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[Sorian]

@Sorian why are people voting for you?

Today? A lot of it is because I lost the vote yesterday and people are keen to just make sure that happens anyway. The original reason starting from yesterday. The main argument has been that Kawl died D1 and that votes for me could have easily saved Kawl. The idea being that Kawl and I must be scum together which is why I wasn't an option to save Kawl. It's an indefensible position since all I can point out is that the CCS last minute swing stole a lot of mindshare.

I actually legit think Kark is town. That hasn't changed, though the weird focus on mechanics and game balance to create completely out of nowhere conjecture does not feel particularly townie.

IF I wanted to suspect anything, it would have been Sorian swearing up and down that Kark isn't scum, but there's not much reason to assume they're teamed up.

I haven't sweared up and down that he's town aside from my day 1 initial reads. I very much think he or FEP are scum, it's just that I put FEP at slightly higher odds. I'd think any other player doing what Kark is doing would be a lunatic but this is Kark's MO. Certainly different from the one time he was scum where he just sat hiding in scum chat all day.

Hell, I can't find it now, maybe it was Kark who mentioned just having coming off a team with Sorian and not the other way around. But they went back and forth a little on it, sorta talking around each other.

Sorian, when you return: you voted Dusk before. How do you feel about that one now?

I still feel that he is scum. The drive by shade and the fact that Kawl needed at least one busser to realistically get lynched makes me think it was Dusk. Aside from the good will of that vote, I see nothing towny this whole game.

 

[heymonkey]

haven't sweared up and down that he's town aside from my day 1 initial reads.

I'm definitely being hyperbolic there. But the whole back and forth does stick out to me. Not as a huge thing. Just a thing.

I still feel that he is scum. The drive by shade and the fact that Kawl needed at least one busser to realistically get lynched makes me think it was Dusk. Aside from the good will of that vote, I see nothing towny this whole game.

I'd be inclined to agree with this. But I always suspect Dusk of being scum and thus tend to be wary. He's the only presence (besides Nomadic, who I believe is probably town) who is weirdly suspect and not being replaced, apparently, and that makes me even more wary.

 

[Faddy]

Can we get a vote count please.

 

[Sorian]

I'm actually surprised Nomad has posted as little as he has today. Usually he's already gone on his daily tirade.

 

[El Topo]

Nomad has been rather quiet today. I assume it could just be real life stuff that keeps him busy.

 

[heymonkey]

It is not atypical for him to go through long periods of silence but I will hold that he's been a bit off this game. Still, I agree with - I think it was Sorian? - the idea that the first time Nomad rolls scum, we'll know. Unless the rest of the scum team is largely away, in which case who knows.

 

[El Topo]

I kind of dislike this whole meta argument where players know how the other reacts. Like, I don't think I could tell the difference between town cabot and scum cabot for example.

 

[El Topo]

That wasn't criticism by the way, just trying to say that we shouldn't get caught up in that.

 

[heymonkey]

I kind of dislike this whole meta argument where players know how the other reacts. Like, I don't think I could tell the difference between town cabot and scum cabot for example.

I do as well but I also find it unavoidable. Unfortunately it's come up far more in this game than it should because there's actually not a lot happening. Not much vote moving. Lots of inactives. People moving in and out. The same ideas being pushed from day 1 with new happenings simply pulled in and fit into narratives. So meta becomes the fallback.

 

[Ty4on]

1. BiscuitFreak69 [-] (Darryl) -> Dr.Worm
2. Blargonaut [m]
3. Bronx-Man [m] -> Ty4on
4. cabot [m]
5. CCS [m] - Killed N1
6. Dusk Soldier [m]
7. El Topo [m]
8. Faddy [m]
9. flatearthpandas [m]
10. hey_monkey [f]
11. Karkador [m]
12. Kawl [m] - Lynched D1
13. Kyanrute [m]
14. Nin1000 [m]
15. Nomadic Sparks [m]
16. CrimsonFist [m] -> Terrabyte
17. Sorian [m]
18. Squidyj [m] - Killed N1

This should be correct?

 

[El Topo]

I do as well but I also find it unavoidable. Unfortunately it's come up far more in this game than it should because there's actually not a lot happening. Not much vote moving. Lots of inactives. People moving in and out. The same ideas being pushed from day 1 with new happenings simply pulled in and fit into narratives. So meta becomes the fallback.

I'd criticize others, but I've been rather inactive lately as well, today due to work, the last day due to...well...vacation.

 

[karkador]

~1 hour left, hurry up and vote. Pokemon go to the polls.

 

[cabot]

pretty okay with my nin vote, doesn't need replaced if he's dead.

 

[Sorian]

VOTE: nin1000

Aside from CCS, kind of, I've never really gotten to do anything other than self-pres vote

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

I'm keeping my vote on Sorian, nothing he's said has really changed my mind on him being most suspicious.

 

[Faddy]

pretty okay with my nin vote, doesn't need replaced if he's dead.

same

 

[Ty4on]

I'm not drawn to any of these three in particular. I see what people are saying about Sorian but I think they are being premature. Like really premature. People are right that CCS is inconsistent and scattered brained but outside of being able to make the case, none of it seems to add up to scum for me. Kawl, I think is the one of the three that I am most comfortable lynching.

Vote: Kawl

This looks like a bus. Too explaining

 

[Dr. Worm]

I do as well but I also find it unavoidable. Unfortunately it's come up far more in this game than it should because there's actually not a lot happening. Not much vote moving. Lots of inactives. People moving in and out. The same ideas being pushed from day 1 with new happenings simply pulled in and fit into narratives. So meta becomes the fallback.

I mean, we did get a D1 scumflip, which is good to work from, and it's not like we have much to go off from D2

 

[flatearthpandas]

Awake!

Nin now in the lead 5-4

Nin is my next in line but i really think sorian should be first

 

[Ty4on]

who wants to swing and hit Sorian

:pukes:

 

[Ty4on]

worst auto emoji possible

 

[karkador]

I think that's nin 5 sorian 4?

 

[Ty4on]

I think that's nin 5 sorian 4?

ya, two from majority

 

[Ty4on]

Doesn't look like we caught scum here folks

This is odd for scum tho... :grumbles:

 

[heymonkey]

This is what it looks like right now - updated feps - tell me if it's wrong?



Sorian:

• flatearthpandas 1172
• karkador 1174
• Dusk Soldier 1251
• Terrabyte20xx 1305

nin1000:

• hey_monkey 1327
• cabot 1337
• Faddy #1379
• Dr. Worm #1463
• Sorian #1514

El Topo:

• Nomad Sparkster 1394

 

[flatearthpandas]

This looks like a bus. Too explaining

Except you should notice that kawl is not in the lead at this point. Two other trains literally just picked up steam, the vote is 4-3-3 CCS > Kawl = Sorian. Then scum busses him back into the lead? That'd be a good but, but I'd that what you really want to do with your lynch bomb day one?

 

[heymonkey]

So if nin himself comes in and votes, it'll probably tie, leaving Nomad as kingmaker unless Ty votes and/or someone flips?

 

[flatearthpandas]

This is what it looks like right now - updated feps - tell me if it's wrong?

What i got

 

[heymonkey]

I don't think Darryl was a bus. His posts at the end were weird but lots has been weird.

 

[Ty4on]

Except you should notice that kawl is not in the lead at this point. Two other trains literally just picked up steam, the vote is 4-3-3 CCS > Kawl = Sorian. Then scum busses him back into the lead? That'd be a good but, but I'd that what you really want to do with your lynch bomb day one?

town points are always nice

I instabussed both my mates when I felt pressured. no ragrets

 

[El Topo]

Didn't realize it was so close. Will have to decide between those two I assume.
I didn't like how both Sorian and nin followed my vote on CCS, but with nin...it didn't feel surprising. Nin is nin. Regarding Sorian, I have a bit of an odd feeling to be honest. Again though, this could just be due to our previous altercation.

 

[karkador]

i don't really see how nin is an alternative to the sorian vote. i've argued the damn thing to death, while people are picking nin because inactivity. sigh

 

[Dr. Worm]

On the one hand Sorian's pleading metafeels diff enough from my past games with him where he was scum that I could call it town

On the other hand his scumreads make me want to lynch him

Kark kinda put me off him because I'm not sure how scum Sorian makes contextual sense, but I gotta say I could swing

 

[Ty4on]

I don't think Darryl was a bus. His posts at the end were weird but lots has been weird.

Darryl's D1 just gave me a very odd feel. Like not the normal Darryl and kinda acting

Not super scummy though. Too obvious almost

 

[Dr. Worm]

Also Darryl is legit trust me I checked him he's clean

 

[El Topo]

On the other hand it seems odd that we're having Sorian in the running for two straight days, whereas e.g. Crimson dropped off the suspect list.

 

[cabot]

i don't really see how nin is an alternative to the sorian vote. i've argued the damn thing to death, while people are picking nin because inactivity. sigh

interesting retelling. nin's been abject and wishy washy all game.

 

[Faddy]

i don't really see how nin is an alternative to the sorian vote. i've argued the damn thing to death, while people are picking nin because inactivity. sigh

nin voted for CCS and also what I believe is a mislynch on Sorian.

Activity is not the main issue

 

[karkador]

I'd say, if you don't agree on Sorian, then go monkey, because everything about monkey's follow-up to that override has been nonsense

 

[Sorian]

i don't really see how nin is an alternative to the sorian vote. i've argued the damn thing to death, while people are picking nin because inactivity. sigh

The Kawl vote was god's gift to humanity and the shining bastion of good play but the nin vote is inactivity? Are you fucking kidding me right now?

 

[El Topo]

Also Darryl is legit trust me I checked him he's clean

I, wait, what?

 

[karkador]

interesting retelling. nin's been abject and wishy washy all game.

it's like you've never played a game with nin

 

[Ty4on]

On the one hand Sorian's pleading metafeels diff enough from my past games with him where he was scum that I could call it town

On the other hand his scumreads make me want to lynch him

Kark kinda put me off him because I'm not sure how scum Sorian makes contextual sense, but I gotta say I could swing

that's a wolfy pop-in... (o.o);

Does Sorian's meta feel different to scum!Sorian?

 

[Faddy]

So Kark has given up pushing Sorian and is now onto protecting nin

 

[Ty4on]

I, wait, what?

It's as if he knows Darryl's alignment

 

[Dr. Worm]

On the other hand it seems odd that we're having Sorian in the running for two straight days, whereas e.g. Crimson dropped off the suspect list.

I trust the nin vote from yesterday more than the CrimsonFist vote

 

[Sorian]

It's as if he knows Darryl's alignment

He must be the cop!

 

[flatearthpandas]

Also Darryl is legit trust me I checked him he's clean

This makes me feel better about nothing

 

[Sorian]

On the other hand it seems odd that we're having Sorian in the running for two straight days, whereas e.g. Crimson dropped off the suspect list.

Why is that weird, a new player subbed in that is more active. That's pretty normal for this community.

 

[karkador]

So Kark has given up pushing Sorian and is now onto protecting nin

You've been running defense all day, you're one to talk

 

[Ty4on]

He must be the cop!

Dammit, stop outing folks

 

[Dr. Worm]

that's a wolfy pop-in... (o.o);

Does Sorian's meta feel different to scum!Sorian?

Kinda, but that may be because I don't recall him being as much under fire before?

 

[cabot]

it's like you've never played a game with nin

ive played many, and he's been different in most of them, but a streak of aggression and pushing people is constant.

Something that never happened here.

 

[heymonkey]

interesting retelling. nin's been abject and wishy washy all game.

Quoting this because:

it's like you've never played a game with nin

This cannot be all we work from. nin has been straight up wrong on details, is not involved in scum hunting, has been openly willing to just go with whatever. That is not town behavior.

I'd say, if you don't agree on Sorian, then go monkey, because everything about monkey's follow-up to that override has been nonsense

Sure, yes, do it. And then maybe town can get down to business instead of eating itself.

 

[Faddy]

You've been running defense all day, you're one to talk

Yes.

You have changed at the last minute.

 

[Ty4on]

Ok real talk

The weird lynchbomb role kinda throws a wrench, but I townread Sorian's D1 EoD because he's so lax and isn't pushing a counterwagon. He's usually a lot more proactive as scum and even though he isn't directly defending his mates he is trying to redirect folks over to scummy townies while keeping the bus door open.

 

[karkador]

Yes.

You have changed at the last minute.

My vote's still where it needs to be. Your entire day has been revisionism and bending the truth, why stop now

 

[Dr. Worm]

Yes.

You have changed at the last minute.

Seems consistent to me?

He's convinced that Sorian + monkey is scum. From that perspective, one scumlynch is the same as another

 

[Faddy]

My vote's still where it needs to be. Your entire day has been revisionism and bending the truth, why stop now

What now. You are defending nin. moving your vote from Sorian would run counter to that.

Tell me about town nin please. Don't you find his day 1 vote on CCS at least a bit suspicious.

 

[Ty4on]

Townread is a strong word, non scumread
The passivity is more nai to me

 

[heymonkey]

Didn't realize it was so close. Will have to decide between those two I assume.
I didn't like how both Sorian and nin followed my vote on CCS, but with nin...it didn't feel surprising. Nin is nin. Regarding Sorian, I have a bit of an odd feeling to be honest. Again though, this could just be due to our previous altercation.

On the other hand it seems odd that we're having Sorian in the running for two straight days, whereas e.g. Crimson dropped off the suspect list.

Oh, I didn't realize you hadn't voted yet. How fascinating. Here's something, everyone: Topo suspicion crosses lines of both vote groups. And outside of that rumble of suspicion, even though you've been relatively active, I don't have too much feeling on you.

I wonder why that is?

 

[karkador]

What now. You are defending nin. moving your vote from Sorian would run counter to that.

Tell me about town nin please. Don't you find his day 1 vote on CCS at least a bit suspicious.[/QUOTE]

Go to bed

testing something here

VOTE: CCS

 

[Dr. Worm]

Oh, I didn't realize you hadn't voted yet. How fascinating. Here's something, everyone: Topo suspicion crosses lines of both vote groups. And outside of that rumble of suspicion, even though you've been relatively active, I don't have too much feeling on you.

I wonder why that is?

Last minute switch? Can we can we please please please?

 

[heymonkey]

Speaking of the Dr. Worm joke-cop thing up there, though, Dusk did semi soft claim a role and we've flipped vanillas outside of CCS. There's crazy shit yet waiting in the wings, friends.

 

[flatearthpandas]

This cannot be all we work from. nin has been straight up wrong on details, is not involved in scum hunting, has been openly willing to just go with whatever. That is not town behavior.

But then Sorian has also been straight up wrong on details and his scum hunting doesn't go far beyond yelling about me and/or kark for yelling about him

 

[El Topo]

Don't you find his day 1 vote on CCS at least a bit suspicious.

Given that you e.g. explicitly mentioned on D2 how you considered Sorian's D1 behavior suspicious, did you comment on D2 on how you apparently thought nin was scummy?

 

[heymonkey]

feps, I'm way more into your logic over Kark's re: Sorian but he's been doing more than that on this page alone. Let's not start just constructing shit wholecloth.

 

[Sorian]

But then Sorian has also been straight up wrong on details and his scum hunting doesn't go far beyond yelling about me and/or kark for yelling about him

Yes, I've said nothing about any other scum reads at all.

 

[Faddy]

Tell me about town nin please. Don't you find his day 1 vote on CCS at least a bit suspicious.

Go to bed[/QUOTE]

So do you suspect me? Am I getting a pass like nin or am I in the shit like Sorian?

 

[RetroMG]

nin1000 (5)
heymonkey
cabot
Faddy
Dr. Worm
Sorian

Sorian (4)
flatearthpandas
karkador
Dusk Soldier
Terrabyte20xx

El Topo (1)
Nomad Sparkster

 

[Faddy]

Given that you e.g. explicitly mentioned on D2 how you considered Sorian's D1 behavior suspicious, did you comment on D2 on how you apparently thought nin was scummy?

Nope my scum read of nin has come from his day 2 play and looking and correlating both day 1 and 2 votes.

 

[heymonkey]

I'll just lay this out now: I'd vote nin, Dusk, possibly Topo, in that order. Would not vote cabot, Faddy, Dr. Worm, Ty, Terra for now. Would be less inclined to vote feps, Kark, Sorian. I think nin has been suspect top down - votes, posts, "participation," and I don't want to deal with another replacement. Does anyone else? Is there really a reason to push a day 1 Sorian tunnel over nin? Honestly? I just don't see it. Sorian is Sorian and there's always gonna be an issue there but I have such a hard time seeing Sorian over nin here.

 

[karkador]

So do you suspect me? Am I getting a pass like nin or am I in the shit like Sorian?

Let's see how the vote comes up, don't be so eager to defend yourself

 

[heymonkey]

I get that people think I'm dirty and protecting Sorian or whatever but comparing votes and behavior as objectively as possible, with another replacement in the pipeline... I just have a hard time not voting nin in this moment.

 

[Dr. Worm]

I'm gonna believe the hook Towner for now

 

[flatearthpandas]

feps, I'm way more into your logic over Kark's re: Sorian but he's been doing more than that on this page alone. Let's not start just constructing shit wholecloth.

Does he?

This page, he calls me scum but shades kark.

Then he calls dusk the busser but gives limited reasons. Drive-by shade he says... On who? You guessed it, Dusk has been voting Sorian for two days now. Just more of the same shitty reads from sorian. Scum is voting for him.

He meta shades nomad, then he shades kark again.

No, I don't find this to be amazingly more useful than nin tbh

 

[karkador]

I'd still like to remind everyone that monkey has blatantly lied about her motivations re: the override and her vote on nin yesterday

 

[Dr. Worm]

TBH I think there's like a 50/50 chance we're looking at town v town and would much rather ride a Topo train

 

[El Topo]

Not sold on either player. Would prefer if we lynched Sorian so we could also put the whole "heymonkey is scum so she used her power to protect Sorian" narrative to rest.

Vote: Sorian

 

[Sorian]

I'd still like to remind everyone that monkey has blatantly lied about her motivations re: the override and her vote on nin yesterday

Are you still pretending that 4 minutes isn't enough time to change a vote?

 

[flatearthpandas]

Votes are tied

 

[karkador]

Are you still pretending that 4 minutes isn't enough time to change a vote?

no it's not, especially when you're on mobile in a car, as monkey said she was

 

[karkador]

if she voted nin D2, she logically should have picked nin to die.

 

[Sorian]

Does he?

This page, he calls me scum but shades kark.

Then he calls dusk the busser but gives limited reasons. Drive-by shade he says... On who? You guessed it, Dusk has been voting Sorian for two days now. Just more of the same shitty reads from sorian. Scum is voting for him.

He meta shades nomad, then he shades kark again.

No, I don't find this to be amazingly more useful than nin tbh

And no, I've been talking about Topo and nin too. Dusk has only been throwing pot shots at whoever is vote lead or is being talked about when he pops in. I like how it's all about votes with everyone else but you are going to pigeon hole me to you and Kark when I'm not voting for either of you.

 

[Sorian]

no it's not, especially when you're on mobile in a car, as monkey said she was

Spoilers, her power let her ignore the day end timer. The arbitrary 4 minutes means nothing.

 

[Ty4on]

Ty4on [m]

hey_monkey [f]

flatearthpandas [m]

Faddy [m]
cabot [m]

Sorian [m]

Nomadic Sparks [m]
Karkador [m]

Dr.Worm [m]
Dusk Soldier [m]
Terrabyte [m]

El Topo [m]
Nin1000 [m]

 

[karkador]

Spoilers, her power let her ignore the day end timer. The arbitrary 4 minutes means nothing.

it's a twilight power

 

[heymonkey]

I'd still like to remind everyone that monkey has blatantly lied about her motivations re: the override and her vote on nin yesterday

God, I wish you'd just vote me so we could stop hearing this nonsense. The fact that you are saying this like it's absolute truth is just ridiculous. You can say you think I lied. But you don't live in my head, Kark, and you're not gonna know the truth of it until the flip. There's no way to prove this. Why are you using this language? You know better. This is dumb. It's just dumb and distracting.

 

[Faddy]

if she voted nin D2, she logically should have picked nin to die.

But what if there was a stupid rule that meant she had to vote but couldn't override the player she was voting for....

 

[Dr. Worm]

Spoilers, her power let her ignore the day end timer. The arbitrary 4 minutes means nothing.

is that how we normally do governors?

 

[Sorian]

Am I crazy? This argument is so dumb when it's clear she put a vote down to see how inactives and fence sitters would react.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Not on this page. Your not voting me because voted are tied and you maybe finally get lynched if you vote me right now let's not pretend you haven't spent the majority of two phases sitting on my me

 

[Sorian]

is that how we normally do governors?

Yes, as long as the mod hasn't posted the flip then it's all free game.

 

[Ty4on]

And no, I've been talking about Topo and nin too. Dusk has only been throwing pot shots at whoever is vote lead or is being talked about when he pops in. I like how it's all about votes with everyone else but you are going to pigeon hole me to you and Kark when I'm not voting for either of you.

Anything concrete in your notes that you didn't like about Dusk?

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

How much longer till day end again?

 

[Faddy]

Am I crazy? This argument is so dumb when it's clear she put a vote down to see how inactives and fence sitters would react.

Nope money's vote tied the count at 3 for Crimson, Sorian and Nin.

 

[karkador]

Am I crazy? This argument is so dumb when it's clear she put a vote down to see how inactives and fence sitters would react.

the day was practically over at that point

 

[Ty4on]

How much longer till day end again?

six minutes

 

[heymonkey]

is that how we normally do governors?

I dunno, mine specifically mentions twilight though and I was in PM with Retro since he was overseeing and told me to message him if I was gonna use it in case he missed it. I hope it's not rule-breaking for me to say that.

 

[Sorian]

Not on this page. Your not voting me because voted are tied and you maybe finally get lynched if you vote me right now let's not pretend you haven't spent the majority of two phases sitting on my me

I spent the majority of the last day phase on Dusk so I'll keep "pretending"