve made it so only these accounts can post in the game threads, but just in case, be careful to only use this account when participating in the game. Here’s your login information:

Username: Niko
Password: somethingaboutbowlingIguess


Please confirm reception and also let us know if you would like to modify your pronoun preference given the info above.

Good luck and have fun!

DAY 3 BEGINS

The day will end in:
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Man, why the hell did Carl do that. Really unnecessary.

Also there is definitely a serial killer in this game apparently.
 
Majority is four so I'll keep my vote for later. That said, fairly sure Catalina has to be Mafia or the SK. Probably went for Niko and the other faction killed Asuka which makes her look bad, and she's already trying to salvage it.
 
A little mad at myself. I didn't realize once we hit majority that the day ended. I was sitting there thinking about unvoting Carl. All logic pointed to him, but he was arguing so adamantly that I was second-guessing. Only problem is I wouldn't have known where to switch my vote to. I'm going to go back to my previous list....

Town:
Huang
Asuka
Catalina
Claude

That leaves...

Possible Scum:
Trevor
Roman
Franklin

I'm still convinced neither of you two are scum, Catalina and Claude. I'm sticking with that belief at this point.
 
Quick thoughts on my way home from work.

I couldn’t find any good breadcrumb for Carl so I kinda think he didn’t get anything useful n1? I can explain why in more detail later, but please tell me I’m wrong cause that really fucking sucks. Can’t believe how that day ended and he didn’t even claim.

Neither Asuka nor Nico were in the running yesterday, so now I’m less sure about vig vs SK. I think Asuka was more town read than nico.

Losing a full doc is crappy, but townie doesn’t hurt as much.
 
Huh, looked through the setup on MafiaWiki again, there can be. Then we might not be completely fucked yet after all.
I thought we couldn’t have a 1 shot whatever without also having a full version of it, for all town roles, but I’m gonna check again cause we have a lot more info now.
 
I thought we couldn’t have a 1 shot whatever without also having a full version of it, for all town roles, but I’m gonna check again cause we have a lot more info now.
The C9++ page on MafiaWiki lists the following combinations:
Vigilante Roles
V = 1-Shot Vigilante

VV = Vigilante

VVV = Vigilante, 1-Shot Vigilante

VVVV = 2 Vigilantes

VVVVV = 2 Vigilantes, 1-Shot Vigilante
 
And sk still isn’t ruled out if there were any double up kills or blocks, or protections. Bleh I wish I was at my computer.
 
Claude, why did you shoot Ken and not me?
I had a scum read on you (and still have) but it was mostly because of what I thought about how you're playing, there was not a one instance of you saying something weird on D1.

Ken was #2 in votes on D1 so that's where I could easily get more info by killing him and I had a weird argument with him shortly before Day End. So I chose him.
 
I call mass claim. This is likely endgame.

I will be the last to claim. I have a reason for that.
I'm up for a mass claim, especially if people are only looking at c9++ now the earlier the better

I currently buy Cloud's claim, but I think the mass claim is needed to see if it fits with the set up possibilities (I'm looking forward to bringing out the maths)

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With Lance and Asuka being targeted that puts the spotlight on Trevor, do we think he's been framed?

Other suspicions are Roman and Catalina but my reads list has been way off base, so I'm a bit down about the whole thing
 
It has to be Trevor or Roman. I'm trying to go back and find a way to solidify my belief in either. Franklin is a possibility still, but with how he is talking in here...thinking less likely.

I call mass claim. This is likely endgame.

I will be the last to claim. I have a reason for that.
My claim will not be helpful at all. I'm a vanilla townie. Nothing special, unfortunately.
 
And before I forget, this better be a believable claim or this will look extremely shady in hindsight.

YAWN. This is endgame. Threats are meaningless.

[He/Him] Franklin - ???
[He/Him] Roman - ???
[He/Him] Trevor - ???
[He/Him] Huang - ???
[He/Him] TommyV - Vanilla
[She/Her] Catalina - ???
[He/Him] Claude - 1-shot Vigilante

More.
 
And you specifically being so eager to collect claims doesn't make it better, even if it may be needed at this stage.
 
Wondering where the SK kill went on N1 then. I can't imagine them targeting Ken too, he was a good lynch candidate for D2. So they coincidentally also targeted Lance like the mafia did?
 
Wondering where the SK kill went on N1 then. I can't imagine them targeting Ken too, he was a good lynch candidate for D2. So they coincidentally also targeted Lance like the mafia did?

We murdered Ken day 1, so you have to be right that SK targeted Lance that night also.

Firstly why are you assuming scum were the one who hit Lance, nothing suggests that to be the case

Other possibilities include
A) either party hitting the doctors target (so we should check to see if Asoka bread crumbed who they healed)
B) The SK can choose to be 1-shot BP so scum might have hit them and they survived
C) The SK didn't attack N1, hoping to hide their existence
D) Cloud is the SK and killed Ken (least likely as it would make more sense to not attack N2 if he wanted to hide behind a vig claim)
 
Wait...the votes and night moves are already blurring. I need to write this all out:

Day 1:
Town kills Michael
Night kills Ken and Lance

Day 2:
Town kills Carl
Night kills Asuka and Niko
 
Firstly why are you assuming scum were the one who hit Lance, nothing suggests that to be the case

Other possibilities include
A) either party hitting the doctors target (so we should check to see if Asoka bread crumbed who they healed)
B) The SK can choose to be 1-shot BP so scum might have hit them and they survived
C) The SK didn't attack N1, hoping to hide their existence
D) Cloud is the SK and killed Ken (least likely as it would make more sense to not attack N2 if he wanted to hide behind a vig claim)
I completely forgot about our cop and the possible BP for a second there, you're right.
 
The phrase "Mini" Mafia seems to make me automatically assume that things like vig shots and BP are rare in my head. I need to read the setup more in-depth next time. I forgot about most of it after the first reading through.
 
Roman and Trevor both had weak reasons for voting the way they did Day 1:

Trevor votes Michael: "Still unsure on Ken, but he's expanded on some of his thoughts here, and I think he's got a better hold on this game than Michael who seems like he's possibly faking it here. "

Roman votes Ken: "Eh, why not."

Roman expanded on his reason when I poked him. I never did poke Trevor though. And re-reading now, I'm thinking, "What the crap? Ken expanded on NONE of his thoughts!" Not in a good way anywho. Just flapping his arms around like a chicken with it's head cut off. Someone check me on this and please tell me if I'm missing Ken out-reasoning/posting Michael in way that makes this flip make sense, based on Trevor's own logic?
 
Ok, I'm actually back home at my computer now.

I call mass claim. This is likely endgame.

I will be the last to claim. I have a reason for that.

Agree, cause from my understandiong of C9, we could be in mylo right now. I'm vanilla townie.

Claude, why did you shoot Ken and not me?

Vig should always kill a suspect from D1. It makes D2 so much better to deal with.

Wondering where the SK kill went on N1 then. I can't imagine them targeting Ken too, he was a good lynch candidate for D2. So they coincidentally also targeted Lance like the mafia did?

There's a RB action unaccounted for, as well as two nights of doc activity, and that's a side from good ole double targeting of kills. Plus long shot of SK with bp.

We murdered Ken day 1, so you have to be right that SK targeted Lance that night also.

I don't see how that follows?

Firstly why are you assuming scum were the one who hit Lance, nothing suggests that to be the case

Other possibilities include
A) either party hitting the doctors target (so we should check to see if Asoka bread crumbed who they healed)
B) The SK can choose to be 1-shot BP so scum might have hit them and they survived
C) The SK didn't attack N1, hoping to hide their existence
D) Cloud is the SK and killed Ken (least likely as it would make more sense to not attack N2 if he wanted to hide behind a vig claim)

Yup

Fuck. SK means killing the SK is the best move.

Eh? It feels like killing scum is still better than SK. SK might hit scum. Scum absolutely won't. SK hunting is a good way to appear town for the scum.

Speaking of, I didn't notice before, but the scum RB guarantees a team of 3 scum right? I've been thinking there was a chance we only had 2.

Has anyone had any luck parsing bread crumbs from Asuka or Carl yet?
 
Jesus i wasnt expecting 2 nks 2 nights in a row in a game this size, and now your telling me it coukd have been more?

I dont math so imma just have to follow yall on the potential game setups.

Im alright with a general mass claim, it doesnt look like we could have many town PRs left to protect anyway,
but i will preference that with continuing to dislike pretty much everything catalina is putting down, this feels more like her trying to setup a gambit than anything.
 
So looking at the Wiki, we had 7 X town roles that got randomized. We for sure have a D(asuka) and CC(carl) with a claimed V(claude) who we have no reason to doubt in particular right now. That leaves 3 X left. We also have a 3 scum team. Assuming no SK, that leaves 3 normal unrolled vanilla townies, and three randomized vanilla townies. If there is a SK, subtract one unrolled vanilla. And we know there is either a SK, or a VVV, so there's fuckery afoot already.
 
So looking at the Wiki, we had 7 X town roles that got randomized. We for sure have a D(asuka) and CC(carl) with a claimed V(claude) who we have no reason to doubt in particular right now. That leaves 3 X left. We also have a 3 scum team. Assuming no SK, that leaves 3 normal unrolled vanilla townies, and three randomized vanilla townies. If there is a SK, subtract one unrolled vanilla. And we know there is either a SK, or a VVV, so there's fuckery afoot already.

Claude is possibly the SK.
 
A serial killer really throws me off. I'm still confident Huang, Catalina, and Claude are not scum, but never considered SK.

What do we have here so far:

Franklin - ???
Roman - ???
Trevor - ???
Michael - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Huang - Vanilla
Niko - Vanilla (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla (Confirmed)

Catalina - ???
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Ken - Scum Roleblocker (Confirmed)
 
A serial killer really throws me off. I'm still confident Huang, Catalina, and Claude are not scum, but never considered SK.

What do we have here so far:

Franklin - ???
Roman - ???
Trevor - ???
Michael - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Huang - Vanilla
Niko - Vanilla (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla (Confirmed)

Catalina - ???
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Ken - Scum Roleblocker (Confirmed)

I’m vanilla townie, think you missed my claim in my big post.
 
And Ken would have likely been a lynch candidate on D2, so your point is?

Town towns. Kill is a certainty. Town is filled with fucking idiots. In addition, SK could hope to mask their shot with any possible vigi shots at that particular scenario.
 
I’m vanilla townie, think you missed my claim in my big post.
Thank ya:

Franklin - Vanilla
Roman - ???
Trevor - ???
Michael - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Huang - Vanilla
Niko - Vanilla (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Catalina - ???
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Ken - Mafia Roleblocker (Confirmed)
 
Niko Left a Will behind:

These dark streets are unforgiving. As I sat and watched Carl self immolate, a sickness boiled within me. This wasn't the way to save the city. This wasn't the way to be a hero. He was a cop after all. A good guy. He wanted to find the killer, same as the rest of us. And he could have given us the information we desperately needed.

I left the table, in deep thought. If Carl wasn't the killer, then who? Who?! And what could he have been trying to tell us?! I let out a cry of fury and kicked a stone into the gutter. I went into the nearest convenience store, bought a pack of cigs and some booze, and began to drink myself into a stuppor. I wasn't ready for this. This wasn't the life I'd chosen for myself. I wanted a life filled with women and money, but all I had was death. Bob the clerk didn't even ask about the blood over my jacket. The blood of Carl. The blood of an ally.


"So there you are Niko." Came a voice from behind me. I turned.

I didn't even see the shooter's face. My vision was blinded by a flash, and I hit the cold, hard pavement. A dark silhouette walked away. "
A pity we could never see eye to eye." The voice said. I couldn't even tell if it were male or female. White noise filled my head, and a piercing headache grew.

So this was the end. I'd always known it, in a way. They said that life flashed before your eyes as you died. They said that there was going to be a tunnel. But all I saw were the moonlit skyscrapers, towering into the heavens. A monument to man's desire to build a new world for themselves. A better world. A world that I wouldn't get to be a part of.

Maybe my kid would. I wouldn't get to see that though. There were going to be a lot of things I wouldn't get to see. I had Ariana Grande tickets in my drawer back home. I was going to give it to Lil' Niko on his birthday. That was going to be tomorrow. Now, nobody would find them. Nobody would be seeing the pop goddess. Life was cruel sometimes. I was a year sober today. I broke my record. I guess it didn't matter. Nobody would find out. I was still a sucsess story. A sucsess story covered in blood and gore.

But I could still write something with my own blood, though. I cupped it in my hands, and wrote something down on the gritty pavement. It was hard to find a place that wasn't already covered by my innards. I wrote the first letter. It was a struggle. "S". Then a C. ...Then an R. Then an E. Then a W. I shuffled forward, making space for the next word. Y... O... ....I couldn't move any more, and the newly pooling blood had erased my delicate work.


"Hey dude, are you okay?" Came a voice. It was some kid. Oh no. The voice was familiar.

"L...Lil' Niko?" My voice croaked.

"Oh no! Oh no! Someone, get an ambulance!" My child screamed. "Dad? Dad! D-Dad!"

I cracked a smile.

At least I wouldn't die alone.
 
This is going to end in a thunderdome unless something crazy happens in the last claims.

Feel bad for whoever is replacing Trevor.

Btw, to former Trevor player, hope everything is okay!
 
My hat is off to Niko for that one, bravo sir.

Im a 1 shot Doctor, or i was, used my shot last night protecting Trevor.
 
Town towns. Kill is a certainty. Town is filled with fucking idiots. In addition, SK could hope to mask their shot with any possible vigi shots at that particular scenario.
Claiming as a SK is risky. And town usually at least gets some lynches right, especially with PRs like a cop being a possibility. So killing people who aren't focused on so you can't get a read on the SK from their death is way safer. May coincidentally hit scum too.
 
So that’s a d and cc confirmed, with a v and d claiming. I think we have too many vanilla townies now, but my notes are on my pc which I can’t use during a power outage.

If he’s telling the truth, it still doesn’t explain n1 weirdness if we had another vig(more and more unlikely), or a SK.
 
Thank you.

MMCCD?? and thus we have a lie. I am a Mason with Trevor. The suggested comp of MMCCDDV with SK is impossible, as 0T has no SK. Yet we have additional kills.
 
Welp! We EITHER have a liar in our midsts as of our counts so far, or if there is a serial killer, it means the serial killer came from the mafia pool, meaning we only have 2 scum+1 SK instead of 3 Mafia+1 SK. I keep refreshing the Mini Mafia Generator and it happens.

Franklin - Vanilla
Roman - 1-Shot Doctor
Trevor - Mason
Michael - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Huang - Vanilla
Niko - Vanilla (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla (Confirmed)

Catalina - Mason
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Ken - Mafia Roleblocker (Confirmed)
 
Just to show I'm not BS'ing. From the generator, I just rolled and:

Resulting Role Distribution:
8 Vanilla Townies
1 Doctor
1 1-Shot Vigilante
1 Mafia Goon
1 Godfather
1 Serial Killer

So, we could potentially have 2 mafia only.
 
Welp! We EITHER have a liar in our midsts as of our counts so far, or if there is a serial killer, it means the serial killer came from the mafia pool, meaning we only have 2 scum+1 SK instead of 3 Mafia+1 SK. I keep refreshing the Mini Mafia Generator and it happens.

Franklin - Vanilla
Roman - 1-Shot Doctor
Trevor - Mason
Michael - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Huang - Vanilla
Niko - Vanilla (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla (Confirmed)

Catalina - Mason
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Ken - Mafia Roleblocker (Confirmed)

SK from scum is impossible. We have 3 scum for certain, and possibly a SK as well.
 
Just to show I'm not BS'ing. From the generator, I just rolled and:

Resulting Role Distribution:
8 Vanilla Townies
1 Doctor
1 1-Shot Vigilante
1 Mafia Goon
1 Godfather
1 Serial Killer

So, we could potentially have 2 mafia only.
Roll it with a scum Roleblocker. You’re missing a piece here.
 
Look back at interactions with me and Trevor. From my side, there is very little, I think there is like a single post on D1 where I town read him. Trevor on the other hand generally town read me a lot, especially on D2 when he, almost alone IIRC, defended me in multiple posts. Some of my perceived arrogance and whatnot can be attributed to my role, I knew that at any point I could claim rather reliably if the push came to shove. Finally there is this:

I would like to hear more from Catalina though as I do agree that she seemed to be pretty Townie there in her one appearance so far, but with nothing to follow up on I haven't really been able to Confirm that feeling at all.

The capitalized words form: Catalina Townie Confirm.
 
Roll it with a scum Roleblocker. You’re missing a piece here.
It won't let me choose the roles, but scum roleblocker is included as a possibility as well. It seems like there a chance that the SK pulls from either the Townies or Mafia, leaving one either 9 when there is a SK or the other with 2. More times than not, it is still 3 Mafia. Just open that tool and keep refreshing to see what I'm looking at, which is the generator used for this game.

https://vote.fireblend.com/mafiagen/
 
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