karkador
Board Game King
Oh?
Post made 5:56PM EST. Day phase ended 6:00PM EST.
That wasn't your final vote? What were you gonna do in those 4 minutes?
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Oh?
Post made 5:56PM EST. Day phase ended 6:00PM EST.
That wasn't your final vote? What were you gonna do in those 4 minutes?
yes. I put it out there even with that language. I wanted to see if there would be reactions. But the thread is slow except for a few people, and then Blarg started acting erratically.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Oh, well in that case.
His post scream of desperation to me, like someone who was caught and is holding on to any little thread for dear life. He makes occasional contractions that while not huge scum tells themselves, contribute to a player that feels like they are playing by the seat of their pants and the pressure up high. As for the Kawl thing, I didn't nessisarily see the Kawl thing as a scum tell(probably phrased it poorly in my first post), as I said that I agree that lynching an inactive was pure, dumb luck that he was scum. It just seemed that his fixation put him in a bad spot.
karkador
Board Game King
Except this all happened in 4 minutes. Way too much end-of-day chaos to assume any of that.
Also, monkey is lying.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
But it was a lynch that cost town nothing, which is why lynching inactives on day 1 is a very good policy.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So if scum Sorian was dying why aren't scum moving their votes? If monkey is scum why is she moving her vote? There was no chaos outside of Blarg. Scum were happy with the Sorian lynch.
karkador
Board Game King
Where would they move? There was a split between Crimson and nin. The votes all shifted around very close to the end. The only way to ensure nothing bad happened was to use the override.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
But is monkey has to use a scum override why is she moving her vote at all? It makes no sense.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
why does Topo need to drop a vote to make Blargonaut eligible when monkey could've just taken out CF or nin?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I like that Faddy is digging, but I can't help but think of how bussable Kawl was. He was completely afk and likely a liability for them in the future and by far the best player for scum to bus.
It reminds me a bit of pop where two scum bussed a teammate D1 (with quite a good role even) because he was ignoring scum chat and when a wagon formed they panic bussed.
If there's one teammate you bus D1 it's someone who's not helpful and it'll look really bad if you dance around their lynch for a couple of days.
It reminds me a bit of pop where two scum bussed a teammate D1 (with quite a good role even) because he was ignoring scum chat and when a wagon formed they panic bussed.
If there's one teammate you bus D1 it's someone who's not helpful and it'll look really bad if you dance around their lynch for a couple of days.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Yeah that is why monkey as scum doesn't work, it is far too elaborate. Why not just take out nin?
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
If Topo and monkey both have scumvotes and are present couldn't they have swung without an override?
Yeah you posted that as I typed
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I made a post about a scum bus. Dusk Soldier looks like the standout candidate with Worm (Darryl) being the other one.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
What makes you like Sorian?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
How the day 2 vote worked out.
Scum don't lose 2 votes in a row and not to only 4 votes.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Who cares, honestly. Speculating if it's a scum move is a waste of time RN.
karkador
Board Game King
There were/are a number of inactives in the game, and it's not a huge game either.
karkador
Board Game King
It's not plain speculation. Everything about that move is odd. I'm not here to sell you a game balance theory. I don't have the full picture. I'm here to tell you what looks odd and what the logical threads are.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
But you suggest 3 active scum. Why not just pile onto my vote of Crimson?
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
I mean, if I'm scum looking to pull off D2, it makes more sense to me to work the vote to CrimsonFist instead of prepping to blow the override
cabot
Why.
he looked inactive. He posted once. Interesting logic coming from a replacement.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Do you want her lynched today?
karkador
Board Game King
Yes, and a Crimson vote was the way it was looking minutes before the bell. Then things kept changing. How do you coordinate scum in a situation like that?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
They have their own thread where they can plan stuff...
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Before noticed there was no pregame talk I thought his only post was pregame fluff lol
I'm assuming he told scum chat of his role though.
karkador
Board Game King
not enough time
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
But they had time and foresight to plant the vote on Blarg?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Not enough time for what? They can plan things hours or even days ahead of time. It isn't like the votes on Sorian rolled in at the last minute.
karkador
Board Game King
But they did.
Cabot's came in late. Blarg's came in late (though he changed it). That was enough to make a difference.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Kark, assuming you theory is correct, how exactly do you want to go about proving it? Who do you feel should be lynched?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
monkey's vote took crimson out of the lead and made it 3-3-3. Why do that as scum? Then Sorian votes Crimson. If Monkey doesn't move it is 5-4-2 with Crimson in the lead before Blarg's move which would have tied the vote.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Sorian it seems who could be scum or town independently of monkey
Dusk Soldier
Not contagious
The village of the damned?
You keep talking now about this four minute thing like it's some elaborate conspiracy. We had multiple people who hadn't voted yet. We got six votes in the last 8 or so minutes of the game and do I really need to pull evidence to show that last-minute vote flurries are a thing? I had a choice: see if anything happened if I voted nin and change my vote at the last minute at need or use my override. There was no reason to do both.
Here's my grand conspiracy. Kark is making the the lynchpin of this thing but when pressed he continues to chase Sorian. I think it's because if Sorian flips town he can just say I (and Topo, I guess?) were trying to keep Sorian propped up as scum. I have been scum-reading him, so why not? It becomes more reason to say I'm scum to lynch me later. Kark won't move outside this theory. Why not? Why not, unless this or something similar is true?
Who else has a conspiracy theory?
Here's my grand conspiracy. Kark is making the the lynchpin of this thing but when pressed he continues to chase Sorian. I think it's because if Sorian flips town he can just say I (and Topo, I guess?) were trying to keep Sorian propped up as scum. I have been scum-reading him, so why not? It becomes more reason to say I'm scum to lynch me later. Kark won't move outside this theory. Why not? Why not, unless this or something similar is true?
Who else has a conspiracy theory?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
He does it as scum too though
sure was a slow burn on this one, though, huh?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Does this remind you of him in love boat?
He seems more active and aggressive, but he did tunnel in townies there too.
Dusk Soldier
Not contagious
I actually kind of agree with faddy?s point earlier.
How likely is it really that the scum team couldn't coordinate their votes to hit town?
Votes were pretty spread out D2. should have been easy for them to push votes away from any teammates in danger.
How likely is it really that the scum team couldn't coordinate their votes to hit town?
Votes were pretty spread out D2. should have been easy for them to push votes away from any teammates in danger.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
I don't really think Kark tunneling is indicative of his alignment, usually it's more about how crazy his theories are and how far he's willing to go with them.
In this case it's about average.
In this case it's about average.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Ya, I think the crazy theories are more a town tell. Gambits seem more NAI, maybe town doubles down more in them?
I actually legit think Kark is town. That hasn't changed, though the weird focus on mechanics and game balance to create completely out of nowhere conjecture does not feel particularly townie.
IF I wanted to suspect anything, it would have been Sorian swearing up and down that Kark isn't scum, but there's not much reason to assume they're teamed up.
IF I wanted to suspect anything, it would have been Sorian swearing up and down that Kark isn't scum, but there's not much reason to assume they're teamed up.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
Kark has scumteam pegged as Sorian/monkey/Topo|CrimsonFist
If it's a Topo-me-Sorian scum team and we are so coordinated as to spread out votes, please tell me why we wouldn't have just lynched Crimson (it would have fit with what I was saying d1) and not bothered to use my "scum" override?
I think we are most of us barking up totally wrong trees and it's partly because at any given time a third of the game is absent and that throws everything off. Everything.
I think we are most of us barking up totally wrong trees and it's partly because at any given time a third of the game is absent and that throws everything off. Everything.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Not that it really means much at the moment, just a reminder that I replaced CrimsonFist.
If that's to me, I was referring to a possible lynch yesterday, not of you today - whole new ballgame with a replacement in play.
Or is it?
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Not you specifically, just seeing people name drop the guy I replaced and wanted to make sure people knew that, helps keep context.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Speaking if, where is he?
karkador
Board Game King
Flip Sorian first, then monkey. That's why I've held them as #1 and #2.
scumSorian implicates monkey as someone running defense for him, because of the override.
scumMonkey does not implicate Sorian, because Sorian can play it off that he was being framed. He definitely used some words to defend monkey, but no clear action if you do it in this order.
karkador
Board Game King
That was the plan. It almost worked. But the votes on Sorian kept creeping up. You didn't even have a clear idea of who was winning.
Nah, man, it's just that you're wrong. Look, I dunno how much of my PM I'm allowed to reference, but it's not a scum power, I'm not scum, the end. Sorian and Topo could be. But it could also be we are all chasing our own tails here and eating each other.
A+++ gif use tho, Terra.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
:O :O :O :O :O :O
karkador
Board Game King
Is it typical for scum to all vote for the same boat?
haha, it took me a second to understand what you were doing and then I cackled.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ouro stop trying to save your scum team.
How many replacements do we need? Lynch nin then we can get on with the game.
Remember replacement is no guarantee of an active player, just look at crimson.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
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Welp, I can't speak for the rest of the people on team lynchnin, but unless things get swingy or there's some revelation (maybe Ty or Terra has some fresh perspective), I feel okay at this moment on this vote. I'd consider Dusk. I don't particularly want to vote Worm, feps, Faddy, cabot, and probably not Kark or Sorian.
There's too many goddamned unknowns in this game.
There's too many goddamned unknowns in this game.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I'm sad I didn't get to play with squid or Kya. Reading through the start and kinda reading squid to see if he might have flown too close to the sun. That's kinda what got me attacking Kark a bit. His start wasn't good either.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Kinda me being to lazy to look it up more closely, but what is this?
I Ctrl+f'd Kark and couldn't find Sorian making any comment about him.
100% for this always unless it is retroactive because then I couldn't have subbed in LB2 with my homeboy Flush.
Hold on, I got you. There was an extended conversation. Here's part of it - Sorian saying Kark had a lot of adapting to do to be scum. There was at least one other post. Still looking for other.
Hell, I can't find it now, maybe it was Kark who mentioned just having coming off a team with Sorian and not the other way around. But they went back and forth a little on it, sorta talking around each other.
Sorian, when you return: you voted Dusk before. How do you feel about that one now?
Sorian, when you return: you voted Dusk before. How do you feel about that one now?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
This is later, but thanks
aha: http://outermafia.com/index.php?threads/30/page-2#post-594
like I said, it was a whole thing - they went back and forth a bit on it, but it was scattered around.
like I said, it was a whole thing - they went back and forth a bit on it, but it was scattered around.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
Might as well while I'm waiting for Faddy to provide the explanation for his vote and his proof that I looked into Sorian on D2.
Both. I don't think I ever commented on Crimson Fist and I only had a brief altercation on D1 with Sorian. Given that I wasn't too active on D2 I did not look into the former, who had been off my radar completely. Not looking into the latter was due to inactivity and because I didn't want to tunnel on those that I had a brief altercation with on D1.
I briefly looked into some players on D2, I even prepared some comments on you, but decided to scrap this, because I felt I was falling into the common pitfall of tunneling.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
You know you could solve both these issues by reading the game thread. A hardship I know, but a necessary one for playing Mafia.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
"I have the evidence. I can't show it to you. I totally have it though. Go look for it yourself."