Gossip Thread MGS Mafia |GOSSIP| Night 8
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So Vere was actually scum then huh. With the old tailor themselves trick and having to use his instant kill before he dies. The only thing I can't work out is the Aeleus role, but maybe the Monkey thing with him using a Monkey mask or something from MGS3?
Yep
Faddy kept bringing up a tailor, so did Vere today which is a massive stretch from Monkeys big post to that. Maybe it's not a tailor role specifically but something to do with his role, like Decoy Octopus that makes him look like a monkey.
He was roleblocked night 2. Dr Monkey was saved or roleblocked by Hawthorn night 2 so a small chance that was it, and also why Dr Monkey needs to be voted out tomorrow.
Zipped and HP dying like that suggests he has a one time instant kill like LP had and had to use it before dying.
If it is Monkey then yeah probably. Kopite also asked me why Monkey must be voted out tomorrow.
Neki
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I mean I think we can agree regardless of if Vere was tailored, we vote out Monkey to dispel any doubts. If monkey flips town then maybe vere was tailored but I have a strong feeling Monkey is gonna flip scum. There's no way we can let Monkey into the final group of people at this rate.
What would have killed Faddy then? I don't think this makes sense with what we know right now. I think Fanto just cast it on herself, there's really no reason not to cast that on yourself for the free kill if you think you'll eventually get caught, and Fanto was under a bit of suspicion.
Neki
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My only problem with Fanto putting it on herself is how the deaths played out. Faddy died first and then Fanto got turbo'd. Today, Vere got turbo'd then HP died along with Zipped. Doesn't the order of operations make sense for a vote bomb to have been on Fanto rather than Veres? That's how I read it at least.
Faddy died - > Fanto voted off - > Night begins
Vere voted off + HP died + Zipped died - > Night begins
Did you think Fanto was under a lot of suspicion the day before? All the heat was on Kalor/LP because their claims were in direct conflict.
If you need to sleep I'll be around still. Vere gave me a timeline of the worst case scenario if we voted wrong and we still have two days of misvotes before we lose so I still think monkey is 100% the safe shot here.
Faddy died - > Fanto voted off - > Night begins
Vere voted off + HP died + Zipped died - > Night begins
Did you think Fanto was under a lot of suspicion the day before? All the heat was on Kalor/LP because their claims were in direct conflict.
If you need to sleep I'll be around still. Vere gave me a timeline of the worst case scenario if we voted wrong and we still have two days of misvotes before we lose so I still think monkey is 100% the safe shot here.
Neki
Bought a book once
I just think it makes too much sense after the Sparks flip that Monkey figured she was the next target so she decided to take down Veres because hewas still suspicious from everyone prodding him. The people who doubted the double town mason claim the most was certainly Monkey + Ephi
Yeah agree Monkey would have had to talk her way out of trouble today but it's definitely possible if she could have turned it on Zipped again.
The only other explanation is there's something that messes with checks, but that's not something you test by keeping Monkey in.
The only other explanation is there's something that messes with checks, but that's not something you test by keeping Monkey in.
Neki
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I mean let's assume Monkey doesn't pull this gambit, who is most suspicious after a Sparks town flip?
Me and Vere were going to push for Monkey today because her green checks were very safe. I'm not sure who else was getting questioned at the time. Zipped because he thought I was godfather. Ephi was very low presence the past week, Fate is confirmed town, Reki's post have been pretty good and HP is a non-factor who was tied to Zipped. Kopite is the only other person I would have went after and Monkey was defending Kopite's play as being typical Kopite but I don't think that's a strong enough defense.
Me and Vere were going to push for Monkey today because her green checks were very safe. I'm not sure who else was getting questioned at the time. Zipped because he thought I was godfather. Ephi was very low presence the past week, Fate is confirmed town, Reki's post have been pretty good and HP is a non-factor who was tied to Zipped. Kopite is the only other person I would have went after and Monkey was defending Kopite's play as being typical Kopite but I don't think that's a strong enough defense.
I did a thing last night with Shirou where I listed pros/cons for being scum/town for the rest of the players and all players had like 2 lines. Then Monkeys had about 10 lines of why she was scum lol. So yeah if Vere and yourself are actually town then I don't think she would have survived. The good thing is the lovers are sorted out, I think that actually helps us even though it's an extra player down.
Monkey -
- got targeted night two for a kill but they never went back
- - Or got roleblock by Hawthorn?
- Scum didn't go back for the kill even though we've speculated they have a role cop and she'd almost certainly be a target
- - Only players with limited shot abilities have been scum so far
- The call out on Chuggs is either an insane read or based off some info we don't know (role copped him night one?)
- - Didn't expect Chuggs to open wolf and call out the second team, thought going all in on one scum would buy town points, by the time second scum team was found we'll have moved on?
- Natiko "doesn't like cops" but has two in one game in some way? Three if you believe scum has one as well. I wonder if Monkey thought Sparks had just messed up or misunderstood the alignment thing
- - Two Patriots called her out as potential scum and they were correct on Faddy
- Too many posts to have the energy to search for links / dodginess, classic scum tactics!
- Two abilities (Zeke and ATP) to also narrow down scum, lots of investigative roles on top of a cop?
- I wonder if Monkey moved off Sparks the last couple of days because she was worried the alignment thing might be true so doesn't want him flipping.
Pros -
- Did help us catch Chuggs, which may have also been helpful to their team if scum
- - Votes and hunting seem fine but since Faddy was caught by mistake and no other Foxhound has turned up, we could be being lead down some paths by her
- got targeted night two for a kill but they never went back
- - Or got roleblock by Hawthorn?
- Scum didn't go back for the kill even though we've speculated they have a role cop and she'd almost certainly be a target
- - Only players with limited shot abilities have been scum so far
- The call out on Chuggs is either an insane read or based off some info we don't know (role copped him night one?)
- - Didn't expect Chuggs to open wolf and call out the second team, thought going all in on one scum would buy town points, by the time second scum team was found we'll have moved on?
- Natiko "doesn't like cops" but has two in one game in some way? Three if you believe scum has one as well. I wonder if Monkey thought Sparks had just messed up or misunderstood the alignment thing
- - Two Patriots called her out as potential scum and they were correct on Faddy
- Too many posts to have the energy to search for links / dodginess, classic scum tactics!
- Two abilities (Zeke and ATP) to also narrow down scum, lots of investigative roles on top of a cop?
- I wonder if Monkey moved off Sparks the last couple of days because she was worried the alignment thing might be true so doesn't want him flipping.
Pros -
- Did help us catch Chuggs, which may have also been helpful to their team if scum
- - Votes and hunting seem fine but since Faddy was caught by mistake and no other Foxhound has turned up, we could be being lead down some paths by her
Neki
Bought a book once
I mean if I had to guess, FOXHOUND is going to kill either you or Fate tomorrow. Ephi/Reki/Kalor/Kopite are all question marks in regards of alignment and it'd be easy to kill off one of you two. For me, most likely scum at this point is
Fate > Zem > Kalor > Reki > Ephi > Kopite > Monkey in terms of increasing scumminess
Fate > Zem > Kalor > Reki > Ephi > Kopite > Monkey in terms of increasing scumminess
Not that it matters because she's definitely getting voted out but I think you've won me around to Vere not being tailored and Monkey being scum. Plus it would mean I was right about something.
Incoming someone can mess with checks role on scum and both were town.
Incoming someone can mess with checks role on scum and both were town.
This brings me back to my paranoid post about Faddy not caring about my fake lie detector and I said that's because Ephi may have told him it was a lie, but Monkey was like "nope that's just Faddy", so scrap what I said earlier, if Monkey flips scum we might need to go for Ephi.
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Neki
Bought a book once
I genuinely hope you don't die because I'm afraid that I will not be able to convince town to vote off Monkey because I'm not sure how strong they're going to feel about it. Like this screams scum but I know Monkey/some other people are gonna try it play it off as tailored so who knows.
Even if the Vere flip came back as Liquid Snake of Foxhound, Monkey would still need to be voted out.
It's definitely between me and FateShirou tonight who dies, he's confirmed so might be him. You can use my posts in here, when I flip it will be obvious they're actually from me. Hopefully that'll help, but I think town will agree Monkey needs to go.
I hope Natiko is ready for another quick day phase
It's definitely between me and FateShirou tonight who dies, he's confirmed so might be him. You can use my posts in here, when I flip it will be obvious they're actually from me. Hopefully that'll help, but I think town will agree Monkey needs to go.
I hope Natiko is ready for another quick day phase
Neki
Bought a book once
How do you feel about Kopite? I know I feel like I'm tunneling but his whole play style just screams passive scum. Monkey deflecting it by saying that's how Kopite plays but only gave me any strong reads after I called him out. Maybe I'm just tunneling but Monkey/Kopite interactions have been minimal and you think Monkey would call him out more.
3/3 makes sense with the extra kills they're getting. Obviously Aeleus was meant to kill two town from the looks of it and make us confused too with them being hidden. Then Feign could have shot town, the Patriots giving up on their bombs / foxdie which could have been lethal.
I could see it as pocketing by Monkey on him, or making him look scummy if she ever flips as scum. I would go Ephi -> Kopite if Monkey flips scum, but maybe someone will have a decent argument for someone else.
Neki
Bought a book once
So someone dies tomorrow, we have 7.
If we vote out incorrectly for the rest of the days:
Day 9:
5 town, 2 scum -> vote out one scum (Monkey)
5 town 1 scum
Day 10:
4 town 1 scum -> vote out town
3 town 1 scum -
Day 11:
2 town 1 scum -> vote out one town
we lose
If Ephi is town (and not lying about her claim):
Day 9:
5 town, 2 scum -> vote out one scum (Monkey)
5 town 1 scum
Day 10:
4 town 1 scum -> vote out Ephi (claim works, confirmed town?)
4 town 1 scum
Day 11:
3 town 1 scum - can either choose to skip vote or vote here because town only has one more day of votes
I think you're right, voting out Ephi is basically getting us the same result if she isn't lying about her claim. So we should always vote her if Monkey is scum. I know there is the role where you can't get voted out until final five so it seems like the perfect time to test it?
If we vote out incorrectly for the rest of the days:
Day 9:
5 town, 2 scum -> vote out one scum (Monkey)
5 town 1 scum
Day 10:
4 town 1 scum -> vote out town
3 town 1 scum -
Day 11:
2 town 1 scum -> vote out one town
we lose
If Ephi is town (and not lying about her claim):
Day 9:
5 town, 2 scum -> vote out one scum (Monkey)
5 town 1 scum
Day 10:
4 town 1 scum -> vote out Ephi (claim works, confirmed town?)
4 town 1 scum
Day 11:
3 town 1 scum - can either choose to skip vote or vote here because town only has one more day of votes
I think you're right, voting out Ephi is basically getting us the same result if she isn't lying about her claim. So we should always vote her if Monkey is scum. I know there is the role where you can't get voted out until final five so it seems like the perfect time to test it?
Neki
Bought a book once
well scum are just gonna shoot Ephi the next day after we confirm her unless they think they can pocket her but it's good clear regardless. If Ephi is town and we lay it out like that, she should have no problems getting voted out. Only a scum wouldn't want to test it out.
Yeah I really wish he did.
I'm hoping monkey is scum because I think it'll be easier to find some links, we already have Ephi and Kopite.
When I read her big post again though I start to get doubts, but it doesn't really matter, have to make sure she gets voted out regardless.
I'm hoping monkey is scum because I think it'll be easier to find some links, we already have Ephi and Kopite.
When I read her big post again though I start to get doubts, but it doesn't really matter, have to make sure she gets voted out regardless.
Nope not at all, same with Sparks being voted out.
As for Ephi, I was thinking of her posts last night and they really are pro town, but if Monkey flips scum then it's a possibility. I think voting her is good just to see her reaction as well, if she starts to push back then that could be a sign she's scum. If she's town she won't die but will at least mean we narrow scum down without losing someone, and we also test someone we think could be scum, I think that's OK. We get two chances to catch scum if we believe the teams are 3/3.
Next day starts 6-2 or 7-1
Monkey gets voted out 6-1 (I think we have to assume one of them is scum, potential someone messes with checks but not worth contemplating)
Night phase means 5-1
Ephi gets voted out either game over or 5-1 still
Night phase means 4-1
let's say we vote out town it's now 3-1
Night phase makes it 2-1
Last day phase
I think the timing of it, we still have some leeway in voting out town, means going for the red check first was fine. Monkey has to be voted out regardless and I will not hear a word against it tomorrow if I'm still alive!
Either way Monkey gotta go. Then it's down to probably you, Kalor, Kopite, Reki/Leo, Ephi.
I think we can try to wait and see if anyone suggests Monkey isn't voted out next, but from that list, if Monkey is town I'd probably go Reki -> Kopite / Kalor. Kopite a tricky one since he would have had a green check. Also still put pressure on Ephi to be voted out and see her reaction.
I think we can try to wait and see if anyone suggests Monkey isn't voted out next, but from that list, if Monkey is town I'd probably go Reki -> Kopite / Kalor. Kopite a tricky one since he would have had a green check. Also still put pressure on Ephi to be voted out and see her reaction.
Neki
Bought a book once
If we had any power roles left or one extra player we would have way more wiggle room. We basically have to be right on Monkey now and then we need to hit right on either Ephi or Kopite. Do you think there is a world where Reki or Kalor clips be scum? I'm assuming monkey flips mafia in this scenario.
Reki or Kalor could be scum if Monkey is scum. Yesterday Kalor was talking about not voting her today but that was before Vere's flip so let's see what he says now.
If Monkey flips scum then we need to look at votes and stuff, see if there's any obvious connections.
If she flips town then we need to look at Vere. I did something where I listed all the players that voted for him or was calling him out to try and find scum and I've lost that now as I didn't save it, but I remember the three possible people who hadn't votes for Vere or hadn't called him scummy was you, Stan and Kopite.
If Monkey flips scum then we need to look at votes and stuff, see if there's any obvious connections.
If she flips town then we need to look at Vere. I did something where I listed all the players that voted for him or was calling him out to try and find scum and I've lost that now as I didn't save it, but I remember the three possible people who hadn't votes for Vere or hadn't called him scummy was you, Stan and Kopite.
Yep. I have no idea how Monkey plays usually so I dunno if she'd have more control over her scum mates to stop them posting stuff like that but who knows.
I've been really busy with work, should be free a bit later but yeah it's basically seeing which way she flips at this point before looking into things.
I'm really curious what others are going to say though about the Vere flip, see if anyone tries to defend Monkey
I'm really curious what others are going to say though about the Vere flip, see if anyone tries to defend Monkey
Neki
Bought a book once
Nat just felt bad for us, gave us divine intervention. Hopefully they just kill me Zem and you can carry the rest of us to victory. When I was talking to Vere before the Fanto flip, I had Chuggs/LP/Fanto on one team and Faddy/Kopite/Monkey on the other scum team. I wonder if it's going to end up being right because I need some sort of small morale victory here lol.
Neki
Bought a book once
Yeah I had the same thought, turobing right away is dumb. We need to evaluate and get everyone's opinion. Prod some people to see how they react to the Vere flip and Monkey possibly being scum. If you're still alive next day phase, you can bring up the vote off Ephi plan too. I wouldn't mention it today because scum would just kill her so we can't do it.
I especially want to hear Kopite and Recki's thoughts. I think it's between those two the most. Going to be hard if it's anyone else. If Monkey flips scum I think you can rule out Kalor. If Monkey flips town then it's probably still between those two tbh lol