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[Faddy]

All you're saying here is that what town decides by vote doesn't matter

But of course town did not decide that vote which was pretty obvious when you look at the circumstances around it.

 

[karkador]

Not a load of time this morning. Will check in before day's end.


2. Blargonaut [m] - This is a weird Blarg but strikes me as town. Would not lynch today.

14. Nin1000 [m] - Probably town. Addressed him a few times with the misreading the thread so won't repeat. Would not lynch today.

vote: Dusk Soldier

vote: nin1000

Let's see what happens

no u: Blargonaut

 

[karkador]

But of course town did not decide that vote which was pretty obvious when you look at the circumstances around it.

Now that we know nin was scum, monkey's move also reads like it's protecting nin.

 

[Sorian]

All you're saying here is that what town decides by vote doesn't matter

It certainly doesn't when a governor/mayor/whatever you want to call it is in play. If I weren't on mobile I'd link the mafiascum wiki but I know you aren't this dense.

 

[karkador]

It certainly doesn't when a governor/mayor/whatever you want to call it is in play. If I weren't on mobile I'd link the mafiascum wiki but I know you aren't this dense.

It does matter. The intention is there. Blarg's flip didn't change anything for you.

 

[Sorian]

It does matter. The intention is there. Blarg's flip didn't change anything for you.

I'm still playing. That seems like a change.

:thinking:

 

[karkador]

Are you? I haven't really seen much leadership from you at all.

 

[Ty4on]

Monkey was the first vote on Kawl and iirc the first vote on Nin yesterday. Totes scum tho

 

[Sorian]

Are you? I haven't really seen much leadership from you at all.

You can't honestly be this dense.

 

[karkador]

You might not even ge

Monkey was the first vote on Kawl and iirc the first vote on Nin yesterday. Totes scum tho

Monkey dropped a non-vote on nin. She even said it wasn't her final vote. Her words. She panicked when others followed. That's why the override happened.

 

[karkador]

You can't honestly be this dense.

Go back to bed

 

[karkador]

You might not even ge

I meant to say,

You might not even get the votes to hammer me today. Just coasting.

 

[Sorian]

Go back to bed

Today's my day off, I'll sleep at some point but it's not super important.

Anyway, look at your last post. Monkey does throw a nothing vote on nin. You clearly see that but then you are surprised when the override flew out on someone else. Her votes for nin were never serious, that can be analyzed but youre sitting here wondering how she could have possibly changed her vote in 4 minutes or why her last minute gap close vote wasn't what she wanted to actually kill.

 

[heymonkey]

Kark: continues to call me scum, does not vote me, pushes the same stuff for multiple phases.

This has to be some sort of cover at this point. Awfully obvious if it's just scum. Could also be well be some odd role.

Otherwise, just vote me so you can get around to discussing something more productive. Scum won't NK me as long as these doubts circle.

 

[Faddy]

You might not even ge


Monkey dropped a non-vote on nin. She even said it wasn't her final vote. Her words. She panicked when others followed. That's why the override happened.

OK so monkey is the scum bus who used her override to convince us she is town. I'll buy it.


Who is the other scum player? Do you think it is someone on the Sorian train or the nin train?

 

[flatearthpandas]

Kark: continues to call me scum, does not vote me, pushes the same stuff for multiple phases.

Dark souls logic, watch out

 

[karkador]

Today's my day off, I'll sleep at some point but it's not super important.

Anyway, look at your last post. Monkey does throw a nothing vote on nin. You clearly see that but then you are surprised when the override flew out on someone else. Her votes for nin were never serious, that can be analyzed but youre sitting here wondering how she could have possibly changed her vote in 4 minutes or why her last minute gap close vote wasn't what she wanted to actually kill.

But she said she wouldn't kill Blarg either, nonetheless targeted him. AFTER he voted for nin. Am I not supposed to hold people accountable to words and actions? None of it makes any sense, except that it was a panicked defensive move.

 

[flatearthpandas]

If Sorian is town, do we all expect there would be scum on his wagon d1? Yes or no?

 

[karkador]

I'd say no, because I think people generally expect Sorian to stay in the game a long while. Can't earn town points if you bus someone who won't flip

 

[Sorian]

There used to be a dark period where I'd get NK'd a lot N1, now I shit post more.

 

[flatearthpandas]

There used to be a dark period where I'd get NK'd a lot N1, now I shit post more.

No shit.

Kark says no.
Your answer should be obvious but please answer. You think there's scum on your train?

 

[Sorian]

No shit.

Kark says no.
Your answer should be obvious but please answer. You think there's scum on your train?

I was going to look at my train when I get up to this meeting if that's alright, I don't have my train memorized. That ok with you?

 

[heymonkey]

Dark souls logic, watch out

Also true tho - turns out I wasn't scum. Nor were you. We were both town being played against one another with scum capitalizing on things in the game that could be blown up.

 

[flatearthpandas]

I was going to look at my train when I get up to this meeting if that's alright, I don't have my train memorized. That ok with you?

There's only three people and two are on your last scum list but take your time

 

[heymonkey]

Monkey was the first vote on Kawl and iirc the first vote on Nin yesterday. Totes scum tho

And I think we all know I'm not over here pulling off some 4d chess so probs there's a simpler answer and it's not that I'm scum. But we have a longer phase here so there's time yet for Kark and co to work through that.

I'm gonna go ahead and

vote: Dusk Soldier

Perhaps he wants to follow up on that early pseudo-claim or do something other than drop in, make noise, and drop out again.

 

[Sorian]

There's only three people and two are on your last scum list but take your time

Well yeah, clearly, Kark was on there and I have him down as a lock. At least you are an extremely light maybe since Kark was the scum out of you two.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Money, how about you? You think there was scum on sorian d1?

 

[Faddy]

And I think we all know I'm not over here pulling off some 4d chess so probs there's a simpler answer and it's not that I'm scum. But we have a longer phase here so there's time yet for Kark and co to work through that.

I'm gonna go ahead and

vote: Dusk Soldier

Perhaps he wants to follow up on that early pseudo-claim or do something other than drop in, make noise, and drop out again.

Dusk Soldier is clearly a front runner to be scum. A bus on day 1, then Sorian on day 2 and 3.

I still like Terrabyte20XX (formerly Crimson, Kevyt) just from an activity point of view. And then came into the thread with an immediate vote on Sorian. Hard not to see that as trying to build momentum for a mislynch.

flatearthpandas is in the running with him basically following the same arguments as Kark, although possibly too close together to be scum stuck in their Sorian tunnel.

Ty4on purely from the point that he came in late with no voting record. His late flip to nin kind of works in his favour, could have been holding back to see if he could save nin but decided to pick up some town credit.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Half agree with faddy.

So faddy, you think there's scum on sorian d1?

 

[flatearthpandas]

Though, i don't like how faddy's reads are predicated on sorian being town. Faddy stays in my would-lynch list

 

[Dr. Worm]

Though, i don't like how faddy's reads are predicated on sorian being town. Faddy stays in my would-lynch list

you really think the vote yesterday was scum vs scum?

 

[flatearthpandas]

you really think the vote yesterday was scum vs scum?

Not impossible. I think it's unlikely sorian is scum but not impossible.

Now do you think there was scum on Sorian d1?

Why is this such a hard question for everyone to answer?

 

[Faddy]

Half agree with faddy.

So faddy, you think there's scum on sorian d1?

I already told you yesterday my scum team. Then you questioned why scum would split their vote between CCS and Sorian. The full exchange.

You're assuming there are no inactive scum. You're assuming scum votes weren't already tied up on the second train.

What do you suggest scum were doing? Voting sorian?

yes, just like they voted Sorian on day 1.

Kark is the only one on both of those votes. Who are the other two then?

nin and Terra (formerly Crimson, formerly kevyt)

 

[Faddy]

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Why did Nin and Kark split their votes d1 instead of saving kawl? Why did scum both lead into a wagon rather than create one?

I see where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced. Food for thought. I guess the million dollar question is: who do you think is best lynch?

That is pretty obvious. Split the vote and see if one of the trains gathers momentum. Then one on the failed wagon can move over if it becomes a 2-way race on the premise that they were picking between two people. Since neither train really picked up they played it safe and kept separate votes.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Yes or no question dude, no need to pull up quotes from yesterday. Christ

 

[heymonkey]

Money, how about you? You think there was scum on sorian d1?

In the final vote? That was you, Kark, and Nomadic. Not really? SOMETHING is going on with Kark but as above, I think it could as easily be some weird role. I think you and Nomad are more likely town.

Dusk Soldier is clearly a front runner to be scum. A bus on day 1, then Sorian on day 2 and 3.

I still like Terrabyte20XX (formerly Crimson, Kevyt) just from an activity point of view. And then came into the thread with an immediate vote on Sorian. Hard not to see that as trying to build momentum for a mislynch.

flatearthpandas is in the running with him basically following the same arguments as Kark, although possibly too close together to be scum stuck in their Sorian tunnel.

Ty4on purely from the point that he came in late with no voting record. His late flip to nin kind of works in his favour, could have been holding back to see if he could save nin but decided to pick up some town credit.

I am on board with most of this as possibilities and I like the way you're working through it.

 

[Faddy]

Yes or no question dude, no need to pull up quotes from yesterday. Christ

But ability to multi quote and move pages when writing replies is like the best feature of this board.

 

[Dr. Worm]

if there's scum from D1 Sorian it's Kark

 

[flatearthpandas]

It seems kark will flip today. What if he is town? Do you think there was scum on Sorian?

 

[Dr. Worm]

if Kark is town I don't think there was scum on Sorian D1

 

[flatearthpandas]

Hmm

 

[karkador]

i'm gonna save a cop the trouble of claiming and say that yes, a cop probably already checked me and isn't gonna vote me out

 

[flatearthpandas]

I have doubts there is a cop

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Hey, I was re-reading the day and I realized that Nomad has yet to show up at all. Wonder what the deal is with that.

 

[Sorian]

i'm gonna save a cop the trouble of claiming and say that yes, a cop probably already checked me and isn't gonna vote me out

There are masons and an overrider, I doubt there is a cop. Good try though.

 

[karkador]

masons, nor a jailor, not even a supposed town overrider, gives town any concrete info. there's gotta be at least one investigator

 

[Dr. Worm]

i'm gonna save a cop the trouble of claiming and say that yes, a cop probably already checked me and isn't gonna vote me out

how do you figure?

 

[Sorian]

masons, nor a jailor, not even a supposed town overrider, gives town any concrete info. there's gotta be at least one investigator

Ok, first off, no, there does not need to be an investigator. Please see my weak cop claim.

Second, masons do give town concrete info.

 

[Nomad Sparkster]

Vote: El Topo

 

[karkador]

Second, masons do give town concrete info.

That's not an investigator

 

[Dr. Worm]

Vote: El Topo

I'm bearish on Topo because he didn't move to save nin on D2

 

[Sorian]

That's not an investigator

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Informative_roles

 

[karkador]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Informative_roles

So who's the other Mason?

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Vote: El Topo

Care to elaborate on this? Same as last day?

 

[Sorian]

So who's the other Mason?

They can literally claim at any time for a free clear because scum is literally only outing themselves if they counter claim.

The fact that you are trying to fish for that info really cements this whole thing though.

 

[Faddy]

No one can say I don't undercut my own theories.

I think this should be the actual votes we look at since everyone voting after this is town read, so it would be fair to say scum was happy with this outcome. I think the chances are I was wrong on Crimson.

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT:

CrimsonFist (4)
Faddy
Flatearthpnads
Hey_Monkey
Blargonaut

Sorian (3)
Dusk Soldier
Karkador
Nin1000

Nin1000 (2)
Kyanrute
Sorian

El Topo (1)
Nomadic Sparks

Blargonaut (1)
El Topo

No Vote (5)
Bronx-man
cabot
CrimsonFist
Darryl

So let us assume Crimson is Town
Now I could be the best scum hunter in the world and land luckily on Crimson, but what if I hit town and FEP was in behind me to push a mislynch? FEP why did you switch off Sorian on Day 2. The set up for a Day 3 Sorian lynch looks obvious.

But FEP could also be clean
So scum were happy with the lynch. With scum kark and nin on Sorian did they all put their votes on Sorian? It seems somewhat plausible which would make Dusk scum. But that might be risky.

But maybe Dusk is clean too
Then we would be looking at off voters like Nomad or Topo. Or non voters like Ty4on (bronx) or Worm (Darryl). With day 3 end it looks good for Worm and El Topo, Nomad is still off on his own which might be scummy and Ty voted late which set off scum alarms.

 

[Sorian]

I'M GOING TO BED

In an attempt to stop letting Kark grind everything to a halt.

@Nomad Sparkster , you going to comment at all on current events?

 

[karkador]

They can literally claim at any time for a free clear because scum is literally only outing themselves if they counter claim.

The fact that you are trying to fish for that info really cements this whole thing though.

Why not claim it then?

 

[Faddy]

Why not claim it then?

Because it is a solid town claim that can be used closer to the end of the game. Claiming now allows scum to pick off a confirmed town

 

[karkador]

I'm gonna claim Mason then, if that's alright with everyone

 

[karkador]

My partner was Cabot ("John")!

My partner was John!

 

[Faddy]

I'm gonna claim Mason then, if that's alright with everyone

You are trying to force a counter claim, cute.

If I was the other mason I would be saying nothing.

 

[karkador]

The other Mason is dead

 

[Faddy]

The other Mason is dead

What do you think of your partner scum reading you? Did you have a big argument about nin being scum?

 

[karkador]

What do you think of your partner scum reading you? Did you have a big argument about nin being scum?

You've already accepted blatant contradictions with hey_monkey, you aren't interested in these explanations.

Anyway, I breadcrumbed Mason a long, long time ago, as you can see. I'll take that confirmed Town status now. Thanks.

 

[karkador]

CONFIRMED TOWN

 

[Faddy]

CONFIRMED TOWN

hello fellow townie.

Since you have clearly been keeping this secret since Cabot's flip at the start of the day do you have any insight to who is scum.

Do you think your Sorian tunnel is now wrong, are you ready to town read him?

 

[Dr. Worm]

I thought Cabot was Jamie

 

[karkador]

Mods? Can we get a ruling on whether Cabot is Jamie or John?

 

[karkador]

And make the penalty a modkill if I'm wrong

 

[karkador]

you know you wanna

 

[Dusk Soldier]

No one can say I don't undercut my own theories.

I think this should be the actual votes we look at since everyone voting after this is town read, so it would be fair to say scum was happy with this outcome. I think the chances are I was wrong on Crimson.

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT:

CrimsonFist (4)
Faddy
Flatearthpnads
Hey_Monkey
Blargonaut

Sorian (3)
Dusk Soldier
Karkador
Nin1000

Nin1000 (2)
Kyanrute
Sorian

El Topo (1)
Nomadic Sparks

Blargonaut (1)
El Topo

No Vote (5)
Bronx-man
cabot
CrimsonFist
Darryl

So let us assume Crimson is Town
Now I could be the best scum hunter in the world and land luckily on Crimson, but what if I hit town and FEP was in behind me to push a mislynch? FEP why did you switch off Sorian on Day 2. The set up for a Day 3 Sorian lynch looks obvious.

But FEP could also be clean
So scum were happy with the lynch. With scum kark and nin on Sorian did they all put their votes on Sorian? It seems somewhat plausible which would make Dusk scum. But that might be risky.

But maybe Dusk is clean too
Then we would be looking at off voters like Nomad or Topo. Or non voters like Ty4on (bronx) or Worm (Darryl). With day 3 end it looks good for Worm and El Topo, Nomad is still off on his own which might be scummy and Ty voted late which set off scum alarms.

I thought Sorian had 4 votes D2?

 

[Faddy]

I thought Sorian had 4 votes D2?

He did. I went back to before late vote nonsense happened since we have a good idea that all those votes (blarg, cabot, monkey and sorian) are town.

 

[karkador]

Don't expect Faddy to present an argument in good faith

 

[Dr. Worm]

VOTE: Dusk Soldier

 

[Faddy]

Don't expect Faddy to present an argument in good faith

My arguments are built on facts, not faith.

 

[karkador]

My arguments are built on facts, not faith.

Convenient facts, since you keep obscuring details to your benefit. Also, "we have a good idea that all those votes (blarg, cabot, monkey and sorian) are town" is not facts

 

[Dr. Worm]

Kark if we Lynch monkey and she's town who is our next target

 

[Faddy]

Convenient facts, since you keep obscuring details to your benefit. Also, "we have a good idea that all those votes (blarg, cabot, monkey and sorian) are town" is not facts

Cabot - confirmed
Blarg - confirmed
monkey - PR and vote confirmed
Sorian - confirmed pretty much, no way that is 2 scum trains yesterday

 

[heymonkey]

What in the unholy name of fuck is going on with Karkador?

 

[Dr. Worm]

What in the unholy name of fuck is going on with Karkador?

He's claiming Mason

 

[Ty4on]

This is me not claiming masons.

 

[heymonkey]

Yes, I see that. But he also rallied for us to vote him out really early in the day and now he's begging for a modkill.

 

[Faddy]

Yes, I see that. But he also rallied for us to vote him out really early in the day and now he's begging for a modkill.

He is a desperate scum, nothing he does needs to make complete sense.

 

[Dr. Worm]

He is a desperate scum, nothing he does needs to make complete sense.

I mean, I'll believe him if he doesn't get counterclaimed

 

[Faddy]

I mean, I'll believe him if he doesn't get counterclaimed

No Worm. We have a player with a valuable claim to be made later in the game, why give that up to a flailing Karkador when he is going to be lynched anyway.

 

[heymonkey]

I mean, I'll believe him if he doesn't get counterclaimed

There's no reason to believe him. The way he started the day, the way he and cabot interacted, cabot as John?? - maybe, maybe if he produces these breadcrumbs, but until then, there's no reason. I don't buy it. I think he's got some kind of weird role or he just wants out.

 

[karkador]

He is a desperate scum, nothing he does needs to make complete sense.

you're not even voting for me

 

[Dr. Worm]

No Worm. We have a player with a valuable claim to be made later in the game, why give that up to a flailing Karkador when he is going to be lynched anyway.

I think you're overestimating the usefulness of the claim a bit, especially at this point in the game

 

[karkador]

Do you guys want the link to the scum chat?

 

[karkador]

https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/41/

 

[karkador]

jk

 

[Hecht]

Ok...

Karkador is dead! (modkill)

Greetings!


You are a Terrible Person. You are aligned with TOWN.


You do not have any special abilities, but you can vote!


You win when all threats to Town are eliminated.


The game thread can be found here: http://outergafia.net/index.php?threads/30/

Majority is still 6.

 

[Faddy]

I think you're overestimating the usefulness of the claim a bit, especially at this point in the game

Don't get complacent that we will get the final scum players right away. We could be wildly off base.

 

[Dr. Worm]

The fuck

 

[Faddy]

Ok...

Karkador is dead! (modkill)



Majority is still 6.

Umm. Thanks?

 

[Faddy]

Now Kark is dead and we can see he was also lying about being a mason.

How was that helping town?

 

[Ty4on]

Now Kark is dead and we can see he was also lying about being a mason.

How was that helping town?

I think that was what killed him.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Ouro why did you modkill him

 

[Faddy]

I think that was what killed him.

Yeah but we would have got that info when we flipped him. Right now we are gaining a lynch.