Spectator Thread The Judges Table
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Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Now I feel even worse. Nat doesn't get checked if I don't flip.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Some slick plays on day one, well done!
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Town will likely win since they're so far ahead right now, but I question some of the logic being presented in the thread right now. Lot of revisionist behaviour going on.
It's funny how Zipped said that him dying D1 would've been a meme vote, when the same happens to me in most of my games. Just so happens that this time I was scum.
I feel for Random and Bojack. Hard to play when everyone else's mind has been made up.
It's funny how Zipped said that him dying D1 would've been a meme vote, when the same happens to me in most of my games. Just so happens that this time I was scum.
I feel for Random and Bojack. Hard to play when everyone else's mind has been made up.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
That's all fair. Not a lot of folks actually voted you so it makes sense people are trying to skew day 2 more in their favour. Its very easy to get tunnel vision after a victory too. I was looking at Random and Nat equally earlier. With Nat flipping it's a 50/50 that Nat was doing a good job of standing beside Rando to look town or they were both at it. I think I would probably flip Rando to be sure. The only thing being how demoralised Rando has appeared in his last set of posts , I made a note after Nightless to try and read that better and where that comes from.
If Rando comes up town I'd probably Default back closer to my initial PoE . EC still hasn't done anything to particularly look town, he mostly just talks about his own meta and there are people who jumped or threatened to jump on that even after Nat was off. There's also just a bunch of people still stepping around the edges not commiting to too much and didn't vote EoD1. Rando is a victim of being active and commiting opinions right now whatever alignment he is.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
They are acting like the game is solved and, spoiler, it's not.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
they are stupid far ahead now, but yeah. this isn't ending soon
Sawneeks
little green dog
It scares me how good you are at spec reads lol
Sawneeks
little green dog
Tbh I think played right, scum could still win. All gonna come down to in thread play.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
It’s absolutely possible, but it’s a hell of a hill to climb
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Er, zipped with the “meme flip” comment looks like a doctor soft to ME.
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Can we vote a gamerunner joke?
If it's bad enough.
Sawneeks
little green dog
with the roll she has been on she can have at least 1 bad joke per day.
Pancakes is the purest dad joker in the game and my dad joke mvp.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I also want to say that I find it disrespectful to suggest that I was just aiming for 5 posts and that I didn't care about a warning. I joke about it, but I'd never deliberately undermine the rules of the game by posting less than 10 times a day. I always aim for 10, not 5, and I take every warning (AFAIK I've ever only received one) seriously. Just because I was scum and on the chopping block this time doesn't mean I'd bend the rules.
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
The darth vader one in the flip was bad because it should have called him anakin at the point where he was tryna be a daddy.
but nuevo’s mcd’s character references are also highly terrible
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
They had created a very small PoE for themselves early day 2 for how many folks are still on the board and skirting the edges. Kind of thought it was loosening in a good way last night for town but Monkey is just entirely hung up on Random. She was at least finally looking at it as being possible for Rando scum vs rando pocketed at the end there. If they choose Random and assuming he is town, I hope they don't just immediately go onto Bojack. Loudest voices are eating each other right now
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Well I'm having fun spectating lol since they aren't sure how many scum are to go, I can see why they're still engaged
It looks like they are going to try to have some fun with it while they can.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Oh I just meant the remaining scum, not all players.
We're not in turbo range yet so it doesn't matter but there is no point in keep going in circles with the same arguments that leads to the same outcome. If you want to push new reads, or put some pressure somewhere else and see what shakes, or whatever then do it but if everyone is leaning towards Player X then just vote Player X and move things along.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
No, we must kill time for reasons. I get it if new things are being discussed, but if you’re circling the drain.. and there are so few people in our community willing to be the hammer on an early turbo without getting wide approval anyways that it rarely matters to put it in range lol
My philosophy, and I have evolved this opinion, is that as long as there is additional discussions going on about other targets or other pieces of the game then don't turbo and let those discussions play out. After a day after everyone has had a chance to check in and comment, once things have kind of been decided in one direction and everyone is just waiting for the timer and not really probing or putting out any other thoughts then it's time to just end it.
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Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
That's a good summary. Swinging in out of nowhere and placing the last vote is almost always going to get people's backs up, but hammering when either there's an early day turbo that's completely unopposed or after the conversation's run its course will - usually - be more acceptable.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
This is funny because it was the Sparks hammer I felt worse about, I struggled all game with the idea I was sus for hammering Zipped since he was actually scum lol. I had genuinely no concept coming in though there were any connotations connected to the action though. The Sparks one I deeply regretted because he didn't get a chance to say anything. Live and learn though, I won't forget it.
How's it everyone feeling on Random now? I think off the back of Nat I absolutely would have wanted that vote but he reminds me of your last post or two in Nightless now Alex and its kind of awful, I'd like to think I'd be town leaning on him now but it's hard to know.
Random better be town. I can't stand another emo wolf performance.
Also sad to see monkey go.
Also sad to see monkey go.
Out of curiosity why do you think pancakes is scum?
I was thinking the same tbh lol
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
She's doing a great job of staying in the mid, saying enough but then stepping back out in this day phase, putting forward that she's willing to consider voting a certain way but come a town flip it would be on someone else's head. Allowing VA to put out a reads list and say hers was practically the same, again it's good shadowing. Something about that interaction makes me want to look between the two of then specifically and both of them stepped in on the EC vote after Nat stepped off also so I could see one or the other (not both). If I had to narrow right now I'd look at the two of them, but Amb is vapor right now (gutnsays the other scum would not be as quiet as LP was but its entirely possible) and Cap is just really out there lol. Contingent that EC isn't in fact scum, I'd push through the four of them and be surprised not to find the remaining scum. All of them are stepping around Monkey/Launch/Random/Bojack grinding off each other.
Incidentally I had been sitting on this list since Nat went, posted it and Zipped voted her a minute later lol I think she's doing a great job either way but I can definitely see signs of self preservation in there oppose to solving (and her jokes have be top notch)
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Pancakes isn’t mafia. She’s just someone having a good time.
Mafia is either on the Zipped wagon or is VA. That’s it.
This game should have been incredibly easy. Random is a very sensible flip in the game state. Right now he unlocks everything - either he’s mafia or it’s down to Bojack and VA. But if he flips town, it’ll be me, Pancakes, someone in the town core, oh no it’s actually Zipped- and I could see that and it made me fucking exhausted.
I quit. I’m gonna stay on as an admin but I’m done playing here. I think our game structure, our glee in designing tricks, in bussing, in extra paranoia, in fancy play and gambits, it’s not fun. It’s miserable. And I’m not leaving myself out. I carry it with me. I can see how I did it in at least two games at MU - how I did what people are doing to me. How I felt it here- the need to look at Launch, at Ambo of all people, because the trick is always at the fore. We are so focused on that that we can’t see any kind of just purity or enjoyment. We can’t find town because oh no someone has been nice or oh no someone did something mean once. I’m tired of contributing to it. I’m tired of being in it. I’m tired.
It makes me sad. I’m very sad to miss Russian Doll. But I wanted so badly to get to play a town game and I was so happy to get my PM and to do what I love. But when I realized that this is it, this is the BEST CASE for me- that’s not fun. It’s exhausting.
And I cried this morning because I stayed up for hours only to be met with fresh paranoia reads, because we can’t read WIM and excitement. And it reminded me of doing it to Jay and Wisdom at MU for the same reasons. And how genuinely frustrated they were and how hard it must have been to keep playing anyway. And I only did it because they were engaged. It had to be a power wolf.
I was wrong. And we are too.
And at this point if I play mafia, it means missing out on other things. I’m not going to make the choice if it makes me depressed. If it makes me feel like shit. And so I cried because I love this game and also because I hate what it does to me and because I will miss the intensity and the pure joy of GETTING IT.
I’m sorry for what Random is feeling. I truly am. It is hard to be in the PoE. But the town core strategy works and being in the PoE is a function of everyone solving and narrowing. This game is very clear. I am dead certain. So it sucks for him if it’s not him, but the answer is in those three and not in paranoia or fancy play. but we don’t know how to do that. I hope as a community we can all learn.
So I’m done. And I’ll be sad for a while but at least I’ll get some sleep.
And if your urge is to mock my feelings here then let me offer a preemptive fuck you.
I hope Neki replaces in and can ride off my exit and avoid getting the side eye he always gets for no good reason. But realizing that the towniest thing I could do was removing myself from the equation? That hurt. That hurt a lot.
Mafia is either on the Zipped wagon or is VA. That’s it.
This game should have been incredibly easy. Random is a very sensible flip in the game state. Right now he unlocks everything - either he’s mafia or it’s down to Bojack and VA. But if he flips town, it’ll be me, Pancakes, someone in the town core, oh no it’s actually Zipped- and I could see that and it made me fucking exhausted.
I quit. I’m gonna stay on as an admin but I’m done playing here. I think our game structure, our glee in designing tricks, in bussing, in extra paranoia, in fancy play and gambits, it’s not fun. It’s miserable. And I’m not leaving myself out. I carry it with me. I can see how I did it in at least two games at MU - how I did what people are doing to me. How I felt it here- the need to look at Launch, at Ambo of all people, because the trick is always at the fore. We are so focused on that that we can’t see any kind of just purity or enjoyment. We can’t find town because oh no someone has been nice or oh no someone did something mean once. I’m tired of contributing to it. I’m tired of being in it. I’m tired.
It makes me sad. I’m very sad to miss Russian Doll. But I wanted so badly to get to play a town game and I was so happy to get my PM and to do what I love. But when I realized that this is it, this is the BEST CASE for me- that’s not fun. It’s exhausting.
And I cried this morning because I stayed up for hours only to be met with fresh paranoia reads, because we can’t read WIM and excitement. And it reminded me of doing it to Jay and Wisdom at MU for the same reasons. And how genuinely frustrated they were and how hard it must have been to keep playing anyway. And I only did it because they were engaged. It had to be a power wolf.
I was wrong. And we are too.
And at this point if I play mafia, it means missing out on other things. I’m not going to make the choice if it makes me depressed. If it makes me feel like shit. And so I cried because I love this game and also because I hate what it does to me and because I will miss the intensity and the pure joy of GETTING IT.
I’m sorry for what Random is feeling. I truly am. It is hard to be in the PoE. But the town core strategy works and being in the PoE is a function of everyone solving and narrowing. This game is very clear. I am dead certain. So it sucks for him if it’s not him, but the answer is in those three and not in paranoia or fancy play. but we don’t know how to do that. I hope as a community we can all learn.
So I’m done. And I’ll be sad for a while but at least I’ll get some sleep.
And if your urge is to mock my feelings here then let me offer a preemptive fuck you.
I hope Neki replaces in and can ride off my exit and avoid getting the side eye he always gets for no good reason. But realizing that the towniest thing I could do was removing myself from the equation? That hurt. That hurt a lot.
You’re right. It was unfair of me to frame it that way and I apologize. No good reason for it. Don’t like the way I am in these things. Another reason to stop.
and my last thing-
working together is hard. It's so much harder than anything else, really - harder than digging through posts and building cases. I should have just listened to Cappa. If my analysis pointed to him as town - and it did - then I should trust him on the name thing, even though it seems to make no sense to me. HE believes it. I believe that. And I believe he's town. So it should follow that I believe him, even if it doesn't change my read on Randomless much. The result ends up the same. The spirit is better. And maybe later we solve another part together because we built that spirit, because I listened and just accepted it instead of jumping to weird thought = nefarious purpose.
Maybe it's not possible. Maybe it's a pipe dream? And maybe right now I just feel too crushed by the general state of the world to chase another ideal and see it crumble. like I know this could absolutely just be... me. I'm just working through my thoughts aloud so I can close the book.
working together is hard. It's so much harder than anything else, really - harder than digging through posts and building cases. I should have just listened to Cappa. If my analysis pointed to him as town - and it did - then I should trust him on the name thing, even though it seems to make no sense to me. HE believes it. I believe that. And I believe he's town. So it should follow that I believe him, even if it doesn't change my read on Randomless much. The result ends up the same. The spirit is better. And maybe later we solve another part together because we built that spirit, because I listened and just accepted it instead of jumping to weird thought = nefarious purpose.
Maybe it's not possible. Maybe it's a pipe dream? And maybe right now I just feel too crushed by the general state of the world to chase another ideal and see it crumble. like I know this could absolutely just be... me. I'm just working through my thoughts aloud so I can close the book.
I think this is what the town core is supposed to accomplish. You find people that you feel are town and then you give them more weight and maybe a little more leeway. It doesn't mean you need to be on the same page as the other people, we've all gone off our own tangents, but it should be more of like a "hey, I don't buy your current argument but I can see how town you is working through things" and let that be that.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Really sorry to read that, Monkey - hope you feel better after some time away from the game. I think this community can get too hung up on meta and policy at times - I think we've all seen the jokes about never trusting Sorian and things like that - and when it's taken too far, it can make the game less fun to play. It's a big reason why I lost a lot of interest during Nightless mafia, as after my early mistakes led to me being taken for scum by a lot of the room despite my protestations, it made me feel as though there wasn't much point in putting more effort in.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
@heymonkey I’m sorry you’ve hit this point, but I can relate. I was pretty frustrated when you just blanket said I should never be allowed to an endgame again, and I don’t get as much paranoia as you receive on average. It sucks, especially because it’s not like I’m all that good at mafia. I’m not going to quit though, I think I’m just gonna be an ass in a bunch of games until my meta is perceived differently. If that doesn’t work though who knows.
A horse walks into a bar... Wait, Hedin already made that one.
I turned up with 20 minutes to go expecting to have to defend myself aaand it's a turbo. I could just never get any purchase and get people to connect with me. It's a bit frustrating because I was trying to put my best town game forward but just couldn't pull it together. Feeling salty lol
Also, sorry that I piled on today Monkey. I came across too hot against you and I should have just taken a step back from the game for a moment. I never want people to feel bad.
I turned up with 20 minutes to go expecting to have to defend myself aaand it's a turbo. I could just never get any purchase and get people to connect with me. It's a bit frustrating because I was trying to put my best town game forward but just couldn't pull it together. Feeling salty lol
Also, sorry that I piled on today Monkey. I came across too hot against you and I should have just taken a step back from the game for a moment. I never want people to feel bad.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Hey @BoJack Horseman ! You were in a tough spot lol I wouldn't feel too bad about going there
Do we have a good feel for who the remaining scum are? After that rush of votes, I think I'd look at EC. Felt like he really wanted the vote on me but didn't want to be the first.
Thanks Donnie! It's mafia at the end of the day, I'm sure I'll be ready to be hurt again soon enough lol
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I have my current reads above!
I hope town can come in with a fresh head tomorrow. With me gone and Monkey and Random replacing out, hopefully they go back to square one and re-evaluate their thoughts.
If you had been scum sure, but with you town I don't know how vere survives, its just such a question mark that will hang over the game.
Pancakes perhaps seemed quite eager to move her vote to you but not actually just doing it. Kind of asking others if they would move and saying she would too it kind of feels like a way to distance oneself from the misvote.
But I dunno. I still find launch's behaviour odd even though he's the town cop lol so what do I know
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
So my assumption originally was Launch would check Monkey during the night but Monkey leaving (seems?) to have tied that end up for him. My thought was Random would go and he would check Bojack but I guess the door is open to do it the other way around now. Unless he has totally different ideas he's not posting. I'm not super familiar with a regular game that has roles but I'm guessing scum will aim at Zipped tonight?
It would make sense, launch will be zipped's protect target so might as well kill the doc
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Mafia IS hard.
But it’s also coming up on the solstice in the northern hemisphere. Everyone go buy some vitamin D supplements especially if you moved north. Less sunlight equals a confused circadian rhythm [and daylight saving a couple weeks ago exacerbates it, good on arizona, and i don’t say that about much].
But it’s also coming up on the solstice in the northern hemisphere. Everyone go buy some vitamin D supplements especially if you moved north. Less sunlight equals a confused circadian rhythm [and daylight saving a couple weeks ago exacerbates it, good on arizona, and i don’t say that about much].
Not many nominations but here is the poll for worst jokes of D2: https://forms.gle/XumNwPXFjfCBEELs8
The poll will close 2 hours before day starts.
The poll will close 2 hours before day starts.
Pancake
anex
Cap
Monkey (which Vere would accept in her honor)
Also I really enjoy the method your faction is undertaking with the kill.
I swear, if they just chain into a Vere kill after I said this would happen, I'm burning spec to the ground. 
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Vere’s opening was good. I nominate it. The whole thing, not any one piece.
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Evil made a post a couple pages back that made me jump up and down and yell SCUM. Literally. In the figurative sense.
If we're getting into godfather speculation, I'd say EC. He was godfather in Fantasy and he seems similar here. I think it emboldens him to play the way he does knowing he'll come up green.
Could explain his weirdness around when asked if he scum abd said this:
could see him applying the logic of him getting green check meaning he doesn't have to be honest by his weird logic lol
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Oh I like that lol
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Launch is putting in work this game
I can't tell if pancakes is just rusty or scummy. But I'm not sure I've ever correctly read her lol
Launch has convinced me, Pancakes is town
I agree, and whether Launch is right or not, he's doing a real good attempt at focusing people and stopping wild paranoia from taking over. It's super easy to start thinking "what if it's Pancakes?" "what if it's Zipped?" but that's not helpful right now. He's keeping them on a good road I think.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
It's completely on point to be looking at EC and Ambo's slot at this point for the sheer inactivity and lack of commitment to any reads or discussion points. I like ATP's quote pull on EC last night lol it plays well with his shtick but honestly he's been on the docket since the end of day one for saying nothing and doing little beyond discussing himself, you don't even need the meta crutch to put him to vote. I'd slide VA and Pancakes up to null off the back of Launch's arguments and get to EC quicker. They're still logical to look at if they don't get the remaining scum there but it's the right move to do EC and Wham-Stan.
A Wild Shark Appears
Our resident acupuncturist
Wish I had started with or changed to VA, but at that point I just didn’t have the motivation to keep going.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Hey Amb! Hope you're doing alright dude :) lots of great jokes
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
LOL ec just open wolfing now.
WElp.
WElp.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EC's about to flip vanilla town, just like he said. D1 + D2 indicate EC is town.
LP didn't vote there d1 because it wouldn't have made any difference by the numbers; no one was changing to EC. If Random/Vere has a green check, then it's just VA, which also tracks with people (Nat) wanting to know why I couldn't just townread him.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
EC's last post honestly reads to me like he just confirmed/knows there's only one more mafia to find. *It's Launch* etc, it's all framed as a singular scum. Launch has been positing that but I don't feel like that's something Town have agreed as a whole? Also doubtful you would think that way if you thought Launch was so sus.
There is no way EC flips town here right? This is do bizarre lol
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
There was a way lmao
I just don't get why town would ever play the way he did
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
Let me just say, I had a fucking blast this last day.
Luan Loud was the role I was destined to play.
Luan Loud was the role I was destined to play.
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Unexpected
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Imagine if scum Launch faked a red check on scum Nat to ride all the way to victory as last scum. Shades of Transistor GOTY mafia.
Only two were nominated so it's a two person poll (I have the feeling it would be a runaway anyways): https://forms.gle/fAzsm63Wa4SCfCAV9
Fanto
Confirmed Town
#MonkeyWasRight
As always.
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
Open Wolfed As A Vanilla Townie
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Okay let's see
Town
Launch
Monkey/Neki
Random/Ver
Anex
Null
Cap
Scum lean:
Pancakes
Va
Ambo
EC getting booted was a good move since you can look at the movement around him and the votes on day 1 (and now day 3) more clearly imo I still think there's something in there between VA and Pancakes. Both were on EC on day 1 as well, so again I'd be (again) inclined to tighten my view there depending how the day goes. Pancakes kept the EC option alive on day one and pushed it, then dipped day 3. We've noted how she makes decisions that someone else would take the fall for. Very interested whether Monkey's call on VA is right or if it's Pancakes. I'd keep Ambo's slot in mind but neither Amb or Stan sat on EC and its just a hard slot to read given Amb dropped out and Stan's timezone differences.
Town
Launch
Monkey/Neki
Random/Ver
Anex
Null
Cap
Scum lean:
Pancakes
Va
Ambo
EC getting booted was a good move since you can look at the movement around him and the votes on day 1 (and now day 3) more clearly imo I still think there's something in there between VA and Pancakes. Both were on EC on day 1 as well, so again I'd be (again) inclined to tighten my view there depending how the day goes. Pancakes kept the EC option alive on day one and pushed it, then dipped day 3. We've noted how she makes decisions that someone else would take the fall for. Very interested whether Monkey's call on VA is right or if it's Pancakes. I'd keep Ambo's slot in mind but neither Amb or Stan sat on EC and its just a hard slot to read given Amb dropped out and Stan's timezone differences.
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Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Imagine if scum Launch faked a red check on scum Nat to ride all the way to victory as last scum. Shades of Transistor GOTY mafia.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Now having died.
Scum was gaming my power being used on myself night 2.
hence the Kopite kill.
I got a mini spoiler (confirmed a role no alignment) so I’m not going to weigh in more on who should be dead and who isn’t.
I protected monkey n1, and launch n3.
And also
Scum was gaming my power being used on myself night 2.
hence the Kopite kill.
I got a mini spoiler (confirmed a role no alignment) so I’m not going to weigh in more on who should be dead and who isn’t.
I protected monkey n1, and launch n3.
And also
