Mentorship Thread Ty4on and CoolestSpot

Ty4on

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Oy o/

How new are you to this? Do you know any of the rules?
I figure if you don't know them it's best to start there.
 
Hi-ho,
Thank you for being willingly to keep a n00b out, and guide me through all this. So I've played plenty of roleplaying mafia before, but never online, so I don't know how much that changes things. Also, I don't know if I'm supposed to reveal my role to you or if that's againist the rules and you're just here for practical advice.

My main question at the moment is where does the actual roleplay take place on the forum, and are we able to RP as any of the character's we're given as options?
 

Ty4on

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Hi-ho,
Thank you for being willingly to keep a n00b out, and guide me through all this. So I've played plenty of roleplaying mafia before, but never online, so I don't know how much that changes things. Also, I don't know if I'm supposed to reveal my role to you or if that's againist the rules and you're just here for practical advice.

My main question at the moment is where does the actual roleplay take place on the forum, and are we able to RP as any of the character's we're given as options?

I presume you mean roleplaying a character? Roleplaying isn't needed in the games we're playing, you can kinda see people doing their own thing if you open the thread. Players have in the past roleplayed characters just because they wanted to. You just do what what you think will help you win. As town that's finding mafia, as mafia that's making sure mafia aren't found and as neutral it's whatever your win condition is.

Unless you have a separate thread linked in your PM (and I guess this thread in another exception) ALL gameplay will be in the main thread with the exception of night actions and what not which you send to one of your game runners with a PM.

I can help you sift through the role PM, but as a general tip read it closely so you know what it means and just ask the moderator if anything is unclear. If they can't answer for whatever reason they'll just answer "sorry, can't answer that" :P
 

Ty4on

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We're in the early stages and people will latch onto small things and discuss them. That's normal; often it's just to spark discussion, but it can be genuine suspicion or something inbetween.

It can be a bit hard if you don't have many thoughts to post. My recommendation is to just post regardless. That'll warm you up and hopefully get someone asking a question that you can answer.

I may be a bit late out of bed tomorrow, but I'll try to respond as quickly as possible.
 
Thank you, I'm going to be posting a lot to catch up.

"Welcome to the the Godhand, CoolestSpot, I sure hope you like bloody betrayal.

You are SONIA, the Framer.
A young girl acting as a medium for the Band of the Hawk, with your prescient abilities, you can shed light on the hidden realities of our world, and obscure them as you see fit.

Twice in the game, on Odd Nights you may frame another player, if that player is investigated, the investigator will recieve the opposite of their usual result. Do this by sending FRAME: <player name> to a game mod during the night.
Your ability is only activated on ODD days/nights, on EVEN days/nights you are effectively Vanilla.

You are aligned with THE GODHAND (Mafia)
You win when surviving Mafia members outnumber surviving Town members.
You team also shares a single use bulletproof, the first night action primed to kill anyone on your team will automatically fail.
For the purpose of better blending into a Cosplay game, you may use any of the following characters as a fake claim:
Judeau
Pippin
Erica
Godo
Schierke
Roderick"

If roleplaying isn't as important, what are the character claims for? To hide the role one's character may give away?
 
Also, sorry for more questions, what does it mean for a "role madness" game and for a player to have an item? How important is said item?
 

Ty4on

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Also, sorry for more questions, what does it mean for a "role madness" game and for a player to have an item? How important is said item?
Role madness means that every player has a role.
In "normal" games a general rule is that 50% of the players are vanilla town. That means they are aligned with town and have no special abilities whatsoever. In other words no role.

Everybody having a role means another thing too. In games with vanilla town they are usually all some meaningless character while players with roles have a unique character name. When everyone has a role everyone also has a role name.
Mafia can't be honest about their named role in most games. People who are familiar with the backstory will know that yours is aligned with bad.
That's why you have all those other names that you can use in a fake claim if someone for whatever reason wants your role name. So basically what you said.
As Mafia you should have a chat on this side forum where you can talk about the game and there it's a good idea to decide who uses what name and brainstorm what ability you can lie about having. Your role especially is clearly mafia. That mafia thread is also a great source of extra help too.

Sorry for being a bit long winded lol
 

Ty4on

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Also, sorry for more questions, what does it mean for a "role madness" game and for a player to have an item? How important is said item?

Sorry for double posting, but ask ask ask
If you have a question don't hold back

I've played pretty active games so it's not hard for me to follow a few questions lol
 

Ty4on

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Quick little sheet about names of stuff:

The good guys are usually called town, townies and sometimes villagers.
The non aligned neutrals are usually just neutrals. Survivors are mostly benign and just have to stay alive while serial killers have to kill everyone and arsonists have to light everyone on fire (two septate night actions, douse and light those doused).
The bad guys are officially called mafia, but scum is probably the most common name for them. You may also see wolf.

PR stands for power role, in this game that is basically everyone.
NK is night kill. Note that town have no way of knowing who you killed and who someone else killed unless told.
Cops investigate someone's alignment, sometimes called a peek. Their result is usually good, bad or no result (blocked). They usually claim in the mid game or immediately if they catched a mafia. Godfather is a mafia who will be investigated as good and Miller is a town who is investigated as bad.
Doctors protect someone from being killed at night. A jailor does the same, but because they're jailed they can't use their power that night. A bodyguard will protect someone by redirecting the kill to them.
Roleblocker blocks someone from using their power at night. Note that jailor both protects and blocks.
Tracker sees who their target, if any, targeted. Ninjas are immune and a common mafia counter. There are related roles, but those are the most common. Sleepwalkers is another counter. They do nothing other than targeting random players at night to mess up investigation results. Usually town.
Major (this role is usually called something else elsewhere, but we've called them that) is able to once per game control the lynch and kill whomever they choose instead of votes deciding it. This is visible to everyone and pretty much confirms them as town.
Veteran, known also as paranoid gun owner, will shoot and kill anyone who targets them. A very common modifier is someone who chooses whether to arm their gun at night and has a limited number of users, but it can also be someone with no control who will shoot anyone. To stop them being impossible to kill they will often just have one shot.
 
This is all helpful, thanks! Right now I'm just trying to survive the first day and through off suspicion.

It's good to finally have a bit of handle on roles and everything. Seems since this is a role madness game it'll get pretty crazy.
 

RetroMG

Bergentrukung
Staff member
Please do not edit or delete posts in this or any Berserk thread without authorization from a gamerunner or moderator. The same rules apply here as in the main game thread. This message is being posted in every off-site thread.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Congratulations on the lynch! That's a really nice mislynch and from my skim the unanimous vote seems to make it especially hard for town to figure anything out from it.


I saw you asking about the rules. The list of rules is pretty long, but I can go through the most important if you'd like.
I'm pretty familiar with them and what's most important etc.
 
Thanks! I think I'm playing the new guy super hard, and that's helping me get over a lot of people. Killing the spy early was a major get for our side.

A nice sum up of the rules would be great
 

Ty4on

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Thanks! I think I'm playing the new guy super hard, and that's helping me get over a lot of people. Killing the spy early was a major get for our side.

A nice sum up of the rules would be great
Ya, you're playing great!

I'll go more indepth later today, but these are the cliffnotes from a different site and Mafia rules are largely the same everywhere.

Instructions to fit in, have everybody like you, and always be happy:
  • Only post/talk about the game in this thread. Don't PM other players, unless you are mafia and wish to talk with your teammates. Also, don't post anything about the game in other threads or on other forums.
  • Don't try to use the form of your role PM. So a screenshot of your role PM would be cheating.
  • If we believe you to bending the rules intentionally in a way that clearly goes against the spirit of the rules and the game, then that would also be grounds for modkill.
  • If you have any questions about rules, send a PM to your host. Avoid asking questions to the host in the thread.
  • Don't ever refer to private communications with the Game Host.
  • Treat your fellow players with respect. Hostility will not be tolerated.
On our site we aren't as strict when it comes to talking about Game Host (moderator) discussion, but they should be kept to a minimum. It's not a part of the game.
PMing mafia teammates also isn't legal here because it's discussion behind the back, but you can of course talk as much to them as you want in the mafia thread and ask moderators for a seperate discord channel to talk or whatever.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
No edit stuff!

You may notice those rules don't mention anything about editing. That's because they disable editing. We do the same on this subforum because we're in full control. I'm playing a game here and the option to edit doesn't exist there.

They're just as strict though. There's even a rule against linking a page you can edit because you're circumventing the rule.

The caveat is that Resetera and Gaf before it both have a short window where you can make a stealth edit. This creates a weird gray area because it isn't legal, but nobody can persecute you for it. I've used that window on gaf, but I don't really recommend it.
For extra content just make a new post. The great thing about Mafia is it's totally fine to quadruple post. I think my record is six lol
For corrections either make a short note or for more grave mistakes quote yourself and correct.
It's a good thing to get a good habit so you don't accidentally edit.
 

Ty4on

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That exclamation point is to emphasize what my post is about.... I know it looks weird lol

"Taking about no edit stuff!" Would have been more correct.

(This kinda works as an example. Not on purpose I promise :p)
 

Ty4on

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When it comes to the "don't quote your role pm" etc. the point is you shouldn't do anything that confirms your role like that. You can only use game mechanics like if applicable or words.

I think you get this better than I explain. If a townie claims and posts a picture of their role pm that isn't very fun for Mafia. It's also not what the game is about.

This extend beyond that. If you wanna talk about the fluff in your role pm (fluff means flavor components like your role name and explanation for your role that makes sense within whatever universe the game flavor is about) that's allowed, but you should paraphrase and never quote directly.
It's the same with other chats. Let's say you're invited to a gossip chat. Gossips are sperate chats where two or more players can talk, usually at night. You're allowed to talk about the gossip and what you were talking about, but you can't quote it or show any pictures/screenshots that can confirm its existence.

We rarely modkill players for mistakes since they're usually benign mistakes and just give them a warning, but quoting the role pm is so serious that in an earlier game a Mafia player was modkilled for doing it.
 

Ty4on

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I hope it's ok that these aren't that short :S

I find it easier to read stuff like this than a wall of rules.
 

Ty4on

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Oh ya, pronouns. You're obviously not going to be modkilled for using the wrong one, but you're going to be referring to players a fair bit so it helps to be accustomed. The player list shows pronouns and if you're unsure (like a replacement) you can of course ask.

If you repeatedly use the wrong one it can be misinterpreted as trying to agitate someone so be careful if you have a habit of misremembering.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Activity rules are a bit contradictory in the main rules.
That bit about asking for a leave is something I've never seen used and has been there since the very first game I think.

Basically make some content every day. We have that ten post rule because players have made just one or two small posts per day and it's not fun trying to figure out their alignment.

You don't need to be there all the time obviously. I'll sometimes take a longer break disconnecting completely and if you have an especially busy day don't stress it. If you're able to the other players will probably appreciate you saying you're going to be busy or why you were.
IMO as long as people remember you you're doing it right.


I'll add a second thing because I've kinda touched on it here.

Real life obligations
This is one rule I think is more specific to our community, but we've taken it quite seriously. If someone gives an excuse for being inactive like work or whatever then you're not allowed to question. By the same token you're also not allowed to make up fake excuses.
People shouldn't have to defend themselves if real life issues crop up.

It's also not legal to use activity outside the thread for anything. If you argue that person A should've been active in the game thread because they were posting in another thread or active in the discord that's going to close to real life stuff.

You can to a call players out for lurking (usually in the form of rarely making a post, but clearly reading because they're informed), but be careful not to draw in actions elsewhere and don't question excuses for inactivity.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I've thought about recording and animating a short video going through the rules for newbies lol

Some stuff is completely new like no editing.
Some stuff people know of, but can work a little differently like be nice and respectful to everyone. Mafia can get heated.
Some stuff is connected like keep the game within the game thread and don't discuss the game with anyone else (my role is kinda an exception, but I see my purpose helping you figure out the game and not "playing for you").
 

RetroMG

Bergentrukung
Staff member
Great breakdown, Ty! I will only correct one thing and it is SUPER minor.

and ask moderators for a seperate discord channel to talk or whatever.

We don't allow discussion of ongoing games in Discord unless it directly involves the gamerunners. (You can message your gamerunners on Discord, for example.) We won't set up a space for players to discuss a game on Discord. The reason for this is that we archive the discussions for future players to go back and read, and discord makes that complicated in a lot of ways.
 
Makes sense. I'm gonna take some time to digest all this, but man, good breakdown here. Thanks a lot Ty, you're making this a far easier time for me.
 

ynnny

SPIDER
Hi CS~
This was raised in another mentorship chat, but you may edit your posts after the game ended and you may also request for this chat to be kept private. Let me know your preferences? Thanks :) Im asking now so we can prep for when the game does end.... which shouldn't be too long away now... Haha
 
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