Scum Thread High House Chains

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
Welcome to the scum chat!

1. The scum team is: Hawthorn, FateShirou, nin, and Leo
2. Your fake claims are: Eli Monpress, Drizzy Do'Urden, Kelsier, and Lyra Bellacqua
3. You may post your role PMs in this thread.
4. Important game mechanic! At the beginning on each day I will be randomly selecting one of you to flip with a random town role should you be killed. You will not be told who gets selected each day.

Have fun!
 
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Leo

Quack Pack King
Hello, fellow scum! Let's do some damage >:)

I'm happy to be evil with you again, Haw! <3

You are The Lady and are you are a Jack of All Trades

You are aligned with the Villains of the Non-Fiction Section (that is MAFIA).

You win when mafia takes up 50% of the remaining players.

The Lady is one of the most powerful sorceresses and smartest tactician in the land and knows what actions to take to bend events and people to her will. Once per night you may use one of your three abilities. You have: 1 Heal Shot, 1 Switcher Shot, 1 Nexus Shot.

Heal: At night you may submit the command Heal: Target and protect that player from a kill action. You have one shot of this power.

Switcher At night you may submit the command Switch Target 1 with Target 2 and all actions on the targeted players will be switched to the other player. You have one shot of this power.

Nexus: At night you may submit the command Nexus and you will passively redirect any actions aimed at you to a random player for that night. You have one shot of this power.

In addition to your abilities, you and your teammates have a factional kill each night that can be used by submitting the command Kill: Target.

I don't think I've seen a game where the mafia team has a heal shot, that's curious. We should watch out for threats.

Also, is anyone familiar with the flavor?
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I am over the moon to be evil again! Which probably means that I'll get voted out D1, but I'm going to enjoy it while I have it.

Welcome to Fantasy Star Mafia!

You are The Crippled God and you are a Godfather.

You are aligned with the Villains of the Fiction Section (that is MAFIA).

You win when mafia takes up 50% of the remaining players.

Being unable to take much direct action yourself you tend to get others to try to carry out your plans and thus will show up as vanilla town in any checks against you.

You and your teammates have a factional kill each night that can be used by submitting the command Kill: Target

You can access the scum chat here: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/665/
Game thread is located here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/fantasy-star-mafia-ot-i-gotta-know-whats-your-fantasy.454195/

If you have any questions please feel free to ask and have fun!
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I looked up my character-- I'm from Malazan Book of the Fallen. None of our fake claims are from those same books, so there's not a 1-1 correspondence. I know Lyra but not any of the other fake claims. With our game flavor being "all fantasy characters" probably everybody's going to be partially knowledgable and partly totally lost.

4. Important game mechanic! At the beginning on each day I will be randomly selecting one of you to flip with a random town role should you be killed. You will not be told who gets selected each day.

Mr. Hedin, I have so many questions about this rule!
1. Will this apply even if there are only 2 of us left?
2. Is the "random town role" out of the set of roles included in this game, or out of all possible mafia town roles?
3. Is vanilla a random town role?
4. If the selected player dies, will they also flip with a different character name? If so, will it be the same as any of our fake claims?

I understand if you can't answer any of these.

My thinking with this rule is that we should avoid too-specific fake claims when up for elimination, to avoid a situation where the reaction is "she claimed cop but she flipped as a doctor?? something is fishy, that must be tailored."

I also for a while have been having the general thought that we shouldn't try to hard to all vote for separate people in early days. By now the meta that "scum would never all vote for the same person" is so engrained that it's actually less suspicious to be on a wagon with flipped scum than the reverse. Just my thought!
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
The gang is all here
lets hecking go

Welcome to Fantasy Star Mafia!

You are Prince Regal and you are a Two-Shot Role blocker.

You are aligned with the Villains of the Fiction Section (that is MAFIA).

You win when mafia takes up 50% of the remaining players.

You don't have many natural talents but you do now how to manipulate events to turn out in your favor. At night you can role block another player by submitting the command: Block: Target. You have two shots of this power.

In addition to your ability, you and your teammates have a factional kill each night that can be used by submitting the command Kill: Target.

You can access the scum chat here: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/665/
Game thread is located here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/fantasy-star-mafia-ot-i-gotta-know-whats-your-fantasy.454195/

If you have any questions please feel free to ask and have fun!
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Nice roles, Leo and Fate-something-under-night-in-birth-Shirou! Two blocks plus a switch probably means there's a lot to be scared of from town power roles though
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I looked up my character-- I'm from Malazan Book of the Fallen. None of our fake claims are from those same books, so there's not a 1-1 correspondence. I know Lyra but not any of the other fake claims. With our game flavor being "all fantasy characters" probably everybody's going to be partially knowledgable and partly totally lost.



Mr. Hedin, I have so many questions about this rule!
1. Will this apply even if there are only 2 of us left?
2. Is the "random town role" out of the set of roles included in this game, or out of all possible mafia town roles?
3. Is vanilla a random town role?
4. If the selected player dies, will they also flip with a different character name? If so, will it be the same as any of our fake claims?

I understand if you can't answer any of these.

My thinking with this rule is that we should avoid too-specific fake claims when up for elimination, to avoid a situation where the reaction is "she claimed cop but she flipped as a doctor?? something is fishy, that must be tailored."

I also for a while have been having the general thought that we shouldn't try to hard to all vote for separate people in early days. By now the meta that "scum would never all vote for the same person" is so engrained that it's actually less suspicious to be on a wagon with flipped scum than the reverse. Just my thought!

1. Yes it will apply if there is only two of you.
2. PAFO (Play And Find Out)
3. PAFO
4. PAFO

Sorry I couldn't do any better than 1 for 4!
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
im pretty hunger for a era mafia game, so yea lets win this one murderers
yall think hedin picked an even number of characters from the fantasy series?
wanna kill ATP night 1?
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Hello there fellow teammates.
It's Kate and I will probably head to bed right away.

Here is my role though


Welcome to Fantasy Star Mafia!

You are Ruin and you are a Two-Shot Ninja.

You are aligned with the Villains of the Fiction Section (that is MAFIA).

You win when mafia takes up 50% of the remaining players.

You work in the shadows with others unaware of your actual activities. At night in lieu of the factional kill you may send the command Shadow Kill: Target and remain undetectable for that action. You have two shots of this power.

If you choose not to use your ability or you are out of shots, you and your teammates have a factional kill each night that can be used by submitting the command Kill: Target.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
A nexus, a godfather, a ninja, and the tailor mechanic... Probably lots of investigative powers with town.

We should probably expect a redcheck at some point, get ready to lie through your teeth haha should be an exciting game!
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
For quick reference our powers are:

Hawthorn: Godfather
Leo: 1-shot heal, 1-shot switch, 1-shot nexus
Fate: 2-shot roleblock
Nin: 2-shot ninja kill
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Role namePlayerOriginAuthor
Sancia GradoSample PMFounder trilogyRobert Jackson Bennett
Eli MonpressFake claimThe Legend of Eli MonpressRachel Aaron
Drizzt Do'UrdenFake claimForgotten Realmsmultiple authors
KelsierFake claimMistbornBrian Sanderson
Lyra BellacquaFake claimHis Dark MaterialsPhilip Pullman
The LadyLeo??
The Crippled GodHawthornMalazan: Book of the FallenSteven Erikson
Prince RegalFateThe Princess BrideWilliam Goldman
RuinNin??
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
A nexus, a godfather, a ninja, and the tailor mechanic... Probably lots of investigative powers with town.

We should probably expect a redcheck at some point, get ready to lie through your teeth haha should be an exciting game!

Let's cross our fingers that I get checked. I won't do anything deliberately to act suspicious, but I also do seem to come off untrustworthy, so I think there's a good chance.

I think we should decide what risk we want to take on about claims-- my thinking is, if someone is red checked or otherwise clearly about to be killed, they should avoid a specific fake claim, in case they get hit by the random tailoring mechanic. That way it'll just look like exasperated town who gave up, like "whatever, I'm not even going to claim, you'll see that I'm town when I flip, I'm over this." OTOH, if we make a fake claim then flip with a different random town role, they'll suspect something is up. IMO we should only fake claim if it seems like there's a very good chance we'll get away with it and survive. But let me know what you guys think!
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Role namePlayerOriginAuthor
Sancia GradoSample PMFounder trilogyRobert Jackson Bennett
Eli MonpressFake claimThe Legend of Eli MonpressRachel Aaron
Drizzt Do'UrdenFake claimForgotten Realmsmultiple authors
KelsierFake claimMistbornBrian Sanderson
Lyra BellacquaFake claimHis Dark MaterialsPhilip Pullman
The LadyLeo??
The Crippled GodHawthornMalazan: Book of the FallenSteven Erikson
Prince RegalFateThe Princess BrideWilliam Goldman
RuinNin??

I'm feeling illiterate lol i don't know any of these books (at least not by their English names).
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
ELI5 why should we be afraid of town suspecting a random tailoring mechanic?
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
ELI5 why should we be afraid of town suspecting a random tailoring mechanic?

Because that'll do away with the advantage we'll get from the random town flips. For example if everyone thinks you're mafia (e.g. if you get red-checked, or if someone makes up some persuasive case against you, or what have you) then you flip town, a lot of town analysis will be thrown out the window. The narrative on the next day will be "why were we so sure Fate was mafia? Now I don't know what to think! We should go after the people that were pushing Fate, and we should also go through his past posts and listen to his reads!"

Conversely, if you flip town right after claiming a different town role and town suspects there's a tailor, then it's pretty similar to just if you'd flipped mafia. Maybe a little extra confusing, but none of the advantages we'd get the other way.

I'm not saying we should never claim-- it would really handicap us to avoid claims forever, and the tailoring advantages aren't enough to make up for that -- but that we should stay quiet if close to death & there doesn't seem to be much way out of it, in case we flip town. There's a 25% chance at the start of the game of any of us flipping town on any given day, which I think is enough to account for it when planning.

Fwiw if i get close to dying im going to claim 2 shot role blocker

Role blocker is almost always a mafia role.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Love the Princess Bride so much! But @Leo I googled most of those books. Sorry if the chart is kind of extra. I'm very excited to be mafia.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Also, don't think I was clear about this: I don't think that they'll get the part that it's random, they'll just suspect that something is up with the flip.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Love the Princess Bride so much! But @Leo I googled most of those books. Sorry if the chart is kind of extra. I'm very excited to be mafia.

It's not extra, it's great for future reference! It's great when you get in depth like that
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Role blocker is almost always a mafia role.

Yeah i think we should be claiming x-shot investigative roles as i think there will be a lot of them

Plus we can come up with some fake checks to get people confused
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Role blocker is almost always a mafia role.
"
Since the Roleblocker can exist as both a town and an anti-town role, its exact use depends on the alignment. In either case, the function of the Roleblocker is to stop suspected threats from performing Night actions."

i think it will be eaiser for us to claim something close to what we have, that way we can try our best to pretend to be town and solve the game

im going to be a high volume poster as i always been, expect me to take the same shots i took at you haw haw and leo as i did in MGS
 
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Leo

Quack Pack King
I'm a bit worried cause I'm usually a high count poster, but this time i don't think I'll be able to, I'm a bit busy. will try not to make it too blatant
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
"
Since the Roleblocker can exist as both a town and an anti-town role, its exact use depends on the alignment. In either case, the function of the Roleblocker is to stop suspected threats from performing Night actions."

i think it will be eaiser for us to claim something close to what we have, that way we can try our best to pretend to be town and solve the game

Yeah, but in this community it's more often written as & perceived as a mafia role, so it'll be a tough sell. I'm more inclined to Leo's idea that we should consider investigative roles if we have to claim, since there are likely to be several of them.

Though now that I think about it, that just makes it all the more likely to be counter claimed. Personally I intend to avoid claiming if at all possible, but if necessary just to claim vanilla. Short and sweet, with maximum flexibility.

im going to be a high volume poster as i always been, expect me to take the same shots i took at you haw haw and leo as i did in MGS

Totally expected! I'm just going going to play it by ear. The last time I was mafia was before I was ever town, but I think the only meta I have is that I don't really like to bus, so I'm going to try to counter that by getting it into it with one or the other of you guys. If it develops naturally, of course, can't force it.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Good luck team. So excited to play with you three, I would say that I think we're going to kill it, but I know better than to tempt fate as an evil fantasy character. I won't post until later in the evening probably, because I'm too awkward to handle the joky stage XD
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
nice pun haw haw
im going to avoid posting here to acheieve the mindset that i am town
MAWl2LG.gif
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Sorry for not being active in this chat, Had a rough day. First thing tomorrow will respond to y'all and talk you through my plan
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
No worries, nin, sorry your day was rough.

My bet is that this jester thing is a gambit by Geno.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Sorry to hear that, nin :( hope everything gets sorted out!


No worries, nin, sorry your day was rough.

My bet is that this jester thing is a gambit by Geno.

I think so too, there's a chance he's a neutral with some wacky wincon and this is his plan. Geno is a bold player.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I think so too, there's a chance he's a neutral with some wacky wincon and this is his plan. Geno is a bold player.

Totally agree. There's a 50/50 chance that Geno actually takes it back before the end of day and is like "haha, you suckers believed me??" But for now it's great because it gives us something to talk about.

@FateShirou I know you're not reading this because of your method, but I'm liking that there's a little friction between us. Sets it up nicely for one of us to suspect the other later if it seems appropriate.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Totally agree. There's a 50/50 chance that Geno actually takes it back before the end of day and is like "haha, you suckers believed me??" But for now it's great because it gives us something to talk about.

I'm cop lmao. I thought it would be smart to claim jester to live a few days looool.

lol
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Both Leo and Fate are pushing the neutral-Geno theory, and few town seem to agree, so I'm going to try to steer away from that opinion to maintain separation. Would be great if they actually vote him out.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
I wouldn't mind leaving Geno alive cause i don't think he's a cop and if he survives he will always be a voting option. I'll try to be open to the idea of voting him, but would rather vote someone else.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I'm kind of hoping town sleepwalks into voting out Geno and then it turns out he was actually the cop. If he survives the day we can talk about whether we should kill him, I would tend to say keep him alive and wait for town to turn on him, but it depends how it plays out.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Yeah, it shouldn't be one of us who does it, I already look incredibly suspicious for objecting to turbo then awkwardly being like "well, maybe I don't actually object THAT much"
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
The vote tool is wonky, i was supposed to make the vote go to 9, but apparently i hammered lol
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Omg he was telling the truth! We got rid of a cop :-D :-D

sad to kill the Fool though. I cried over those books as a teenager!
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
so ATP, should we roleblock anyone?
i think sneks is a neighbourizer

D1 was so uneventful aside from Geno that i think we should hold onto our shots for now until we get a better feel of the game. Maybe use a ninja shot cause there's probably a lot of investigative shots still in the game?

As for the kill, I think Zeke is a good option.
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I think its better to take out zeke midgame as thats when they get into it
I want ATP out ASAP
they can pressure you HARD

AllThingsPurple
EzekelRAGE
Sawneeks

my shortlist for getting NK'd tonight
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Nina’s shot could be blocked by a doctor, yeah. The disadvantage of using the ninja shot now is that there are so many players chances are the kill would go undetected anyway, so we could be wasting it. Advantage would be that any trackers may use up their shots early as well, so now is when we’d most need it. My inclination would be to wait at least until N2 but I’ll leave it up to nin. Same goes for the role block, my advice is save it for when we have better guesses at power roles, but up to you fate.

where did the sawneeks neighbourizer idea come from?

will look at list of players & give my thoughts on kill optons when I’m off mobile, I’m at a very disorganized rehearsal right now.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
I think its better to take out zeke midgame as thats when they get into it
I want ATP out ASAP
they can pressure you HARD

AllThingsPurple
EzekelRAGE
Sawneeks

my shortlist for getting NK'd tonight

These are three people I've considered too, yeah. But i leaned more on Zeke because Sneeks and ATP tend to get more sympathy from other players i think, and they're good candidates for a heal shot N1.

Zeke is a good town player but no one trusts him early game lol

let's see what everyone thinks
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Looking at the list of players, and I'm fine with the alternatives so far. Agree that Zeke is a very good player but better for later game, esp. as if he says the wrong thing he can easily get mis-voted-out. Not sure I agree about Sawneeks having a power role, I think invite is an easy phone autocorrect, but she's scary enoough that I'd be glad to get rid of her ASAP. I would maybe add VA to the list of possibles. He hasn't posted a lot yet, which means he's a good low-information kill, but he can be dangerous later on. My only concern about ATP is that he was pretty active D1, and it would be nice to leave town spinning their wheels with nowhere to go on, since D1 vote data is useless due to the Geno situation. Other than that I'm fine with him going.
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Alright
lets wait for nin to give his word, then slumlord hawhaw can make the final call
:bulbauwu
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
okay in regards to the 3 players mentioned ( which i also think are good candidate)
Since this is bastard. EVERYONE could be a PR.

Nonetheless i would rather risk it now and go for a normal kill tonight. The less players there are the more effective our Ninja shot get.
I am happy to talk it over though

Will give my thoughts on players in a minute
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
okay.

Would LIKE to keep ATP around for another day.

Sawneeks is a strong player but i do not see any reason to keep her alive or not. Tbf i just want her to see me as town :P

We also could get rid of Bojack, since that was where her vote was. I mean thats a fact that can be said after he flips.

Zeke is a wild card, he is always considered somewhat scummish, we could play with it and turn him into our antagonist.

Evil Chameleon is also someone who seems to be coasting but is a strong player aswell.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Oh and as much as it pains me to say that, we can use Jman in the lategame, he flip flops like a good Town player.

Grade A
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
yeah those are my thoughts on the current players. Everyone else is not in my view atm.

:)
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Thanks nin! I agree with most of those thoughts. Don't think killing Bojack to discredit Sawneeks would really work, it's a weak connection and would be as likely to get one of us suspected for making it. We should generally speaking avoid making any arguments about why we think the kill happened. It's really hard to pull that off as mafia, I remember almost being caught by it at times.

I also think EC can make himself suspicious pretty early, so I wouldn't kill him. No harm in allowing ATP to play 2 days this time if you want to XD

I would say Sawneeks or VA at this stage, and Sawneeks has been brought up by all of us, so it sadly looks like it should be her. Also, to Leo's point about her being a doctor candidate: it's possible, but IMO worth the risk-- you never know if the doctor has decided to play WIFOM and go for someone "mafia would never think of" or whatever, or the doctor's saving their shots. Speaking of which, we should be on the lookout tomorrow for any hints about the person that Leo's heal shot is for. Town - or another neutral - with killing ability.

It's up to you, nin, but I think we should save the ninja shots, which means that probably either you or I should do the kill. Either you because you're the most "under the radar" of any of us, or me because if someone tracks me and tries to fake a red check we know that they're bluffing. Also, if Geno was really the only cop, I'm a goon now :-D

I'll put it in for now, we can change later if need be.

kill: Sawneeks

As for other powers: I say save them, especially Leo's powers, but Fate if you want to role block someone we really can't go wrong just throwing it out into the field. As nin said, anybody could be a power role. There's also the option of saving the roleblock shots until we have better hints.

Strategy wise IMO tomorrow should just be another day of us trying to blend as much as possible. I don't really care about us separating ourselves on votes, as I said before, because I think the meta has now gotten too entrenched that mafia would never do that, but I kind of want us to interact with each other and if possible argue a bit. Leo I noticed that you said you thought Geno was neutral right before you hammered. Would you mind if I start the day by criticizing you for that, like "why would you assume he's not mafia unless you are mafia??" then you can defend and we move on.

Overthinking it a bit I know XD

Still sad we killed the Fool, but looking forward to tomorrow team
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
kill: Sawneeks

Command Received

Also I forgot to mention but I don't mind if you all have a little fun with your kill orders. Just please make sure it is obviously a kill order and if you use the ninja shot just make sure it's obviously the ninja shot.
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
if you guys want to take a shot at me, dont tell me, i want my respond to be naturally as possible
and if im going to take a shot at you guys, i will without telling you (unless you want a general idea)
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Sounds all good to me!

Would you mind if I start the day by criticizing you for that, like "why would you assume he's not mafia unless you are mafia??" then you can defend and we move on.

Go for it! Someone might bring it up, it's better for us if that person is you.
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
im going to blast
nin for coasting and leo for being too meek if you dont start swinging trmw
 
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Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
if you guys want to take a shot at me, dont tell me, i want my respond to be naturally as possible
and if im going to take a shot at you guys, i will without telling you (unless you want a general idea)

OK, I'll go at you without warning if I do! I'm more of an old school actor type, I like to orchestrate interactions and plan everything out, vs you need to get into character. Both work well, IMO, just depends on one's preference

Don't worry about posting in here during the day if it throws you off, but I'd say I'd prefer for us to check in first if any of you are planning to post some big ISO of me/"Why Hawthorn is mafia" manifesto. Otherwise feel free to take shots without warning!
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
im going to blast
nin for coasting and leo for being too meek if you dont start swinging trmw

oh yes, please keep me on blast. I mean you will go in and say here you go. those players are coasting, then putting a vote down on me. I will come in all angry saying that "bla bla bla i had too much to do" yet it is okay that you put down a vote on me. Then you can take the torch and say "why you acting all defensive, you hidign something?" Then i will respond i dont, but you asking me this is very sus....

So on and so on. Lets lock each other in and tunnel. Like a good couple
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
It's up to you, nin, but I think we should save the ninja shots, which means that probably either you or I should do the kill. Either you because you're the most "under the radar" of any of us, or me because if someone tracks me and tries to fake a red check we know that they're bluffing. Also, if Geno was really the only cop, I'm a goon now :-D

I'll put it in for now, we can change later if need be.

kill: Sawneeks


Oh, yes for Sure, HP please take notice that i will do the faction kill.

kill: Sawneeks
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Are you doing ninja or just changing it that you are doing the main kill?

just changing that in order for me to do the kill.

Dont worry Hedin, whenever i decide to do the Ninja shot, i will use the shadow kill command :)
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I'm not going to use my roleblock tonight
I'm going to see if we can get some role info trmw, and then decide on how to proceed, right now i dont think we have to fear a cop unless hedin decided to include 2 alignment cops....
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
I'm not going to use my roleblock tonight
I'm going to see if we can get some role info trmw, and then decide on how to proceed, right now i dont think we have to fear a cop unless hedin decided to include 2 alignment cops....

Geno was neutral so i think there might be a town cop with some nerf modifier, like a parity cop or alternate day.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Rereading Geno's flip this caught my attention:

You win if you vote for three (3) scum who are voted out of the game

The wording is specifically "voted out", so I would think there isn't any other way to kill a scum member aside from voting, or else Geno could be locked out of winning. So no vigs.

But then I have a heal shot, so that doesn't make sense.

Either Geno's role was the dark souls of mafia, or there might be some wacky mechanics I'm missing.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Yeah, it's weird, because you're right about it making it harder for Geno's role to win (though he would only be locked out if the vig killed two mafia), but on the other hand there's just no other reason for us to have a heal slot, unless it's purely to mess with us. Geno's role is already pretty tough as it is, but I would lean toward thinking there's probably another killing role out there.

And yeah, I'd love it if Geno was the only cop, but I think there's a good possibility there's at least some kind of investigative town role.
 

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
this is pretty dumb but

Important game mechanic! At the beginning on each day I will be randomly selecting one of you to flip with a random town role should you be killed. You will not be told who gets selected each day.

if we die, we will be flipped with an random town role that is still in game?
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
this is pretty dumb but

Important game mechanic! At the beginning on each day I will be randomly selecting one of you to flip with a random town role should you be killed. You will not be told who gets selected each day.

if we die, we will be flipped with an random town role that is still in game?

Hedin refused to clarify this earlier, we're in the dark.

1. Will this apply even if there are only 2 of us left?
2. Is the "random town role" out of the set of roles included in this game, or out of all possible mafia town roles?
3. Is vanilla a random town role?
4. If the selected player dies, will they also flip with a different character name? If so, will it be the same as any of our fake claims?
1. Yes it will apply if there is only two of you.
2. PAFO (Play And Find Out)
3. PAFO
4. PAFO

Sorry I couldn't do any better than 1 for 4!
 
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