Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

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San Franpsycho

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Everything I looked at today brought me back to the same place. I looked at potential partnerships. I looked at votes and where people ended up and cross referenced. I looked at how people came into the day and reacted to that and Boo's claim. I'm right back here to Skunkbeard/Boo or Skunkbeard/Pazzo + Boo.
 

Neon Phantom

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So, a large part of how I feel about Pazzo really is just feels it seems, I really can't pin it down, I have tried.

But this is what I've got that at least feels off.

.

His work happens off the page on several occasions, he talks about doing ISOs of people but summarises his thoughts on them without ever picking out anything specific to show why he's come to his conclusions.

Pazzo latches on to Boo throughout the game, but never really pushes him
His early analysis of the D1 vote cast just about everyone in suspicion which is particularly amusing considering how pure that vote has turned out to be, the idea of scum knowing that train was pure and you could just proceed on down it because surely ONE of them must be is sorta amusing.
That analysis floats Boo/Snacks (deflection), Boo/Tech/Baba, Boo/SnowC (retracts favour and dubs his vote obfuscation instead), still floats the idea of Alien/Boo being bold scummates while town reading Alien.
Reiterates Boo/SnowC with the implication he'd look back there after a Boo flip.

Okay, afterwards he was seemingly thinking of it as being T/T when his analysis was pretty much assuming otherwise.

This is just funny in retrospect.
A town vs. scum EOD is very often one of the most informative things to examine, but you can't approach it with the mindset of "Well, I NEED this flip in order to analyze it from that POV". Look at it through both lenses, see which assumption (town or scum Boo) matches up the best with what we see happen.

He pushed lightly from the Char vote, he pushed stronger against the Stan theory but as people pointed out he locked on to the part that didn't actually concern Char to stick to.
He pushed away from Woodsman twice.

Did a big ol' ISO on Sans, with quotes, concluding that Sans was mafia, backed off because there was no appetite for it, and of course walked it back entirely after Woodsman actually flipped.
I mean he is all over the place, but there has been tons of vote movement in general since I last popped in - nah, I think we need the Woodsman flip it'll give the most info at this point. We need to know if any of this is scum trying to scramble us into making a bad choice.
Chucking this in there is just on the nose considering he was the one who started the opposing train for it to scramble in the first place.

Man, if D1 really was BooBeard + Alien as scum pulling a gambit with the new player thing, yeesh. Bravo for that. Also makes the votes look pretty different with three scum stacked on Anthos at that point when you factor in Gnome.
Presenting this as if it was even really an option at this point.
... if you'd actually tried to push this angle I would have countered it, for what it's worth.

And this.
But when you did have time to commit you spent it talking about those not in contention instead of the leading wagons. Why?
I really can't tell you why this sets me off so much, but considering the stage we're at now (suspecting fucking everyone), actively telling someone they shouldn't be looking at alternative options the other day really set my hackles going.

Trying to keep people blindered down a the paths everyone else is looking at is scum tactics, not town.
 

Pazzo the Ghost Clown

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It was more the ownership you weirdo

okay, jokes aside, we are in the garbage and the walls are closing in.
The my was because I created the role:angry:

Alright I can do no-vote.

Vote: No Vote
I think this is the move, it's the best shot at avoiding kingmaker you, it gets us to the smallest pool, and then whichever three end up remaining can stab themselves in the eyes because final three fucking blows (unless one of them is Wax because he just won't give a fuck).
 

San Franpsycho

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So, a large part of how I feel about Pazzo really is just feels it seems, I really can't pin it down, I have tried.

But this is what I've got that at least feels off.

.

His work happens off the page on several occasions, he talks about doing ISOs of people but summarises his thoughts on them without ever picking out anything specific to show why he's come to his conclusions.

Pazzo latches on to Boo throughout the game, but never really pushes him
His early analysis of the D1 vote cast just about everyone in suspicion which is particularly amusing considering how pure that vote has turned out to be, the idea of scum knowing that train was pure and you could just proceed on down it because surely ONE of them must be is sorta amusing.
That analysis floats Boo/Snacks (deflection), Boo/Tech/Baba, Boo/SnowC (retracts favour and dubs his vote obfuscation instead), still floats the idea of Alien/Boo being bold scummates while town reading Alien.
Reiterates Boo/SnowC with the implication he'd look back there after a Boo flip.

Okay, afterwards he was seemingly thinking of it as being T/T when his analysis was pretty much assuming otherwise.

This is just funny in retrospect.


He pushed lightly from the Char vote, he pushed stronger against the Stan theory but as people pointed out he locked on to the part that didn't actually concern Char to stick to.
He pushed away from Woodsman twice.

Did a big ol' ISO on Sans, with quotes, concluding that Sans was mafia, backed off because there was no appetite for it, and of course walked it back entirely after Woodsman actually flipped.

Chucking this in there is just on the nose considering he was the one who started the opposing train for it to scramble in the first place.


Presenting this as if it was even really an option at this point.
... if you'd actually tried to push this angle I would have countered it, for what it's worth.

And this.

I really can't tell you why this sets me off so much, but considering the stage we're at now (suspecting fucking everyone), actively telling someone they shouldn't be looking at alternative options the other day really set my hackles going.

Trying to keep people blindered down a the paths everyone else is looking at is scum tactics, not town.
As I read this, I find myself nodding along. There is nothing in here I particularly disagree with. And some of the worst of it - closing off angles - are similar to the reasons I'm voting Skunkbeard.

But I look at this and can also see things like... plenty of it is the same kind of thing I indicted Kook for. But at the same time, there are key moments in Pazzo's play that could have changed the whole game and I don't see how scum doesn't take those opportunities. That's a lot of why I'm townreading you, too. So I just don't think it's as much of a lock as you. I don't think there's any other option, though, unless it's just Boo. If it's not, then yes, it has to be Pazzo despite those moments.
 

Neon Phantom

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Shifting to Boo is unacceptable because it would be bullshit and we'll lose by default. I believe he's the arsonist.

I want to vote Pazzo.

I understand the need for consensus may force my hand but I'm resistant.

No Vote is an option of everyone-is-being-an-ass-about-this last resort.
It's preferable to voting skunkbeard only in that it might get rid of Boo as well, and no, I don't resent him his win (And voting Skunkbeard would be a waste of a vote).
But it sucks.
Seriously.

If Skunkbeard is town, no vote fucks us.
Even if Skunkbeard is scum we're back here tomorrow probably with the same set of suspicious looking people and the same pair arguments, why not just rip the damn bandage off now?

I would rather take the option that might see us get scum than the option that could see us get nothing.
I'd rather win, obviously, but if I'm going to lose some part of me would rather do it by being wrong than gambling on doing nothing.
 

San Franpsycho

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I floated it and I feel certain that this is the right play. For me it's not gambling on doing nothing. It's gambling on Skunk being mafia, which is the thing I feel most sure about, and gives us the last piece of information.
vote: No Vote

Sleeping at endgame feels weird but is so often right. But it's all a fucking dice throw.
 

Neon Phantom

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As I read this, I find myself nodding along. There is nothing in here I particularly disagree with. And some of the worst of it - closing off angles - are similar to the reasons I'm voting Skunkbeard.

But I look at this and can also see things like... plenty of it is the same kind of thing I indicted Kook for. But at the same time, there are key moments in Pazzo's play that could have changed the whole game and I don't see how scum doesn't take those opportunities. That's a lot of why I'm townreading you, too. So I just don't think it's as much of a lock as you. I don't think there's any other option, though, unless it's just Boo. If it's not, then yes, it has to be Pazzo despite those moments.

I realise that saying this as the resident triple crosser doesn't necessarily carry the weight it might if someone else said it but, well.

How much do you trust that assessment of him? You know he can get you. He gave you a gun.
 

Neon Phantom

Costume Account (He/Him)
Hey @BooBeard
You think Skunkbeard is scum.
If you're right that means all you have to do to win is get through the day and ignite Skunk tonight.
If you're right your game is over.

Can I interest you in a vote for action instead of passivity?
 

Pazzo the Ghost Clown

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So, a large part of how I feel about Pazzo really is just feels it seems, I really can't pin it down, I have tried.

But this is what I've got that at least feels off.

.

His work happens off the page on several occasions, he talks about doing ISOs of people but summarises his thoughts on them without ever picking out anything specific to show why he's come to his conclusions.
I don't feel the need to fill the page up with tons of noise and super heavy ISO quotes of every single person I go back to read. I think probably everyone in this game has gone back, read a player, and not returned with tons of quotes. Sans literally just did it today.

Pazzo latches on to Boo throughout the game, but never really pushes him
His early analysis of the D1 vote cast just about everyone in suspicion which is particularly amusing considering how pure that vote has turned out to be, the idea of scum knowing that train was pure and you could just proceed on down it because surely ONE of them must be is sorta amusing.
That analysis floats Boo/Snacks (deflection), Boo/Tech/Baba, Boo/SnowC (retracts favour and dubs his vote obfuscation instead), still floats the idea of Alien/Boo being bold scummates while town reading Alien.
Reiterates Boo/SnowC with the implication he'd look back there after a Boo flip.

Okay, afterwards he was seemingly thinking of it as being T/T when his analysis was pretty much assuming otherwise.

This is just funny in retrospect.
I'm actually not sure at all what you mean here. I straight up grabbed the post you're referring to and put it below, I talk about who might make sense as mafia if Boo was mafia being saved by the Anthos wagon. I go vote by vote from the point of a tie, and explain ultimately that though there are some possible connections I didn't come away thinking Boo was mafia at the time. How is that scummy? You're implying I at that stage thought Boo was scum as my main point of contention, when I literally in the very post say I don't think that's the most likely scenario - that's why I don't "push" Boo. I didn't come back around to thinking Boo was scum until a couple days ago or whenever it was.

He pushed lightly from the Char vote, he pushed stronger against the Stan theory but as people pointed out he locked on to the part that didn't actually concern Char to stick to.
He pushed away from Woodsman twice.

Did a big ol' ISO on Sans, with quotes, concluding that Sans was mafia, backed off because there was no appetite for it, and of course walked it back entirely after Woodsman actually flipped.

Chucking this in there is just on the nose considering he was the one who started the opposing train for it to scramble in the first place.
I already talked about this. I had no way of controlling everyone's votes. There literally could have never been a tie - go look at who the other voters were, you can clearly see it's not a mafia engineered tie. I only "backed off" when the vote flurry DID happen, I had been pushing Sans that day and acting otherwise is just untrue.

Presenting this as if it was even really an option at this point.
... if you'd actually tried to push this angle I would have countered it, for what it's worth.

And this.

I really can't tell you why this sets me off so much, but considering the stage we're at now (suspecting fucking everyone), actively telling someone they shouldn't be looking at alternative options the other day really set my hackles going.

Trying to keep people blindered down a the paths everyone else is looking at is scum tactics, not town.
How was it not an option? Alien literally got voted out for being believed to be mafia. Boo was being read as mafia just today to the point of having to claim fucking arsonist lol The issue was avoidance by Boo - I have no issue with people presenting additional reads, but he avoided pushing his top suspects. That's scummy as hell and *gasp* he turned out to be scum.

Looking over the voting closer to day end:


Anthos self-pres's and breaks the tie between him and Boo.

At this point I think the wagons were as follows:

BooBeard (6)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos

Anthos (5)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard



Vote could be read as deflecting for Boo, I think should Boo be scum this is a thread to revisit, but I haven't gotten scummy vibes from Snack, and I would be apprehensive to dive down this rabbit hole without actually knowing Boo's alignment. Forces a tie back up.

BooBeard (6)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos

Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Snack


We know that this was town breaking the tie by voting Boo here.

BooBeard (7)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein

Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Snack


This vote change actually drops Anthos down, so I'm going to say Cat and Boo are probably not scummates

BooBeard (7)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein

Anthos (5)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Boo Beard
Snack




Next up, a flurry of votes to the side - again could be noteworthy if Boo ends up being scum (Cat aside), but the vote was languishing a bit so I don't necessarily side eye this too much.



Two unvotes from Boo which could be scum shying away from a bus, but I know in my instance it was genuine belief about Boo being new by this stage, and given that it makes me more trusting of Snow Creature just going off of similar mindset. Snow joined the wagon later than I too, which tells me he probably isn't bussing here (because you don't start to bus later on then give up so quickly). He also probably shifts to Anthos at that point if he truly is scum trying to save a teammate. We end up back at a tie. Welp, see more later lol


Another vote off to the side.


I've already gone into Alien in more detail before, and while Boo was given a pass based off being new - the Alien read is just a straight up town read on my part. That said, does break the tie by going for Anthos. If Alien and Boo are actually just super bold scummates then bravo I guess - you got me.

BooBeard (5)
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein

Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Boo Beard
Snack
Alien


Yeah, this ultimately doesn't look great. If there's any single person trying to obfuscate for Boo it's Snow Creature. That said I'm left wondering at day end where the rest of the scum team is if Boo and Snow are both scum here. Where would they have been that someone else couldn't make a more natural push to protect Boo at day end? Might not have been present, that's a possibility. Other than that though it feels like their should've been a more elegant way to handle this. Ultimately I come away feeling like day end was in fact pretty tepid, there wasn't a ton of vote movement around the leading wagons. I think the Snow Creature and Boo connection is definitely a concern should one flip scum, with Snack being the only other vote that even sort of catches my eye as a possibility. But generally it just doesn't feel like scum was overly worried here unless the scum team includes exactly those three. Eh, we'll see how Boo plays today but I'm not left immediately frothing at the mouth to chase that squirrel again.


And finally my vote off wagon for the sake of showing all the day end votes.
 

BooBeard

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If I wasn't no voting I think I'd put it on Pazzo. I feel like Neon has played extremely well today and I'm doubting my previous scumread of them.
 

San Franpsycho

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I realise that saying this as the resident triple crosser doesn't necessarily carry the weight it might if someone else said it but, well.

How much do you trust that assessment of him? You know he can get you. He gave you a gun.
I do know. It's weighing heavily on me. But it's also why I think in that moment he would have just... let me die. And that he's considering the no vote too... I don't know, maybe I'm reading it wrong. It's very different from Boo, who will vote anyone today, pretty much.

But I don't think the no vote is passive. I think it's a choice for certainty and when we are this chaotic, I think that's the choice I have to make. I was really hoping Skunkbeard would show back up at the last minute and give some clue.
 

Pazzo the Ghost Clown

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Vote: No Vote

We might end up losing anyways in final three based on the vibe I'm getting from the room, but we can worry about that when it comes down to it. We'll at least have another full day to discuss it.
 

Neon Phantom

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Lol, this group is not going to be reaching consensus I see.

No vote is in the lead, even if Boo votes with me it's in the lead.
Wax doesn't look like he'll vote with me if he scum reads me.
If skunkbeard shows up the best they can do is tie it, and a tie is the same outcome as no vote anyway, so that's minimal risk, right?

Maybe I get to make my vanity vote after all.
Vote: Pazzo
 
No Vote(3 votes)
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC(1 vote)
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC(1 vote)
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC(1 vote)
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
 
No one has died!

Night 7 Ends in:
qxdez5kxge


Night actions are due 2 hours before the start of the next Day.
 

Happy canada day?

Neon Phantom has died!
You are the Neon Phantom: your true identity is Bill Walker, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

The party invite said smart casual so you brought your finest monster costume and nothing else, you are Vanilla Town

You have no special power or ability but can still vote!

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Captain Skunkbeard has died!
You are Captain Skunkbeard: your true identity is Biff Wellington, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

The party invite said smart casual so you brought your finest monster costume and nothing else, you are Vanilla Town

You have no special power or ability but can still vote!

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Day 9 starts

Day 9 Ends:
hq52xx75hr


Majority is 3
 
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BooBeard

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I can't believe I'm still fucking alive, goddamnit

Okay so there's only 1 Mafia remaining, or potentially zero Mafia but I would be shocked if that is the case.
 

San Franpsycho

Costume Account (She/Her)
I do not understand anything that is happening beyond setting the fire guy on fire.

So I roll to set the fire guy on fire.
 

BooBeard

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Okay let's go over this logically

Skunkbeard died, and so did Neon. That means there was an ignition and a Mafia night kill. If there were 2 Mafia remaining, the game would be over, so unless you want to think arsonist is Mafia and can ignite and kill in the same night, then it becomes obvious that I am truly neutral.

Town already lost the game. They can't win no matter what. It's just down to myself or mafia winning
 

BooBeard

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Town can actually win but it is I that cannot win no matter what

So the no-vote was a smart move for town, congrats
 

BooBeard

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The google doc hasn't been updated so I don't know if Wax became Shaggy or if Shaggy came back from the dead
 

BooBeard

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I don't know if there's 5 or 4 players remaining

If Wax is still playing in addition to Shaggy then we could still have 2 Mafia
 

BooBeard

Costume Account (He/Him)
Okay if things have settled (?)

Then my point stands. I have lost no matter what, I can't win unless town decides to throw. Town can still win. Mafia can still win. If you vote me out today Mafia wins. If you vote out Mafia today and me tomorrow town wins. The choice is yours. I don't really care because I've already lost
 

BooBeard

Costume Account (He/Him)
Nobody is doused because I ignited last night. Even if I douse again tonight, if you vote me out tomorrow I am powerless. I explained my whole flip, I'm not hiding any other powers.
 

San Franpsycho

Costume Account (She/Her)
It’s just you, Boo. The game can’t end.
It’s a dark truth.
the secret
you see

we eat new players if they make it to endgame
 

BooBeard

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Lol

Okay but you think there's no Mafia left?

I mean you could be Mafia as well and hoping to get this over with. I've lost regardless so do what you will.
 

BooBeard

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Three Mafia in a game of this size feels pretty unconventional, even with an arsonist. It would also make their terrible move of getting voted out 3 days in a row even worse...
 

San Franpsycho

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that would be pretty hilarious, all things considered
just completely chuck all expectations
30 foot Shaggy would be proud
 

BooBeard

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I'm pretty sure Wax is going to come in here any minute and vote for me, turboing the town loss so lol
 

San Franpsycho

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Everything is locked down in my neck of the woods. Only place I can go is my parents.
oh, i am not going into the world, no way
but we can have one right here! confetti! party! evil!

let's be bad guys
it is all fucked anyway
it is NIHILIST FRIYAY
 

Wax Phantom

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Mr fire guy before we set you on fire pls climb up that giant fuckstacks of wooden pallets and wooden barrels immerse yourself with the highest of octane of gas and wait
 
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC(3 votes)
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC(0 votes)
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
 
BooBeard has died!
You are BooBeard: your true identity is Scrappy Doo, aligned with No One (NEUTRAL)

It was you who gathered all these villainous fools together to take out mystery inc and it was you who ratted out the information to your old 'cuzz', all so you could get them all here, all so you could take your revenge and start a new life...

Now all the pieces are in place it's time to sneak in with the costume you stole from Jack (fake flavour claim) and make sure this reunion is a night to remember, you are the Costume Arsonist

Each night you can use the command Douse: <Player> to douse the target's costume, players will learn their costume has been doused at the start of the next day

Instead of dousing you can use the command PUPPY POWER to kill all doused players, this action bypasses protection.

Additionally at the end of each day you will learn if the player your vote was on at EOD is Scooby Doo, who is aligned with mafia.

You win when you have killed 3 players, this must include at least one member of the mafia faction. If you have not achieved this condition when all mafia are dead you will instead win if you are the only player alive.

Wax Phantom has died!
You are the Wax Phantom: your true identity is Roger Stevens, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

You expected many things from prison but to gain a friend for life wasn't one of them, you are a Mason

You have a mason chat with the Hyde Monster and know that their true identity Tabitha is aligned with town

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.
 
Pazzo the Ghost Clown has won!
You are Pazzo the Ghost Clown: your true identity is Daphne Blake, aligned with The Meddling Kids (MAFIA) Following a tip from a 'Mr. E' the gang discovered a night club where past baddies were planning the gang's downfall, after trapping A.J. Dobbs (fake flavour claim) and taking their costume you were ready to infiltrate and take down this scheme from the inside.

Hope you and your team are up to date on this community's meta, you are the Identity Sleuth

During the night you may use the command Lets see who this really is: <Player>, <Guess> where guess in the player who is controlling the account (eg. Aeleus, lokiduck) if you guess correctly you will learn the target's role name.

If the player you guessed has not signed up for the game you will be told that in response to the command being locked.

You share a faction kill with your team that you may perform once per night with the command kill: <PLAYER NAME>. You may not use your power and the faction kill on the same night unless you are the last Mafia player alive.

You win when the Meddling Kids controls 50% of the votes and all threats to the Meddling Kids have been eliminated.

Sans Franpsycho has won!
You are the San Franpsycho: your true identity is Velma Dinkley, aligned with The Meddling Kids (MAFIA)

Following a tip from a 'Mr. E' the gang discovered a night club where past baddies were planning the gang's downfall, after trapping Rutie Banez (fake flavour claim) and taking their costume you were ready to infiltrate and take down this scheme from the inside.

The genius of the group your brilliant mind isn't going to be of much use when your glasses wouldn't work with the costume, you are a Vanilla Goon

You have no special power or ability but can still vote!

You share a faction kill with your team that you may perform once per night with the command kill: <PLAYER NAME>.

You win when the Meddling Kids controls 50% of the votes and all threats to the Meddling Kids have been eliminated.

Posthumously:
Gnome has won!
Char Gar Gothakon has won!
Woodsman has won!
30 foot Shaggy has won!
 
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