Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

[Snow Ghost]

Please somebody try to explain to my why both scum coincidentally listed those two specific players as town, one of the. One of them is scum I'm sure of it.

And again both scum had very little interest in the BooBeard situation.

It's extremely interesting that neither felt the need to jump on what was looking like a fairly easy vote on Day 1.

Both of the flipped scum are capable of playing good scum games and know that WIFOM like that makes town town around. Were they gaslighting greens, or did they want you to think like that, who knows. The point is that only they know what it meant and it could be that all they wanted was to confuse you.

The possible stack of five townies on Boo is curious, I do agree. Anthos' train was also completely static besides Cat, so once seats got taken there, scum might've felt the need to spread around a bit. Gnome went there early and while that might've dissuaded other scum from joining him, most people already had votes down at that point. Would need to analyze the vote consolidation and movement to deduce more.

 

[San Franpsycho]

This vote on me is gonna get zero traction.

Will you switch before end of day or just ride this vote on me?

Are you gonna just keep vote bouncing without talking much about it? look to thine own self

 

[Neon Phantom]

This vote on me is gonna get zero traction.

Will you switch before end of day or just ride this vote on me?

Not actually sure yet.

 

[Snow Ghost]

Woody's today felt quite detached and even one-dimensional to me. The Hyde thing and the talk about not voting, just no. And the Snow C bit feels a bit forced too. I am surprisingly hopeful about this one.

in before ARSONIST

 

[San Franpsycho]

The vote sheet isn't updated but as far as I can tell, I'm a counterwagon to someone who has ghosted half the game and who reeks of scum.



this isn't what i meant when I said i loved wagons!

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Are you gonna just keep vote bouncing without talking much about it?

Yes

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Sorry folks had to drive out for a gasp in person meeting. About to drive home but I think I’ll get back with like ~15 to spare plz quote and tag me in stuff I need to quickly respond to before day end. Bad timing over here

 

[Aeleus]

Woodsman - 4
Sans - 3
Spooky Space Kook - 2
Snow Creature - 2
Lightning Strikes - 1

 

[San Franpsycho]

I bet it was a meeting that could have been an e-mail.

I am standing firm. I see those Kook votes but think Woodsman is the better bet not only because of his play, but because it gives us a lens to continue to evaluate Kook. If Woodsman flips mafia, I feel like it just cinches that something is going on with her. And it feels like there's just been a lot of generally hemming and hawing over Woodsman. I mean, how many people scumread him, and yet.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Yes

How do you actually feel about the trains you're hopping between.

Your feelings on Woodsman have vacillated between "I would kill woodsman in a heartbeat" and "woodsman has looked better as time goes on"

I can't actually find a read from you on Kooks.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

i feel like no one town reads woodsman, so i'll be pretty suspicious of anyone who causes a swing away from him if he doesn't get voted out today

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Sorry I kind of dropped off there. Work got really busy all of a sudden and I didn't have time to create the full San breakdown I wanted to, but I'll still be around till EoD

 

[Alien]

Woodsman just feels like another Ghost Bear to me. It's making me nervous.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Woodsman just feels like another Ghost Bear to me. It's making me nervous.

imo that's exactly how i would play it if i were mafia in this game. there's no good defense of woodsman, so just make everyone think it's too quiet just like with ghost bear. nobody had any defense of woods earlier in the day so how come you're reluctant now? why didn't you make a case for town woodsman in the past 47.5 hours?

 

[San Franpsycho]

Woodsman just feels like another Ghost Bear to me. It's making me nervous.

Nah. This is a red flag. This is the prelude to someone yelling some shit like "dead air dead villager!" which is never the case with multiple wagons like this OR this late in the game and even the comparison is bullshit. GB did nothing; GB got got for doing nothing and everyone was up front about that. It was absolutely a collective "this person is coasting and can be scum" and is reasonable on d2.

Woodsman is not coasting. Woodsman has been involved. The problem is the WAY he has been involved, the way he has slipped in and out, engaged very selectively, and ghosted strategically.

Nope. I categorically reject this. The whole situation is completely different.

 

[Alien]

imo that's exactly how i would play it if i were mafia in this game. there's no good defense of woodsman, so just make everyone think it's too quiet just like with ghost bear. nobody had any defense of woods earlier in the day so how come you're reluctant now? why didn't you make a case for town woodsman in the past 47.5 hours?

I'm not? I'm more than happy with that vote.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

I'm not? I'm more than happy with that vote.

but you just compared him to a dead town player & said his vote made you nervous? i thought you were implying that woods, like ghost bear, is town... if not then what were you trying to say?

 

[Neon Phantom]

I'm not? I'm more than happy with that vote.

You're happy with the vote that's making you nervous because it reminds you of dead town?
Interesting flip flop.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Woodsman just feels like another Ghost Bear to me. It's making me nervous.

I'm not? I'm more than happy with that vote.

the fuck?

 

[San Franpsycho]

Dang it, I was too slow.

 

[Snow Creature]

Yeah to be fair, Woodsman has made it hard for their scum mates to mount a defence because they've not really given much at all.

 

[San Franpsycho]

and yet fuckery finds a way

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote:San Franpsycho

 

[Alien]

If Woodsman flips town It's THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO as Ghost Bear. I support the vote in principal but I'm still fucking nervous about it because I don't want us to fuck up.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

If Woodsman flips town It's THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO as Ghost Bear. I support the vote in principal but I'm still fucking nervous about it because I don't want us to fuck up.

In what way is it the exact same scenario?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

If Woodsman flips town It's THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO as Ghost Bear. I support the vote in principal but I'm still fucking nervous about it because I don't want us to fuck up.

I don't agree even if they are both town this situation is clearly different.

 

[San Franpsycho]

If Woodsman flips town It's THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO as Ghost Bear. I support the vote in principal but I'm still fucking nervous about it because I don't want us to fuck up.

The vote is tied. It is LITERALLY NOT THE SAME.

With the literal meaning of literally here.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

I really expected to see more Woodsman votes at EoD with the amount that everyone's been scumreading him. If town gets voted out over him and then I die HE IS SCUM. Just getting that on record.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Hmm, suddenly lots of vote hopping. Sans has managed to at least make me better understand her viewpoint while Woodsman just continued to exist. Smells fishy honestly.

VOTE: Woodsman

 

[Snow Ghost]

you're a braver man than I am Lightning, well done

If Woodsman flips town It's THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO as Ghost Bear. I support the vote in principal but I'm still fucking nervous about it because I don't want us to fuck up.

Do explain the similarities.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Anyone want to swing vote to alien with me?

 

[Alien]

In what way is it the exact same scenario?

Are you being obtuse. If Woodsman is being honest they're Vanilla. They haven't posted much at all. Same as Ghost Bear. Or am I out of my mind?

 

[Alien]

Oh please do. I'd be happy to get out of this game

 

[Snow Creature]

If Woodsman flips town It's THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO as Ghost Bear. I support the vote in principal but I'm still fucking nervous about it because I don't want us to fuck up.

I get your anxiety about it. With three town dead at the start of this day, we can't really mess this up.

I'm nervous too, and I'm like 100% sure Woodsman's going to flip scum lol

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Anyone want to swing vote to alien with me?

Why do you not seem to give a fuck about the outcome here lol

 

[Alien]

You're gonna fuck it up anyway

 

[Neon Phantom]

Anyone want to swing vote to alien with me?

Anyone want to swing vote to Lightning with me?

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Anyone want to swing vote to alien with me?

Why Alien?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Why do you not seem to give a fuck about the outcome here lol

I care about the outcome a lot.

 

[Alien]

Lightning has been playing real strange today

 

[San Franpsycho]

Anyone want to swing vote to alien with me?

No. I want to follow through the work that has been done today and then figure out why ALL OF YOU ARE SO RELUCTANT TO VOTE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SPOUTED FUR AND FANGS AND THEN BOUNCED OUT THE THREAD

Look at what Woodsman has done this game? What in the name of absolute fuckery is this?!

 

[Lightning Strikes]

You're gonna fuck it up anyway

What does this mean? Your saying you know both trains are town?

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Anyone want to swing vote to Lightning with me?

I mean he is all over the place, but there has been tons of vote movement in general since I last popped in - nah, I think we need the Woodsman flip it'll give the most info at this point. We need to know if any of this is scum trying to scramble us into making a bad choice.

 

[Alien]

What does this mean? Your saying you know both trains are town?

Get a grip mate. Seriously

 

[San Franpsycho]

Why Alien?

I mean, I don't agree with a last minute swing, but I am reading the thread. Are you trying to say what Alien is doing is reasonable here?

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

lightning and alien are both acting super weird and i would be up for carefully looking into either of them. TOMORROW.

 

[Alien]

Alright

Vote: Woodsman

 

[Snow Creature]

Yall giving me real

energy right now

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Alien is bugging super hard. Very Suspect

 

[San Franpsycho]

lightning and alien are both acting super weird and i would be up for carefully looking into either of them. TOMORROW.

if y'all don't want to listen to me can you at least listen to this man, who has less of a vested interest than I do

jfc

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

I mean, I don't agree with a last minute swing, but I am reading the thread. Are you trying to say what Alien is doing is reasonable here?

No, I think it's pretty weird. But, I want lightning to try and give us a reason for one of these votes they're bouncing around on

 

[San Franpsycho]

No, I think it's pretty weird. But, I want lightning to try and give us a reason for one of these votes they're bouncing around on

This is the most reasonable one he's tried lol

where you been

 

[Alien]

I'm glad I've given you all a legitimate reason to scumread me rather than 'HeS tOo qUiEt'.

 

[Alien]

Being Nervous about a vote 'WHAT A SCUMMY MOVE'

 

[Snow Ghost]

I'm glad I've given you all a legitimate reason to scumread me rather than 'HeS tOo qUiEt'.

It is great that you are having so much fun that you want to make it even more fun for the rest of us. Thanks.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

not to say that i town read san fran necessarily. it's more the swing away from woodsman that seemed really suspect just now. she'll be on my poe list tomorrow, esp if woods flips town, but imo that's not likely to happen.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Your feelings on Woodsman have vacillated between "I would kill woodsman in a heartbeat" and "woodsman has looked better as time goes on"

Both these things are currently true.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

if y'all don't want to listen to me can you at least listen to this man, who has less of a vested interest than I do

jfc

Yeah, if this swerved so hard it landed on a completely different person than has remotely been in contention I think I might facepalm myself into oblivion.

No, I think it's pretty weird. But, I want lightning to try and give us a reason for one of these votes they're bouncing around on

I mean, to be fair Lightning has frequently just jumped onto wagons with what, I assume, is general agreement with the person that just made and argument and voted prior to his vote. This one is just really chaotic and at a suspect time.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote:Unvote

 

[Neon Phantom]

Alien is self destructing and Lightning has Schrodinger's reads.

Fine, I guess I'll take those as something I got from hesitating on this.

Vote: Woodsman

 

[Aeleus]

Day 5 Ends

 

[Alien]

If Woodsman flips town Sans is scum.

 

[Aeleus]

[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC		(7 votes)
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
[She/Her] Spooky Space Kook|Kook - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC		(2 votes)
[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC		(1 vote)
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[She/Her] Spooky Space Kook|Kook - UTC		(1 vote)
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC		(0 votes)
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC		(0 votes)
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC		(0 votes)
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC		(0 votes)
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC		(0 votes)
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC

 

[Aeleus]

Woodsman has died!

You are the Woodsman: your true identity is Fred Jones, aligned with The Meddling Kids (MAFIA)

Following a tip from a 'Mr. E' the gang discovered a night club where past baddies were planning the gang's downfall, after trapping Ranger Knudsen (fake flavour claim) and taking their costume you were ready to infiltrate and take down this scheme from the inside.

You had so many great trap ideas but the gang said all you needed to do was blend in, you are a Vanilla Goon

You have no special power or ability but can still vote!

You share a faction kill with your team that you may perform once per night with the command kill: <PLAYER NAME>.

You win when the Meddling Kids controls 50% of the votes and all threats to the Meddling Kids have been eliminated.

Night 5 Ends in:

Actions lock 2 hours before day start

 

[Aeleus]

actions lock in 2 hours

 

[Aeleus]

actions are locked

 

[Aeleus]

The Ghost of Stealin Stan has died!

You are The Ghost of Stealin' Stan: your true identity is Stealin' Stan, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

Community service taught you many things, most of all the importance of fire safety under any circumstance, you are the Firefighter

During the night you can use the command Hose Down: <Player> to prevent that player's costume from being doused that night.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Day 6 Begins

Day 6 Ends:

Majority is 6

Vote spreadsheet:

Scooby Doo 2 - voting

docs.google.com

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Well that's not good

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Damn, only ahead of time washing?

vote: alien
thanks for making it fun

 

[San Franpsycho]

Ooooh, a preventative firefighter. That's a tough role.

I was not doused or anything last night. I have some stuff I prepped last night that I'll post in a bit. I was gonna do more today but I tried not to step on my dog and instead injured myself somewhat severely so... I will probably either be asleep for much of tonight or goofy with painkillers, just FYI

 

[BooBeard]

Oof at the flip. That power doesn't seem very strong either.

I’ve done some thread reading on San and Woodsman after Woodsman’s flip. I think I’m prepared to take the L on San and admit that I was wrong for assuming her scum yesterday. In a scenario where both of them would be scum, I don’t buy that Woodsman would have a weird on-and-off bus of Char and then San would follow up with a multi-day bus of Woodsman. That just feels overly complicated to me and results in Mafia thinning their own numbers for dubious reasons. Yeah I know the classic “scum would never” mindset is a dangerous path to go down, but in this case I’m not interested in further pursuing San at this time.

I have a bit of a skeleton of an iso on Woodsman partially typed up, I will follow up with that in a bit.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote:Alien

If Woodsman flips town Sans is scum.

Dont buy this performative BS for a second.

You were clearly bugging at woodsmans death and this is the weakest late vote swing

Alright

Vote: Woodsman

Should have pivoted stronger or held strong to your vote.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

I’m really happy to say goodbye to Lightning too, he put 2 votes on both Kook and Woody and ended up with no vote at all. Looks kinda a failed bus/redirect combo.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

I fully intend to do a vote breakdown from yesterday when time permits if someone doesn't get to it first, but I will be busy basically all evening so expect that tomorrow as an FYI

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I’m really happy to say goodbye to Lightning too, he put 2 votes on both Kook and Woody and ended up with no vote at all. Looks kinda a failed bus/redirect combo.

Woodsman was clearly always my number 1 scum read.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Will break this up into two posts:
Feel good about Snow Ghost, Stan, Skunkbeard, and (mechanically), Wax. (rip Stan)

@Wax Phantom if you're planning on playing at all this game, it's a good time to start. Please?

It is so hard to do vote analysis but I think we had better wagons yesterday compared to Gnome (almost useless) and Char (not great)

Pazzo broke a tie (I think, if I matched correctly) in favor of pushing mafia. He’s had a really uneven presence - good to absent to good again - but this does make me feel better about him. Lightning moving votes does not surprise me but I would really like him to engage with more discussion around votes today. I still hold the same position as discussed with Neon but… less, because there was some odd behavior. Pushing to a tie between mafia and town, however, keeps me leaning town here.

I have no idea what Alien was doing or why. Would really like to hear something about that.

Would love to hear more from the hesitant Woodsman voters about why they didn’t think he was a good vote even though no one really caped for him.

Boo has both made some really unusual posts/pushed uncommon angles that fit really well with the idea of someone new to us but not “new,” but there have also been other moments that leave me less convinced. Cannot pull him out of PoE, but would not be my first concern.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I’m really happy to say goodbye to Lightning too, he put 2 votes on both Kook and Woody and ended up with no vote at all. Looks kinda a failed bus/redirect combo.

What do you think about him pushing a tie (I think) though? Because I wondered about this and then came back to the Lightning tie/Pazzo breaks combo and ended up feeling better about both.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Who’d he wash N1?

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

What do you think about him pushing a tie (I think) though? Because I wondered about this and then came back to the Lightning tie/Pazzo breaks combo and ended up feeling better about both.

Don’t care his reasoning, need the flip.
But after alien who looks worse.

i feel slightly better about Pazzo, whom i have been wishy washy on.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Woodsman being on snowC is wifom but i’m not feeling BETTER about snowC from the day end shenanigans so flip them too.

Kook if you’re the arsonist i’d love to hear it.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Don’t care his reasoning, need the flip.
But after alien who looks worse.

i feel slightly better about Pazzo, whom i have been wishy washy on.

San Franpsycho was my second strongest Townread after stealing Stan.

Ask yourself why would I vote her?


Its very obvious what i was doing.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Here's more analysis, less just me writing up my thoughts.
Now with three mafia down, I went back to look at d1 votes to see how the team arranged themselves. Every one who has flipped was on a different wagon:
Anthos (Gnome)
Char (Woodsman with the power bus)
Wax (Char)

I had to do this in two images because it was too big:

Skunkbeard wagon was absolutely pure from flips. Alien wagon is interesting but I'm not feeling it. BooBeard looks potentially pure (UPDATE: Pure in fact unless we are looking at exactly Snow Ghost), but we may also want to look at the people who left that wagon - if anyone moved to make Anthos happen, it would be in the last few votes, which puts us at Alien and Snow Creature. I have not yet had time to go back and look at those votes; I’ll do it today. If Boo IS scum, we definitely want to look at the people who left that wagon, especially if they went to Anthos, which brings us back to SC).

But it’s unlikely more than one more scum is there and equally likely they were just spread around, which leaves us with:
Snow Ghost
Neon
Lightning
Kook
Pazzo

So that shapes the strongest possibilities, along with Alien and Snow Creature. Also possible someone was hanging around higher on a vote, but that’s Stan, Skunkbeard, etc., and I’m not feeling mafia there personally. I wouldn’t go there without evidence of some sort and this ain’t it. BooBeard possibly, but wouldn’t be my first choice.

Wax is off doing his own thing but he’s pretty cleared so it’s whatever.

So everything really leaves me squinting hardest, still, at Kook and Alien. These two have what I think are consistently the plays, reads, and engagements consistent with non-town. Snow Creature is slightly more distant candidate behind them. I want to focus on these three today, with a side of Lightning, Pazzo, and Neon, but I’m less hot there because I can see good reasons to townread all three.

 

[Snow Creature]

I've been doused.

On the Alien thing, as weird as EOD was yesterday, I'm gonna need a proper breakdown. It doesn't sit right. I know, I know, scum will try anything, but what do they have to gain by trying to push a flip so blatantly with 10 minutes to go?

Bearing in mind, if that were true, they'd be defending Woodsman the goon with no extra power. So they'd tank their own day and die the following day all to save a goon. I'm just not seeing it.

They've been in a similar position to Woodsman the whole game, just sort of on the periphery, so if anyone can bring something a bit more solid, I'll pay attention to it.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Will break this up into two posts:
Feel good about Snow Ghost, Stan, Skunkbeard, and (mechanically), Wax. (rip Stan)

@Wax Phantom if you're planning on playing at all this game, it's a good time to start. Please?

It is so hard to do vote analysis but I think we had better wagons yesterday compared to Gnome (almost useless) and Char (not great)

Pazzo broke a tie (I think, if I matched correctly) in favor of pushing mafia. He’s had a really uneven presence - good to absent to good again - but this does make me feel better about him. Lightning moving votes does not surprise me but I would really like him to engage with more discussion around votes today. I still hold the same position as discussed with Neon but… less, because there was some odd behavior. Pushing to a tie between mafia and town, however, keeps me leaning town here.

I have no idea what Alien was doing or why. Would really like to hear something about that.

Would love to hear more from the hesitant Woodsman voters about why they didn’t think he was a good vote even though no one really caped for him.

Boo has both made some really unusual posts/pushed uncommon angles that fit really well with the idea of someone new to us but not “new,” but there have also been other moments that leave me less convinced. Cannot pull him out of PoE, but would not be my first concern.

Omg slip how'd you know the other wagon was town?!?!?!?

Spoiler

lol

But for real, glad I went with my gut in the moment and didn't just stubbornly dig my heels in. Yesterday's vote should be the most informative of the game thus far. Obviously Alien probably looks the most suspect from it at a glance, but I really want to see the timing of all the movement too.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I've been doused.

On the Alien thing, as weird as EOD was yesterday, I'm gonna need a proper breakdown. It doesn't sit right. I know, I know, scum will try anything, but what do they have to gain by trying to push a flip so blatantly with 10 minutes to go?

Bearing in mind, if that were true, they'd be defending Woodsman the goon with no extra power. So they'd tank their own day and die the following day all to save a goon. I'm just not seeing it.

They've been in a similar position to Woodsman the whole game, just sort of on the periphery, so if anyone can bring something a bit more solid, I'll pay attention to it.

No offense to the dead, but "they would play better than that" is maybe not the strongest defense after we just got scum three days in a row.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Alien and boobeard may just be the last scum, alien trying to always defend teammates while the rest bus.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Omg slip how'd you know the other wagon was town?!?!?!?

Spoiler

lol

lol

Spoiler

in the words of a great person:
"eat me"
-Stantastic, Evergreen

 

[BooBeard]

I’ve looked into Woodsman’s posts, and while there aren’t a ton of them, I did get some new information with the context of the flip. I’ll start with his early reads:

Time for some D1 gut reads:
Kook feels Towny.
Frankie feels Scummy.
Char could use some of those edibles.

Well Frankie was immediately nightkilled after this. Kook feeling towny sticks out to me.

That's a dangerous assumption to make. D1 reads are cheap.

I feel pretty good about Pizza and San Fran at the moment.
Still leaning Town on Kook as well. Although she hasn't had as strong presence today so far I liked her posts.

On another note ,the interaction between Snow Creature and Pizza felt a bit off to me. Maybe they really do think alike, but it felt strange to me how SC tried to highlight how they agreed with the Clown. I could see this being a pocket attempt.

Char hasn't had a huge impact today and I'd be open for a vote there. His push on Wax also seemed kind of strange. I guess it's a continuation of his vote from D1, but he doesn't really advocate it and it feels like he just wants to park his vote somewhere.

More reads here later on, including Pazzo, San and Kook again as town. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of these as scum. Also calls out Snow Creature and busses Char in the same post. I did agree with his point that some of Snow Creature’s earlier posts could be seen as pocketing but I feel like they’ve improved since then. Could be another bus, but it could also just be an easy target to deflect suspicion. I’m leaning to the latter.

Woodsman does a whole iso on Snow Creature:

Time for a reread of Snow Creature:

D1:
Not all that much to see here. There is a little defending of Char:


What stood out to me a bit is his read on Skunkbeard:

He points to the "shtick" as being weird for scum, when I didn't even realize there was a shtick about them. Several others asked what that shtick was as well, so it certainly wasn't that obvious.

D2:
More Skunk discussion:



Here he's throwing slight doubt at the Ghost Bear train, when nearing EoD:


However when new wagons are forming he starts questioning Char specifically and eventually dismisses his previous concern.


In his last post of D2 he again singles out Skunk:


Nothing really noteworthy on D3

D4:
He immediately congratulates Stan on his Scum read of Char and totally had the same thought but didn't write it down.

But later again just a slight defense of Char, maybe to keep this option open:


All in all I can't say this leaves me with a super good feeling. The Char defense is subtle, but it's certainly there. There's also a surprising amount of waffling about Skunkbeards alignment. At first he Town reads him for a shtick that only he even notices, later he wants to put pressure on him for several days but never actually really does it. In the end he again ends up Town reading him after the replacement.
Why is Skunks shtick a Town tell? What did you think of Cat or Wax at that point? Their "shtick" was much more noticeable. What about new Skunk feels Towny? Also what is your read of Skunk now? I'll have to reread Skunk after this.

might as well put my vote down here for now:
vote: Snow Creature

This really doesn’t feel very convincing. Ghost Bear and Char's flips directly contradict the points Woodsman is making about Snow Creature. If it’s an attempt at bussing it’s pretty limp. I think if anything I feel better about Snow Creature now.

In this post Woodsman says who he is suspicious of:

I'd look into Skunkbeard. I could imagine if it's more noticeable if a team mate does something special day 1, which could be why you honed in on him then.
Other than that maybe Alien or Kook, but I'll have to reread more before I can form a conclusion.

Skunkbeard, Alien and Kook, in addition to Snow Creature again. An interesting turn for Kook who had previously been a strong town read by Woodsman. He was certainly very bus happy, so maybe this could be more on Kook.

My final point is that Woodsman, like Gnome before him, really didn't like Lightning:

I didn't like it when he claimed his identity in his first post and stating that secrecy around it would only benefit Scum. He later even amended that statement in the exact opposite direction. His vote on D2 is really strange.


This is a strange post to me. What is the appropriate reaction of a natural innocent town getting falsely accused?


This is also not a good look, now that we know CGGs flip.

He doesn't give a lot of reasons for his reads as well and it looks like he just follows where others are going.
I really don't know what to make of him. It all feels just a bit too obviously scummy.


D3 was going to be Gnome anyway. What's the point of voting a different wagon in that scenario? It's purely performative and serves no purpose. Similar for D4. After the bungled fake claim, there was no doubt that Char would be the vote of the day.

Lightning Strikes push to disclose identity information seemed to me to be a bit manipulative, so I'm not sure if ulteriour motives are involved there. Other than that I still have a scummy feeling about Frankenstein, but I couldn't really explain why.

Gnome and Woodsman jumping on Lightning whenever they got a chance makes me feel better about him.

So overall from the Woodsman flip, I think San looks better, Lightning looks better, Snow Creature looks slightly better, Kook looks worse. Woodsman was very coy about tying himself to others so there's not a ton to go off but there's still some.

If I had to put a vote down now I think I would put it on Kook, but I feel like the floor is somewhat open. I do want to re-read their posts.

 

[Snow Creature]

No offense to the dead, but "they would play better than that" is maybe not the strongest defense after we just got scum three days in a row.

Is that what I said? I was trying to wrap my head around why Alien would risk it all in that position if they were scum? Can you think why?

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

lol

Spoiler

in the words of a great person:
"eat me"
-Stantastic, Evergreen

Lol

 

[BooBeard]

Oh also I am no longer trapped in my apartment, hurray.

I don't have a doorknob on my front door though...

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Is that what I said? I was trying to wrap my head around why Alien would risk it all in that position if they were scum? Can you think why?

I mean the obvious answer is because they DIDN'T want to lose three teammates in a row lol

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Oh also I am no longer trapped in my apartment, hurray.

I don't have a doorknob on my front door though...

How do you get in?

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

If boobeard is scum, that’s 3 teammates on anthos to work to save one on d1. But not unheard of.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Is that what I said? I was trying to wrap my head around why Alien would risk it all in that position if they were scum? Can you think why?

I mean, yeah, that's kinda what you said. Sometimes we forget that people just... fuck up. Look at the last game that ran.

But to really answer your question: I don't know. Maybe self-defeatist. Maybe a ploy to get precisely "but why would scum ever" reaction. Maybe just a play gone bad. Maybe he's actually town, but I am looking for reasons to townread him and I'm not finding them. That's where I'm at at this point: there are plenty of reasons to scumread a lot of people so to sort the bottom, I'm looking for reasons to townread them.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Oh also I am no longer trapped in my apartment, hurray.

I don't have a doorknob on my front door though...

oh god I forgot about this lol, what a mess

There are always so many catastrophes during mafia games.

 

[Snow Creature]

I mean, yeah, that's kinda what you said. Sometimes we forget that people just... fuck up. Look at the last game that ran.

But to really answer your question: I don't know. Maybe self-defeatist. Maybe a ploy to get precisely "but why would scum ever" reaction. Maybe just a play gone bad. Maybe he's actually town, but I am looking for reasons to townread him and I'm not finding them. That's where I'm at at this point: there are plenty of reasons to scumread a lot of people so to sort the bottom, I'm looking for reasons to townread them.

That's fair enough - it's why I wanted a proper run down of Alien.

It's possible obviously, but I wouldn't want to come in and vote solely off that. Somewhere for me to look today I guess.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I

If boobeard is scum, that’s 3 teammates on anthos to work to save one on d1. But not unheard of.

Know boo and alien are connected but remember they know each other Outside the game.

I would not assume they have the same alignment as aliens defense would still come exactly the same way if Boo was town.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Sorry I can't do costume games on my phome because of issues

but

vote: alien [/highlight'

You're probably the arsonist

 

[Wax Phantom]

DAMN YOU LOL

I meant

[highlight[ Vote: alien [/highlight]