Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen

Skull

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Can you break down this link for me, I might have missed a few posts, so I am not sure that I follow.
Rita and Zack were going at each other at the start of D3, but after Zack’s reread, both went for Zordon instead. The way it was set up, there is no way we’d have a bus this elaborate, especially considering we just hit scum last day.
All three are very active players that have commented on almost all topics, so flips are high info. We’re pretty comfortable with a strongman dead and the no kill night, I think we can risk a bit and go for a harder lynch right now.
 

Skull

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if that's your idea of pressure, then that's pretty lousy.

it's day 3 after scum just died, we had a "deathless" night, and i'm town as ****, which means even if i do die i'll just provide a ton of amazing reads in my death

why do i care about your substance-less vote again?
Cause that put you in the lead.
 

Skull

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Wait, when I say link I’m not saying you’re all scum. If you or Zordon (or Zack) flip scum, it would be really hard to build a case against the rest. That’s the link, like I explained in my previous post.
 

Trini

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I agree with Skull tbh. I definitely feel at least one of the three (Rita, Zordon, Zack) is scum.

I'm less sure about it being Zack now though. Zordon doesn't feel scummy in my gut, but Zack's post was compelling.
 
Wait, when I say link I’m not saying you’re all scum. If you or Zordon (or Zack) flip scum, it would be really hard to build a case against the rest. That’s the link, like I explained in my previous post.

so.... where do you intend to go when i flip town?

surely you didn't just try pressure the greatest evil witch without any plan?

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Zordon - Nice to see some work into Zordon. Despite being a very strong presence so far, most have just passed by his posts. Can’t really define what’s up with his playstyle, but I feel like it’s aggressive, with a lot of questioning and proding, but still too broad to actually lead into an actual lynch, which is the perfect play for a skillful scum. Without more flips though, it’s hard to say whether Zordon pushed for the right targets other than Jason.

maybe i'm just tired but i can't make sense of your read on zordon, btw.

the whole positive/negative contrast is weird, like you're trying to equal it out

"Despite being a very strong presence so far" (positive) / "most have just passed by his posts" (negative)

"Can’t really define what’s up with his playstyle" (negative) / "but I feel like it’s aggressive, with a lot of questioning and proding" (positive) / "but still too broad to actually lead into an actual lynch, which is the perfect play for a skillful scum." (negative)

but the real kicker is

"Without more flips though, it’s hard to say whether Zordon pushed for the right targets other than Jason."

why do you have to make that justification for your last negative? you have, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, a good read there. "the perfect play for a skillful scum", yet you're so easily pushing it aside with a weak justification? why? why why why why why?
 

Skull

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so.... where do you intend to go when i flip town?

surely you didn't just try pressure the greatest evil witch without any plan?
Unsure how your townie flip would change things. Same thing with Zordon. I’d reread the thread with either flip, of course.

Your dubious claim is tipping me towards voting for you, and the fact that you pushed for Zordon way harder than he did for you.
 
Unsure how your townie flip would change things. Same thing with Zordon. I’d reread the thread with either flip, of course.

Your dubious claim is tipping me towards voting for you, and the fact that you pushed for Zordon way harder than he did for you.

for a supposed town player on day three after lynching scum and having a deathless night, you are unusually indecisive and uncertain.

maybe you should fix that.
 

Skull

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What do you mean by pushing it aside? I’m scum reading Zordon.

You do seem bothered by my vote actually.
 
What do you mean by pushing it aside? I’m scum reading Zordon.

You do seem bothered by my vote actually.

nah, more bothered by that read, especially because it didn't sound like you were scum reading zordon there. sounded like you were trying to justify not scum reading him

but it pleases me to hear you say it outright

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fyi i think the remaining scum team is probably not on the jason lynch.

it's not impossible, of course. if scum is on that bus, they're probably near the end due to how that played out

but three shot strongman is a pretty powerful role, especially compared to my own role...

scum don't want to bus that if they don't have to

they don't know what kind of protection they're looking at, after all.

if i'm lynched today, best look carefully at people who weren't on the jason lynch and who showed any hesitation in regards to me. zordon especially!

anyhow, time for sleeepppzzzz A WITCH NEEDS HER BEAUTY SLEEP OKAY?
 

Black Ranger

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Vote: Zordon

Having had time to consider, between the two I am leaning towards, I feel worse about Zordon than Alpha so I think I'll place my vote there.
 

Skull

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for a supposed town player on day three after lynching scum and having a deathless night, you are unusually indecisive and uncertain.

maybe you should fix that.
Huh? What does the deathless night have to do with this? And, yeah, I haven’t cleared the game because I got Jason right.

What would you do if Zordon flipped town? I’m sure you considered that already, right?
 
What would you do if Zordon flipped town? I’m sure you considered that already, right?

look over zack's argument again for any holes, and do a re-read on anyone who was trying to put shade on zordon + wasn't on the jason lynch

(i had to get up and check something unrelated to the game, which is the only reason i'm responding so fast. i'm gone now, byebye!)
 

Zordon

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he feels like green is scum but no one posted a supporting case. And looking back, neither did he despite voting for them, switching his vote to me, voting back to green and then voting back to me near the end.
I went through Green's empty posts not once but twice. Once with every single post from the day phase. I also clarified the case to Yellow. This is complete fantasyland bullshit. rac was the only other person to make a case against Green around that vote and it was right at eod - I flagged it. But after the swings to Red/rac and some of the other weird swings yes I was deeply concerned scum was following me on that vote. What you have said here is absolutely untrue. I posted about that too, and explained it. You either missed those posts completely (and there were several on these two topics) or you're just inventing things. And apparently people will just follow without checking the work for themselves.
 

Skull

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look over zack's argument again for any holes, and do a re-read on anyone who was trying to put shade on zordon + wasn't on the jason lynch
Basically the same thing I said I would then. Ok.

fyi i think the remaining scum team is probably not on the jason lynch.

it's not impossible, of course. if scum is on that bus, they're probably near the end due to how that played out

but three shot strongman is a pretty powerful role, especially compared to my own role...

scum don't want to bus that if they don't have to

they don't know what kind of protection they're looking at, after all.

I disagree. Jason almost got lynched at D1 already, easy to set up a innocent bus right at the start and see how the day pans out. That’s why Bulk’s vote felt off to me (reread on his D1 alleviated that).
 

Zordon

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I'll be busy with work for a few hours but please let me remind you of Black's nonsensical strategy, his inability to produce proof of his own scumhunting, and today, the sharp reduction in his posts after Jason's flip. If that was a gambit and it failed he might be lost at what to do today.
 

Skull

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but three shot strongman is a pretty powerful role, especially compared to my own role...

scum don't want to bus that if they don't have to

they don't know what kind of protection they're looking at, after all.

Rita, are you bullshiting us with that claim of yours? Cause I think you are right now.
 

Black Ranger

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Well I'm fine either way, if I get lynched then once I flip town, I'd say keep an eye on Zordon and Alpha 5.

One of them is scum I think.
 

Trini

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rita repulsa
(3 votes)
rac - #1610
zack - #1702
#1868
bulk - #1708
skull - #1885

zordon
(3 votes)
zack - #1868
rita repulsa - #1870
black ranger - #1913

black ranger
(2 votes)
trini - #1616
#1645
zordon - #1788
trini - #1877

Man... people I trust are voting on Rita. People I don't trust are voting on Zordon. Yet I feel like Zordon is probably scum. Granted Rita's claim smells.

Vote: Rita Repulsa
 

Bulk

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Just caught up with the thread. Zack's post are a thing of beauty, and game-winning-worthy if they're scum IMO. I feel like I was schooled reading that, specially since many of his points against Zordon had to do with interactions they had with me and I didn't put in the work to make those connections myself. Really good job. I also gotta admit reading through those interactions with Zordon through Zack's lens is making me feel a bit wounded since most of those can retrospectively be read as Zordon invalidating my thoughts which turned out to be correct.

As things stand now I'm perfectly content with either of these 3 players being lynched.

Rita: I actually think the role they're claiming isn't that farfetched. I'm not a game balance genius, but 3-shot strongman vs 1-shot bp giver doesn't sound that bad to me, in the end it's all a gamble and there's no rule that says a strongman has to be directly countered by a town role (the fact that no one really thought of waiting for a counterclaim is evidence I think that we know a strongman in the game doesn't mean there has to be a BP too). Even if there was I don't think the difference in power is that big. No, what I have a problem with is Rita claiming at all, after the fuzz they made when Black claimed yesterday. They tried to make their claim today cute but it was really just as nonsensical as Black's claim was yesterday. I do have to ask though, why would Rita claim now if they are scum? Sure, they looked bad after the flip yesterday, but why bring more attention to themselves on top of that? Where they that desperate to find a claim that wasn't town so it felt a bit more safe in the future?

Black: Their behavior yesterday was baaaad. Claiming vanilla at a time the vote was far from decided. Deciding to defend Jason at the cost of their own flip. Just, WTF. That, plus the fact that I think Jason didn't really fight the lynch that much makes me think that maybe, we had 2 scum on the lead for a while there, and they might have resigned themselves to losing a body at that point, with Black, potentially a less powerful PR than Jason, attempting to take the bullet for him. I haven't really seen much today to oppose that read.

Zordon: Already said some about them above, but yeah, Zack's post was elucidating and I'm sold. I will admit that maybe the idea that Zordon's scum is extra appealing for me because him flipping scum would make me look extra good, but beyond that the truth is his voting record and the way he defended Jason when he was a lynch candidate D1 backs this read, and I'm ok with seeing where that leads us.

On the surface I also think either of these 3 is going to give us plenty of info upon their flip, but I'd like to reread their posts and maybe see if I can determine which stone I'd like to "turn first". Regardless I agree with those saying they're confident about there being scum in this trio.
 

White Ranger

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Going through Zack's reads from earlier seems like a pretty good way for me to figure out where I'm at with reads right now, particularly since I've completely lost my grip on the game at the moment and this should help steady me. The Zordon read is the logical place to start:

I disagree with the conclusion that Zordon's play looks scummy. Between my initial impressions of him and his response, I think the points raised are all sufficiently answered. When I first read Zordon's day 1 exchange with Bulk it read to me like he wanted to feel out how certain Bulk was in his Jason tunnel. In hindsight I do think that Bulk made a great catch sensing that there seemed to be a strange motive behind Jason's early blunder with his mason speculation, but before I started scumreading Jason it did stand out to me as an odd thing for Bulk to be focusing on and I'm not about to scumread anyone for having similar thoughts. Similarly, Trini's vote on Jason also seemed odd to me and Zordon did provide receipts proving that Trini was on his mind before voting her in the post you quoted. Also, Zordon saying that the part of that post about meta was in reference to an earlier conversation they'd had matches up with my memory of their day 1 interactions.

Of course since some of this relies on my memory I will go back and read over the relevant parts of day 1 to make sure I'm not forgetting something or remembering things incorrectly. However, I think its more important that I go through the rest of the reads first.
 

Skull

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I’m here mulling about Rita’s claim, and it doesn’t match up, for town or scum.

She said it herself when Black claimed: claiming vanilla is a bad move. Scum will just leave you there, waiting until town inevitably starts doubting it, while safely going for more important targets.

She knew that, and talked about it a lot, and even so did. One day after. Not really vanilla, but effectively one. And then ignored all arguments calling her out on it, just leaving it hanging. Which is doubly weird for a active player such as her.

But what if Rita is actually more than a 1-shot bulletproof giver and still has a PR? Rita realized how much a vanilla claim influences scum kill priority and decided to give a shot at it, pretending to be a normie while still having some shots left. Never mind the fact that just by claiming like that she skyrocketed at people scum read list, guaranteeing her some more days.

If I’m right and I’m outing you right now, I gotta say sorry, but it’s a bad gambit.
 

rac

whatever
Rac, what's your opinion on all this?
i wasn't feeling great about zordon anyways but i just feel worse about rita

definitely think either one could be scum

just not ready to say all the votes against me were town yesterday, especially when i voted a scum to put them in the lead

there was a post jason made analyzing all the votes in me before they knew they would shortly be voted out that said rita was town

after that jason started flailing a little bit even trying to get zack to look like scum

i don't see how there would be a need to do that unless jason had something in their post worth looking at

along with voting trini over jason and the whole press x to jason thing without ever actually pressuring their

i think my vote stays put but if it turns out neither are scum we're in trouble
 

Skull

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What do you mean by this?

Scum read people aren’t usually killed and her weird claim made people scum read her. If Rita is town, scum definitely considered killing her, and if you’re a PR you should avoid that.
 

White Ranger

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But what if Rita is actually more than a 1-shot bulletproof giver and still has a PR? Rita realized how much a vanilla claim influences scum kill priority and decided to give a shot at it, pretending to be a normie while still having some shots left. Never mind the fact that just by claiming like that she skyrocketed at people scum read list, guaranteeing her some more days.
Sorry, am I missing something here? It seems to me that that'll just lead to endless WIFOM.
 

Bulk

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Scum read people aren’t usually killed and her weird claim made people scum read her. If Rita is town, scum definitely considered killing her, and if you’re a PR you should avoid that.
Oh, you meant nightkilled by scum. Of course :P ok
 

Skull

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Sorry, am I missing something here? It seems to me that that'll just lead to endless WIFOM.
Well, I expected a lot more from Rita, she seems like a experienced player. Her claim was horribly contradictory with how she had been playing, I can’t see sense out of it, even if she’s scum.

The fact that she didn’t address most of the posts calling her out on it is also super weird to me.
 

Kimberly

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Scum read people aren’t usually killed and her weird claim made people scum read her. If Rita is town, scum definitely considered killing her, and if you’re a PR you should avoid that.

So you’re suggesting that she did this so people would scum-read her and she’d avoid a NK? But wouldn’t this put her at risk of being lynched anyway?
 

Trini

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If Rita's claim is so that scum doesn't predict that she's secretly a multi-shot BP... its a gambit I just don't think was worth it and frankly I'm not going to give Rita benefit of the doubt here.
 

Alpha 5

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It is a bit strange, but I feel like the game has been a lot less active in the mornings than previous day phases. It only takes me a few minutes to get caught up rather than an hour.

After sleeping on things, I've made up my mind.

Vote: Zordon

The case Zack made against Zordon looks pretty solid. I think the various doubts swirling around Rita and the Black Ranger are certainly valid too, but they don't seem as well developed. In particular, I don't think scum would make the play Rita did with that wild role claim, it draws too much attention. I don't think it is a good town play, and it certainly raises suspicion, but that can be saved for later.
 

Green Ranger

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I'm in the camp that Rita was probably lying about their role in order to draw scums attention some night. If I had that kind of role, that's what I would do. Although the timing is the questionable thing here.

Right now I'll vote for Zordon but I keep going back and forth between them, Rita and Black. I did post saying that I feel good about Black but there's always the feeling that I'm missing something.

Vote: Zordon
 

Kimberly

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I’m getting myself in a tangle over the Rita claim. Particularly the fact that a lot of people are saying a used PR is just the same as a vanilla town.

Surely not. Surely coming out as a used PR brings with it the information she could have gleaned from that. Unfortunately, it was ruined by Pink leaving the game. If this is true it’s not necessarily Rita’s fault that her use was a waste.

So why keep it hidden? What good would it have done to keep it secret? Even if she’d have come out on D5 and revealed she was a used PR, people would have been yelling “well why didn’t you tell us when Pink left?”

Catch 22. Don’t see me voting Rita today. Too much to be unsure about
 

Trini

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I’m getting myself in a tangle over the Rita claim. Particularly the fact that a lot of people are saying a used PR is just the same as a vanilla town.

Surely not. Surely coming out as a used PR brings with it the information she could have gleaned from that. Unfortunately, it was ruined by Pink leaving the game. If this is true it’s not necessarily Rita’s fault that her use was a waste.

So why keep it hidden? What good would it have done to keep it secret? Even if she’d have come out on D5 and revealed she was a used PR, people would have been yelling “well why didn’t you tell us when Pink left?”

Catch 22. Don’t see me voting Rita today. Too much to be unsure about

Nobody is saying "damn you Rita you wasted your power!"

Her claim is worthless. What info did we really gain out of knowing she used her one shot on Pink?

Keeping it secret has a lot of value. Namely that scum would've had no idea about who Rita used her power on, who used the power, or how many shots it had left. Scum having lost their strongman would've needed to play around bulletproof.

I'm seriously dumbfounded here. How can you defend her claim.
 

Trini

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Kimberly, by that logic why not just have everyone mass claim? Surely no good can come from keeping info hidden from scum, right?
 

Trini

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"Surely not. Surely coming out as a used PR brings with it the information she could have gleaned from that. Unfortunately, it was ruined by Pink leaving the game. If this is true it’s not necessarily Rita’s fault that her use was a waste."

The more I read that the more I don't understand. You make it sound like Rita made her claim BEFORE Pink's role/victory was revealed, and then that made poor Rita's claim bring no useful info.
 

Kimberly

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Nobody is saying "damn you Rita you wasted your power!"

Her claim is worthless. What info did we really gain out of knowing she used her one shot on Pink?

Keeping it secret has a lot of value. Namely that scum would've had no idea about who Rita used her power on, who used the power, or how many shots it had left. Scum having lost their strongman would've needed to play around bulletproof.

I'm seriously dumbfounded here. How can you defend her claim.
Because I’m trying to understand why she would claim. And no I’m not inviting a mass claim. Where is that implied???

The person she used it on is gone. That’s why I think she claimed. I get that you don’t like that she claimed. You made that clear at the time. I’m trying to understand why she did it.
 

White Ranger

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Now for Zack's read on Black Ranger:

This one I find myself agreeing much more with. While I put down him injecting his thoughts into most of the conversations and his foreshadowing to a difference in playstyle, when stacked up and laid out like that it does look suspicious to me. To illustrate just how strange things got with Black Ranger yesterday I think it would be useful to take a look at the post he made in response to my thoughts on him that I mentioned before signing off for the rest of day 2:
Just gotta answer this once and only once.

1. I don't feel like I have to prove myself when I'm sure others may disagree with my 'receipts'. If you think most of my posts are fluff, you can vote for me and I won't argue or defend myself because I feel my posts prove it. If you disagree that is fine but lynching me will only serve to hurt Town.

2. The scum list is mostly gut feels like I said so I have no evidence.
So point 1 really breaks down into 4 parts:
"I don't feel like I have to prove myself when I'm sure others may disagree with my 'receipts'." - Compare to this line that was in the post he was responding to:
On the other hand, he may well have not cared to search back for receipts for Zordon while he was so inflamed
While at first it does seem that he's providing a bit more reasoning why he didn't want to go back for receipts, the simple response is then "Why not provide the receipts and then give arguments for why they do in fact show you scumhunting?". To which the answer is then he either was in fact too irritated/annoyed/angry to want to go back and find them for Zordon (at which point the first part of point 1 is now pointless at best), or they really aren't there after all.
"If you think most of my posts are fluff, you can vote for me" - I never suggested or asserted that this was the case, perhaps this is more general rhetoric aimed at the whole game? If this is indeed actually a response to me then its another useless phrase.
"you can vote for me and I won't argue or defend myself because I feel my posts prove it." - Woe is me I've had a bad day, fair enough but defeatism isn't going to help yourself or Town.
"If you disagree that is fine but lynching me will only serve to hurt Town." - This has never and will never be a worthwhile statement to make.
As for point 2, that is precisely why myself and others felt that the scum list was suspicious in the first place!

HOWEVER, if Black Ranger really is scum then what the hell were the scum team doing yesterday? I understand the sacrifice theory that Trini has put forward, but that just seems kinda bizarre and defeatist to me (although thinking about it that does also describe Black Ranger's play towards the end of day 2). Perhaps their plan was to swing something at the end of the day, as in what happened to Red Ranger before him being revealed as rac and Town blew that train right up in their faces? But then surely if that'd worked then they'd just be scumread even harder the next day? I just don't feel like I can fully commit to a Black Ranger lynch without a better explanation.
 

melonrabbit

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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

zordon (5 votes)
zack - #1868
rita repulsa - #1870
black ranger - #1913
alpha 5 - #1938
green ranger - #1939

rita repulsa (4 votes)
rac - #1610
zack - #1702 #1868
bulk - #1708
skull - #1885
trini - #1924

black ranger (1 votes)
trini - #1616 #1645
zordon - #1788
trini - #1877 #1924

tommy (0 votes)
alpha 5 - #1732 #1791

zack (0 votes)
bulk - #1615 #1708
trini - #1645 #1877
rita repulsa - #1714 #1859

kimberly (0 votes)
tommy - #1764 #1858

Post Counts:
rita repulsa: 47 trini: 42 zordon: 35 zack: 32 black ranger: 25 skull: 25 kimberly: 24 rac: 22 blue ranger: 21 bulk: 20 tommy: 20 alpha 5: 18 green ranger: 10 white ranger: 6 yellow ranger: 5 sawneeks: 4 billy: 3

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

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White Ranger

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Well, I expected a lot more from Rita, she seems like a experienced player. Her claim was horribly contradictory with how she had been playing, I can’t see sense out of it, even if she’s scum.

The fact that she didn’t address most of the posts calling her out on it is also super weird to me.
Thanks for spelling that out for me.
Nobody is saying "damn you Rita you wasted your power!"

Her claim is worthless. What info did we really gain out of knowing she used her one shot on Pink?

Keeping it secret has a lot of value. Namely that scum would've had no idea about who Rita used her power on, who used the power, or how many shots it had left. Scum having lost their strongman would've needed to play around bulletproof.

I'm seriously dumbfounded here. How can you defend her claim.
That seems a little unfair, sure the line implying there would've been something to learn if Pink was still here is strange, but I think her point is that Rita had to claim sooner rather than later (let us just assume the claim is true for now). If Rita hadn't claimed then she'd be playing the dangerous game of "how late is too late to reveal my role?", something definitely avoided by claiming when she did.
 

Zordon

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wow, everyone who was on me yesterday is on zordon today

what a coincidence
And several of them are people I went after. Pretty interesting to track those coincidences and the movement around them but I can't post more now.

I don't fault Zack for his post at all that but the number of people who seem to be happy to just accept "big post with analysis" as absolutely accurate without digging into it makes me really sad for us right now. Especially since a couple of them seem to absolutely be using it for cover. I'm going to post one more answer to it when I get back and then focus back on my own scumhunting.
 

Trini

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The person she used it on is gone. That’s why I think she claimed. I get that you don’t like that she claimed. You made that clear at the time. I’m trying to understand why she did it.

Can you explain why her claim makes sense if Pink is gone, but doesn't make sense if Pink was still here?

Can I also ask why you're speculating on Rita's thoughts instead of letting Rita explain?
 

White Ranger

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Zack's read on Yellow Ranger is a fairly quick one to do: Once again I disagree, I don't think they are scummy at all.

I completely disagree that their vote on Jason at the start of the day feels unnatural. Besides the fact that they ended the day on Finster, what is the difference between this and Bulk picking up on the same thing off of Jason's mason speculation? Same deal, what makes Bulk "natural and honest", but Yellow Ranger instead "pushed strangely hard"? Then comes the point about Yellow Ranger switching their vote to Finster. I don't see how it could be that the switch was specifically to Finster given that Yellow Ranger had made it quite clear that Finster was right there with Jason as a preferred lynch target. That leaves the reason to scumread it as the timing of her switch, in this case a very similar situation to Red Ranger's switch and happening half an hour earlier, so the timing isn't scummy to me in the same way that Red Ranger's timing wasn't.
 

Zack

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I stand by decision here, yeah there was a lot of fluff and such but it really felt like Rita was putting herself out there at the time in a way that I am not accustomed to from scum.
Noted. I still find the way you talked about that list a bit weird, but it's good to know where you stand on it now.

I at the very least acknowledge that, if you’re only looking at the votes, this is a bad look. However, going back to my post #564, I was seriously casing against Finster before they had even a single vote, and they were the only other person other than Jason I seriously suspected that phase. I think this supports the truth of the matter, which is that my vote on finster was not intended to tie things and save Jason, but was simply because I was more confident in the case against finster (which was more well developed at the time).
I didn't ignore your post against Finster. It's good that you made it, because if that vote had come out of nowhere and completely without context I'd be 100% voting against you today.

But the timing of your unvote off of Jason/vote on Finster remains very shady. You turned a scum!Jason 4, Trini 3 situation into a three-way tie between scum!Jason, Trini and town!Finster. You dilluted the vote lead by backing off of scum and putting town on the line.

I also want to point out that I was an early voter on Jason D2 (and I think the earliest non-cancelled vote perhaps?) and never left that train. It’s natural that I’d go after my second hunch after the one I went with D1 didn’t pan out
I haven't looked into D2 yet, but yeah, I remember that.
 

Zack

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Wow, all that makes me feel better about Zack even if I think some of this is what you think it is but I don't see it as you trying to manufacture here because you put in some good work on d1 rereads. I doubt scum would put in such effort unless someone was on the line and it's too early in the phase for that.

Will respond generally but for this:

"Unnaturally" seems a bit of a stretch here. Before this phase, I have loads of posts on Jason and they go back and forth because honestly I wasn't sure where to put him. It was hard for me to figure him between distracted townie and poorly playing scum because either way his plays were not super great. There were so many people on him that I figured if he was scum he would get lynched eventually but when there are a ton of people highly focused on one target it always makes me kind of suspicious (which is why I went after Bulk, who spent a lot of d1 talking about Jason and the town leader thing with Black Ranger). But in 531 I put Jason right above Billy, who I voted, and I consistently put both Jason and Trini in my shady group of potential scum (533, 591 both have them and I know at least somewhere else in d1), which is why I said I was fine with either flip in #663 which you quoted. You're right that there are a few places where I could be read as defending him. I see that as you post it but my intent was just that I didn't want to see people tunneling to a point of manufacturing artificial connections but hey, turns out Jason was scum so maybe any potential "tunnels" were pretty good.

But when you quote that thing about me and Trini where I talked about d1 and meta, those two don't go together the way I think you're tying them together if I am reading you right. I also jumped on Jason for his 180s on Trini and my thing about meta was in reference to an earlier post about whether or not d1 was important.

I'll own that I fucked up and should have got more with the Jason stuff but I really wasn't sure how to read him so I spent more time looking elsewhere.
I think it's fair to acknowledge that you did talk about Jason during D1 more than I let off in that summary.

But I stand by the feeling that those final posts felt unnatural. Despite the fact that you had set up suspicions on Jason previously in the phase, you had stopped talking about them until the conversation with Bulk. During those final hours, when votes were flying all over the place and tensions were high, you didn't point a finger towards Jason until that very last post to Trini, and you did so by simultaneously saying Trini's their bussing scummate.

Every line in that post seems to be coming out of a scummate of Jason's who's preparing for the worst.

I think that even if I'm wrong and you're town, you will probably be able to agree that that's a realy bad look considering Jason's flip and the position Trini is currently in.
 

Zack

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Zack’s post breakdown didn’t do much to me though since it presumes quite a lot on how scum works in the shadows, especially with coordination and timing.
I think my wording in the "before Jason could answer, Zordon did" part of my summary may have given off the impression that I was talking about scum coordination between Zordon and Jason, but I don't mean that at all. If I'm right, then Zordon was doing all that stuff by themselves - if they were coordinating, I feel like Jason would've been more active throughout the phase.
 

Kimberly

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Can you explain why her claim makes sense if Pink is gone, but doesn't make sense if Pink was still here?

Can I also ask why you're speculating on Rita's thoughts instead of letting Rita explain?
Fine let’s ask her.

@Rita Repulsa
see Trini’s above questions. Why did you think Pink leaving the game was a good time to claim?
 

Kimberly

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Can you explain why her claim makes sense if Pink is gone, but doesn't make sense if Pink was still here?

Can I also ask why you're speculating on Rita's thoughts instead of letting Rita explain?
And I had been putting forward any hypotheticals about Pink still being here.
 

Zack

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zordon (5 votes)
zack - #1868
rita repulsa - #1870
black ranger - #1913
alpha 5 - #1938
green ranger - #1939

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I can't say I trust any of those who followed me into the Zordon vote. Since I still have D2 stuff to go through, this feels best.

UNVOTE
 

Black Ranger

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Black, you’re a lot quieter today. Who’s got your eye today?

Not feeling great today (irl) so I'm kinda just reading but not saying much, sorry.

Like I posted earlier, Alpha 5 or Zordon I feel are probably scum. I know I posted in my second post of today that Rita may be scum but I also feel like either Zordon or Rita are probably scum. Not sure about both but at least one of them so if one flipped town, I'd want to go after the other.

Besides that, Tommy may be scum again for the reason I posted here
 

White Ranger

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Ok, the rest are small enough that I should do them all in one go:

Green Ranger: Thanks for bringing these up, I haven't seen evidence today of Green Ranger's twice promised step up and these votes have me convinced that its time to start considering that he may be scum coasting along.

Tommy: I mentioned earlier why I don't think it fair to be judging Tommy today and I stand by that.

Blue Ranger: I find this read completely bizarre, are you basing an entire townread(or lean?) on his exchange over the old White Ranger's RNG joke vote? I couldn't think of anything that Blue Ranger had said or done since, but I put that down to me not having paid enough attention and was resolved to fix that after having gone over Zordon's posts, however if this is all you have to townread them with then perhaps there is more to it than that?

Skull and Bulk: I pretty much agree with this, although I am suspicious of people who are just jumping onto your reasoning as a way of deciding their lynch without too much of their own reasoning. I think I'm remembering right that Skull's post talking about what he agreed with was too long to just be along the lines of "yep, good reasoning" but I'll be deciding if I think anyone's response to your posts is scummy after that read of Zordon.

Trini: Same read with a different way of getting there. I reckoned that the whole Jason vs Trini saga meant that one of them had to die sooner rather than later and if one flipped scum then that pretty much cleared the other.

Quick mention that its fair enough to not townread me given that I've had almost no impact on the game at all so far.

Alpha 5/Kimberly/Rita - Pretty much agreeing here, although there is a few minor differences and I'd say that Rita seems more town to me than Alpha 5 and Kimberly.
(Flavour Question: is her name really spelled Kimberly and not Kimberley? It seems strange to me.)
 

Blue Ranger

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The claim is throwing me off. I’ve had Rita in my Town pile for most of the game but then the claim happened and I went hmmmm.

However (and I typically can’t find it right now) someone pointed out that the claim was the only real time when Rita slipped out of character. Now this makes me think the claim is genuine because it felt like someone genuinely reacting to something (Pink leaving the game) rather than a constructed masquerade.

So I’m going to stick my neck out (and probably regret it) and say still leaning mostly Town but with room for doubt still there.
This doesn't make sense. You're town reading Rita's play because they were uncharacteristically serious? So What? No...I mean, that's just too confusing. How do you know that wasn't just an appeal? Why does that influence your opinion?

Hey Blue. Who’s looking the scummiest of this bunch right now?
To me right now, it's Rita. What struck me anout their play yesterday and the day before was how consistently inconsistent they were. Its like every wagon was followed by an 'I dont like it' and when those wagons dropped speed 'But they might be scum!' with the exception of Trini. I'm still somewhat wary of Zack but they made some good structured points I can accept. As for Zordon, I'm leaning scum because of their hedging yesterday, and how he briefly talked about Jason but kind of just mellowed on Green.
Because I’m trying to understand why she would claim. And no I’m not inviting a mass claim. Where is that implied???

The person she used it on is gone. That’s why I think she claimed. I get that you don’t like that she claimed. You made that clear at the time. I’m trying to understand why she did it.
I don't really believe the claim, and it's completely unsubstantiated so...

Everyone could tell Rita would be scum read coming off of Jason's lynch so I see it as a self-defense mechanism.
 

Green Ranger

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Ok, the rest are small enough that I should do them all in one go:

Green Ranger: Thanks for bringing these up, I haven't seen evidence today of Green Ranger's twice promised step up and these votes have me convinced that its time to start considering that he may be scum coasting along.

Tommy: I mentioned earlier why I don't think it fair to be judging Tommy today and I stand by that.

Blue Ranger: I find this read completely bizarre, are you basing an entire townread(or lean?) on his exchange over the old White Ranger's RNG joke vote? I couldn't think of anything that Blue Ranger had said or done since, but I put that down to me not having paid enough attention and was resolved to fix that after having gone over Zordon's posts, however if this is all you have to townread them with then perhaps there is more to it than that?

Skull and Bulk: I pretty much agree with this, although I am suspicious of people who are just jumping onto your reasoning as a way of deciding their lynch without too much of their own reasoning. I think I'm remembering right that Skull's post talking about what he agreed with was too long to just be along the lines of "yep, good reasoning" but I'll be deciding if I think anyone's response to your posts is scummy after that read of Zordon.

Trini: Same read with a different way of getting there. I reckoned that the whole Jason vs Trini saga meant that one of them had to die sooner rather than later and if one flipped scum then that pretty much cleared the other.

Quick mention that its fair enough to not townread me given that I've had almost no impact on the game at all so far.

Alpha 5/Kimberly/Rita - Pretty much agreeing here, although there is a few minor differences and I'd say that Rita seems more town to me than Alpha 5 and Kimberly.
(Flavour Question: is her name really spelled Kimberly and not Kimberley? It seems strange to me.)

For the proposed step up, I've been around more but a side effect of the way the activity in the thread went yesterday is that times when I'm around the most tend to be when the thread is fairly quiet.

For the vote today, I don't see it as a coasting move but I see how it can be perceived that way.
 

Kimberly

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I am apparently super wrong so I’m just going to curl up in a ball now.

So much for making an alternative suggestion when many others are all currently yelling “this person made a stupid claim at a stupid time...must be scum”.

Because nobody has ever made a stupid claim and turned out to be Town before.

I’ll just back down on this now. Still probably won’t be voting Rita today though.
 

Bulk

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Skull and Bulk: I pretty much agree with this, although I am suspicious of people who are just jumping onto your reasoning as a way of deciding their lynch without too much of their own reasoning. I think I'm remembering right that Skull's post talking about what he agreed with was too long to just be along the lines of "yep, good reasoning" but I'll be deciding if I think anyone's response to your posts is scummy after that read of Zordon.
For the record, I voted for Rita before Zack posted and that's where I'm leaning towards staying for now.

Because I’m trying to understand why she would claim. And no I’m not inviting a mass claim. Where is that implied???

The person she used it on is gone. That’s why I think she claimed. I get that you don’t like that she claimed. You made that clear at the time. I’m trying to understand why she did it.
I'm 100% with Trini in this discussion. There's no need to attempt to understand why Rita claimed because it makes 0 sense and the argument they made against Black's claim yesterday is exactly the reason why it doesn't.

Fake edit: Noted your most recent post just now, and I'm sorry that this comes across as piling on now =/ just wanted to state, I really don't think there's a good reason for claiming in the situation Rita wants us to believe they were in.
 

Kimberly

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For the record, I voted for Rita before Zack posted and that's where I'm leaning towards staying for now.


I'm 100% with Trini in this discussion. There's no need to attempt to understand why Rita claimed because it makes 0 sense and the argument they made against Black's claim yesterday is exactly the reason why it doesn't.

Fake edit: Noted your most recent post just now, and I'm sorry that this comes across as piling on now =/ just wanted to state, I really don't think there's a good reason for claiming in the situation Rita wants us to believe they were in.
Message received. I don’t have anything to add. I’m being a total loon. Just wanted you to know I’d seen this
 

White Ranger

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For the proposed step up, I've been around more but a side effect of the way the activity in the thread went yesterday is that times when I'm around the most tend to be when the thread is fairly quiet.

For the vote today, I don't see it as a coasting move but I see how it can be perceived that way.
Thanks for the response. I should have been clearer that I'm not reading you as a coasting scum right now, rather that I will no longer be affording you the same leniency that I'm currently giving to Tommy and Billy.
For the record, I voted for Rita before Zack posted and that's where I'm leaning towards staying for now.
Cool, thanks for saving a bit of time there. I also forgot to mention in my post that I felt your reasons for aligning with Zack's read on Zordon were reasonable, instead I only put the bit about Skull in there so my bad.
 

Skull

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Things ramping up here at work. As usual, I won’t be able to keep up and make big posts till end game, but I’ll sort of be here.


I feel like some players, Billy and Tommy especially, are so detached from the discussion that I think it’s very possible that we have scum just watching from the sidelines. Of course, being a replacement can do that, but it sucks that I can’t grasp their playstyle yet.
 

Tommy

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Things ramping up here at work. As usual, I won’t be able to keep up and make big posts till end game, but I’ll sort of be here.


I feel like some players, Billy and Tommy especially, are so detached from the discussion that I think it’s very possible that we have scum just watching from the sidelines. Of course, being a replacement can do that, but it sucks that I can’t grasp their playstyle yet.

This is such a weird post, like really weird,
I don't want to defend myself from this. Did you really mean to type my name there?
 

rac

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What do you think about Zack’s vote?



Anything in Jason’s posts jumping out at you?
zack's vote feels justified but i bet if you look at most players at this stage you could make anyone look scum
i don't like that people are just voting purely based on his post

as for jason
Straight from the Vote TOOL

From this dog pile, i'm giving green ranger a pass. they voted for Red ranger almost 600 posts prior to the pile

That leaves Black ranger (which makes sense because its self serving). It starts to get the vote onto another target that's isn't them (as Black Ranger and I are vote leaders).

Zack, Rita and Alpha 5 jump on in quick succession in the DP. Red Ranger makes the play that its alpha 5. I have been town reading Rita Repulsa since day 1, I'm not going to flip flop on that now. That leaves Alpha 5 (who red ranger thinks the scum in that pile is) and Zack. Zack is playing too crazy of a game to be anything but town. BUT is it all an act?

In order of most likely scum to least likely I leave it as Black Ranger, Alpha 5, Zack, Green Ranger, Rita Repulsa.

So to that end.
vote: Black Ranger

I don't want to get lynched, and I still like the black ranger more than the green ranger on this..

vote: Green Ranger

thanks Zack. We tried.

think jason revealed too much in the initial post, at that point he could still survive

also interesting how black was scum and then was switched for green for some reason

think my preferred lynch would go rita, black, green/alpha, zordon, zack
 

Skull

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I did, though it’s much more directed towards Billy. She didn’t contribute at all until now.

You’ve posted quite a bit actually, but I can’t pinpoint anything specific. Might be I’m glossing over you unintentionally, but I have no solid read at all.

I thought of that after seeing White’s read on you:

Ok, the rest are small enough that I should do them all in one go:

Tommy: I mentioned earlier why I don't think it fair to be judging Tommy today and I stand by that.

This is basically what I feel as well. Despite the fact tha original Tommy didn’t even post that much, it’s the weird Goldar vote and unvote that I have associated with “Tommy”.
 

Zordon

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I feel like some players, Billy and Tommy especially, are so detached from the discussion that I think it’s very possible that we have scum just watching from the sidelines. Of course, being a replacement can do that, but it sucks that I can’t grasp their playstyle yet.
I don't think it's Tommy but I agree, there are a few people who've done so little it seems almost guaranteed that scum is in there somewhere. Some who just have really low post counts, some who have higher postcounts without much content - someone in there is scum, but I doubt they'll get found until end game at this rate. Billy I wanted to give a pass to today as a replacement but not feeling great about their content. Not focused there right now though. I'm back and I have a lot to say as I catch up.

Also Skull, Billy is on he pronouns now.
 

Kimberly

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zack's vote feels justified but i bet if you look at most players at this stage you could make anyone look scum
i don't like that people are just voting purely based on his post

as for jason






think jason revealed too much in the initial post, at that point he could still survive

also interesting how black was scum and then was switched for green for some reason

think my preferred lynch would go rita, black, green/alpha, zordon, zack
What do you think of Jason’s most to least likely scum list? That’s a weird assortment of folk he picked out there.
 

Tommy

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So about Black Ranger;

I very much disliked his playstyle yesterday. Got aggressive when multiple votes ended up on him. Obviously also weird he wouldn't even want to lynch Jason to save himself. What's also weird he didn't seem to have to solid town read on Jason earlier the day (that's from memory, would have to search back), and it's not that Jason did something to work that null read to a town read.

Honestly, I'm null on them. The only thing I'm suspicious off has already been mentioned (the random trust post from Jason) but that alone isn't enough for me to suspect them. Maybe they felt people wouldn't take kindly to self preservation as a reason for gave a random reason. Maybe they actually did trust Trini and White on D1, I don't know.

But I've not felt scummy vibes from Jason but can't say I feel town on them at all. So null.

I just don't feel he is scum. I could be reading him badly but I don't.

I'm willing to get lynched because I have a feeling things will come back around on me like this at the end of each day until I'm lynched so there we go.

Just wondering what happened here.
 

Zordon

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I think it's fair to acknowledge that you did talk about Jason during D1 more than I let off in that summary.

But I stand by the feeling that those final posts felt unnatural. Despite the fact that you had set up suspicions on Jason previously in the phase, you had stopped talking about them until the conversation with Bulk. During those final hours, when votes were flying all over the place and tensions were high, you didn't point a finger towards Jason until that very last post to Trini, and you did so by simultaneously saying Trini's their bussing scummate.

Every line in that post seems to be coming out of a scummate of Jason's who's preparing for the worst.

I think that even if I'm wrong and you're town, you will probably be able to agree that that's a realy bad look considering Jason's flip and the position Trini is currently in.
I absolutely disagree that I "didn't point a finger" at Jason until the end and I quoted posts where I did when I first answered you but yeah, I will agree my results on scumhunting were apparently pretty lackluster since I was convinced Trini was scum and it's clear she is not. But I guess what you're saying is that I dropped them? Meh, if that's what you're saying I think that's probably fair. I thought you were saying that I didn't mention him at all. I didn't really feel that strongly about him and I was wrong. Like I said, I'll own that. I was wrong but I'm reassessing as the game moves on, not just taking whatever log drifts conveniently by which I think most of the people who followed you seemed to be doing.

Honestly even if it DOES make me look bad you're doing good analysis and I wish more people would step up and not just follow along whether the conclusions are right or wrong. I'm not going to sit here nad say I'm the best player or that I'm always right but I'm going to try to keep digging and if I get lynched at least it will make all the people who followed you on that vote for the flimsiest reasons (or made up reasons, like Black Ranger) look worse and get town closer to solving.
 

Black Ranger

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Just wondering what happened here.

Nothing happened, just didn't feel he was scum. Was obviously very wrong on that. Never said I read him as Town though but I didn't feel like he was scum and would rather vote for someone I feel more bad on rather than a save myself vote.

So yeah, was wrong on him :(
 

Trini

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think my preferred lynch would go rita, black, green/alpha, zordon, zack

Gotta laugh cause I'd have to place it in this order too. Well actually I don't scum read Green at the moment. But otherwise yeah, this is my list too.
 

Tommy

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Black ranger improved today, but maybe that's because the pressure is off him for a bit. Between Zordon and Rita. It's Rita for me, I think she ignored everything I said about her. Maybe it's because I didn't put my vote down yet. But she's my strongest scumread atm. For the points mentioned earlier. I'd also like to add that she posts or rather posted a lot, but did she really add anything?

Vote: Rita Repulsa
 

Zordon

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Summarizing flavor been done before many times without any cautions. We just can't quote directly or post.

I do not believe that anything beyond the vanillas is generic in our roles. I think Rita is lying about that. I just really do not know if I believe her claim is scum motivated. I keep trying to figure out how it would be but none of it makes sense since it would always result in shade and suspicion and the timing is really dumb for scum. I don't like her actions really, and I think there are reasons to scumread her, especially today, but I get hung up on the claim. I think there's something else going on.
 
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