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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Role/alignment spoilers:
B-Dubs is going to have so many words with me about his role after the game lol. I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal, just a junky Town role in Role Madness, but he's just been all like "The fuck is this shit?" ever since he saw it lol.
There's actually an even junkier and even more negative utility Town role in the game than his anyways...
There's actually an even junkier and even more negative utility Town role in the game than his anyways...
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I AM SO FUCKING AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That was a reallllllllly fucking terrible EoD. Oh my fucking god I was fucking sweating like "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT? FOR ME TO POST NO ROLE PM RIGHT NOW FOR YOU?"
And they killed fucking KATE MARSH! INNOCENT KATE! THIS IS A DARK TIMELINE GAME NOW!!! WTF!!!
That was a reallllllllly fucking terrible EoD. Oh my fucking god I was fucking sweating like "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT? FOR ME TO POST NO ROLE PM RIGHT NOW FOR YOU?"
And they killed fucking KATE MARSH! INNOCENT KATE! THIS IS A DARK TIMELINE GAME NOW!!! WTF!!!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, I've calmed down now lol.
But really, that was a pretty bad EoD.
Spoilers re: alignments/roles of other players up for the vote today:
But really, that was a pretty bad EoD.
Spoilers re: alignments/roles of other players up for the vote today:
Sparks is Scum, and not only that, but he's their Roleblocker. He got saved, but holy shit, it was so close, and if fucking any of the many "I'm just gunna keep my vote right here on this one person where no one is voting" people would have consolidated, it might have fucked Scum over hard. Either way though, I think Scum could have some heat on them tomorrow because of that shit. There's also an alignment check that could go out tonight on one of these suspicious players from EoD, and Town has a 1-Shot Watcher too, which can be powerful as fuck. Scum has both a GF and a Ninja shot to counter these though.
ALL GOOD PLAYERS SAVE KATE
KATE MUST BE SAVED
Real talk, the Kate divergence is what inspired me to research LiS. I started Before the Storm in honor of this game.
I'm not looking at that and you can't make me.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I did however have a weird dream/idea where players in a game were secretly connected to people in spec chat. If a person in spec chat does a specific action they are known for/a random action, then said player gets a random boost that isn't game breaking but can help their side.
The players know who their spec partner is, but the spec chat doesn't until someone flips.
The players know who their spec partner is, but the spec chat doesn't until someone flips.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ohhh, interesting! I can see why, there's a lot to explore there.
Yay, BtS is great! It doesn't quite have the same overall vibe as the first game did, but the characters and emotional moments are still top tier in my opinion. Also it really fleshes out Chloe's backstory a lot, make sure to read the journal entries and text messages and stuff, though I'm sure I don't have to tell you to do that haha.
Lol that's an interesting idea, can probably never be implemented though
dude, of course I already prowled around looking at everything. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the backtalk mechanic but I like the overall vibe of the game. I've avoided it until now because I struggle with how they'll make it a story worth telling when we already know the ending, but seeing more about Chloe in general so far is worth it to me, and I find it's kinda nice to run into people like Frank and already have a sense of where they end up.
time to read volcano island
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah the only way I could see it being implemented is if the actions required were pretty random ones that could be applied to any spec. chat member that way it doesn't matter who signs up for the chat and game. The Game Runner would just have to make sure there are enough chat. participants.
Edit: spelling mistake.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
What's Volcano Island? XD
It's a Mafia game by Splinter, top 3 craziest ones of the community for sure. The top 3 being probably
Volcano Island
Heroes Vs Villains
Harry Potter
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Well then i will definitely have to add it to my list.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the backtalk stuff much. I think I enjoyed the little things the most in BtS, like the smaller moments instead of the main plot, and then getting more backstory on existing characters was also nice yeah. The new characters they introduce are all pretty good for the most part too.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Hmm, I'm not sure. I suppose you could probably search for them manually, like just google "neogaf + <name of game>" and you should be able to find the thread I would think.
Probably don't click around anywhere else on there though...
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah I'm going to be extra cautious and keep my ad block up at all times ._.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
Could you give me an example of a link that's not working? Because to me they were all fine, I want to see what's wrong with them
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I tried clicking on the game thread of Volcano Island and it redirected me to the Outergafia boards. I was wondering if it was because I don't have an account on there.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
Ah. Retro doesn't have the "outergafia.com" URL anymore, so that's why it didn't work. Using "gafia.boards.net" to access our old forum still works, so I'll edit the URLs for the games that were hosted there (Volcano Island on season 4, MGS on season 3, maybe others I'm forgetting). Thanks for the notice!
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
No problem, I tried looking on gafia.boards.net for a way to access it as well and was having a hard time finding anything.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Oh thanks!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think the tell is what Monkey pointed out earlier:
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Nothing went down. That was the problem.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also, inspired by lokiduck going back and reading old games, I decided to spend some time rereading D1 of GoT tonight so I could reminisce and also laugh at my newbieness.
This was my first post of substance I ever made in a Mafia game:
And then looking back at my mentor chat again, god, Sophia was just on fire with giving me good wisdom in there. Seriously there are some amazingly good posts in there from her. This one is literally the post that like sparked my engine for the first time and got me to stop lurking:
I miss Sophia, it was fun playing with her the one time in Brexit... even though she was Scum and killed me on N1! What the fuck!?!?
Also, I had to pull this quote out of there too just to illustrate to you all how big of a newb I truly was in my first game:
This was my first post of substance I ever made in a Mafia game:
Yeah, the fuck's up with Splinter, huh? Lol :PNewbie Fantomas said:
And then looking back at my mentor chat again, god, Sophia was just on fire with giving me good wisdom in there. Seriously there are some amazingly good posts in there from her. This one is literally the post that like sparked my engine for the first time and got me to stop lurking:
Consider how I usually play, and then read that quote again. Sophia is the one who created me. Lol.Mentor Sophia said:
I miss Sophia, it was fun playing with her the one time in Brexit... even though she was Scum and killed me on N1! What the fuck!?!?
Also, I had to pull this quote out of there too just to illustrate to you all how big of a newb I truly was in my first game:
Newbie Fantomas said:
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I got town read in my very first game because I didn’t know that scum would be allowed to talk privately before the game started lol
....of course I was actually a neutral and completely fucked over Fran on my way to my first win :D
cabot
Why.
nin has been fairly toothless, which i tend to read as scum from him.
His recent defense posts however are more like normal town nin behaviour so I'm not so sure now.
I do however find it interesting that malus is putting doubt on Swamped's Miller claim. She did it about as correctly as you could at this stage.
The only reason to doubt is if you have a PR that makes it unlikely. It's an odd one.
FB I struggle to read most of the times, though I'm not particularly minded to suspect him so far.
cabot
Why.
I was soft confirmed Town in my debut because I made a post containing puns on the role name of the vanilla role. At this point, the standard role PM wasn't posted by the gamerunner and no vanilla had flipped. The only way I could know the role name was by being a vanilla town.
Nailed em.
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Some role spoilers for night actions, no player names again:
So, Scum currently has their 1 Ninja shot down on the Doctor, and they are Roleblocking someone with a Day power.
The 1-Shot Town Watcher, at first, put in a watch on the Roleblocker's target. But just a little bit ago, they switched it to the Doctor, who is being Ninja killed, so they won't learn who killed them. :(
This is what we call "balance" in the game design world lol.
The 1-Shot Town Watcher, at first, put in a watch on the Roleblocker's target. But just a little bit ago, they switched it to the Doctor, who is being Ninja killed, so they won't learn who killed them. :(
This is what we call "balance" in the game design world lol.
I would really question a miller in general (to myself, maybe not in the thread) at some points (they're not super popular here) but I expect, as someone posited in thread, that it's Victoria, if flavor matters. Victoria's thread in the story is the other thing that inspired me to work on this game and it still haunts me.
But malus questioning the miller is also worth a side eye here for sure.
I feel like this very active and sometimes a little directionless nin is how he was in SU - I think it's just kind of new town nin out kicking all the rocks in the field and then kicking them back the other way.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, they planned to use the Ninja shot N1 in one of their first posts in Scum chat.
Player alignment/role spoilers:
Rac is the Watcher, and holy shit his early game instincts are soooooo good! He voted for Sparks, Scum, and then waffled between picking both of Scum's targets on N1 to Watch tonight. God dammit, don't let Rac ever fool you into thinking he sucks at this game, he is verrrrrry good lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
So, the final night actions in case anyone is wondering, no player names, but there are role spoilers:
Scum used a Ninja Kill on the Doctor, and a Roleblock on the Time Rewinder, which is a day ability so it didn't block them.
The Doctor targeted the one Vanilla Town in the game.
The Watcher targeted the Doctor, but didn't see anything because it was a Ninja kill on them. :(
Everyone else with night actions held on to them, including the Serial Killer who did not kill anyone.
The Doctor targeted the one Vanilla Town in the game.
The Watcher targeted the Doctor, but didn't see anything because it was a Ninja kill on them. :(
Everyone else with night actions held on to them, including the Serial Killer who did not kill anyone.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
To add on to this just a little bit as well:
Every active role in the game is X-Shot, so that's why some people are hanging on to their powers. The SK has infinite kill shots though, so I don't know why they decided not to kill tonight. Their win con is essentially to reach endgame, so they might just be trying to keep away from Town roles snooping around on N1, like the Watcher for example. I don't know for sure though.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
There are modifiers that force people to use their actions at night. I don't know if I can really force Scum or a SK to submit their kills though, it's just that one would expect them to do it since it gets them closer to what they need to win the game and not doing so doesn't really help them.
In the case of the SK, one could argue that Scum can do the kills for them, but the SK can't win if Scum reaches a majority, they need there to be one or less town/mafia remaining.
In the case of the SK, one could argue that Scum can do the kills for them, but the SK can't win if Scum reaches a majority, they need there to be one or less town/mafia remaining.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Or, actually:
I can't remember, can this game end with just Scum and SK left? If it were 2 Scum, 1 SK in LyLo, then the Mafia would have obtained a majority at the start of the day still since the SK didn't kill one that night, right?
That stuff confused me in review, I really hope we don't get there lol.
That stuff confused me in review, I really hope we don't get there lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, when I sent him a PM just now asking if he wanted Spec I told him "Sorry you're back to dying on N1 now :("
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
The SK wins if they are alive in final 2 with either town or mafia. Or in a final 3 with 1 town and 1 mafia. In a final 3 with 2 mafia, the mafia win. In a final 3 with 2 town the game continues.
Mafia need a majority to win the game so the SK not shooting is also bad for them.
Mafia need a majority to win the game so the SK not shooting is also bad for them.
Verelios
Were-elios
It does check out timing wise. He was interested in a Nin lunch and had previously talked about ties. But is he sincere?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I was pretty sure you were going to die after EoD. It is Simon Says all over again.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
You and bear should be given a immortal until d4 voucher
Verelios
Were-elios
And a national treasure was lost.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
We have perfect knowledge and I'm not sure I agree here. No shooting once is probably bad since it dealys their win con an extra phase but that requires some luck as well. They could shoot for the first 4 days and be left against 2 town in the final 3 and still lose.
But now they have holstered once they can/should do it again. 2 deaths, 3 deaths, 2 deaths, 3 deaths. Leaves 5 players. Only 1 mafia needs to be dead in those 10 for the SK to be at a huge advantage in a 2 v 2 v 1 game. 5 alive is better than 4 for them.
But now they have holstered once they can/should do it again. 2 deaths, 3 deaths, 2 deaths, 3 deaths. Leaves 5 players. Only 1 mafia needs to be dead in those 10 for the SK to be at a huge advantage in a 2 v 2 v 1 game. 5 alive is better than 4 for them.
I was thinking 1 time there would be a no lynch, the player would use their ability
Fanto
Confirmed Town
It doesn't do a No Lynch. It will reset the vote tool to zero, but the day will continue.
Basically I'm going to do "Day X Ends" and then right away post "Day X.5 Begins" so that the votes are cleared.
Basically I'm going to do "Day X Ends" and then right away post "Day X.5 Begins" so that the votes are cleared.
Wait the rewinder? In the review I thought it ended the day since that's what it says, pretty useless role then since it's just a day extender
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yep. I don't know if I picked a bad day start time, or if people are just busy, or what. But it seems like activity kind of comes and goes in waves in this game, it was kind of the same way in the Steven Universe game.
I suppose it's what happens when you don't have Monkey, or Me, or Sorian, or another super active poster in the game?
Steven Universe's final post count was normal for it's size I'd say. But yeah very active posters bring activity because they talk a lot, but activity usually also comes from mechanics talk, this game has none so there's not much to talk about in regards to that. Games like HVV and VI had mechanics talk and that's why they have such high post counts.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
That's what we were having it do at first, yeah, but we ended up changing it later in review based on Faddy's idea. And it doesn't extend the day, it will still end at the same time. And they can't use the power less than one hour before EoD.
Basically, the idea of it is that it can stop a bullshit vote from happening and make people reassess. If used when they are in the vote lead, it can be used to stop them from getting voted since it's a public command and is very likely a Town role. They could then look at who had the scummy votes down, and try to take a look there for a new target. Or make Scum sweat if used closer to EoD when they had their comfy votes down all day.
There is some strategy to how to use it I think.
Basically, the idea of it is that it can stop a bullshit vote from happening and make people reassess. If used when they are in the vote lead, it can be used to stop them from getting voted since it's a public command and is very likely a Town role. They could then look at who had the scummy votes down, and try to take a look there for a new target. Or make Scum sweat if used closer to EoD when they had their comfy votes down all day.
There is some strategy to how to use it I think.
Verelios
Were-elios
So basically an IC type of situation?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Kind of, yeah. It will essentially confirm the player as Max with a public command, and it also has an effect on the day by wiping out the votes. They would basically become Confirmed Town from using it while also hopefully being able to help lead Town in the right direction at the same time.
I see, it's been a while since the review so I forgot the change, my bad
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Spoilers for Kits:
I think she's going to go for a gambit today involving her Snitch role. It's a super anti-Town role that I really think I probably shouldn't have put in the game, it basically gives a Role Cop shot to whoever kills her at night. On paper it seemed like a good way to help Scum if they were just getting ridiculously rolled in the early game, which is entirely possible in this setup. In reality though, kind of a mean role, and probably not very fun to play.
I feel bad about it because she's essentially going to try to get herself lynched I think, but hopefully get some reactions in the process. We'll see what happens though.
I feel bad about it because she's essentially going to try to get herself lynched I think, but hopefully get some reactions in the process. We'll see what happens though.
Thank you! I'm reading through Monkey's game now, and then I'll start reading LiS :D
Just today I actually went back to LiS and finally got through the first chapter after starting it all those years ago. I just finished the second.
Chloe is so freaking annoying lmao
Everyone but Max herself is annoying so far, actually. I was gonna complain about Kate as well, but then that happened u.u
Everyone but Max herself is annoying so far, actually. I was gonna complain about Kate as well, but then that happened u.u
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I take it back, get out of here lol. <3
And how could you complain about Kate too? And what do you mean "that"? Are you telling me you didn't save her?
And how could you complain about Kate too? And what do you mean "that"? Are you telling me you didn't save her?
Anyways, yeah, Monkey's game was good, there were some pretty good twists. Looking forward to any hot takes you have about this one once you get caught up. :)