Shark Movie Mafia |Mason| A Flippin Good Time
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I don't remember much from Finding Nemo beyond the broad strokes =/
That would be interesting with Chuggs. I didn't catch that breadcrumb either lol.
Seems like it's going to be a slow 24 hrs
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Tbh, I don't know. Last game Zeke was scum and he was bullheaded in the same way, I don't know if that's ai. It might not be.
I disliked how he came into today being so negative which I thought was completely unnecessary, but he's also not making any friends. I'm null here, I'd want to keep an eye on him more and see if other people connect to him.
I don't think Kop has anything one way or another, pretty much a blank slate there. Zipped has been a little more active but still not a ton either.
Your list is pretty much my list currently, I'm trying not to read too much into Chugg's initial reaction when I was bringing up Swamped. Speaking of Swamped you have anything there? I'm not tunneling yet but I can see the entrance so if you think I might be looking in the wrong direction just shout.
Your list is pretty much my list currently, I'm trying not to read too much into Chugg's initial reaction when I was bringing up Swamped. Speaking of Swamped you have anything there? I'm not tunneling yet but I can see the entrance so if you think I might be looking in the wrong direction just shout.
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Nothing yet, there's not much there. She mentioned Ty and Haw as scum reads so I'm going to wait and see how she ends up leaning at EoD and whether she's consistent. The synchronicity reasoning is odd but it's whatever for me.
I hope we don't, it's a really good roster with people I know who can positively contribute so I hope they all do.
Thought Swamped came out OK this morning so probably backing off that for now but Chugg is now giving me an irrational itch based on how he approached Swamped. I think you called it in that you and Zeke were just incompatible last night, I don't think I currently see scum, that's NAI for him.
Absolutely no idea where to go currently.
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I hope so too, I'm just going off of last game.
Swamped came out ok...her reasoning for scum reading Ty took my by surprise, though I don't think scum Swamped uses such a thing. Chuggs protecting Swamped was weird, as was Zeke doing similarly over her short entrance. Something to take note of I guess.
I am completely stumped on where to go. No one seems like the correct decision.
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It's interesting that ATP likes Ty's entrance while Swamped thinks it's scummy. Hmmmm, I think we're missing some reads.
I don't think Salva ever responded to me asking about who he likes. He hasn't really made a stance this game anyway except commenting on Ty overly townreading people.
I don't think Salva ever responded to me asking about who he likes. He hasn't really made a stance this game anyway except commenting on Ty overly townreading people.
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My main problem is that everything with Zeke starts with self-interest and I don't know how to tackle reading that.
Yeah I get that. I don't think I have ever successfully read Zeke, feels like when I think he's scum he's town and vice versa, I just hope one of us dies before I have to try to solve him.
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That would suck, but I do get the feeling we're good targets for a NK unless scum want us to kick around as I can't see us being protected.
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ATP, Salva never showed up, I didn't like nin's vote post on me when he already said he was voting for a top poster.
I really don't get why he confirmed her like that as scum, weird play.
Chugg is in play now too.
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Probably trying to save her. Her power doesn't seem scum at all so if people quickly jumped to me suddenly after his claim she'd be kind of townread.
With nin and little side eye that he said he was steering clear of you and Zeke but then voted your way in the end. I think that vote tied you for the lead so it needs some scrutiny. He didn't really give thoughts on others either.
Thorny I'm iffy about. I don't like she had the wrong reasoning behind her vote for me and didn't pivot when corrected. But she did really tie herself to Swamped in a way that makes it weird if they are scum together.
If it's him good chance I die tonight.
Ty and Geno probably clear right? That does not seem like a bus situation.
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That's true. I'm conflicted on Haw, she got some things wrong and was hyping up Swamped all day but she didn't move to save her (maybe she wasn't here?) and it would be incredibly unnecessary to tie themselves together like you said.
Ty and Geno are good, a bus in that situation makes no sense. Hmmm, I'd say Ty gets more credit here, Ty could have switched to me or HP at any time but he didn't.
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That would suck, but maybe it won't be like that? You were one of the leading people on Swamped since early so they have to take into account you're likely to be protected.
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Likely Chuggs. Not sure how I'd feel about a kingkitty situation >.>
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Hm, hopefully they didn't make a scum gossip. I think you can trust him for tonight.
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I think that's a good way to go about it.
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If I were scum I'd kill Ty, that's a high profile death that makes sense.
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>.> Then what was Zeke doing.
No clue at all. It doesn't make sense as scum and doesn't make sense as town so he better have a damn good explanation.
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Think my reads would be:
Good people:
Hedin
Ty
People I like:
Geno
Considering: (They both remained neutral and it could either be genuine, or they didn't want to have that vote record)
ATP
Chuggs
People who are null
XXX
People who are suspicious to me after the flip:
Zeke
Haw
Nin
Good people:
Hedin
Ty
People I like:
Geno
Considering: (They both remained neutral and it could either be genuine, or they didn't want to have that vote record)
ATP
Chuggs
People who are null
XXX
People who are suspicious to me after the flip:
Zeke
Haw
Nin
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Just a complete shitshow.
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Nope, he claimed in a non-threatening way.
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I don't think someone could claim they could kill both of you in a non-threatening way <.<
He did say if Swamped had flipped town he would have considered it with how the night went but thats not the case here.
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I'm going to defer to you here on if you think he's trustworthy. Might be best to trade reads too just in case he's town.
I'm still not sure where he is on the town scum spectrum, I need to go over his Swamped stuff more, but I trust that he's not going to blow both of us away tonight.
His current reads (roughly paraphrasing and organizing here):
Zeke - weird but seems too weird to be a scum play
Geno - thinks if there is a bus on Swamped its Geno because he could see Geno doing a throw away vote like that on a teammate.
Vere - he town reads you currently
nin - thinks nin's vote on you looks bad
Salva - not a fan of his basically no vote
Thorny - could be scum stacking on me but more than likely wrong town
ATP - thinks is ok based on not trying to save Swamped
Zipped and HP - not much there, thinks HP is slightly worse but thinks they were both apathetic
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He missed Kop?
That's an ok list.
Kop has "good vibes", thinks there is more than likely to be something there with HP than Kop.
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That's interesting. It sounds like he's down on HP.
I wonder what excuse Zeke will come up with, or if he'll go full open wolf. Should probably start going over Zeke/Swamped connections and post them here so if I die you can have them.
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So, let's look at Zeke. He very early on opened up with saying that he didn't see any posts of substance before him, except for Swamped who asked Chuggs
Here is where I feel Zeke starts to try and discredit others. I'm unsure if it was to shade Ty or try to keep options open.
He does a PIK and puts Swamped as his protect target, presumably because of the same initial town read:
Before this happens however, Swamped makes these posts:
Doesn't mention Zeke again until these posts:
EoD comes around and Zeke asks me this question on what other scum reads I have:
Sadly it took a while for Swamped to make it here.
In a last ditch effort to switch the train to me from Swamped Zeke goes full out:
This man is scum as fuck. +1 for my gutreads.
A low ball why ask Nin that isn't followed up by her but is in his opinion the only townie post. This forms the basis of his strong Swamped town read.
Here is where I feel Zeke starts to try and discredit others. I'm unsure if it was to shade Ty or try to keep options open.
He comments that my question to Nin doesn't really go anywhere, but it answers the three people nin feels most comfortable with atm and Zeke is among them. Nin then goes on to join Zeke on me after saying he wouldn't, which proves that it was accurate.
He does a PIK and puts Swamped as his protect target, presumably because of the same initial town read:
Pages later, while he had HP as his kill target, he soon starts canvassing for me as a vote. Moves HP from his kill slot and puts me in, nothing changed, Swamped is still is top town. I am his only scum read for the rest of D1, his only read really besides Swamped being town, but we'll get to that.
This is one part (asking what to think about me not having solid scum reads now) that made me pause. Zeke has no scum reads beyond me, and HP was used as a placeholder scumread without reason. It's incredibly hypocritical of him here.
Before this happens however, Swamped makes these posts:
That's gearing up to make a stance on 'one' of us for a vote. The second post might seem like Swamped is suspicious of Zeke but it never comes to anything. I'm pretty sure this was used to distance them.
Doesn't mention Zeke again until these posts:
The first part is bullshit. She found it interesting because Zeke went for Ty and not me, the context is right there. The fact that she had to swivel it to townread Zeke and scum read me speaks volumes.
Keeps her options open but ultimately town reads Zeke.
EoD comes around and Zeke asks me this question on what other scum reads I have:
You can see Zeke is rattled here when I mention Swamped, it should be obvious why I don't like Salva's posta but he feels the need to say something. Interestingly he tries to discredit my Swamped read almost immediately. Accepts Salva without issue:
Now let's look at this scummoning:
I was just curious when swamped moved into his scum list because he he no one listed earlier when I asked him for two scum reads.
Tags Swamped and asks her to claim while voting for me. For one, with Swamped's odd change in mood towards Zeke and two, knowing on her flip that she's a gift giver, it's readily apparent that scum was banking on her being confirmable and getting town read by giving out gifts. As for why they wanted to misvote me, I can only think Zeke was the architect here.
Sadly it took a while for Swamped to make it here.
Here, I ask him for his scum reads and this is how Zeke responds. I also ask him where he'd go if I flip town and he ignores the question. Reminder, this is the same question he asked me earlier, so why doesn't he want to answer. To not give out more information than necessary.
In a last ditch effort to switch the train to me from Swamped Zeke goes full out:
He was probably hoping for one of Ty, ATP, or Chuggs to switch over when he claimed he knew she was telling the truth, but they didn't, and now he's holding the bag having confirmed that he not only knew she was a PR, but that she was a giftgiver.
This man is scum as fuck. +1 for my gutreads.
Verelios
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It's a short read really.
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Yeah, they're both shading Ty. Swamped scum reads him suddenly and Zeke takes affront at his post on him. It definitely feels like they're in lockstep on most issues.
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No problem, your business is more important. I'll do some work and come back to the thread when day starts. If I'm dead then I'll just go to spec lol, won't be the first time dying N1.
If we're both alive, tell me how you landed on Chuggs at the end.
Yeah I was just trying to find a way to give you an early heads up if I died which it appears that I am still kicking so that's good.
As for Chugg I think he's likely ok but there was enough Swamped defense, or at least lack of interest in pursuing that would prevent me from coring him.
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Yeah, I'm going to assume we're still alive since neither of us has been kicked out. As for Chuggs, I'm interested in what direction he goes today (I'm guessing he might start questioning Haw and HP) but I'm not worried he's a bad actor currently.
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I mean...it's great for me because I was hella scum reading him but certainly not who I would NK. It's possible it was a vig shot, maybe someone claims it.
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Well, now we know there's a RB. But I wonder why Geno?
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I agree, I'm stopping. I think he'll just use it to make himself busy.
Yeah. Like I know Zeke busses but Zeke also knows that and he's a good enough player to adjust as needed.
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Very similar to my own but HP=Hawthorn. He hasn't done much but he's been very inoffensive.
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Yeah, Salva is trending up for me. He came out and did a lot of work that he really didn't have to on a thunderdome day, I can believe he really was busy D1 although a heads up would have been nice.
It does feel kind of empty? Like, even if I want to get into Kop and Haw, if they're not here it's a bit hard. HP is hmmm...there's little there and it's tough getting him to open up but his responses to me just now are kinda weird, the weird that makes me think he's fine? He basically said there could be scum in all three people with him and it's not as if that was really necessary. He seems pretty unsure when it would be easier to make a stronger stance today. At least it wouldn't make the other 3 sideeye you.
It does feel kind of empty? Like, even if I want to get into Kop and Haw, if they're not here it's a bit hard. HP is hmmm...there's little there and it's tough getting him to open up but his responses to me just now are kinda weird, the weird that makes me think he's fine? He basically said there could be scum in all three people with him and it's not as if that was really necessary. He seems pretty unsure when it would be easier to make a stronger stance today. At least it wouldn't make the other 3 sideeye you.
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Zeke has yet to produce content about anything other than me, and even then, it's mainly a reaction. He doesn't feel like he's scum hunting at all, and the way he ducked last night is so bad.
Asking people to focus on something other than him and walking away when he's entirely focused on himself...is an amazing amount of hubris.
I'm started to get a funny gut feeling on Hawthorn. I can't pinpoint what it is exactly but something feels a little off. I know she approaches and sees things a little differently and I think that causes some attention on her that usually isn't warranted but I think if I didn't really believe that scum would stack on me like that I would have her higher up on my potentials.
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Going to be completely honest, her quick turn around on Zeke has me wondering what to think. Like, when she said she still saw Zeke as town having most of the facts, and then turned around when Zeke hard railed against her feels weird. As if she didn't expect him to turn on her. Which...I do find it strange that Zeke has pretty much only went after her despite having HP in his kill slot D1. I don't know, I'd need to go back to D1 and see what interactions Haw and Zeke had.
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Yeah, complete nonsense. He had an aside shading Kop today that was very small and he suddenly switches out of nowhere.
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I think Salva claimed Amnesiac. Whether that's true is up to debate.