Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

[San Franpsycho]

I'm gonna go backread Alien.

 

[Cat Creature]

I mean, we have an arsonist in the game, there's nothing wrong with neutral hunting seeing as there are quite a few people alive that are in danger of just being out of the game any day now. And it wasn't like I was digging deep to look for it, Lightning made some posts taunting town about that being the last day possible to take him out and then self-voted for himself. It seemed like a cocky neutral play, which I could see an arsonist doing if they thought they had won

If you find that suspicious, that's fine I guess, but don't let anyone set up any flip chains as that's just never a good idea

Ok, so what about the vote movement around Char, Lightning just being kind of a ??? Scum read to have on top in general, and Gnome's placement on that list? I think those are valid concerns about your alignment.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Ok, so what about the vote movement around Char, Lightning just being kind of a ??? Scum read to have on top in general, and Gnome's placement on that list? I think those are valid concerns about your alignment.

I'm not sure what the issue with Gnome is, he was bottom 5 on my reads list

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Ok, so what about the vote movement around Char, Lightning just being kind of a ??? Scum read to have on top in general, and Gnome's placement on that list? I think those are valid concerns about your alignment.

Also, I guess I should ask, are you at all concerned about the arsonist in the game?

 

[Cat Creature]

Updated read list from before would make this my current PoE:
Kook
Alien
Woodsman
Char


Char flipping Scum, which I do think he will, makes Kook look worse imo. Woods looks a bit worse if Char flips Neutral/Town. Alien is just there.

If I haven't made it obvious, I would like the Char flip today the most I think. Don't feel the need to vote there though since it's got 6 out of 9 needed for majority.

I will vote for Alien meow though because he is hard coasting and has earned it lol.

Vote: Alien

 

[Cat Creature]

Also, I guess I should ask, are you at all concerned about the arsonist in the game?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about it. I told everyone I was doused, if we have a Firefighter then hopefully they got me, if we don't, then I await my fate I suppose. If Char is the Arsonist, that's great, if not, I might be one day closer to going up in flames, we'll see.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

*emotional pleas, not please.

How you expect ppl to not know who you are this way XD

When is natural day end? I’m gonna be away part of today because it’s nice out for once and I am gonna hecking enjoy it.

 

[Cat Creature]

When is natural day end? I’m gonna be away part of today because it’s nice out for once and I am gonna hecking enjoy it.

Not for another 26 hours or so.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I already said I was dropping my cosplay. :P

 

[Cat Creature]

I'll probably head out for now as well. I'll check in again tonight though.

 

[Baba Yaga]

I am drunk.
I have seen the beautiful town of Quedlinburg today. World cultural heritage. Would I want to live there? Maybe, I don't know? Would you?

 

[Baba Yaga]

The discussion between sans and cat seems honest. Sans posts/frustration seem sincere.
I am aware that I don't fully grasp the issue here, because there seems to be some underlying problems which my brain synapses won't allow me to understand. But I feel like I am part of the problem.
I am sorry for using the wrong pronouns.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

I already said I was dropping my cosplay. :P

I’m not ready to drop mine.

hey fanto, ambulance was town.

I have no interest in un-town-reading masons, i am not scared of sans or cat, and i town read uh, someone else. i’ll work on remembering fake fake names later, but i’m out for now.

 

[Alien]

Also, I was going to say this at day start, but I was feeling too shitty. Not 100% today but at least I don't feel like I'm dying.

Anyway, I'm dropping my cosplay. I was really hoping to come in here and just NOT BE ME for a game, but I forgot to change my pronouns, which kinda ruins it. My cosplay was actually pretty good - I will talk about what I did postgame - but pronouns fucked me since there are only a handful of us who play regularly and no matter what I did after that someone was going to just assume me regardless. But god it would have been nice to not have to fight over my personhood and identity for fucking once. Oh well. Maybe next costume game.

I feel like this is partially (maybe totally) my fault for prodding at who you are the other day and I just wanna apologise.

 

[Baba Yaga]

I miss telling turmoil about Chinese taxi drivers. But whenever we do play together he subs out :( feels like I'm having that effect on people.

But hey at least my buddy Geno loves playing with me and getting lynched, right friend?

Right? ;(

 

[Snow Creature]

Well... I didn't do the reread I said I would. I ended up reading Char and going through any connections to Gnome which took far too long for my liking. I've put a lot of my thoughts below; it's a lot of stuff, mostly anything that comes into my head, so read as much as you want.

I'll start with Char. I'll have to do another massive one for Gnome as I have a lot of other nonsense thoughts.

Spoiler: Char

Ugh, I still don't know about Char. TL;DR I'm heavily leaning scum and just want this question mark answered. I see everyone's concerns but I'm really not sure.

You might have noticed me questioning Char as I reread through them; I think all those points are valid. These are some extra points I want to add to supplement Stan's argument for why it might be Char. These points stand out to me as very anti town.

So let's start with names. Early on, Char was against the idea, even saying someone might have a power involving it. I assume it's involving theirs in some way, even if it isn't the one they claimed earlier.

Jman you really think there's no point in keeping your identity a secret? There's a reason we're hiding, what if scum has roles that have to guess the players behind the mask? You gotta think man.

Later on, they take umbridge with being outed, but are more than happy in D4 to out other people. Char's reasoning was they needed receipts. Fair enough, still scummy.

I know who you are, but I'm not going to out you like you did with me, what a dumb move, even if half of the roster knows who I am, why out me like that? Anyway Town Geno isn't lazy? Look how much I played in the last game, town Geno doesn't claim last minute neither as scum nor town, I challenge you to provide an example as scum where I have done that. Scum Geno always gives out reads. Town Geno also throws shit at the wall, check Bumble King or Berserk or probably others I'm forgetting. You're dead wrong on your guess.

My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.

It also looks here like they're fishing for names. If Char is being straight up (which is unlikely as other people have pointed out why), then it's suspicious that they try to find out someone's.

I'm horrible at identifying people, but who do you think is Candybeard? I think it starts with S, yes or no?

This is without getting into the whole not guessing JMan thing covered earlier which I still think is weird. If you've got a night action, surely you'd look at all your options first. I don't necessarily buy that Lightning just stuck as JMan in their head.

This next point was covered the other day, but worth revisiting as it was odd behaviour then and it still stands out to me now. Wax was their only read up to and including D2. When pressed, they had nothing else to give. There's also some "scum wouldn't do that" which is a non point as scum can and will do anything. It comes up a lot with Char.

Nothing sticks out other than Wax.

I mean why would scum lie about that? Scum would make up some reads and give them to you, I've been busy and haven't reread to make reads I'm confident in, like I can tell you I think the whole Boo Beard thing is dumb to me and I won't vote there, but I'm not basing it on much.

They also set themselves up to continue on the Wax train. This is all before the mason reveal, at which point the topic is dropped and never picked up again.

If Wax isn't voted on today I'll keep going tomorrow, if he's not voted out tomorrow either then I'll maybe try to look elsewhere. Everyone here knows though that it's someone we need to vote at one point or another. I think ripping the bandaid off early is our best bet, especially because I think there's scum there.

Snack saw something very similar.

was looking earlier, Char had set up the switch to Wax earlier. reasoning is not very strong (seems to be "RP is wasting time" mostly) but also reads like he feels he needs to justify every action.

This is another one that sticks out. Something I've been wary of in the last day or two is people weaponising sympathy. After Boo and Skunk's frustrated outbursts, I started to worry that somebody would do it on purpose to hide themselves. Char says pretty much the same thing.

It's a slight scum lean of mine, only because I've started being annoyed with people using the line "I'm frustrated" in order for us to leave them alone for a bit, it's gotten to a point where I just think some of them are faking it at this point.

Char's recent ones in particular have sit really bad with me. If this is Geno, and having seen this literally happen in the last game, I can get the frustration. But it's just so OTT. They even shade Snack a bit for a trash play, which doesn't sound like grateful town.

Like seriously you believe the theory that N1 gossip was Ghost Bear, of all people he could've used it on, like just kill me man. Or, occams razor, I was n1 target, because if TP did it on me with the intent to out me he would've killed me, he clearly town read me, I claimed to him, and I have what, 6 votes on me already? Everyone just believed it right? Just because Snack's bullshit worked let's see if Stan's does too. Get it over with.

I am amazed how town can find new ways to throw games every time, town deserves to lose every single fucking game in this community, Snacks was beyond lucky with that shit, what sane person even tries that? It's not like Gnome claimed vanilla. Like even if it worked it was a trash play.

Does this sound like frustrated town? It's too much to me and makes me buy it even less.

Individually, this could all be town, but together, it's easy to see why people are on Char. They're overly angry, inconsistent, and hardly working it out. If they're busy with work, then that sucks, but I can't take that into account. I have to take the emotion out. And it doesn't look great. I'll probably vote here at the end of day, but I have some thoughts about Gnome's connections to get out.

Sorry, I ramble a lot.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Also, I was going to say this at day start, but I was feeling too shitty. Not 100% today but at least I don't feel like I'm dying.

Anyway, I'm dropping my cosplay. I was really hoping to come in here and just NOT BE ME for a game, but I forgot to change my pronouns, which kinda ruins it. My cosplay was actually pretty good - I will talk about what I did postgame - but pronouns fucked me since there are only a handful of us who play regularly and no matter what I did after that someone was going to just assume me regardless. But god it would have been nice to not have to fight over my personhood and identity for fucking once. Oh well. Maybe next costume game.

I had no idea who you were. Now I have a good guess based on this post but i think you were well disguised.

 

[Baba Yaga]

I had no idea who you were. Now I have a good guess based on this post but i think you were well disguised.

I am certain I made a wrong assumption more than twice and I certainly am not sure who Sans is anymore.

and I will stop clogging up the thread now. Gute Nacht

(Short shout-out to spec thread, I hope you are enjoying the game so far! don't be to hard on us though, yes we may overlook obvious things, but we're trying here and give it our best <3)

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Awe, all the costumes are coming down bit by bit - though everyone being outted I was prettttty confident on anyways. I'm also confident most of them already know who I am too. C'est la vie.

I caught up for real this time - that claim from Char is, uh, a choice. I honestly find it unlikely that there are roles with 'name the player' conditions on them. Signups were done entirely in secret, we could have new players (and in this case do), and the only other time I remember a costume game having a role like that was I believe Power Rangers and Faddy explicitly talked about how he felt uncomfortable with the role and wasn't a fan since it leads to low key e-stalking people lol I still really don't buy Tech visiting Ghost Bear without crumbing it and I will die on that hill because it's awful play and I don't think Tech was a bad player. That said, none of that really matters in the face of a claim that just reeks.

I do still want to dig into other players today though when I have the time. Right now my town core is something like Wax, Hyde, Sans, Snow Ghost, Boo, and Cat. Stan would jump up here if Char flips mafia because there's no way you open the day with that huge of a bus right after losing a teammate, but if Char is a neutral then a lot of that cred goes away so TBD there. Alien I felt pretty good about as town but I'm seeing opinions shifting there so I feel like I need to do a reread of them as well to make sure I'm not just leaving a blind spot due to the D1 offer of sacrifice.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Going to a bbq for awhile

chao

 

[Wax Phantom]

Still voting for char gon btw

 

[San Franpsycho]

Surprised you didn't go for me to be honest.

There's a few oddities in Alien's ISO but I want to start here. What's this about? I don't mean this as an identity fish, but rather a "why this?" Yesterday you had Char-Geno in your scum pool but today all you have to say is "Stan's argument is compelling" and this.

What do you actually think about anything? You were undecided on Gnome but now one of your scumreads is on the block.

 

[Hyde Monster]

i'll be at work for most of tomorrow (sundays, am i rite), so my presence is not a quarantee

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

won't have time to really dig in on anythng until tomorrow but checking in to reply to some ppl

first, CGG's claim is fake. It sounds exactly like a role that geno would make, just like his fake claim in halloween mafa, he can't resist being creative. he forgot jman (even though he literally mentioend jman in his claim post) AND he forgot that alien claimed to be part of a small group of players, even though both things were discussed ds 1-3 until we were all sick of hearing about them. geno's response to this is that it makes no sense to forget about jman as scum or as town, so it's nai. but this is false. someone with the claimed role would be spending all night phase trying to think of players to guess, they would be super on alert to think of who ppl might be & waiting for someone to claim. mafia, otoh, would be scrambling to put together a fake claim. more likely to forget.

do want to say, geno, i'm sorry for making you feel like you have to defend yourself while at work & sorry that this game is stressing you out, i think you're an awesome player even if i'm wrong about you, i just really really think that you are mafia.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

i had no idea who san fran was until recently and i'm still not 100% sure. things that are obvious to some people aren't obvious to others *shrug*

i also had no idea that cat was fanto

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

i have no good memory of space kook but i see she's been brought up a few times, will plan to read her tomorrow.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

but would tech have claimed their role and given ghost bear a green check on D2 then? since at that point they would have been essentially a cop who'se green check was about to get mushed.

i know discussion's gone past this but: no. if techno claimed cop d2 he would have been night killed. staying silent while doing his best to defend his green check would have been the best play, which is what he did for ghost bear.

Depending on CGG flip may want to look at lightning. That could be roleplay too, could explain the failure to check.

that is intriguing but tbh that player deserves an oscar if you're right. also, welcome.

If they are a neutral arsonist, have they doused scum? If they have, would it be beneficial for town to let the scum to ignite?

OMG, no. no we should not try to work with an arsonist on the off chance that they doused scum.

I am drunk.
I have seen the beautiful town of Quedlinburg today. World cultural heritage. Would I want to live there? Maybe, I don't know? Would you?

looks gorgeous, wish i lived there

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

ok, i'm out again for a bit, will try to post more in the 8 or so hours before eod

 

[San Franpsycho]

I would not want to live there because you probably get loads of tourists but I wouldn't mind living close by, because everything looks beautiful.

 

[Alien]

There's a few oddities in Alien's ISO but I want to start here. What's this about? I don't mean this as an identity fish, but rather a "why this?" Yesterday you had Char-Geno in your scum pool but today all you have to say is "Stan's argument is compelling" and this.

What do you actually think about anything? You were undecided on Gnome but now one of your scumreads is on the block.

CGG is scum as far as I'm concerned. I don't like to put my votes down super early but I'll vote now because I'm working tomorrow and I don't want to risk missing EoD. As for the prodding CGG about my identity, I feel like it's fairly obvious so I figured it was worth asking the question of why they didn't check me.

I didn't have much to say about gnome last day phase because I was mostly not around until the turbo happened. I didn't want to put us one votIf you wanna hold that against me that's fine, but it's the truth.

I appreciate I've been coasting i won't deny that. I've been watching the football since that started and it has kinda distracted me. I'll try to pick my play up but I can't guarantee it. I'm vanilla, vote me if you like.

Vote:CGG

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I miss telling turmoil about Chinese taxi drivers. But whenever we do play together he subs out :( feels like I'm having that effect on people.

But hey at least my buddy Geno loves playing with me and getting lynched, right friend?

Right? ;(

Suck my d***. Jk man you know I love you.

Anyway just finished work, I am dead, I hate people who ask shit one by one, annoys me to no end. Please don't ever do it to your local waiter. Btw I'm Scrappy Doo, a survivor, the claim is true though, no I'm not arsonist, I promise you that 100%, and I'm not saying this to ask you to keep me around, like I said I want the slot out, there's no point for someone replacing in this, turbo me and get it over with.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Oh sorry, claim has 1 difference, change track to 1 shot BP.

 

[Snow Creature]

This took me forever. Probably wasn't even worth it.

So I ended up reading through Gnome. I built up some theories on their connections with others. To me, this clears certain people just because of how they reacted to each other, and some stand out as... suspicious. I'll go person by person based on the name list. I've left myself out.

Spoiler: Stan

The Boo vote is looking kind of pure with that flip, but Wrassle Bear and Stalin are still nulls for me so I’m not sure if I want to follow that

Not a fan of this at all. Feels like posturing. The case was there even if you want to pretend it wasn't. Dude did some sketchy shit, left, and spent all his time when he was back mostly just talking about himself. It's only obvious he's town if you already know what his flip most likely was.

Aside from this I agree with Kook in that those Ghost Bear posts look real bad. It's making me nervous about the Boo vote that seems to be springing up again.

Stallin' Stan folded quick once he was called out on the Boo stuff and I'm not a big fan of that at all. Reexamining your scum reads is a good thing, but the speed at which he did that just from the slightest pressure just feels weird. Wonder if scum was expecting Boo to have more heat on him today than he ended up having.

Vote: Stan

It feels like Gnome did a lot of needling and throwing shade at Stan. Doesn't read to me like fake scum stuff. Think Gnome was genuinely trying to set Stan up for a fall. Stan is clear in my books for now.

Spoiler: Wax and Hyde

I'm sticking these two together for obvious reasons.

The fuck is what?

Wax what

Gnome's sheer disbelief at Wax makes me think they weren't prepared for what was to come. Completely caught off guard scum. Hyde is innocent by association. Also had a vote on him from Gnome pre mason reveal.

Yeah why not. Still okay with the other wagons, but Hyde has done nothing.

Vote: Hyde Monster

Definitely believe these two are masons.

Spoiler: Kook

Liked this reaction to it. Kook just feels kind of natural here.

Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment, but there's so many unknowns right now. Waxy just melting like wax, before showing up on the same vote he was beating the drum for the same person he was on for no reason yesterday is a bad vibe. Going to throw a vote down on Stan, but I'm cool with both Waxy and Ghost Bear vote also

Gnome was town reading Kook a little bit. It's NAI for Kook and I can't get a read on him from this. Snack mentioned that Kook had never mentioned Gnome in any significant way, so might be something to keep in mind in the future.

Reads list here in the usual order of people I feel the best about at the top and worst at the bottom, anyone in the middleish area can be interchanged pretty easily

Kook made a read list that put Gnome quite low down too. Overall, I have no real lean, but also no interest to look here right now.

Spoiler: Baba

A couple of interactions with Gnome lightly questioning Baba.

I’m confused on what you think the connection is between the two. Do you think they’re teammates?

This feels more like a read on Boo than a read on Sans

Then as they're on the way out, curses Baba with their dying breath. Don't know what to make of this, but I have a good gut feeling on Baba so I'm inclined to lean away from them.

Baba is a good place to look too after that push on easy kill Geno there.

Spoiler: Alien

Not much for Alien I'm afraid. Gnome acknowledges and talks with Alien about no votes and turbos.

Yeah, but that’s just general town fuck shit. I’m talking more about intentionally no voting or turboing on day 1. It doesn’t happen

I agree which is why I think we should just move on from it. You're not ever going to get everyone on day 1 to agree with doing something like that, so it's a waste of time.

Then Gnome kind of half defends Alien. Don't put much stock in this.

Yeah I'm kind of not seeing it with Alien either. I feel like Anthos wouldn't come out the gate with that if he was scum, but I've seen weirder shit, so I'm still pending with that one. Was not really vibing with his recent post.

And Alien was undecided on Gnome at one point.

Okay sure I'll type something up. I'll typer something more in depth for day 3 start but for now I'll just split into 3 broad groups.

People I'm largely undecided on

Gnome
BooBeard
Wax and Hyde (based solely on the Masons claim)

Sorry, not much here. Alien needs a reread.

Spoiler: Lightning

Felt like Gnome kept prodding at Lightning. Could be scums playing off each other, but I really think Gnome was trying to take advantage of a slightly suspicious person. Makes me trust Lightning more.

Hm.

Vote: Lightning Strikes

Not a big fan of the confidence in this flip and the role fishing earlier

Vote: Ghost Bear

But yeah, we can come back to Lightning, because I do think he’s less overtly town than usual

You were being weird about the Ghost Bear vote. Thought you were scum that knew how he was going to flip, so you could do this whole “I told you so” act tomorrow. I think I was wrong about that though.

Spoiler: Neon

Neon pushed against Gnome's insistence that Boo's vote was likely pure on D1 (maybe he knew because he was scum?).

@Gnome

[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC		(5 votes)
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
[He/Him] Ghost Bear - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[He/Him] Anthos - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Anthos - UTC
[He/Him] Frankenstein - UTC

There's going to be what, 3-5? scum give or take some other meddlers? in a game this size?
They have to be somewhere, and this vote had a decent amount of people on it even if Anthos and Franky narrow it down.

What made you say you thought it might be pure even while admitting you had concerns about some on it?

Okay, if you just meant that it had two townies on it that feels a bit of a nothing statement when we only have two flips so I can't really say I get where you were coming from, but okay, fair enough. Might be worth looking back on in future.
I just thought it seemed a strange thing to say while mentioning your doubts about Ghost Stan and Ghost Bear.

So it seemed Neon was against Gnome, except here they felt good about them. I dunno, I light town read Neon for now based on the pushback they gave Gnome.

Woodsman and Gnome I'm not entirely sure about but mostly feel good. They feel like people working on things, they're not shy about putting forth opinions and interacting with people.

Spoiler: Cat

There's a couple of interactions between Cat and Gnome, some jokey stuff. Earlyish Cat didn't have much of an opinion on Gnome.

I don't remember Gnome very much, but that's probably just a me thing having issues remembering costumes still lol.

Then later on had them quite high on a read list

town
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Baba Yaga - UTC
[He/Him] Scooby Snack Monster|Snack - UTC
[He/Him] Gnome - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[She/Her] Spooky Space Kook|Kook - UTC
[He/Him] Technicolor Phantom|Tech - UTC
[He/Him] Char Gar Gothakon|CGG - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[They/Them] Hyde Monster - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC
[He/Him] Ghost Bear - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
scum

Another interaction between the two after Gnome's fake claim. This reads like Gnome being genuinely curious about Cat, so I want to read that as them not knowing each other. Makes me want to town read Cat for now.

Real talk, I was really tempted to check you just because it was funny, but could never quite pick out who you were.

Spoiler: Skunk

Oof Skunk, hard to read for me. I keep going back and forth. But the interactions with Gnome make me want to town read them.

Well I'm dead, so I can be less low key now at least.

You probably have some scum in the quick vote after Snack claimed the red check so that's not a bad place to look also. Captain has been doing basically nothing the entire game.

Snack is one of the players you feel best about, and yet when he red checks you, you jump right to him being scum completely ignoring the possibility of a redirect. Why would scum!Snack waste all of his towncred to falsely accuse you?

So Gnome tries to throw shade at Captain for basically doing nothing. Could see this being a bit of sincere anger that Captain wasn't getting the same level of sus. Then Capt pushed back against Gnome's claim and poked holes in it which reads genuine to me. Yeah yeah, of course scum would try to get on the Gnome train to look innocent, but I don't think they'd push quite like this. Captain is a light town read for now.

Spoiler: Woodsman

Yeah, Woodsman is still on my list to reread. I'll get round to it at some point... probably.

So, D1 (I think) Gnome and Woody have a one to one. I don't want to tunnel on Woody or anything, but does this read as a bit fake to anyone else?

I agree with this for the most part, but I just don't know if I completely agree with the inactive player thing. Last game town killed inactive Geno who only talked about Sorian on day 1, and while town won that, it didn't really get them any new info and just felt like kind of a waste of a day. I just think it's better to off someone else than kill an inactive.

And when Snack says Char and Woody never talked, Gnome takes umbridge with it, as if they wanted their convo to be known.

This is a straight up lie

If you want to get extra spicy, you could read this as scum advice to scum.

Where the heck is Woody? Felt okay about him after our back and forth on day 1, but then he's just been tunneling Char this whole time and that's a bad vibe

Woody's reaction to the Gnome situation was pretty nonchalant too.

Good morning. Looks like I missed all the action!
Gnomes reaction to the red check sounds like caught Scum and a red check will always take precedence anyway.

Also I'm not doused and haven't been in a gossip chat.

I still need to do a reread, but something about Woodsman has set my alarms off for a while for some reason. I'm leaning scum here.

Spoiler: Pazzo

I find this one funny. Gnome town reads Paz and then later on says Paz is skating by doing nothing lol

Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment, but there's so many unknowns right now. Waxy just melting like wax, before showing up on the same vote he was beating the drum for the same person he was on for no reason yesterday is a bad vibe. Going to throw a vote down on Stan, but I'm cool with both Waxy and Ghost Bear vote also

Paz is getting town read for doing almost nothing for some reason so maybe check into that.

That feels like scum throwing stuff at the wall. Also, Pazzo went against Gnome's claim, which also reads good to me.

Scum wouldn’t draw a target on the back of presumably one of their more embedded members just to get you tossed on D3, especially if you’re not going to flip scum. They would’ve just...killed you lol

All in all, feeling good about Pazzo. Town to me.

Spoiler: Boo

Not gonna lie, I've been feeling a bit sus of Boo this last 12 or so hours. It might be a crazy conspiracy in my head, so I need to reread.

Gnome was very defensive of Boo. Not too weird - a few of us were. But when one person is scum, it colours your view of their conversations.

I haven't read back, but based on what he's done recently. I don't think he's scum.

Aside from this I agree with Kook in that those Ghost Bear posts look real bad. It's making me nervous about the Boo vote that seems to be springing up again.

Was nervous about the Boo vote on D2. Someone can check the timing on the votes, but Boo was never really at risk, so not sure why the nerves about it.
Boo returned the favour for Gnome early on.

I like Snack, Hyde, Frankenstein, Woodsman, Gnome and San Fran. They feel town leaning to me.

I want to break this next one down into two. First, Boo was "okay" with the Gnome vote post Snack's claim. Considering it's a green check and pretty nailed on, Boo is strangely non chalant about it. Decides not to vote there and go somewhere else. Not suspicious by itself, but strange they didn't jump along with it. And at this point they were only now "starting to think they're scum". For a green check, they're not convinced.

I'm okay with the Gnome vote. We'll get some direction with the flip. Sorry if you're telling the truth, Gnome. I'm not gonna park my vote there for now because I'd like to see another wagon and not turbo.

Gnome:
-I thought town Day 1, leaned to unsure Day 2, now starting to think scum

Second part, Boo weirdly brings Woody into it. Seems strange at this point to ask about the Gnome business. Also underselling it a bit by calling it "this Gnome business". Would tie in with all three of them being scum together.

So potentially around 2-4 scum votes? I don't want to put my vote down on these right now. Instead I'd like to prod Woodsman to reply, they've been awfully quiet lately.

Vote: Woodsman

@Woodsman what do you think about this Gnome business?

So yeah, Boo has gone up my suspicion list. I want to dive into this more tomorrow, but my current crazy conspiracy is that Boo was tutored on N1. D1 he's quite obviously new and bumbles around a bit picking up suspicion. But their game dramatically gets better from D2 onwards. Worth looking into more but I think scum gave them some tips to fit in better.

Also, extra conspiracy, was this a slip by Gnome, calling Boo "our boy"?

What's the case on our boy Boo?

Anthos didn't really give me much on his return here, so I'm thinking of just voting there at the moment.

The Char vote just feels like a trap to me.

Spoiler: Char

I've said what I think of Char, Gnome was a defender of Char too. Another link I found funny was that both Char and Gnome claimed their roles involved guessing people's names. Are they both inspired by the same scum role? Odd that they both went there.

D1, says the char vote feels like a trap. No idea what that means or why they'd go there. Trying to lead away from Char?

The Char vote just feels like a trap to me.

More defending of Char:

If Char is who I think it is, then I get why he's concerned about some wacky powers after the last costume game. He also just feels like he's kind of on an island here, and those kills always don't work out. Feel like it's really easy to read his stand offishness as scum and I'm trying to avoid that mistake this time.

I defend people I think are town and people were talking about him.

That last one is in response to Snack who also got weird vibes from Gnome's defence.

And I dunno, their early conversations set my alarms off too, but I admit that's conjecture. Another conspiracy, odd that Char didn't get the miller joke early on considering Geno was just in that game, but that's a bit too meta.

? Explain.

Do you expect him to be using that energy to solve at this point of the game?

They just feel fake to me. Like it's trying to check the box of "we talked to each other". Feels weird. That's all I have on that really, still don't feel good about Char.

Spoiler: Sans

This is a tough one and I'm in two minds. 1) The obvious option is Gnome was trying to buddy up to Sans because they were widely town read. But 2) Could they be team mates? That's my current spicy theory.

First, Snack said this at one point. I don't know the history between Sans and Gnome, but if someone does, that might be something to consider.

reads are mostly unchanged, but was curious if sans had talked about gnome at all. these two players have history, so probably worth keeping sans in mind going forward. not sure i'd look there yet until much later though, since it is still early in the game and not had much time to turn attention to gnome.

Just a lot of defending/agreeing with Sans at points.

Yeah, I don’t really have a problem with it either, but Lightning Strike just straight up hasn’t posted at all, and that’s not going to give us any info. I’m just kind of letting it ride for now because I fully expect it to collapse once he shows up though.

I’m confused on what you think the connection is between the two. Do you think they’re teammates?

Like I’m just really not seeing the case for Sans there because I felt like she very clear on her stance in regards to Boo.

This mini convo seemed a bit performative.

It's already down, punk

Sans had a good feeling about Gnome early on. Quickly switched when the green check came. Now I think Sans is a savvy enough player that they'd know to immediately flip on their scum mate when something like this happens.

Ghost of Stealin Stan I couldn't have said anything about until he posted just now. I remembered nothing except that he was not Stan. The only Phantom I remembered was Wax Phantom because of the bad cosplay. I didn't even remember there were two other phantoms until I looked. Ghost Bear also, I have no idea.

Wax, Boo, and Alien need to do more than just one thing. Add Baba to that. Cat too. Skunkbeard is awkward, kinda scum read it.

Lightning, Scoobs, Gnome probably good. Maybe Pazzo. Maybe Snow Ghost but fluff can cover a lot and there's a lot of fluff in those posts.

lmao nah, you jumped straight to fake over switch or redirect or anything else, come on. You're scum, and scum team has some kind of switch which is why you didn't think of it here. Scum probably really does have some identity role, RIP Geno and jman. Should have claimed arsonist lol

At the time of writing this, I'm so tired and can't put together why I suspect Sans now but yeah, that's my outside shot at a scum.

Spoiler: Snow Ghost

Sorry Snow Ghost, it's late and I'm tired so you don't get much. Nothing really of note, except Gnome goes out saying not to trust Snack's green check on them. Would scum try to throw shade at them knowing they're about to be flipped? Given Snack's light green check, I wouldn't want to look here yet.

Well I'm dead, so I can be less low key now at least.

Would probably take a closer look at Snow Giant as well after I flip. Could absolutely see Snack green checking a partner here.

That was too long, sorry for dragging it out. Probably not worth anything but at least it can be a reference point for anyone who wants to look in the future.

Now, here's my current suspect list of who I think is on the scum team: Gnome, Boo, Sans, Char, and maybe Woodsman. I could be super wrong, but that's where I'm drawn to at the moment.

Also, one last Gnome comment. I think it might be worth looking at because at least one of these is likely scum:

Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment, but there's so many unknowns right now.

I've crossed off the dead, leaving Pazzo, Sans, Kook, and Cat. Think Gnome will have tried to slip scum in there.

That's it, I'm off to bed.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I am being 100% serious hear.

What if we consider letting CCG live for a day or 2 and used our time to hunt other targets?

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

I am being 100% serious hear.

What if we consider letting CCG live for a day or 2 and used our time to hunt other targets?

Why?

 

[Alien]

I am being 100% serious hear.

What if we consider letting CCG live for a day or 2 and used our time to hunt other targets?

How exactl

 

[Alien]

I am being 100% serious hear.

What if we consider letting CCG live for a day or 2 and used our time to hunt other targets?

Sorry hit post by mistake there

How exactly would that benefit us?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Sorry hit post by mistake there

How exactly would that benefit us?

If Geno is Mafia not at all.

If Geno is neutral I hate giving mafia such an easy day today. Just killing CGG is probably the correct play but something just feels wrong about it to me.


Just thought I would float the idea.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Why?

Like I said above giving Mafia a "free" day if he is neutral is rubbing me the wrong way.

If he is mafia very happy to kill today.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Just saying that if you keep me around I won't have time to scumhunt, it's time to pull the plug.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Nothing about today has to be free. If you think he's neutral, who's mafia? Question them.

 

[San Franpsycho]

CGG is scum as far as I'm concerned. I don't like to put my votes down super early but I'll vote now because I'm working tomorrow and I don't want to risk missing EoD. As for the prodding CGG about my identity, I feel like it's fairly obvious so I figured it was worth asking the question of why they didn't check me.

I didn't have much to say about gnome last day phase because I was mostly not around until the turbo happened. I didn't want to put us one votIf you wanna hold that against me that's fine, but it's the truth.

I appreciate I've been coasting i won't deny that. I've been watching the football since that started and it has kinda distracted me. I'll try to pick my play up but I can't guarantee it. I'm vanilla, vote me if you like.

Vote:CGG

Votes on a red check mean nothing. I'm not worried about votes. It's more interesting to me how you came to the conclusion Char was scum. How'd you get there/how do you feel about today?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Nothing about today has to be free. If you think he's neutral, who's mafia? Question them.

I have no questions for my primary scum reads.

I just want to watch them play mafia in a day not predetermined.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

If Geno is Mafia not at all.

If Geno is neutral I hate giving mafia such an easy day today. Just killing CGG is probably the correct play but something just feels wrong about it to me.


Just thought I would float the idea.

If CGG is mafia, we need to vote him out. If he's a neutral, then that leans closer towards our arsonist, and we need to vote him out. We can't bank on a neutral killing 3 or 4 people at once and just hoping that some are scum

 

[Alien]

Votes on a red check mean nothing. I'm not worried about votes. It's more interesting to me how you came to the conclusion Char was scum. How'd you get there/how do you feel about today?

Okay fair enough. I'll type something up on that subject. It's 1AM for me though so it'll probably have to wait until I get a chance tomorrow (I.e. my lunch break)

 

[Lightning Strikes]

If CGG is mafia, we need to vote him out. If he's a neutral, then that leans closer towards our arsonist, and we need to vote him out. We can't bank on a neutral killing 3 or 4 people at once and just hoping that some are scum

Yeah I agree. I'm mostly a little upset and venting that we have no choice but to kill CGG

I understand it's the correct option.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Vote: CGG

 

[BooBeard]

@Snow Creature I appreciate your large post. I read the whole thing, and while I don't agree with everything I think you made some good connections. If you're scum and making large, researched posts like this then I applaud you for the effort. I agree with you that Woodsman is scummy and I'll be looking further into them later.

Your theory about me being tutored is wrong. I'm not in any chats, I didn't even opt-in to the mentoring program. If I was in a chat and I could ask teammates for help, don't you think I would've done so before posting Day 1? I've made a bunch of newbie mistakes this game and they weren't exclusive to the first day, if I was being tutored I could've avoided them.


@Lightning Strikes I feel your frustration about being unable to do further investigations and start other wagons, both today and yesterday. It feels like we're letting the Mafia get away with not really playing the game.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Doing a reread atm.

While I do though

Suck my d***. Jk man you know I love you.

Anyway just finished work, I am dead, I hate people who ask shit one by one, annoys me to no end. Please don't ever do it to your local waiter. Btw I'm Scrappy Doo, a survivor, the claim is true though, no I'm not arsonist, I promise you that 100%, and I'm not saying this to ask you to keep me around, like I said I want the slot out, there's no point for someone replacing in this, turbo me and get it over with.

Sorry work was shitty.

Just for clarity if you're now claiming survivor I assume you're also admitting you didn't talk to Tech N1.

You claimed you did early, long before everyone checked in, which makes doing so look like an interesting gamble. Care to explain why you were comfortable making it?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Your theory about me being tutored is wrong. I'm not in any chats, I didn't even opt-in to the mentoring program

Funny thing is I myself am being Mentored this game.

 

[BooBeard]

Funny thing is I myself am being Mentored this game.

I'm beginning to think I should've swallowed my pride and done the same. Oh well, always next game.

Tomorrow is Father's Day so I'm going to be with my family most of the day. I'll be checking in but I likely won't be able to make any large posts. I'm heading to bed now.

 

[San Franpsycho]

-3 from turbo, FYI

No competing wagon outside Skunkbeard? Or just not showing up? I thought I remembered another vote.

vote: Alien

Answers aren't terrible but they feel very low key and... inoffensive? I don't know how to describe it. Not feeling much investment, but that's granted too. Fair enough counterwagon, I think.

 

[San Franpsycho]

oh rip I think we may actually be -1 - the tool isn't up to date.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I'm beginning to think I should've swallowed my pride and done the same. Oh well, always next game.

Tomorrow is Father's Day so I'm going to be with my family most of the day. I'll be checking in but I likely won't be able to make any large posts. I'm heading to bed now.

My mentor shared a cool link from another site that had a mentorship and it has some good info in it.

I can give you the link when the game is over.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

@BooBeard

Did not explain well. It's a link to a different person being mentored years ago and when this game is over I am happy to share.

 

[San Franpsycho]

This took me forever. Probably wasn't even worth it.

So I ended up reading through Gnome. I built up some theories on their connections with others. To me, this clears certain people just because of how they reacted to each other, and some stand out as... suspicious. I'll go person by person based on the name list. I've left myself out.

Spoiler: Stan

It feels like Gnome did a lot of needling and throwing shade at Stan. Doesn't read to me like fake scum stuff. Think Gnome was genuinely trying to set Stan up for a fall. Stan is clear in my books for now.

Spoiler: Wax and Hyde

I'm sticking these two together for obvious reasons.


Gnome's sheer disbelief at Wax makes me think they weren't prepared for what was to come. Completely caught off guard scum. Hyde is innocent by association. Also had a vote on him from Gnome pre mason reveal.

Definitely believe these two are masons.

Spoiler: Kook

Gnome was town reading Kook a little bit. It's NAI for Kook and I can't get a read on him from this. Snack mentioned that Kook had never mentioned Gnome in any significant way, so might be something to keep in mind in the future.

Kook made a read list that put Gnome quite low down too. Overall, I have no real lean, but also no interest to look here right now.

Spoiler: Baba

A couple of interactions with Gnome lightly questioning Baba.



Then as they're on the way out, curses Baba with their dying breath. Don't know what to make of this, but I have a good gut feeling on Baba so I'm inclined to lean away from them.

Spoiler: Alien

Not much for Alien I'm afraid. Gnome acknowledges and talks with Alien about no votes and turbos.


Then Gnome kind of half defends Alien. Don't put much stock in this.

And Alien was undecided on Gnome at one point.

Sorry, not much here. Alien needs a reread.

Spoiler: Lightning

Felt like Gnome kept prodding at Lightning. Could be scums playing off each other, but I really think Gnome was trying to take advantage of a slightly suspicious person. Makes me trust Lightning more.

Spoiler: Neon

Neon pushed against Gnome's insistence that Boo's vote was likely pure on D1 (maybe he knew because he was scum?).


So it seemed Neon was against Gnome, except here they felt good about them. I dunno, I light town read Neon for now based on the pushback they gave Gnome.

Spoiler: Cat

There's a couple of interactions between Cat and Gnome, some jokey stuff. Earlyish Cat didn't have much of an opinion on Gnome.

Then later on had them quite high on a read list

Another interaction between the two after Gnome's fake claim. This reads like Gnome being genuinely curious about Cat, so I want to read that as them not knowing each other. Makes me want to town read Cat for now.

Spoiler: Skunk

Oof Skunk, hard to read for me. I keep going back and forth. But the interactions with Gnome make me want to town read them.


So Gnome tries to throw shade at Captain for basically doing nothing. Could see this being a bit of sincere anger that Captain wasn't getting the same level of sus. Then Capt pushed back against Gnome's claim and poked holes in it which reads genuine to me. Yeah yeah, of course scum would try to get on the Gnome train to look innocent, but I don't think they'd push quite like this. Captain is a light town read for now.

Spoiler: Woodsman

Yeah, Woodsman is still on my list to reread. I'll get round to it at some point... probably.

So, D1 (I think) Gnome and Woody have a one to one. I don't want to tunnel on Woody or anything, but does this read as a bit fake to anyone else?

And when Snack says Char and Woody never talked, Gnome takes umbridge with it, as if they wanted their convo to be known.

If you want to get extra spicy, you could read this as scum advice to scum.

Woody's reaction to the Gnome situation was pretty nonchalant too.

I still need to do a reread, but something about Woodsman has set my alarms off for a while for some reason. I'm leaning scum here.

Spoiler: Pazzo

I find this one funny. Gnome town reads Paz and then later on says Paz is skating by doing nothing lol


That feels like scum throwing stuff at the wall. Also, Pazzo went against Gnome's claim, which also reads good to me.

All in all, feeling good about Pazzo. Town to me.

Spoiler: Boo

Not gonna lie, I've been feeling a bit sus of Boo this last 12 or so hours. It might be a crazy conspiracy in my head, so I need to reread.

Gnome was very defensive of Boo. Not too weird - a few of us were. But when one person is scum, it colours your view of their conversations.


Was nervous about the Boo vote on D2. Someone can check the timing on the votes, but Boo was never really at risk, so not sure why the nerves about it.
Boo returned the favour for Gnome early on.


I want to break this next one down into two. First, Boo was "okay" with the Gnome vote post Snack's claim. Considering it's a green check and pretty nailed on, Boo is strangely non chalant about it. Decides not to vote there and go somewhere else. Not suspicious by itself, but strange they didn't jump along with it. And at this point they were only now "starting to think they're scum". For a green check, they're not convinced.


Second part, Boo weirdly brings Woody into it. Seems strange at this point to ask about the Gnome business. Also underselling it a bit by calling it "this Gnome business". Would tie in with all three of them being scum together.


So yeah, Boo has gone up my suspicion list. I want to dive into this more tomorrow, but my current crazy conspiracy is that Boo was tutored on N1. D1 he's quite obviously new and bumbles around a bit picking up suspicion. But their game dramatically gets better from D2 onwards. Worth looking into more but I think scum gave them some tips to fit in better.

Also, extra conspiracy, was this a slip by Gnome, calling Boo "our boy"?

Spoiler: Char

I've said what I think of Char, Gnome was a defender of Char too. Another link I found funny was that both Char and Gnome claimed their roles involved guessing people's names. Are they both inspired by the same scum role? Odd that they both went there.

D1, says the char vote feels like a trap. No idea what that means or why they'd go there. Trying to lead away from Char?


More defending of Char:


That last one is in response to Snack who also got weird vibes from Gnome's defence.

And I dunno, their early conversations set my alarms off too, but I admit that's conjecture. Another conspiracy, odd that Char didn't get the miller joke early on considering Geno was just in that game, but that's a bit too meta.


They just feel fake to me. Like it's trying to check the box of "we talked to each other". Feels weird. That's all I have on that really, still don't feel good about Char.

Spoiler: Sans

This is a tough one and I'm in two minds. 1) The obvious option is Gnome was trying to buddy up to Sans because they were widely town read. But 2) Could they be team mates? That's my current spicy theory.

First, Snack said this at one point. I don't know the history between Sans and Gnome, but if someone does, that might be something to consider.


Just a lot of defending/agreeing with Sans at points.




This mini convo seemed a bit performative.


Sans had a good feeling about Gnome early on. Quickly switched when the green check came. Now I think Sans is a savvy enough player that they'd know to immediately flip on their scum mate when something like this happens.


At the time of writing this, I'm so tired and can't put together why I suspect Sans now but yeah, that's my outside shot at a scum.

Spoiler: Snow Ghost

Sorry Snow Ghost, it's late and I'm tired so you don't get much. Nothing really of note, except Gnome goes out saying not to trust Snack's green check on them. Would scum try to throw shade at them knowing they're about to be flipped? Given Snack's light green check, I wouldn't want to look here yet.

That was too long, sorry for dragging it out. Probably not worth anything but at least it can be a reference point for anyone who wants to look in the future.

Now, here's my current suspect list of who I think is on the scum team: Gnome, Boo, Sans, Char, and maybe Woodsman. I could be super wrong, but that's where I'm drawn to at the moment.

Also, one last Gnome comment. I think it might be worth looking at because at least one of these is likely scum:


I've crossed off the dead, leaving Pazzo, Sans, Kook, and Cat. Think Gnome will have tried to slip scum in there.

That's it, I'm off to bed.

First: Scoobs already did this work and tbh, did it more thoroughly and with more of an investigative eye. There's a lot of "maybe" and "I don't know" and not a lot of consistency in how things are weighed. I'm not sure how you come to those conclusions. For example, you mention very little of the substance of my questioning Gnome's claim, but give credit to Pazzo, who did less. This feels like you went in with an angle and came out with the same angle.

 

[Baba Yaga]

unvote

pls no turbo

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

So I was gonna do work but instead I got drunk and tomorrow I’m going kayaking in the morning so TBG if I’ll pop up sorry y’all I suck ass through. A straw

 

[Snow Creature]

@Snow Creature I appreciate your large post. I read the whole thing, and while I don't agree with everything I think you made some good connections. If you're scum and making large, researched posts like this then I applaud you for the effort. I agree with you that Woodsman is scummy and I'll be looking further into them later.

Your theory about me being tutored is wrong. I'm not in any chats, I didn't even opt-in to the mentoring program. If I was in a chat and I could ask teammates for help, don't you think I would've done so before posting Day 1? I've made a bunch of newbie mistakes this game and they weren't exclusive to the first day, if I was being tutored I could've avoided them.

Like I said, I'm not about to vote you without a reread and it's one of my more out there ideas.

First: Scoobs already did this work and tbh, did it more thoroughly and with more of an investigative eye. There's a lot of "maybe" and "I don't know" and not a lot of consistency in how things are weighed. I'm not sure how you come to those conclusions. For example, you mention very little of the substance of my questioning Gnome's claim, but give credit to Pazzo, who did less. This feels like you went in with an angle and came out with the same angle.

Shocker, I'm not a great mafia player and I obviously don't know what's actually happening. All I can do is make guesses and explain them in my own way.

I'm a broad thinker and cover everything I can think of (as you can tell from my copious notes). So if a deeper thinker wants to come in, take a kernel of an idea, and run with it, please do. Pick up where I can't.

And let's take Alien as an example. You've voted there. What's the case? Where's your depth and investigative eye? That sounds catty, but I mean it. If that's where you want to vote and draw other people in that direction, what's your argument?

I need to look at you in more depth, but I don't remember you ever really building arguments like that. Maybe that's not your style, but if you can covince me on Alien then go for it.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Last post from me, good luck town, hope you win despite me being salty.

 

[Snow Creature]

Also just want to pick up on this discussion.

If Geno is Mafia not at all.

If Geno is neutral I hate giving mafia such an easy day today. Just killing CGG is probably the correct play but something just feels wrong about it to me.


Just thought I would float the idea.

It's a valid point; if we go CGG then that's two days in a row where we don't get a whole lot.

But, if you're JMan - and this is a bit meta - why do you not want to get rid of a neutral now vs you being adamant about it in the last mafia game? Especially since this could potentially be a very similar situation with an arsonist.

I would also maybe view voting out a neutral not so much as anti-scum hunting but more pro-town surviving, if that makes sense. It's still a net gain.

I have no questions for my primary scum reads.

I just want to watch them play mafia in a day not predetermined.

And just remind me again, who are your primary reads? Have you not got a vote on one of them to put pressure on?

 

[Neon Phantom]

I'm working out how to approach this so I can actually force thoughts to form.

I want to ignore Char briefly because whether he's neutral or scum isn't locked down until he actually flips.
I have more than enough half formed ifs already, the ones revolving around him are ones I can come back to.

I'm want to go back to looking at Gnome for a moment because he's the flip we actually have.
So this is an attempt to collect how people felt about him before post #1393 where Snacks declares the red.

Day One Reads

So far I’ve got good gut feelings about San, Gnome and SSM

feeling kinda good about

Gnome
Lightning
Frankenstein
Pazzo
Sans
Snow Ghost

d1 reads etc. etc.

I like Snack, Hyde, Frankenstein, Woodsman, Gnome and San Fran. They feel town leaning to me.

Day Two Reads

Ghost of Stealin Stan I couldn't have said anything about until he posted just now. I remembered nothing except that he was not Stan. The only Phantom I remembered was Wax Phantom because of the bad cosplay. I didn't even remember there were two other phantoms until I looked. Ghost Bear also, I have no idea.

Wax, Boo, and Alien need to do more than just one thing. Add Baba to that. Cat too. Skunkbeard is awkward, kinda scum read it.

Lightning, Scoobs, Gnome probably good. Maybe Pazzo. Maybe Snow Ghost but fluff can cover a lot and there's a lot of fluff in those posts.

Alien, Snack, and San would be at the top. Gnome, Lightning, and Spooky would be a level down from them. Still a lot of nulls.

slept on it. something about gnome still not sitting right, but will come back to that later. feeling better about char. need to look at some other players.

Now, some reads.

First, Boo. I know I was on them early on, but I've done a 180 on a reread. I 100% believe they're new because their posts read just like a newbie trying to fit in and play the MafiEra way. I know because I've been there myself. As for alignment, it's NAI, but I'm more inclined to look elsewhere. Also, I like this part of their post:

Because I compeltely agree. So I'll look to see if they have a good D2.

My town leans in order of towniest to less towniest:

Snacks
Sans
Snow Ghost
Pazzo
Lightning

Alien and Gnome are also slightly on that list, but I'm watching them. Alien's defence of Boo was NAI, but something about them seems earnest.

Feeling scummy about:

Ghost Bear - see Boo's reasoning. Exactly what I had in my notes for them.
Cat - At first I thought their schtick was whatever, but I have a weird gut feeling they're just flying through. Jumped on different votes quickly in the latter half of D1.
Woodsman - A lot of their posts felt like they were just reiterating something someone else said. Set off alarms.

If you need more of an explanation why for any of them, I will. Don't want to dump literally every thought on you.

Firstly, people I am town reading to some degree.

Higher they are, safer they are. You know the drill.

SanFran
Pazzo
Char
Lightning
Technicolor Phantom

Snacks
Spooky Space Kook

Woodsman and Gnome??

SanFran is overaggro, doing a lot of pushing and I'm not entirely sure if I'm overconflating that with actually working things through which makes me wary but damn it, I cannot help but feel strongly good about them. And I tried. They just keep floating back up to the top.

Pazzo feels like someone working things through, they're making connections, going through what people say, analysing things off their own back, chasing people for opinions and answers, they analysed eod. They feel solvey.

Char for whatever reason is giving me good vibes, Lightning's more reactive posts yesterday felt sincere, Tech has made an impression on me with the few posts they've made as someone cutting through the bullshit, as such.

Snacks and Spooky Space Kook were both higher up my list before the reread I fell asleep during, I still feel they're towny but less firmly.

Snacks has been posting a lot but as such there's a few moments where it feels more like there's no oompf behind what they put forward. He floated the turbo idea with no actual plan for it and backed off it in moments, likes Sanfran's aggressive pursuit but not the posts she's pursuing, fishes at Gnomes read on Char while insisting he's not interested in the who, and wifoms his way through the reasons for the scum kill. The "posts that leave speculation to others tend to be scum. i would know" felt a bit on the nose.

Spooky I felt good about yesterday, but on rereading today I feel like they're more wishy washy than I thought so I'm not sure there. They entertained Alien's flavour discussion, they had a rather noncommittal intention to vote out an inactive that they wavered away from when people disliked that and then circled back into later, but I do agree with her read on SnowC and the snipes at Ghost Bear for his inconsistent comments on the Boo vote.

Woodsman and Gnome I'm not entirely sure about but mostly feel good. They feel like people working on things, they're not shy about putting forth opinions and interacting with people.

meow

around for a short bit before i go to bed, probably not enough time to iso everyone i wanted to, but i feel like ive gotten some sense of almost everyone in the game by now at least

ill try to sort people

towniest at the top, scummiest at the bottom

town

[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Baba Yaga - UTC
[He/Him] Scooby Snack Monster|Snack - UTC
[He/Him] Gnome - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[She/Her] Spooky Space Kook|Kook - UTC
[He/Him] Technicolor Phantom|Tech - UTC
[He/Him] Char Gar Gothakon|CGG - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[They/Them] Hyde Monster - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC
[He/Him] Ghost Bear - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC

scum

i feel decently confident about my top half being town, basically down to char. if im wrong up there, id bet on it being one of san or pazzo just because that would make me the most mad, but im not anywhere close to being ready to go down those roads yet

bottom half things get a bit murkier. i need to iso snow ghost because ive gotten some weird feelings about him today, but for now im just sticking him in the middle. woodsman and snow creature feel like they trended up for me today so they wound up kind of in the middle too.

neon i liked his stuff today that i saw, hyde maybe hasnt been around as much as i'd hoped for, skunk just ended up down there due to lack of content, same with wax but id be more inclined to vote him for it, and then finally the two ghosts, one of bear and one of stan, both of whom i think look sus here.

fine with my vote on stan still for now. i should be here once i wake up through to eod. i could def see my vote swinging to a few different places still depending on how things go.

ok, thats it from me for tonight

meow

Okay sure I'll type something up. I'll typer something more in depth for day 3 start but for now I'll just split into 3 broad groups.

People I feel broadly good about

San
Pazzo
Snack
Cat
Lighting
Kook
Yourself
Tech

People I'm largely undecided on

Gnome
BooBeard
Wax and Hyde (based solely on the Masons claim)

People I feel broadly bad about

CCG
both Snows
Stan
Yaga
Bear
Woodsman
Skunk

Day Three Reads

I'm just going to link to Baba's post, I gave up trying to fix the spoilers fucking up my attempt to quote.
This was the Gnomey part.

In particular I've not taken note of @Pazzo the Ghost Clown, @Spooky Space Kook and @Gnome, who all on their own had a presence and I feel like I should have a read on them, but I don't. If I have the time I will look into these.

Reads list here in the usual order of people I feel the best about at the top and worst at the bottom, anyone in the middleish area can be interchanged pretty easily



[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC & [They/Them] Hyde Monster - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Scooby Snack Monster|Snack - UTC
[He/Him] Char Gar Gothakon|CGG - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Cat Creature - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Gnome - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[He/Him] Baba Yaga - UTC
[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC

I'm just going to post it without comment to start with because I'm on phone and trying to review this and also read stuff and also write is a mess and a half.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

But, if you're JMan - and this is a bit meta - why do you not want to get rid of a neutral now vs you being adamant about it in the last mafia game? Especially since this could potentially be a very similar situation with an arsonist.

I dont think Geno is the arsonist. It's very possible he is but this is a 24 player game slander the odds of having 2 neutral players is high.

I am not anti neutral in general. I have shown past willingness to work with them and will due so in the future. Blarg was a specific case were I thought it was safest to kill him that specific day. (Leep in mind the day before we also knew Blarg was neutral and I was fine keeping him alive that day while we hunted others.)

Tldr: the timing was right to kill blarg that day. The timing might be right for Geno but I felt it could have waited.

And just remind me again, who are your primary reads? Have you not got a vote on one of them to put pressure on?

Woodsman
[Redacted]
[Redacted]

Want more time to watch the other two dont wanna share name right now.

A vote on anyone besides CGG is pointless. There will be Zero pressure we all know who does today.

 

[Alien]

And let's take Alien as an example. You've voted there. What's the case? Where's your depth and investigative eye? That sounds catty, but I mean it. If that's where you want to vote and draw other people in that direction, what's your argument?

I need to look at you in more depth, but I don't remember you ever really building arguments like that. Maybe that's not your style, but if you can covince me on Alien then go for it.

I'd like to hear the case against me too. I kinda have a feeling about what it's based on but I don't really wanna go down that road until I actually hear Sans' argument.

 

[Woodsman]

So, are we just running down the clock?

 

[San Franpsycho]

And let's take Alien as an example. You've voted there. What's the case? Where's your depth and investigative eye? That sounds catty, but I mean it. If that's where you want to vote and draw other people in that direction, what's your argument?

I need to look at you in more depth, but I don't remember you ever really building arguments like that. Maybe that's not your style, but if you can covince me on Alien then go for it.

I'm not trying to convince you on Alien. I'm asking Alien to explain some things, the same as you.

Is there a reason you can't just answer my question and instead decided to go into defense mode explaining about your skills instead of your choices?

 

[San Franpsycho]

I would also maybe view voting out a neutral not so much as anti-scum hunting but more pro-town surviving, if that makes sense. It's still a net gain.

This I agree with.

 

[San Franpsycho]

So, are we just running down the clock?

I don't know, are you going to weigh in on... anything? Ever?

 

[San Franpsycho]

@Snow Creature, if you want to engage in actual good faith, then one thing you could do is explain how you weighed things in individual reads - like why for example my engagement with Gnome's claim is ignored but Pazzo's isn't, in the example I gave already, but there are several other places where there are similar things and you only seem to privilege or engage one while hand-waving the other.

I'm also curious how your approach, which was the same as Scoobs' yesterday, builds or adds to what Scoobs was doing. Did you read Scoobs' post?

I feel like "wail! leave me alone! I'm not a good mafia player!" is a pretty flimsy shield - you did the thing, now stand by it or don't.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I'm taking my kiddo horseback riding today (it's going to be a disaster) so I will be gone for a while, but will be before EoD.

 

[BooBeard]

My mentor shared a cool link from another site that had a mentorship and it has some good info in it.

I can give you the link when the game is over.

That would be awesome. I'll hold you to that when the game is over.

 

[Baba Yaga]

What does the term "being on an island" mean?

 

[Baba Yaga]

What does the term "being on an island" mean?

Is there some specific mafia context to it? Why have I never heard it before in this community?

Gnome described Char as one. BooBeard used it a bit later to describe Char too, could be a usual acquisition of language, could be that scum chat used that way more often? The last one to use it, was Snow Creature in regards to Captain. Is it some signalling?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I'm taking my kiddo horseback riding today (it's going to be a disaster) so I will be gone for a while, but will be before EoD.

Way too scary for me.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Like a horse can kill me anytime it wants too.

 

[Snow Ghost]

ok the reads that were promised part one of too many

BooBeard

Char was on an island Day 1 and seems to continue to draw some ire today. Gnome defending them is interesting, but could be nothing. I'm continuing to keep an eye on Char.

The Char and Gnome feels are concerning if Char flips scum, could be scum setting up a reason for a bus. If Char flips scum I'd be interested in looking into this, given that the Char suspicion continues after this post but it never becomes the train of choice for Boo until today. The Ghost Bear -> Skunk transition feels a bit iffy to me in hindsight, it doesn't feel fully natural to me and is instead almost like Boo is acting out a plan (a plan to avoid putting pressure on Char?). Should re-evaluate D1 end after the flip too. Minor scum lean.

Lightning Strikes

META READ: minor to moderate town lean. Is present enough and wild enough to be town. Keeps talking even when he could coast, what I see as a good meta sign. If Char flips red, I like the posts against him on Dwhatever. Ghost Bear day so that was...D2? The certainty about Ghost Bear flipping town is a bit odd but perhaps not odd enough to concern me that much. Ok, the aggro defense about his D2 antics is META town. Oh and Gnome shaded him so town it is.

Neon Phantom

Curious. Minor town lean to bottom POE material. Could be scum but I am not feeling it at this point. Gun to my head: town. The inquisitiveness feels sincere.

Woodsman

Somewhat positive if Char flips red. Belay that, he flips to defend Char instead. He spends the first two or so days suspecting Char and then flips around because of the gossip claim. Notable recent contributions include showing dislike about topics of discussion while providing little to none of his own. Minor scum lean but I am holding the "scum would be more self-conscious, right?" -card on my hand. Bah, could just be a mistake from him, matters not.

holeee fuq even that took long ffs it'll be winter before I am done with this

 

[Neon Phantom]

What does the term "being on an island" mean?

Is there some specific mafia context to it? Why have I never heard it before in this community?

Gnome described Char as one. BooBeard used it a bit later to describe Char too, could be a usual acquisition of language, could be that scum chat used that way more often? The last one to use it, was Snow Creature in regards to Captain. Is it some signalling?

I stumbled on the Gnome->Char case rereading Gnome too because my natural read of it was "all on their own" (so a defense, he seems on his own so he's unlikely to have a team so he's unlikely to be scum), but that didn't make sense in the context used (which continued to talk about him as a vote target) so I read it in context as "flip unlikely to lead anywhere due to lack of connections"

I hadn't realised other people had used it too.

It's not a turn of phrase I've clocked before (and that wouldn't explain Boo using it anyway if he's new) but as I subconsciously rationalise that stuff out I probably wouldn't be the most observant of it.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Looking into Gnome from the beginning and

Spoiler

This interaction:

meow

you stop that right meow

meow meow meow meow meow   meow meow meow meow meow   meow meow meow meow meow   meow      meow      meow

meow      meow      meow   meow                meow   meow                meow   meow      meow      meow

meow      meow      meow   meow meow meow meow meow   meow                meow   meow      meow      meow

meow      meow      meow   meow                       meow                meow   meow      meow      meow

meow      meow      meow   meow meow meow meow meow   meow meow meow meow meow   meow meow meow meow meow

gives me scum vibes. yes d1, all having fun, bla bla

But I've come across scum interactions early game a few times most memorable was Bar Mafia in that regard (please don't read it, it was a hard hard game, shout-out to Cabot and Kawl, also still love you nin)
and at this point I won't ignore my intuition anymore.

Liked this reaction to it. Kook just feels kind of natural here.
Did not much care for this, and it just comes across as an attempt to paint what Kook is doing as role fishing when I really don’t think that was the intention.

Kook feels natural? Light defense even.

Yeah I'm kind of not seeing it with Alien either. I feel like Anthos wouldn't come out the gate with that if he was scum, but I've seen weirder shit, so I'm still pending with that one. Was not really vibing with his recent post.

Am a fan of this post though and I would agree with the good vibes from Paz and Snosty

Soft push against Anthos. Pazzo and "Snosty" (am I reading too much into this abbreviation?) ~ Snow Ghost as town.

So far I’ve got good gut feelings about San, Gnome and SSM

I just think it's better to off someone else than kill an inactive.

Gnome was against looking at inactives, could tell us about the team he is with.
Gnome was a really big proponent behind the Anthos lynch.

I like Snack, Hyde, Frankenstein, Woodsman, Gnome and San Fran. They feel town leaning to me.

Boo drops a town read on Gnome.

What's the case on our boy Boo?
Anthos didn't really give me much on his return here, so I'm thinking of just voting there at the moment.
The Char vote just feels like a trap to me.

Boo and Gnome used the "he is on an island here" which is very weird too me.
Gnome defends Sans start of D2.

Lightning, Scoobs, Gnome probably good. Maybe Pazzo. Maybe Snow Ghost but fluff can cover a lot and there's a lot of fluff in those posts.

Sans said it is pretty obvious who Gnome was and gives him a town read.

Pazzo also ranking Gnome as town.

Not a fan of this at all. Feels like posturing. The case was there even if you want to pretend it wasn't. Dude did some sketchy shit, left, and spent all his time when he was back mostly just talking about himself. It's only obvious he's town if you already know what his flip most likely was.

Aside from this I agree with Kook in that those Ghost Bear posts look real bad. It's making me nervous about the Boo vote that seems to be springing up again.

Yeah, he attacks Stan for looking at Anthos voters and fears a Boo vote. In that regard Gnome and Sans are working together.
Snow C puts a light town, but watching on Gnome

Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment,

So who's the scum.

And a vote on Stan. I do come away with thinking a bus on Stan is unlikely.

As someone who's been on quite a few scum teams, this is not true.

Another sign that scum may be inactive.

Woodsman and Gnome I'm not entirely sure about but mostly feel good. They feel like people working on things, they're not shy about putting forth opinions and interacting with people.

If this isn't a faked scum read on a mate, I don't know what is.
Problem is there is more interaction between the two, have to look into it.

@Snow Creature I remember not loving his posts at EoD, but I thought the meowing thing was more likely to be town and scum. I think he’s done a solid job today also. I like the work he’s putting in.

Aye, Cat is town in Gnome's eyes. Meow. I differ from Snack here, that makes me more wary of Cat.

Also Gnome pushing the Hyde wagon, strengthens Hyde's position in my eyes.

Was his late vote on Lightning done in the expectation that nobody would follow?

On his way out Gnome posts a wifom list and Captain gets flak for being inactive, in line with his activity mentions from before, I think that could be real frustration.

So what do I take away here?

As has been said before the masons look even better.

I'm torn on the late Lightning push D2, paranoia has me thinking Gnome knew there would be no traction, so he used it as distancing?

I differ from Snack's view in that he would look into Stan, while I feel better about him. I will reread the discussion between them again, Stan gave in really quick and the talk faded out, mhm. Snack also thought Cat is safe, while I don't think so, meh.

Worse feelings about Kook and the Boo charade

What caught my eye were Sans interaction/co-working with Gnome and Neon's read (will look over this next phase).

As I said earlier there are quite a few people giving out town reads on Gnome without any explanation:
Captain, BooBeard, Sans, Pazzo, Snow Creature
There is scum among these 5.

This list was already brought up from Gnome's posts.
Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat
There is scum among these 4.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Yep, I definitely feel the worst about Sans after this Gnome flip.

 

[Hyde Monster]

Popping quickly in, been swamped and sneeked by work.

I feel less positive about Gar!Geno after that survivor claim. If he was actually the survivor, he would have claimed that first.

Agreed with others that today has become a waste, no pressure on anyone else.

 

[Baba Yaga]

For example, you mention very little of the substance of my questioning Gnome's claim, but give credit to Pazzo, who did less

Are you really arguing that you questioned the red checked "dog sniffer" claim substantially? You want credit for it? What is this?

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Woodsman

Somewhat positive if Char flips red. Belay that, he flips to defend Char instead. He spends the first two or so days suspecting Char and then flips around because of the gossip claim. Notable recent contributions include showing dislike about topics of discussion while providing little to none of his own. Minor scum lean but I am holding the "scum would be more self-conscious, right?" -card on my hand. Bah, could just be a mistake from him, matters not.

holeee fuq even that took long ffs it'll be winter before I am done with this

I think most people are right there with you on Woodsman which is why we haven't really been pushing it too hard yet. There's nothing that feels towny about Woodsman to me, which is why I'm suspicious but it really does feel like scum would want to start trying to push things around at this point

 

[Baba Yaga]

@Hyde Monster
Can you give me a quick run down of your state of mind outside of Char's lynch? Did Gnome's flip change your perception of the game?

 

[Hyde Monster]

@Hyde Monster
Can you give me a quick run down of your state of mind outside of Char's lynch? Did Gnome's flip change your perception of the game?

No, not really. Gnome was firmly on the "potential coastscum" category, so they being red-checked (even if that check ended up being more luck, it seems) didn't surprise me at all.

 

[Hyde Monster]

That said, I haven't had time to go and re-read his interactions to draw my own conclusions.

 

[Snow Ghost]

but it really does feel like scum would want to start trying to push things around at this point

I disagree. If we are wrong about Char, coasting and minor reads are all that scum need right now. Getting this wrong is baaaaaad in quite many ways. And it ain't even like scum are in a horrible position if we are right about Char, the general POE is not that strong I feel like. We still lack direction, which in my opinion will eventually be the death of us. There's the arsonist too, who knows how much that'll fuck us up.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Woodsman and Gnome I'm not entirely sure about but mostly feel good. They feel like people working on things, they're not shy about putting forth opinions and interacting with people.

I think this post was a good catch and worth looking at. Woodsman did give a few reads on the day that this was posted, but when I look closer at the post that this comes from you had Woodsman and Gnome at the bottom of your reads list. And then you just never interacted with Woodsman after that. How do you feel about him currently?

 

[Baba Yaga]

lmao nah, you jumped straight to fake over switch or redirect or anything else, come on. You're scum, and scum team has some kind of switch which is why you didn't think of it here. Scum probably really does have some identity role, RIP Geno and jman. Should have claimed arsonist lol

So Sans wants credit for this posts. Let's give it to her. She called out the scum switch before there was even the slightest sign of a switcher. Wonder how that happened, huh?

I don't even understand the argumentation. If there is a switcher I'd be more inclined to think of it when faking my claim, especially when I am the switcher and avoid any connections to others anyway (like in Gnome's position).

 

[Baba Yaga]

Vote: San Franpsycho

Nothing to see here, just voting my scumread continuing to construe my fake OMGUS

 

[San Franpsycho]

Are you really arguing that you questioned the red checked "dog sniffer" claim substantially? You want credit for it? What is this?

No, what I actually want to know is why Pazzo gets credit for doing even less. How does SC out of that with a townread on Pazzo for “going against the claim” when he pretty much just said “nah.” I don’t think this is an obnoxious question. I want SC to back up those reads with actual logic, thought, connection… anything but “idk I guess this

Baba to me before: work with people!

Take your own advice, too.

We didn’t get Gnome through hunting. We got him through a gambit that could have gone horribly wrong. We are, I suspect, about to get Char through ONE theory. In both cases, the players immediately self destructed or we might not have them at all. At this time it’s prudent to actually come together and talk through things. This means pushing on reads to look for weak spots. Pushing on reads is not an automatic scumread. But y’all flip out when people do this, like throwing a bunch of posts together and looking like you spent time on it is an automatic town tell. It’s lazy play. It’s maddening. If you actually look at what Snow C put together, it makes very little sense and his reaction to being questioned is terrible. But I guess emotional pleas are only bad when Boo does them? Or when done on d1?

Ridiculous.

Here’s what I think: Snow C is making very safe reads with sloppy methods and is not actually paying much attention to anything but what looks good. Snow C townreads Pazzo because the prevailing feeling in the thread is that Pazzo is town because of a big post and several small drunk posts. No one is worried about Pazzo so Snow C didn’t worry either.

There are more holes but this is the most obvious one and I’m not typing more on mobile while standing in the sun.

 

[Snow Creature]

Looking into Gnome from the beginning and

lol it's funny you should mention the thing with Captain, in my notes I picked out this comment:

I've been on a scum team with someone who clearly wasn't bothering to actually read the scum chat once. You're going to get people who are phoning it in regardless of alignment.

And thought it'd be funny if they were talking about this game.

Popping quickly in, been swamped and sneeked by work.

I feel less positive about Gar!Geno after that survivor claim. If he was actually the survivor, he would have claimed that first.

Agreed with others that today has become a waste, no pressure on anyone else.

And like I think Neon said, it doesn't line up with the N1 chat claim with Tech. If they're survivor, it means they're likely neutral, which would have killed Tech.

I disagree. If we are wrong about Char, coasting and minor reads are all that scum need right now. Getting this wrong is baaaaaad in quite many ways. And it ain't even like scum are in a horrible position if we are right about Char, the general POE is not that strong I feel like. We still lack direction, which in my opinion will eventually be the death of us. There's the arsonist too, who knows how much that'll fuck us up.

Okay, why don't we try to centre ourselves. I hate to use the term "town core" because that's so meta-gamey, but you're right in that town needs to find a way to pull in the same direction together. Where would we start?

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Last post from me, good luck town, hope you win despite me being salty.

Don’t go around being salty for your own unforced errors. Claiming a role that contradicts existing town claims is your own fault, you can’t come back in hours later and say you misread it. Even if you WERE town, which you’ve now admitted you aren’t, that would be on YOU and not your team. This is true for everyone, it’s not only a specific player that needs to consider it.

So, are we just running down the clock?

some people are scum hunting. I note that you are not.

Vote: San Franpsycho

Nothing to see here, just voting my scumread continuing to construe my fake OMGUS

what a quick turnaround from your earlier read just last night.

your argument is weak, of course she would consider obvious mafia roles that could affect results. Just night kill her and stop trying to get town to do your work for you.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

I’ve read nothing - in a kayak nd idk if I’ll get home before day end

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

The person I had thinking was town in that previous post was Pazzo; but I forgot it due to his being absent today. I reread him and he has been proactive and also willing to re-evaluate reads as needed. For the future, it may be notable that he has picked out a whole lot of town to attack, but currently I’m not scum reading him, it seems to just be bad reads. Can revisit another day but is a light town lean for me.

 

[Neon Phantom]

I think this post was a good catch and worth looking at. Woodsman did give a few reads on the day that this was posted, but when I look closer at the post that this comes from you had Woodsman and Gnome at the bottom of your reads list. And then you just never interacted with Woodsman after that. How do you feel about him currently?

They weren't at the bottom of my reads list, they were at the bottom of my towny reads list.
That probably makes it worse not better but I am fond of clarity.
Boo was a firm "believe new, but very wary about their approach" below them, and Alien was a flat scum read.
At the time SnowC, Ghost Bear, and Waxy were my actual scum leans and obviously those haven't turned out great either. I feel a bit better about SnowC now, Bear was town, and Wax is probably a mason (I say probably because until one of the masons turns up dead I will continue to wonder)
(Independent of the masonry my reads on them now would be a town lean on Hyde and null on Wax, so I'm not particularly interested in looking at him again and not just because reading those posts would be painful, but it would be funny in an awful way if they just made an incredibly bold fake claim and everyone looked the other way about it).

So.
My Gnome/Woodsman read.

Obviously my Gnome read has aged badly.
My Char one has too. Believe me, I know I need to re-evaluate. Working out where to start led to me trying to reread the entire game and that just led to me getting bogged down.

Has my Woodsman read aged badly too?
God knows.

At the time I made it Woodsman had been posting relatively freely. Bit of shitposting, some gut reads, called Boo's lightning vote out as being iffy, and pegged Lightning's opening post as dodgy and a bit manipulative, and considering that opening mask off was one I didn't believe at the time (still don't entirely, though it's more convincing now) I leaned their way.

They opened D2 well too, saying they believed Boo D1 about being new (as I did), but that protection was now expired and they wanted to see what happened next, a feeling I shared. Nothing actually happened with that, but I didn't push it either.

How do I feel about them now?

Since then we had the red check and this thing with Char.
He came in after the red check, he thought there were inconsistences in Snacks claim as presented (there were), he agreed with me when I said I didn't like that the explanations for that were for later.
Not liking how everyone got swept into the Char theory seems consistent with their reaction to everyone being swept along with the Snacks/Gnome check.

I find myself agreeing with what looks to me like a suspicious approach to looking at things.
I'm vaguely aware that I'm effectively agreeing with someone who agreed with me and that's stupid.
But you know what, despite that giving us the best possible result, it was fake, so was being wary entirely wrong?

His posting level has dropped and I'm not particularly comfortable with the fact there's no action there, but pot kettle black.

 

[Cat Creature]

I'm caught up and here but don't feel like I have much to add, I'd like to see the Char flip the most still and then go from there.

 

[Woodsman]

I feel so useless without any vote data to analyze. There's only D1 that gives any information, but even that is kind of pointless without knowing more about the wagons.

I'm terrible at this game...

 

[Woodsman]

Day 2 could be interesting to look back, since the Char Gar train almost took off, but if he flips neutral it won't really be that informative either.

 

[Snow Ghost]

part two of please stop

Captain Skunkbeard

A rather-to-very weak META READ: town. Far from being enough to call Neo Skunk town as the history of contributions just ain't there right now. Wouldn't let into endgame but when it comes to an alignment call...I don't know. There is just so little that everything is possible. I'd guess town, because scum would care just a bit more. Just a guess though, nothing more.

Baba Yaga

Didn't plan to read Babs until later, the big posters are a pain to go through. The recent posts made me reconsider this, because green META BELLS are ringing in my head. Confident enough to call him my top town, I believe all the fighting, pushing and solving is real. I like the content, but I'll admit that I have not read the great San versus Baba mess, too much aggro blah blah blah to my tastes.

Alien

The D1 move is brave but the rest is just coasting. When I think about voting here, I can already imagine some people posting the "ah yes this is a good example why you need to town tell *adjusts glasses*" -posts in spec thread. And that's what I wish Alien would do. oh that is pretty much what I wrote some days ago lol, just got to that post on the ISO. Content ends, final thoughts: somewhat minor scum lean. The silence and passivity just barely shades the townie signs that I am seeing.

Spooky Space Kook

I remember so little about her. The arsonist? Rather inoffensive really. If Char flips red, that D2(?) vote against him feels relatively green to me. The reasoning for it on the day after ain't that green though, just doing things for the sake of doing things. Acting, not solving. Minor scum lean even if Char flips green because I see no reason to town read her.

ok humour me a bit:

Oh god no

teehee it is i the arsonist and i am happy that i hit my target :D

Did anyone get doused on N1?

ok but really why no gas n1 :(

And FWIW, I was never visited by our douser or Technicolor

must remember to avoid the word "arsonist" that way nobody can accuse me of knowing too much :)

Yeah that some good paranoid stuff there me, well done. Real arsonist, please tell me if you enjoyed this theory by quoting this post thanks.

 

[Snow Ghost]

Okay, why don't we try to centre ourselves. I hate to use the term "town core" because that's so meta-gamey, but you're right in that town needs to find a way to pull in the same direction together. Where would we start?

I'd take a look at those who coasted through the downtime. Town attempts to (or is supposed to) solve even in silence whereas scum either coast by or attempt to look like they are solving. Hell, reverse the whole thinking, start with those who showcased sufficient solving capabilities during downtime - those are more likely to be town than not. The rest is "just" about discerning the differences between townies and baddies; coasters versus inactives and scum fakers versus town dummies. Won't hit everybody with this idea but at least it is a start.

Some of this comes from my own shite work, I can't understand the flow of the game if I don't have my head on straight. It might be that I am overexaggerating things but this game so far has felt like a somewhat easy game for scum. There's just no tension and so the greatest threat to scum is the unpredictability of town, which hits for every three misses it makes.

Today is set in stone and I think tomorrow is a big day for everyone. Coordinating reads and making town cores is cool and all if someone wants to do it, but I know I don't have the time for it. Do you want to do it? Can't really form a core around a person of suspicion like you, but perhaps you could analyze where the general POE is, who's getting all the town reads and why, and other stuff like that. That's good town work if done right.