Gossip Thread MGS Mafia |Gossip| Night 4
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So he was telling the truth. I still think his play as town was poor though so not going to blame anyone that's town that voted for him.
I invited you again to see if you had more info, I was going to do HP then changed to Faddy then when I saw the list changed back to you as I think that's pretty safe.
Last night I had FateShirou in here
I won't be around until later tonight though but I think I'd take out Leo from his list, and I'd look at Nin who kept hinting his role had something to do with voting.
I invited you again to see if you had more info, I was going to do HP then changed to Faddy then when I saw the list changed back to you as I think that's pretty safe.
Last night I had FateShirou in here
I won't be around until later tonight though but I think I'd take out Leo from his list, and I'd look at Nin who kept hinting his role had something to do with voting.
I'm a bit disappointed he was hammered an hour early (was cooking dinner)
He was asking about frequencies ages ago, so I wanted to make a defense for him.
The good news is his list is accurate and we know at least one scum is on there.
Nin looks terrible. He keeps soft claiming he's vanilla despite being under no pressure and even of its true it just puts the rest of us with good roles under more pressure. Its frustrating though because its poor scum play too. So its not a smoking gun or anything but irs annoying. He's also just completely faded after a poor d1.
If monkey isn't dead im going to start feeling a bit suspicious there. She is super strong town and really should be getting night killed by now, I've actually found her Leo push a little off, I've followed her on it because I've kind of been trusting her but she just seems to be being unreasonable towards Leo a little bit which is giving me pause.
He was asking about frequencies ages ago, so I wanted to make a defense for him.
The good news is his list is accurate and we know at least one scum is on there.
Nin looks terrible. He keeps soft claiming he's vanilla despite being under no pressure and even of its true it just puts the rest of us with good roles under more pressure. Its frustrating though because its poor scum play too. So its not a smoking gun or anything but irs annoying. He's also just completely faded after a poor d1.
If monkey isn't dead im going to start feeling a bit suspicious there. She is super strong town and really should be getting night killed by now, I've actually found her Leo push a little off, I've followed her on it because I've kind of been trusting her but she just seems to be being unreasonable towards Leo a little bit which is giving me pause.
It might be paranoia at us voting out back to back townies but I'm unsure if monkey's frustration is genuine or performance
Do you know Ephi and Fates claimed roles? Are they worth protecting tonight?
I was originally going to protect monkey but I'm not sure anymore. I can also protect myself.
Sparks, Nin and Faddy are the three that stand out to me
From those on his list.
Just reading Zeke's post back to see if he gave a number of scum on him but only says that there are scum on him, so could be more than one.
Faddy - no role info
Sparks - claimed town tracker
Nin - no role info but doing that hint stuff
Leo - claimed Fox Die remover
HP - lover pair, character is Meryl
Zem - Colonel Campbell Town Gossip
I fully expect people to ask us to claim tomorrow and I'm good with my role as it's provable that I'm telling the truth. Some might question if it's town but I think my posts are fine and I can back it up.
Leo I'm ok with and don't want to take the risk anyway.
HP has the bomb (or so he says) so that reduces what team he could be on, I've mostly town read him and think the zipped / HP stuff was genuine yesterday and it's probably two paranoid townies.
Sparks - A tracker claim feels quite dangerous if scum. The only way I think he's scum is if scum get both fake character and unused role abilities as part of their role PM.
Which leaves Faddy and Nin. The way Faddy was so sure of Zeke made me think he must have done something like red checked him or something so I had a feeling he could be the cop but now it's just a mess of tunneling. Would scum be this obvious?
Nin - I dunno where to start with Nin. That whole role hint stuff was terrible. He's constantly been arguing with Stan. He's said a lot but been quite messy. He said his power involved voting but so did Zeke's so I'm really interested in what he says tomorrow. Probably my number 1 suspect right now but I'm open to it being any of the others but not Leo I think.
Faddy - no role info
Sparks - claimed town tracker
Nin - no role info but doing that hint stuff
Leo - claimed Fox Die remover
HP - lover pair, character is Meryl
Zem - Colonel Campbell Town Gossip
I fully expect people to ask us to claim tomorrow and I'm good with my role as it's provable that I'm telling the truth. Some might question if it's town but I think my posts are fine and I can back it up.
Leo I'm ok with and don't want to take the risk anyway.
HP has the bomb (or so he says) so that reduces what team he could be on, I've mostly town read him and think the zipped / HP stuff was genuine yesterday and it's probably two paranoid townies.
Sparks - A tracker claim feels quite dangerous if scum. The only way I think he's scum is if scum get both fake character and unused role abilities as part of their role PM.
Which leaves Faddy and Nin. The way Faddy was so sure of Zeke made me think he must have done something like red checked him or something so I had a feeling he could be the cop but now it's just a mess of tunneling. Would scum be this obvious?
Nin - I dunno where to start with Nin. That whole role hint stuff was terrible. He's constantly been arguing with Stan. He's said a lot but been quite messy. He said his power involved voting but so did Zeke's so I'm really interested in what he says tomorrow. Probably my number 1 suspect right now but I'm open to it being any of the others but not Leo I think.
I think you're right to be wary of Monkey. But also need to be careful because scum keeping her alive is exactly for that reason, so she gets voted out by a paranoid town. I do also feel like Hawthorn may have saved her when she said she did when we had no kill.
There's so much weird stuff going on with this game, no bomb or fox die, Jman dying randomly on day 2 still hasn't been accounted for either.
There's so much weird stuff going on with this game, no bomb or fox die, Jman dying randomly on day 2 still hasn't been accounted for either.
Yeah and maol might have died protecting her n3 for all we know if she is sunny or whatever the role was.
I think if Nin is scum then so is Stan. I think that whole thing between them is to distance themselves if one of them flips.
I have another power i can use currently and it could be potentially very good
I want to share but obviously there is a chance you're scum. I don't really think you are but there is a chance. Its definitely something that would be better if I could share it though.
Would you share your info first?
There was one vote late on which caught my eye
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Sky's vote on Kalor. It was done in such a way where Kalor was never in trouble and this feels like distancing. I'm tunneling a bit on those two but as the player list gets smaller these two feel more and more connected.
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Nope I cant. But idk if that is the only frequency i can use. That was just the first one to work. I tried like 30. When I pinged blarg in the thread? That is the reason why. lol Did you try these? 140.96: Otacon-SAVE 140.85: Colonel 140.96: Rosemary 140.25: Peter Stillman 141.80: Pliskin...
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Sky's vote on Kalor. It was done in such a way where Kalor was never in trouble and this feels like distancing. I'm tunneling a bit on those two but as the player list gets smaller these two feel more and more connected.
I think it's fine too. Fate is Sunny. The kill on night three was aimed at Maol as Maol only had a bulletproof if Sunny was targeted. I'm confident in saying that Fate is 100% town, his ability is quite weak as it's only useful in a very specific way and only if he doesn't role claim first.
I have a psycho mantis power available atm, I can ask the game runner a question. I can't directly reference other players, but j was thinking of asking something like..
How many scum were on the second most voted train today.
People on that, me, Ephi, Stan, Neki and zipped. There is part of me thst thinks we could all be town so if the answer came back 0 thst would he great, it would give us 6 confirmed non scum, plus if you add in you and fate, that would leave us in a strong spot.
But obviously if the answe comes back 1 it muddles things a little.
Its why I kind of want to leave the zeke train alone with so many votes on it, any data would be hard to narrow down.
How many scum were on the second most voted train today.
People on that, me, Ephi, Stan, Neki and zipped. There is part of me thst thinks we could all be town so if the answer came back 0 thst would he great, it would give us 6 confirmed non scum, plus if you add in you and fate, that would leave us in a strong spot.
But obviously if the answe comes back 1 it muddles things a little.
Its why I kind of want to leave the zeke train alone with so many votes on it, any data would be hard to narrow down.
Oh shit! What would be the best question?
How many scum on the second train? - this would ignore any potential neutrals I think?
How many town are on the second vote? - if you don't get an answer of 5 then there will be scum or neutrals mixed in.
Neki is someone who if I did a list of players now would probably go from town to null, Stan and Zipped are definitely worth knowing about. Ephi I'm quite confident is town based on her posts night one in here and then her posts in the thread, absent quite a bit but makes good posts when she does.
How many scum on the second train? - this would ignore any potential neutrals I think?
How many town are on the second vote? - if you don't get an answer of 5 then there will be scum or neutrals mixed in.
Neki is someone who if I did a list of players now would probably go from town to null, Stan and Zipped are definitely worth knowing about. Ephi I'm quite confident is town based on her posts night one in here and then her posts in the thread, absent quite a bit but makes good posts when she does.
If you use that and we both survive tonight, I could invite you again tomorrow to get the info and then you can use me to put it out in public whilst you stay hidden. If they end up killing me at night because they think I'm more powerful than I am then that's a good result for us.
I think specifying how many scum makes more sense? Neutrals are not great but they aren't scum.
I could ask how many scum are left in the game but that seems kind of limited.
I imagine there were six total scum, two teams of three.
I could ask how many scum are left in the game but that seems kind of limited.
I imagine there were six total scum, two teams of three.
The thing with the Leo votes as well is, if you're scum and you know Zeke and Leo aren't on your team and aren't likely on the other team, you'd rather vote out Leo wouldn't you? Since the ability was a one time action Zeke was effectively vanilla with no abilities, whereas Leo (if his role is true) can hurt scum quite a bit.
Neki and Zippeds votes were after Leo's reveal and were not great
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Neki and Zippeds votes were after Leo's reveal and were not great
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I think they are fine and ATP is way off the mark in saying you aren't digging. No. Those reads are what everyone had been saying for ages. Fate repeating then eod doesn't do much for me.
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I think they are fine and ATP is way off the mark in saying you aren't digging. No. Those reads are what everyone had been saying for ages. Fate repeating then eod doesn't do much for me.
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How is this wording?
How many scum had active votes on the second leading vote getter at end of day 4?
How many scum had active votes on the second leading vote getter at end of day 4?
Do you think there is a cop or some kind of alignment checker? Chuggs being a godfather suggests there would be, but I would have thought they would have come out with red checks by now
I would think there's a cop but maybe there isn't an explicit one and it's like a small part of another players role or something. They've only had 3 checks, 4 after tonight though, so even if they have one red check they might wait for a second.
So apparently the question was to specific, so back to the drawing board
He said he could accept a variation of the question I asked just not how it was phrased there. Msybe I could ask was there scum. The how many is to specific, perhaps?
I'm hesitant to ask that question now though because I'm not sure how a yes answer helps us to much. It could result in 3 dead townies before we actually hit scum.
I'm trying to think of a question that will narrow things down more
I'm trying to think of a question that will narrow things down more
"Is there scum in the list of players that have less than 163 posts?" 
(why's that smiley so big)
I'll be surprised if Natiko gives us something that will narrow it down more, we can try but I think he'll say too specific. A yes / no answer gives us info but we still need to look into it and figure it out, which I think he'll be OK with.
(why's that smiley so big)I'll be surprised if Natiko gives us something that will narrow it down more, we can try but I think he'll say too specific. A yes / no answer gives us info but we still need to look into it and figure it out, which I think he'll be OK with.
I was thinking something like since d2, have I voted for any members of the scum team..
Thst would include:
Leo
Vere
Kalor
Fanto
I have also asked natiko for clarification on whether it has to be yes or no
Thst would include:
Leo
Vere
Kalor
Fanto
I have also asked natiko for clarification on whether it has to be yes or no
Oh clever, I like that question!
Whilst waiting for that, what do you think I should say if the people on Zeke are asked to role reveal, which I feel will happen since most already have on the list Zeke left. I'm completely fine saying my role and night targets, I just wonder if I leave out tonights target so
Colonel Campbell Town Gossip
N1- ephi
N2 - ATP
N3 - Fate
N4 - ???
or just say I invited you again for N4? I think I just say I invited you night four because I town read you, my original targets were HP (because he's Meryl and Campbell's daughter, I was thinking there might be some bonus when inviting him) and then Faddy because I thought he might be the cop with his push on Zeke, but when they were on Zeke's list I decided to go back to someone I town read.
Whilst waiting for that, what do you think I should say if the people on Zeke are asked to role reveal, which I feel will happen since most already have on the list Zeke left. I'm completely fine saying my role and night targets, I just wonder if I leave out tonights target so
Colonel Campbell Town Gossip
N1- ephi
N2 - ATP
N3 - Fate
N4 - ???
or just say I invited you again for N4? I think I just say I invited you night four because I town read you, my original targets were HP (because he's Meryl and Campbell's daughter, I was thinking there might be some bonus when inviting him) and then Faddy because I thought he might be the cop with his push on Zeke, but when they were on Zeke's list I decided to go back to someone I town read.
Yeah I think that's fine. I'm happy substantiate the claim
I can also just save this power for another time.
Yeah still waiting to hear back, obviously time difference doesn't help lol
So looks like I can't use lists of any kind.
So has to be something like how many scum are still alive or are there two scum teams etc.
So has to be something like how many scum are still alive or are there two scum teams etc.
So Nat has said lists aren't completely out.. so maybe I can ask if I've voted for scum since the start of d3.
What do you think is more useful, knowing for certain the number of scum we are dealing with or finding out if there is scum among Vere, Kalor, Leo and Fanto?
Alternatively I could just claim this power openly on d5 and we workshop as a group the best question to ask
What do you think is more useful, knowing for certain the number of scum we are dealing with or finding out if there is scum among Vere, Kalor, Leo and Fanto?
Alternatively I could just claim this power openly on d5 and we workshop as a group the best question to ask
I think the latter is best, if there isn't scum in those 4 then I dunno what to think. I would keep the power secret for now, I think you're quite a powerful role and tomorrow will be dominated by Zeke's list, so I think keeping you hidden as long as possible is the best way to go.
I think the idea play is for you to ask the question tonight, stay hidden tomorrow, use protection on yourself tomorrow night if you still have that. I can then invite you again and see what the answer was to your question and then I can take it to the thread if need be.
If you ever need to "prove" yourself that you gave me the info in case you ever get into trouble in the thread, then you can post this gif and direct it at Fate and Ephi as I've used this for both of them too
I think the idea play is for you to ask the question tonight, stay hidden tomorrow, use protection on yourself tomorrow night if you still have that. I can then invite you again and see what the answer was to your question and then I can take it to the thread if need be.
If you ever need to "prove" yourself that you gave me the info in case you ever get into trouble in the thread, then you can post this gif and direct it at Fate and Ephi as I've used this for both of them too
Although I guess if I do need to role reveal tomorrow that won't matter haha
I'm really curious about Faddy and Nin's role, but especially Nin's. He's been really hinting it has to do with votes, but it can't be a simple "his votes count double" because the day ended on majority and he was on Zeke. Maybe he can do something like Zeke could as he was telling people to vote on day one and was really pushing that.
I'm really curious about Faddy and Nin's role, but especially Nin's. He's been really hinting it has to do with votes, but it can't be a simple "his votes count double" because the day ended on majority and he was on Zeke. Maybe he can do something like Zeke could as he was telling people to vote on day one and was really pushing that.
Could be, I dunno how well that claim would go down though. Day one he kept pushing people to post, then day three he posted that "go vote" picture when he asked if people wanted to know his role, and then again hinted at it at the end of the day. Would be weird to do all that if just a vanilla.
The Vere claim is still the one I least trust even though I think Kalor has been more scummy.
The Vere claim is still the one I least trust even though I think Kalor has been more scummy.
In case I die tonight, I used my psycho mantis ability, I asked:
Have I voted for scum since the start of d3.
The answer was Yes.
People I have voted for in that time:
Verelios - ?
Kenny - Town
Fanto - ?
Kalor - ?
Hawthorn - Town
Leo - ?
Zeke - Town
So at least one of Vere, Fanto, Kalor and Leo are scum.
Interestingly three of them have claimed.
Vere - Sleepwalking Mason
Kalor - Self watcher
Leo - Foxdie doctor
Fanto - ?
Leo is consistent on both my list and Zeke's.. also his claims all are based around stuff that is related to the patriots, his foxdie poison claim and his power claim.
For the record I roleblocked Verelios night 2.
There were no night kills, and seemingly no bombs planted unless HP is lying about his claim.
So Zeke's list:
Faddy
Sparks
Nin
HP
Leo
My list:
Vere
Kalor
Leo
Fanto
We really need Leo resolved, in theory there could be 1 scum between all those names and its his. Or you get rid of him and we know there is 2 scum among the remaining 7 names.
Have I voted for scum since the start of d3.
The answer was Yes.
People I have voted for in that time:
Verelios - ?
Kenny - Town
Fanto - ?
Kalor - ?
Hawthorn - Town
Leo - ?
Zeke - Town
So at least one of Vere, Fanto, Kalor and Leo are scum.
Interestingly three of them have claimed.
Vere - Sleepwalking Mason
Kalor - Self watcher
Leo - Foxdie doctor
Fanto - ?
Leo is consistent on both my list and Zeke's.. also his claims all are based around stuff that is related to the patriots, his foxdie poison claim and his power claim.
For the record I roleblocked Verelios night 2.
There were no night kills, and seemingly no bombs planted unless HP is lying about his claim.
So Zeke's list:
Faddy
Sparks
Nin
HP
Leo
My list:
Vere
Kalor
Leo
Fanto
We really need Leo resolved, in theory there could be 1 scum between all those names and its his. Or you get rid of him and we know there is 2 scum among the remaining 7 names.
Oh really nice info!
In case I die -
Fanto is Sunny and can prove it in the thread by having Natiko come in and post his alignment, he can only do this once though. The plan was to keep it hidden as long as possible and then if he starts getting votes there's a good chance there'll be scum on him, then he uses his ability. So if I die and he claims anything else or you really start suspecting him, ask him to use his ability.
In case I die -
Fanto is Sunny and can prove it in the thread by having Natiko come in and post his alignment, he can only do this once though. The plan was to keep it hidden as long as possible and then if he starts getting votes there's a good chance there'll be scum on him, then he uses his ability. So if I die and he claims anything else or you really start suspecting him, ask him to use his ability.
I think I'll hold onto my info when day starts and just see what comes about from people looking into zekes list
yeah as long as we both know the info I think we're ok to hold onto it for now, tomorrow will all be about Zeke's list. So far there haven't been two kills at night so it should be safe until one of us dies. Let's keep an eye on those people though in the meantime.