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Green Ranger

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What did you think of Alpha's vote on Red Ranger (rac afterwards) yesterday?

They were consistent about suspecting them so it feels natural from that point of view. I don't like how he mentioned how Rac liked to save his vote until the end as a negative when we only had one day of voting prior to that. It feels weird to ascribe voting behaviour to someone when you only have one set of results.
 
hmm... this is a tricky day

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it's time for JUST-WAKING-UP HOTTAKES™

ppl i feel good about: rac, trini, bulk

ppl i feel baaaad about: zack (OMGUS!), black ranger,

ppl who make me uneasy: alpha fail (cuz of votes), zordon, kimberly (she seems townie, but... )

ppl i wanna read over more: green ranger, white ranger

ppl who need to STEP UP THEIR GAME SENPAI: neo billy
 

Skull

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hmm... this is a tricky day

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it's time for JUST-WAKING-UP HOTTAKES™

ppl i feel good about: rac, trini, bulk

ppl i feel baaaad about: zack (OMGUS!), black ranger,

ppl who make me uneasy: alpha fail (cuz of votes), zordon, kimberly (she seems townie, but... )

ppl i wanna read over more: green ranger, white ranger

ppl who need to STEP UP THEIR GAME SENPAI: neo billy
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Seriously. Hardly anyone gave direct reads on me. So weird.
 

Blue Ranger

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See above.


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A post made less than 2 hours into the phase. The tunnel is real.


Hiding from people who only look at the votals is always easy (and even then, what you're saying is a lie because I'd also voted for Blue.)

I spent the entire phase confronting people. Bulk, Pink, Blue, and, yes, Finster. I wasn't hiding at all.

Don't make up false narratives to reinforce your own tunnel.


I don't know what part of my post you're talking about here. I don't believe I ever claimed anything of that sort.
Read back, it was the part where you said you were wrong and scum wouldn't act as such. Its WIFOM but I disagree that scum wouldn't purposely act like a scum to seem like town.
 
am bothered by green ranger

very few reads of jason before voting on him

greenies mentions of jason:

DAY 1

https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/19464/ - "Jason: The way he went after Ritas feels like someone trying to make a mountain out of a molehill."
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/19477/ - "I'd only say I was falling into that allegation if I did it with the intention of consolidating my vote with other people specifically to pressure Jason. Otherwise it'd just be a normal vote. [...] As for partners, I'm not sure. I don't think so."

DAY 2

https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/20238/ - "Did you mean to quote posts here? Or does 'these posts' just refer to the defense comment?"
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/20523/ - "I'd still like to see a Red Ranger lynch but I don't know if that will happen today. Otherwise, I'm looking at Jason, Trini and maybe Pink Ranger."
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/20534/ - "Why Jason? You haven't really mentioned suspicions about him much beyond saying he felt off, and that was when you had the initial random vote on him."
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/20552/ - "Why did you vote for Jason then?"

BUT

he broke a tie vote in favor of lynching the scum

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

jason (5 votes)
trini - #999 #1001
bulk - #1018 #1300
yellow ranger - #1128
white ranger - #1138
trini - #1141
skull - #1249
red ranger - #1398 #1428
green ranger - #1530

black ranger (4 votes)
rita repulsa - #857 #900
pink ranger - #1076
zordon - #1090 #1226
kimberly - #1230
bulk - #1300
zordon - #1360 #1514
jason - #1492

and who busses their 3-shot strongman scummate in that scenario?

also umm... am i reading this right? did MY MORTAL ENEMY create a tie there?
 

Zordon

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Obviously Rita, but that's the easy answer. Would be more mentionable if she didn't catch my eye today. To give a bit more weight to it and to answer your first question, I'm going to look into people who piled on Trini and people who voted Rac. I already felt good about Trini and Jason scum flip confirmed that to me. Rita was one of those on Trini.

More on my to-do list atm is the Black Ranger. I also didn't like his play on day 2 up untill where I'm now. So I'm going to see what's there. He seemed to have lightened up a bit today.

Also Zack. Questionmark leaning negative for me atm.
Those Red Ranger votes are where I’m gonna look when I get home too. That really seemed very sudden and I know rac was trying to bait but I highly doubt it was all town that jumped on such an easy grenade.

Zordon, yesterday you suggested looking for connections if Jason flips scum. What connections are you starting to see after this flip?
Working on it.

Also I think Zack is Gorlak today.
 

Bulk

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Why would you have voted Pink???
Sorry, I missed this entirely. Mostly because of their voting trackrecord. They were on Black since pretty early on yesterday, not moving their vote once, and on D1 they were on Trini most of the day.

Can anyone summarize the case against Tommy for me? They're a pretty solid null for me atm, there's more substance than say, Billy, but I still find it a bit puzzling that people would look into Tommy after the flips we've seen.
 

Trini

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Can you see two out of three being scum? And what makes you more strongly town read Blue over Bulk?

I could see two out of the three being scum.

And honestly I think I'd town read Blue over Bulk in that situation because Blue voted for Jason first. Bulk second. I feel like the "well we can't save him, better bus him" vote would've been the later vote.

It's not airtight reasoning. But that and the interactions Blue has had with others makes me feel more willing to trust him at the moment. I don't actively scum read either though.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
While pronouns have been relatively difficult to keep track of this game, please know that the Replacement for Billy has requested he/him pronouns. Thank you.
 

Zordon

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These are the people who switched to Red/rac yesterday. Only Black Ranger had previously voted Red. I think it's worth nothing too that even though he didn't vote Bulk encouraged people to switch to Red.
Vote: Red Ranger

Billy hasn't shown up again and with only an hour left to go, screw it. They will be warned or replaced if their activity keeps up since they are currently under the post count.

VOTE: Red Ranger

vote: red ranger

think jason and black are both town

and others jumped

so no regrets

lets do this

trini dies on day 3 tho

I am tempted to swing my vote over to Red. I was suspicious earlier, and I don't like his tendency to save a vote for the last minute to make specific lynchs happen.

I was okay with the Trini vs Jason showdown since it might resolve some questions, but if I can catch one of my big scum reads I'll go for it.

Vote: Red Ranger

This was Black's post before that which "justified" the vote. Note: Red's so-called scummy vote was on him.

I don't know what to think about Red. That vote feels scummy to me.

Could have left it with thinking he didn't think I was scum and then waited for a train like he said but instead he voted for Jason

Weird to me.

Of these I think Rita and Black's look the worst even though Black had previously been on Red. Zack seems just looking for anything to follow (which is NAI to me absent anything else but looks bad in this moment) and Alpha does at least have a justification even if it reflects a bad scum read.
 

Zack

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You all really need to reread D1. I've just reached the turning point in votes and this is being 10 times more fruitful and interesting than I thought it'd be.

Lotta notes.
 

Zack

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Zack seems just looking for anything to follow (which is NAI to me absent anything else but looks bad in this moment)
Putting my head out of the water for a second just to find this is peachy considering the stuff I'm reading right now.
 

Zordon

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what do you mean by this?
That Black has several times scumread people who are voting for/posting against him. I'm not saying the vote was scummy but that Black called it scummy and that seemed to be the only reason. It was on him.
 

Tommy

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About Alpha:

My initial suspicion on Alpha5 was based on him voting Red Ranger when the moment was there with the vote coming out of nowhere. After a quick skim and search I thought this was the second weird vote swing from Alpha 5. Enough for me to vote him over Jason and Black Ranger. Reread:

So it seems the suspicion for Red Ranger already started pretty early day one, with the mechanic Red Ranger used for his random vote. More suspicion when Red Ranger does nothing with his number thingy. Continued suspicion later on. Never lead to a vote on Red Ranger tho.

Middle D1 reads from Alpha5:
Suspicions: Green, Red, Billy and Finster.

Considers swapping vote to Finster. Eventually does. Seemed pretty confident about it. Even doubles down on it later. Short before day end, we get the first suspicion from Alpha 5 on Goldar. Finally votes for Goldar to create a vote buffer (?).

Early day 2 he then would've like to go after Finster, but since Finster died he couldn't. I guess that brings over Green, Red and Billy from his D1 scum leans.

There is some suspicion on the Red Ranger 3 way tie vote. Later more suspicion based on Red being aggressively defensive. I think that's all untill the vote at day 2 end.

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At the time the vote for Red Ranger really came out of the blue for me. I mean you said it was your top suspect, but I hadn't read anything about it and you didn't vote for him before. So that was what got me wrong way. Still think I'd like you more active on your top scumread than that you was, but with your D1 and early D2 history concerning Red I feel a bit better about it.
 

Zack

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Alright, finished with D1. Time to make sense of my own writing.

Basically, I've written down stuff for everyone (except for Billy 1.0, who didn't play). The interesting thing about D1 is that Jason was a serious candidate for a lynch at one point.
Looking at the D2 votes is obviously also super important, but the fact that no one brought up the D1 votes so far makes me believe that there's something there. If we could be misled by looking at the D1 votes, scum, who would certainly be more aware of Jason being a vote lead back then, would've brought it up today already.

In general terms, these are the players I feel better about compared to where I was before after rereading D1: Blue, Trini (even better now), Bulk, Skull (feeling real good about them), Alpha, White.

These players I now feel mixed on: Green, Kimberly, Rita (some D1 stuff was good, some D1 stuff was bad).

And I now feel worse about these players: Tommy, Yellow, Black, Zordon (some really good material on these last three, look forward to it).
 

Zack

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Alright, so, getting the Zordon stuff out of the way before Rita hits me, and then I'll type out the rest later (there's a lot).

The first odd thing I noticed here came about when the votes were Blue 3, Jason 2, Goldar 2. At that point, Zordon was the single vote on Billy.

Bulk had been sitting on a vote against Jason for a while due to Jason's weird-ass vote against Skull, and Bulk kept pestering Jason about it.
But before Jason could get back to Bulk on it, Zordon took issue with the fact that Bulk was still voting Jason that far in the phase.

These two things together feel strange to me. I agree that people should start making real votes and cases but then to turn around and fixate on what basically boils down to a mechanics push is odd. I agree Jason's been spotty on responses but that feels like such a nothing; why is it so important to you?

Also, while I'm here, does no one else care about Billy ghosting the thread after putting in about an hour of nothing? I don't know if I will be here at end of day so I have about two hours to make a strong decision and I'm torn between being frustrated that Billy is apparently going to get away with flying right at the line and being concerned with people being weirdly inconsistent, like Trini and Blue (though Trini voting for Blue is interesting).
In the same post in which Zordon complains about Bulk's vote on scum!Jason, they try to nod people in the direction of the Zordon-approved Billy vote.

Bulk engages them, and they go back and forth:
Because I'm a bad D1 player who fixates on small things to justify their vote when there is very little to go on. Maybe that colors my perception, but I really do not think Jason's post was such a "nothing" but something to follow up on, specially when I received exactly 0 reasoning after asking about it.

I don't think it's bad play. There's plenty of bad play to go around today but this just didn't make sense to me with the other thing. It felt insubstantial let's say but if it matters to you, it matters to you. I just wanted to hear about it.
Zordon downplays Bulk's reasonings for a vote while vying for a Billy lynch due to inactivity.

Item 1: build strong cases for strong eod votes
Item 2: focus on tiny think from one billion posts ago to the exclusion of so many other things happening

I wouldn’t say by itself it’s enough to make me suspect the motivation but it’s something to note in Bulk for me.
Tries to demoralize Bulk, which is something Bulk notices:

Huh. I don't know what to make of it but this strikes me as you folding easily in response to my post. Considering how aggressively you seem to be playing the game so far I expected some sort of rebuke. Were you just prodding me for any sort of response?

Also yeah I'm not sure Jason even answered. He said he missed something just now when he was around but I'm not sure if he was referring to the question or the roles stuff (which, if that's his excuse, is not a good look IMO, it should be plainly obvious our costume names mean nothing in this game or we'd all be voting for Rita and friends).

Zordon then has to back down:
Just trying to get a fix on your motivation for pursuing it.

But I also don’t feel very aggressive lol so I guess we’re all just doing the best we can.

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While the above is happening, Pink votes Jason. Afterwards, a couple of other votes fly by, and then Skull and Trini also vote Jason, putting them in the lead (!!) with Jason 5, Blue 4.

Immediately after Trini's vote, this happens:
Vote: Jason

Red Ranger is right. Something reeks about his vote for Blue Ranger saying he trusts me and White Ranger.

I think Jason that you were merely trying to save yourself, but you can just save that. Instead you added some weird bit about trust. Like, why do you trust me?
Sure, let Daddy Zordon explain to you The Legend of No Meta, in which people actually have to study one another and their actions in day one instead of comparing with their assumptions about what certain players do.

You know, all this phase you have kept to the outside, talking in theoreticals about flips and connections and later days but right now we have this day and these players and I think you are scum with no substance behind your posts. No real connection to the game.

vote: Trini
No one bit the Billy bait, and so Zordon moves on to Trini, which Rita had recently voted and made against against.

And then, holy shit, this:

Like Red Ranger is the only one to have said it. You shade me and then follow up with this lol

Is this your bus vote? Tempted to switch to Jason just for that but you know, I’m good here. Either flip is fine by me.

Good luck Rangers, and people not dressed as Rangers who are still fighting evil.
Even though the last time Zordon had mentioned Jason was in the context of defending Jason against Bulk's vote, they say "either flip is fine by me" between Jason and Trini.

This is how Zordon ends their participation on D1 - by trying to agitate the thread against Trini (which worked) while unnaturaly saying they're fine with a potential Jason flip (which seemed likely at that point), and preemptively trying to tie Jason and Trini in a bus relationship.
 

Zack

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Zack seems just looking for anything to follow (which is NAI to me absent anything else but looks bad in this moment)
And before I move on to the other stuff I just wanna comment on this once more:

You're really saying I look bad because I'm rereading the game. And you're choosing very particular wording, too ("looking for anything to follow" seems really loaded).
 
And then, holy shit, this:


Even though the last time Zordon had mentioned Jason was in the context of defending Jason against Bulk's vote, they say "either flip is fine by me" between Jason and Trini.

This is how Zordon ends their participation on D1 - by trying to agitate the thread against Trini (which worked) while unnaturaly saying they're fine with a potential Jason flip (which seemed likely at that point), and preemptively trying to tie Jason and Trini in a bus relationship.

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Tommy

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Bed time for me now, sorry Zack, would have to take a good look at your big post later. I'll be reading and commenting from phone, but my real contributions will come after I'm back from work around 6 hours before day end.

Out of the people on the Red Ranger vote I dislike the votes from Rita and Zack the most. Since Rita was also the advocate for the Trini lynch that I just don't see why and with this weird claim thing and was strongly townread by Jason early, I'd vote Rita now over Kimberly. I don't want to pile votes on anybody so I won't at the moment. Kimberly, you are not of my radar, but I think it isn't justified to keep the vote on your for the next 18 hours anymore.

Unvote
 

Yellow Ranger

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Zack, I don’t think the interaction between Zordon and Bulk is that suspicious personally, i can see where zordon was coming from in that the two quoted bulk posts did seem incongruous. I do however think you raise a good point with zordon’s sudden interest in a jason lynch- i an reminded of jason having to ask why trini was scummy and then her being his top scum read out of nowhere
 

Zack

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These are the other two players that came out of my reread looking really bad:

Re: Black
(There's a bit of D2 feelings in this read as well.)

- After busybodying their way into all D1 conversations, even the most futile ones (e.g. #209) like I'd called out before, they have very little to show.
- It's Black who starts moving the needle against Goldar - and in an unnatural way (#324, vote on #348). After participating in basically every discussion up to that point, a vote against someone with 2 posts is all they have to show.
- The worst thing about it is: they focused on Goldar while completely ignoring low-activity players like Billy or scum!Jason. One of Goldar's posts he took issue with was actually pretty good, I thought (#316), while the only scum!Jason posts that had been made at that point in the game were the weird-ass vote against Skull mentioned a couple of posts above, and a weird-ass deflection against Rita (#134).
- Black recurringly tells everyone else that something is "interesting", but then never follows up on it. Some D1 examples:
I will say, I'm actually also interested in the responses to the random votes as well. Not saying more than that because I don't have anything else besides that but it's given me a few players to keep an eye on and see how things go from here.
No I wasn't, I said I've got an idea of who I'm voting for and before calling them out, I'm waiting to see more from them to see if it backs up how I feel. I'm also reading but not replying much atm for irl reasons.
- On D2, Black cuts back on their activity levels but keeps making promises about reads. When finally pressured about them, all he can conjure is a list of four gut reads (#1122).
- On D2, Black refused to vote against Jason despite the totals being Jason 5, Black 4 at that time. Instead, they vote Trini (#1531), where they leave their vote for the rest of the day.

(Oh, and Zordon is his biggest D1 town-read :P)
 

Zack

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Re: Yellow

- This might sound weird at first, but hear me out: Yellow's initial vote against Jason feels awkward and unnatural (#147). This is basically their first action in the game.
- Yellow pushes strangely hard against Jason due to Rita's joke-y reads list. They claim "Rita comes off looking good to me", despite the fact that that list had very little actual meat to it.
- Yellow stays on Jason for basically the entire phase, even defending their vote a couple of times. But then, when push came to shove...
VOTE: Finster

Finster also won’t defend themselves, I don’t really get what trini means by thinking it will be interesting if we try to lynch her so that much is different, but finster is much more suspicious to me
- Yellow decides to unvote off of Jason and onto Finster, bringing the Jason vote from the lead and tying everything up Jason 3, Trini 3, Finster 3, essentially killing the Jason train's (which they started) momentum.
 

Zack

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Re: Green

- Green didn't leave a big impression on me during D1, but their voting movement was noteworthy on two occasions.
- When Pink votes Jason and Jason finally takes the lead, Green follows Zordon by putting down a second vote on Billy, which is completely half-cooked considering Billy's activity, making it so that the vote is Jason 3, Billy 2.
Vote: Billy

There's been some weird posts from Billy here and there. The pro lynch comment has already been discussed but it was out of place and then their justification later on wasn't great. They said it was to remove the possibility of a pro/ no lynch discussion but that discussion never came up until they said that. They also spent a good chunk of their posts so far posting fluff.
- When it became clear that Billy wasn't gonna happen at all and that the Jason vote was losing steam, they switch their vote to Goldar, essent
Vote: Goldar

We were nowhere near a tie and now he was trying to push a vote through that he wasn't even backing earlier.
 

Zack

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Oh, the final point on the Green read is missing.

It should read:

- When it became clear that Billy wasn't gonna happen at all and that the Jason vote was losing steam, they switch their vote to Goldar, essentially creating a Trini-Goldar thunderdome (Trini 6, Goldar 4 at the time), and sweeping the Jason train under the rug.
 

Zack

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And finally,

Re: Tommy

- Also not a big D1 presence in my reread, but there was the weird Goldar vote explanation-thingy that I don't think will ever be properly explained (#321).
- Votes Trini over Jason, putting Trini in the lead with Trini 4, Jason 3.
Vote: Trini

If there's no real defense, then I have no problem with this vote. I haven't liked her style of voting this whole time, and her case on Jason is weak as it is. Especially knowing that he wont' be back to answer those questions
 

Zack

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I'll go through the rest of it real fast because I'm pretty sure no one will bother reading any of this past maybe the second post.

Positive reads:

- Blue: I can't wipe the kerfuffle with White off of my head, but upon rereading it, it feels like Blue is just doing weird shit, and not really scummy shit. Their explanation on #118 kinda satisfied me a bit.
- Skull: They voted Jason on #655 tying it and putting Jason at serious risk of being lynched. Before that, they'd called Jason out for their bs on at least two separate occasions.
- Trini: They voted Jason on #659 putting them in the lead.
- Bulk: Their whole thing with Jason on D1 feels natural and honest, unlike Yellow's vote.

Weak positive read:

- White: Calls out Yellow's weirdness on #403, and calls out Jason's weirdness on #509.

Mixed reads:

- Alpha (downgraded to mixed as I was typing this): Threw shade at two confirmed townies on #103, which feels a bit bad but eh, but put the first vote against Finster on #629 at a time when they could've piggybacked one of the multiple 1 or 2 vote trains to try and stop the then-budding Jason lynch train.
- Kimberly: Also created a new train on Tommy (#631) instead of piggybacking on a realistic alternative to Jason when the votes were piling up on them, but ended up voting Trini making it Trini 5, Jason 3 on EoD.
- Rita: They didn't seem at all interested in the early conflict with Jason, which makes me feel better about them. I feel like they'd have gone harder at each other's throats if that was a fake scum-scum thing. But then they also seem to be overlooking Jason, promising to look back on them but never doing so (#395, #462).
 

Zack

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Better leave a vote that more accurately represents my current feelings while I chill out after such intense reading.

VOTE: Zordon
 

Yellow Ranger

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Yellow pushes strangely hard against Jason due to Rita's joke-y reads list. They claim "Rita comes off looking good to me", despite the fact that that list had very little actual meat to it.

I stand by decision here, yeah there was a lot of fluff and such but it really felt like Rita was putting herself out there at the time in a way that I am not accustomed to from scum.

Yellow decides to unvote off of Jason and onto Finster, bringing the Jason vote from the lead and tying everything up Jason 3, Trini 3, Finster 3, essentially killing the Jason train's (which they started) momentum.

I at the very least acknowledge that, if you’re only looking at the votes, this is a bad look. However, going back to my post #564, I was seriously casing against Finster before they had even a single vote, and they were the only other person other than Jason I seriously suspected that phase. I think this supports the truth of the matter, which is that my vote on finster was not intended to tie things and save Jason, but was simply because I was more confident in the case against finster (which was more well developed at the time).

I also want to point out that I was an early voter on Jason D2 (and I think the earliest non-cancelled vote perhaps?) and never left that train. It’s natural that I’d go after my second hunch after the one I went with D1 didn’t pan out
 

Zack

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Fuck, there's something else I forgot: Jason made a reads list.

The "top town" part is particularly great: Pink, Zordon, Black and Rita. Pink we already know wasn't scum.

The other noteworthy part is how Jason says they're "pretty sure Tommy is town", but then diminishes their own "pretty sure"-level town-read by putting Tommy in the second tier of trustworthiness.

The more I think about the day, the more I am convinced that Rita is town having a truly fun time with the game. I was wrong about Rita at day start. Its dedication there.

Tommy and Bulk please I'm on CDT timezone. I got off work, and can follow the thread but can't play as much when I am home. For what its worth, I'm pretty sure Tommy is town. based on post #516 (thoughts on me beside). I agree with that reasoning for Yellow Ranger and Billy

My Top Town would be Pink Ranger, Zordon, Black Ranger and (begrudgingly) Rita. Scum doesn't play like how Rita is playing, and I like those other threes playstyle as well.

Next up would be people like Tommy, White Ranger, Trini, Bulk and Skull.

Everyone else I would be fine with a vote today either through Scumminess (yellow ranger, Billy), or I just can't tell yet.
 

Green Ranger

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I was looking at that reads list earlier and it's pretty interesting. It also has me thinking that Rita and Zordon are unlikely to be scum together. Black Ranger I feel good about for now. Though it's hard to say how many of their teammates they would call top town.
 

Zack

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I stand by decision here, yeah there was a lot of fluff and such but it really felt like Rita was putting herself out there at the time in a way that I am not accustomed to from scum.



I at the very least acknowledge that, if you’re only looking at the votes, this is a bad look. However, going back to my post #564, I was seriously casing against Finster before they had even a single vote, and they were the only other person other than Jason I seriously suspected that phase. I think this supports the truth of the matter, which is that my vote on finster was not intended to tie things and save Jason, but was simply because I was more confident in the case against finster (which was more well developed at the time).

I also want to point out that I was an early voter on Jason D2 (and I think the earliest non-cancelled vote perhaps?) and never left that train. It’s natural that I’d go after my second hunch after the one I went with D1 didn’t pan out
Just giving a heads-up that I acknowledge this post, but I’ll look into it tomorrow. I gotta go to bed now.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

rita repulsa (2 votes)
rac - #1610
zack - #1702 #1868
bulk - #1708

zordon (2 votes)
zack - #1868
rita repulsa - #1870

black ranger (1 votes)
trini - #1616 #1645
zordon - #1788

zack (1 votes)
bulk - #1615 #1708
trini - #1645
rita repulsa - #1714 #1859

tommy (0 votes)
alpha 5 - #1732 #1791

kimberly (0 votes)
tommy - #1764 #1858

Post Counts:
rita repulsa: 38 trini: 33 zack: 31 zordon: 28 blue ranger: 21 black ranger: 20 rac: 19 tommy: 19 kimberly: 16 bulk: 16 alpha 5: 13 skull: 12 green ranger: 8 yellow ranger: 4 white ranger: 3 sawneeks: 3 billy: 2

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Day 3 ends in:
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Trini

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Vote: Black Ranger

Zack's level of effort is making me reconsider him. Black still is a scum read from me. And on the chance he is town, I'd feel worse losing a town Zack at this point than a town Black Ranger.
 

Zordon

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Wow, all that makes me feel better about Zack even if I think some of this is what you think it is but I don't see it as you trying to manufacture here because you put in some good work on d1 rereads. I doubt scum would put in such effort unless someone was on the line and it's too early in the phase for that.

Will respond generally but for this:
This is how Zordon ends their participation on D1 - by trying to agitate the thread against Trini (which worked) while unnaturaly saying they're fine with a potential Jason flip (which seemed likely at that point), and preemptively trying to tie Jason and Trini in a bus relationship.
"Unnaturally" seems a bit of a stretch here. Before this phase, I have loads of posts on Jason and they go back and forth because honestly I wasn't sure where to put him. It was hard for me to figure him between distracted townie and poorly playing scum because either way his plays were not super great. There were so many people on him that I figured if he was scum he would get lynched eventually but when there are a ton of people highly focused on one target it always makes me kind of suspicious (which is why I went after Bulk, who spent a lot of d1 talking about Jason and the town leader thing with Black Ranger). But in 531 I put Jason right above Billy, who I voted, and I consistently put both Jason and Trini in my shady group of potential scum (533, 591 both have them and I know at least somewhere else in d1), which is why I said I was fine with either flip in #663 which you quoted. You're right that there are a few places where I could be read as defending him. I see that as you post it but my intent was just that I didn't want to see people tunneling to a point of manufacturing artificial connections but hey, turns out Jason was scum so maybe any potential "tunnels" were pretty good.

But when you quote that thing about me and Trini where I talked about d1 and meta, those two don't go together the way I think you're tying them together if I am reading you right. I also jumped on Jason for his 180s on Trini and my thing about meta was in reference to an earlier post about whether or not d1 was important.

I'll own that I fucked up and should have got more with the Jason stuff but I really wasn't sure how to read him so I spent more time looking elsewhere.
 

Zordon

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And before I move on to the other stuff I just wanna comment on this once more:

You're really saying I look bad because I'm rereading the game. And you're choosing very particular wording, too ("looking for anything to follow" seems really loaded).
I was talking specifically about your votes especially the ones without any visible justification.

Re: Green

- Green didn't leave a big impression on me during D1, but their voting movement was noteworthy on two occasions.
- When Pink votes Jason and Jason finally takes the lead, Green follows Zordon by putting down a second vote on Billy, which is completely half-cooked considering Billy's activity, making it so that the vote is Jason 3, Billy 2.

- When it became clear that Billy wasn't gonna happen at all and that the Jason vote was losing steam, they switch their vote to Goldar, essent
I do think Green has been very cautious and sticking to the edges all game and didn't they promise to step up?
 

Bulk

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Zach, I promise I'll read your wall of text and everything that came after tomorrow with the attention it deserves. I had an exhausting but exciting day and I need some rest now.
 

Skull

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That’s pretty damn good detective work Zack, great effort.

I’ll weigh in my opinion after reading it all.

Zordon - Nice to see some work into Zordon. Despite being a very strong presence so far, most have just passed by his posts. Can’t really define what’s up with his playstyle, but I feel like it’s aggressive, with a lot of questioning and proding, but still too broad to actually lead into an actual lynch, which is the perfect play for a skillful scum. Without more flips though, it’s hard to say whether Zordon pushed for the right targets other than Jason.

Zack’s post breakdown didn’t do much to me though since it presumes quite a lot on how scum works in the shadows, especially with coordination and timing.

Black Ranger - Huge blind spot for me. I town read him initially at D1, but his contributions got weird after he got called out, which is a scum tell to me. If you’re town (especially vanilla town like he inadvertently claimed) you shouldn’t change the way you play based on some criticism from other players, especially not something so banal as what happened. When I mentioned this, I didn’t care much for his response.

His being the initial push for Goldar surprisingly gives him some town points. That lynch came out of nowhere so hard that I think even scum got surprised by it.

Yellow Ranger - This might bite me in the ass later, but I have this gut town read on Yellow for quite some time. Their posts are scarce and irregular, but they are so concise and well-thought. I always find myself agreeing with them. I’d feel genuinely betrayed if they flipped scum right now.

Green Ranger - I have this nagging feeling that Green is an insanely perceptive player that is holding his punches, content with lots of sheeping and so-and-so reads so far. His vote on Jason D2 came at a critical moment, so I’ll cut some slack today, but it’s clear Green will need to be discussed later.
 

Alpha 5

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The thread is so quiet.
Hey, I've been busy. A Final Fantasy XIV patch hit yesterday. That is going to be distracting me a bit. Nevertheless, I have been keeping up with the thread.

Anyways, it is hard for me to see Zack as anything but town after putting in that kind of effort. They even cited all of his sources! I have to appreciate that.

And to be honest, it does look bad for Zordon. It does look like Zordon may have been running interference on Jason's behalf.

Now, I haven't had a very strong read on Zordon all game. He has fit into a similar mental space as Kimberly and the Pink Ranger: posts quite a bit, generally coming across as town, but otherwise not leaving a very strong impression. He's been there.

Since one of the people in that general mental space for me has ended up being a neutral, I don't doubt that a member of scum can be trying to aim for that sort of position.

Now, I still need to finish my own reread of the thread before I lay down a vote for the day, but I will definitely need to reappraise my opinion of Zordon and double check his posts.
 

Skull

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My focus right now is the link being formed between Zack, Zordon and Rita.

I think pressure here is the way to go.

VOTE: Rita Repulsa
 

Alpha 5

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can i join you?

vote: zordon

die my scummy-face-in-a-jar archnemesis!!
Rita, just to be clear: are you voting for Zordon here for long-standing flavor/you want that trophy reason, or because you fully agree with Zack's assessment. I do appreciate your playstyle, but it does occasionally make it difficult to appraise how serious any given comment you make is.
 

Zordon

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Hey, I've been busy. A Final Fantasy XIV patch hit yesterday. That is going to be distracting me a bit. Nevertheless, I have been keeping up with the thread.

Anyways, it is hard for me to see Zack as anything but town after putting in that kind of effort. They even cited all of his sources! I have to appreciate that.

And to be honest, it does look bad for Zordon. It does look like Zordon may have been running interference on Jason's behalf.

Now, I haven't had a very strong read on Zordon all game. He has fit into a similar mental space as Kimberly and the Pink Ranger: posts quite a bit, generally coming across as town, but otherwise not leaving a very strong impression. He's been there.

Since one of the people in that general mental space for me has ended up being a neutral, I don't doubt that a member of scum can be trying to aim for that sort of position.

Now, I still need to finish my own reread of the thread before I lay down a vote for the day, but I will definitely need to reappraise my opinion of Zordon and double check his posts.
This feels like you only read Zack's post and not my response. That's frustrating.
 

Alpha 5

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This feels like you only read Zack's post and not my response. That's frustrating.
Uh... Sorry.

I do sympathize a bit about the Jason stuff. His early posts that first drew a lot of attention struck me more as unattentive or careless than scummy. It is pretty easy for town to get distracted by flashy things like weird posts.

However, Jason did flip scum, and a strongman at that. With that knowledge, we need to reappraise a lot of posts in this thread.
 

Kimberly

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@Kimberly I know you previously said Rita seemed town to you, then was suspicious, what's your read now?
The claim is throwing me off. I’ve had Rita in my Town pile for most of the game but then the claim happened and I went hmmmm.

However (and I typically can’t find it right now) someone pointed out that the claim was the only real time when Rita slipped out of character. Now this makes me think the claim is genuine because it felt like someone genuinely reacting to something (Pink leaving the game) rather than a constructed masquerade.

So I’m going to stick my neck out (and probably regret it) and say still leaning mostly Town but with room for doubt still there.
 

Black Ranger

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Hey guys, sorry. Been asleep for the last 13+ hours (wasn't feeling too great)

Zack must be Town. That effort above, I just can't see it as anything but Town right now at least.
 

Black Ranger

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Honestly because of that post, it's making me considered Zordon more seriously now. But Alpha 5 is still a top consideration for me due to what I said earlier this day phase with him being the only vote in an alternative train to Jason.

Got a lot to think about.
 

Green Ranger

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I'll expand on this later when I have more time but there's elements of their play that seem to be genuine and read like town. If we compare the two roleclaims between Black and Rita, Ritas is the one that feels more manufactured though maybe that's just because it's a power role compared to Blacks vanilla claim.
 

Kimberly

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Also just catching up on the overnight stuff and just going to throw a few thoughts out (this has been a really busy work week for me so I apologise for not getting as involved as I have been).

I’ve been trying to reread Blue but I’m not really seeing much that jumps out as suspect to me at the moment. Seems inquisitive but can get drowned out by the noise of other players which I think is why I keep losing them from time to time. At the moment, I feel mostly good on Blue but will listen if anyone has anything else to point out.

I’m a tad confused by the Green suspicions and as I said yesterday, there were a few hmmmmm points in some of there posts but not enough to vote there. Still intrigued that Zordon was querying why no one was bringing up green yesterday but then got weird when Trini gave her read.
On the Green vote swing, I’ve still got the feeling that Black might be scum (and we know Jason was scum) so the Green train seems like a last ditch attempt to save them both.

Zack had me mostly lost for most of the game but the posts over the last 12 hours (I think) have been incredibly thorough and I’m quite impressed. This has given me a Town lean but again, I’ve been skimming this day phase due to how busy I’ve been and sometimes Zack’s posts were pretty much all I could see.

Pretty certain Trini is town. The Jason tunnel and some of their posts on D2 pretty much puts them in the Town list for me. Sorry for my D1 vote! I was wrong.
 

Black Ranger

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On the Green vote swing, I’ve still got the feeling that Black might be scum (and we know Jason was scum) so the Green train seems like a last ditch attempt to save them both.

If we're looking at Active votes, that would boil it down to Alpha 5 (rac is confirmed Town, Jason is confirmed scum and dead).

If we look at votes that switched from Green near the end

I don't feel comfortable with the swing to Green Ranger at all but it's eod and people swing. I feel like he's scum but literally no one came on that and no one's posted a supporting case. But I will look back there tomorrow.

vote: Black Ranger
Fine with this, fine with Jason, see where it leads tomorrow. I think even chance either could be scum.

he feels like green is scum but no one posted a supporting case. And looking back, neither did he despite voting for them, switching his vote to me, voting back to green and then voting back to me near the end.

If he felt like he was scum, he could have posted a supporting case which he seems to have wanted others to do

VOTE: Trini

A merely symbolic final act to close out the phase

This feels weird but lines up with the way Zack has been. Hard to get a read on him over the first 2 days BUT his posts above has made him town in my eyes. At least for now.

So between people who were on the green train including active and inactive votes, I'd say it's between Alpha and Zordon. One of them is probably scum.
 
Rita, just to be clear: are you voting for Zordon here for long-standing flavor/you want that trophy reason, or because you fully agree with Zack's assessment. I do appreciate your playstyle, but it does occasionally make it difficult to appraise how serious any given comment you make is.

fully agree with zack's assessment.

was looking over zorodon before he chimed in:

you made it 4-4-3

then green ranger made it 5-4-3

scummy af

(unless i'm reading the votes wrong i could be?)

trini

what about zordon?

why shouldn't we consider him an ENEMY OF THE STATE?!

his votes aren't great in light of the jason flip either
 
My focus right now is the link being formed between Zack, Zordon and Rita.

I think pressure here is the way to go.

VOTE: Rita Repulsa

if that's your idea of pressure, then that's pretty lousy.

it's day 3 after scum just died, we had a "deathless" night, and i'm town as ****, which means even if i do die i'll just provide a ton of amazing reads in my death

why do i care about your substance-less vote again?
 

Kimberly

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If we're looking at Active votes, that would boil it down to Alpha 5 (rac is confirmed Town, Jason is confirmed scum and dead).

If we look at votes that switched from Green near the end



he feels like green is scum but no one posted a supporting case. And looking back, neither did he despite voting for them, switching his vote to me, voting back to green and then voting back to me near the end.

If he felt like he was scum, he could have posted a supporting case which he seems to have wanted others to do



This feels weird but lines up with the way Zack has been. Hard to get a read on him over the first 2 days BUT his posts above has made him town in my eyes. At least for now.

So between people who were on the green train including active and inactive votes, I'd say it's between Alpha and Zordon. One of them is probably scum.
I may have to agree with you on some of this.

Zordon’s push on green seemed like a possible rallying call. I get that it might be easy to say “that’s what the scum chat is for” but by doing this, it’s possible to catch undecided townies too. I mean I even went and reread Green at that point to try to see why he was keen on getting people to look there and Trini commented. Also wasn’t keen on the way he said not happy about this Green pile before switching at one point. As if he knew that it wasn’t really catching on the way it was hoped to.

Yeah starting to feel not too great on Zordon.

Alpha is someone I’d need to check again.
 

Yellow Ranger

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The other noteworthy part is how Jason says they're "pretty sure Tommy is town", but then diminishes their own "pretty sure"-level town-read by putting Tommy in the second tier of trustworthiness.

taken with this, also curious is tommy’s defenses of Jason D1 and D2

We're not going to get those reasons today. But, is that really enough reason for you to swap from your other plan? Someone trusting you is enough for you to scum read them now?

Vote: Trini

If there's no real defense, then I have no problem with this vote. I haven't liked her style of voting this whole time, and her case on Jason is weak as it is. Especially knowing that he wont' be back to answer those questions

What's the problem with Jason?

This is my stance reading back. I mean Jason is unfortunate, but it's not a clear cut scum case. Maybe for me its even more town than scum. I can't see scum doing what he is doing and yes, maybe that's shaky reasoning, but it is what it is.

I've had a worse feeling about Alpha 5. Don't like the day 1 contribution and switch from Finster to Goldar. Did he defend the accusation from Green about that?

Not much to say about their vote history yet without an alpha 5 flip unfortunately. but I think it’s worth keeping in mind that we’ve got what seems to be a clear interest in helping out jason in concert with your own observations
 

Tommy

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taken with this, also curious is tommy’s defenses of Jason D1 and D2









Not much to say about their vote history yet without an alpha 5 flip unfortunately. but I think it’s worth keeping in mind that we’ve got what seems to be a clear interest in helping out jason in concert with your own observations

I can only talk for the last 2 posts, basically only last one, and yes I did say I thought Jason was more town than scum, but I'm pretty sure if I wanted to help out and save Jason, my vote would not have ended up on Alpha 5, but on Black or Green ranger.
 
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