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Prisoner

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I don't really disagree, just wanted to hear you voice it a bit. So, right now the people that are 2nd voters are Banana and Dracula. How do you feel about those two overall especially considering those votes don't feel overly serious?
Bananas vote is okay I think. It is clear it's a joke vote and I expect it to change or be supported by actual arguments. Draculas vote is also in the same direction, but it leaves itself some room to come back to the same argument, should the first voter insist on his reasoning.
 

Prisoner

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No conclusion needs to be achieved for some things to be called noteworthy. This is one of those things - something that could go either way with more data and time. Pressure was applied and a player was bent, or the player got bored. Which one, I do not know yet.
That's just letting hindsight bias do all the work.
 

Clown

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I'm really not a fan of this quote. You're basically saying you're going to construct this argument depending on what you need at the moment.

I do not see how you can think I am saying that. All I am saying that I don't know yet which way to conclusively call it.
 

Baby

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I do not see how you can think I am saying that. All I am saying that I don't know yet which way to conclusively call it.

Well, can you explain it in a bit more depth? What could dropping the accent mean besides just the amount of effort it probably takes to put z's all over every post?
 

Prisoner

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I do not see how you can think I am saying that. All I am saying that I don't know yet which way to conclusively call it.
What you're saying is that if you're going to Scum read Dracula you're going to say he bowed to pressure and if you're going to Town read him he got bored with the accent. That's pretty much calling it NAI.
 

Clown

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Well, can you explain it in a bit more depth? What could dropping the accent mean besides just the amount of effort it probably takes to put z's all over every post?

What you're saying is that if you're going to Scum read Dracula you're going to say he bowed to pressure and if you're going to Town read him he got bored with the accent. That's pretty much calling it NAI.

There was slight disdain about his roleplaying. He stopped roleplaying. This change was more interesting than his vote was. This is all I am saying.
 

Witch

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Looking back on those posts, I'm not sure Dracula was all that pressured to drop the accent.
 

Cereal Killer

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I"m not worried about the accent. It's hard to keep something like that up honestly. The rest, sure, actually something there maybe
 

Jack Sparrow

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Jack Sparrow - First slightly suspicious of Dracula on an early early read but then comes in to defend after Dracula takes some heat. Seems too obvious of a team play but keeping an eye on it.
Eh I don’t agree with this sure I was a little sus but I said I didn’t really read much into it and I think the “slip up” and the accent drop don’t really hold much weight.
But @Zombie could you clarify how you would investigate Dracula’s post? You’ve been quiet so far.
 

Jack Sparrow

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I'm not going to comment on every single little thing on D1...come on people. I came in, saw something that was interesting and commented on it, I don't have time to be on the PC 24/7.
This is quite the hostile response to someone saying you popped into the thread to comment a few things and dip.
 

Clown

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You think they dropped it because of pressure?

I am against concluding that at this point.

Looking back on those posts, I'm not sure Dracula was all that pressured to drop the accent.

It was very minor indeed. Back to my original point - still more noteworthy IMO than his vote was. It was a change in behaviour and I took note of it, stopped there because there really is no reason go further on the matter right now. That is all.
 

Minecraft Steve

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@Clown, I liked how @Banana responded In posts246 and 252. Just read as town for me based on those. It’s day 1, I’m probably wrong but for the day, baring banana coming out and saying they are scum, I’m ok with not voting them/calling them more town than others
 

Bob Ross

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This is quite the hostile response to someone saying you popped into the thread to comment a few things and dip.
DT has been on mine and other player's activities since the game started, it got old and it's fake scumhunting, we're barely 24h in.
 

Zombie

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This comment seems a little over the top, like trying to blow Drac's post out of proportion. Not sure I like these vibes.

I think out of all these responses I like Bob Ross and Zombie's the least.

Weird deflecting after the fact. Trying to change the conversation. It looked suspect. Pings scum radar hard. Especially when everything before it was mostly noise.

Curious about the defense force for him. Wanted to wait a bit before dropping a vote because it very well could be nothing. Defense force jumping in to say it's actually nothing about a pretty scummy comment makes me wonder if they know how he'll flip.
 

Zombie

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Dracula dropping the writing style does not matter. Irrelevant and noisy. Probably just got old. It's NAI.
 

Cinderella

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Weird deflecting after the fact. Trying to change the conversation. It looked suspect. Pings scum radar hard. Especially when everything before it was mostly noise.

Curious about the defense force for him. Wanted to wait a bit before dropping a vote because it very well could be nothing. Defense force jumping in to say it's actually nothing about a pretty scummy comment makes me wonder if they know how he'll flip.
Your post was pretty extreme, it isn’t that scummy a comment at all
 

Zombie

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Your post was pretty extreme, it isn’t that scummy a comment at all

Extreme? How? He gets called on it and spends his next couple of posts trying to change the subject. It's pretty suspect. Never seen town just assume the amount of scum on day 1 that confidently.
 

Cinderella

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Extreme? How? He gets called on it and spends his next couple of posts trying to change the subject. It's pretty suspect. Never seen town just assume the amount of scum on day 1 that confidently.
Hmm I’ve read back and Dracula hasnt addressed this.

@Dracula Why’d you say there were 4 scum?
 

Bob Ross

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I never forgot, if Dracula isn't scum I'll be surprised, the post felt completely natural, he didn't say he assumed the number, straight up gave the number 4. When you don't want people to think you made a slip you say you are guessing.
 

Clown

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Extreme? How? He gets called on it and spends his next couple of posts trying to change the subject. It's pretty suspect. Never seen town just assume the amount of scum on day 1 that confidently.

What's your thought here, why does scum!Dracula post the size of his team in the public like that without care? A mistake in the heat of the moment?
 

Cereal Killer

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Yeah, I think it could be a mistake, people do slip sometimes but it's worth watching Drac and not just deciding right now.
 

Cinderella

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I think assuming that there are 4 scum, even nonchalantly is NAI as that’s pretty standard.But if that was the case here why didnt Dracula just say that afterwards, thats what makes them look scummy IMO
 

Zombie

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What's your thought here, why does scum!Dracula post the size of his team in the public like that without care? A mistake in the heat of the moment?

Mistake. Assuming he just wasn't thinking about it. It happens
 

Clown

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The guess itself, not feeling the evil in it. Four is perfectly reasonable. Not explaining it though, well, certainly a bad choice as we see here right now. I'm assuming this is a case of a ill-timed joke on his part, but it's worth hearing it from Dracula himself.
 

Cinderella

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The guess itself, not feeling the evil in it. Four is perfectly reasonable. Not explaining it though, well, certainly a bad choice as we see here right now. I'm assuming this is a case of a ill-timed joke on his part, but it's worth hearing it from Dracula himself.
Lol this is pretty much what I posted :pikathink:
 

Witch

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The guess itself, not feeling the evil in it. Four is perfectly reasonable. Not explaining it though, well, certainly a bad choice as we see here right now. I'm assuming this is a case of a ill-timed joke on his part, but it's worth hearing it from Dracula himself.

He did explain fwiw:

I don't understand what I'd be deflecting, it was a joke post. My sporadic activity? It's forum mafia, people leave the computer to do things for a few hours.
 

Clown

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Lol this is pretty much what I posted :pikathink:

Is it? I really should word myself better then, damn it. I took your post to mean that you think that Dracula not explaining himself was scummy, whereas I tried to say that the joke was a bad thing to say because people usually latch onto things like that. I don't think it was scummy, but I know, from experience, that jokes like that can get you killed. They are fun as hell to say but man do people see demons everywhere.

And Witch is correct, the chain is there, I missed it too because it was in response to Banana who responded to Dracula combining two posts to respond to CK - one of which was the numbers comment.
 

Banana

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For me with Dracula the first post concerning that felt like a deflection and before saying it was a joke post. Like his first instinct was to try to turn it on someone else rather than defend his statement.
 

Witch

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@Bob Ross There are a few players who think you are a good lynch candidate for today, and you haven't really addressed them. Do you have any thoughts or better choices on who we should lynch?

For me with Dracula the first post concerning that felt like a deflection and before saying it was a joke post. Like his first instinct was to try to turn it on someone else rather than defend his statement.
Could just as well be a town annoyed with suspicions over a throwaway vote.
 

Cereal Killer

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Drac’s post was a joke but it isn’t the joke. It’s the number. It’s so specific and it wasn’t offered as a guess, like someone said before.
 

Dracula

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Yeah, that definitely felt weird to me. I think a lot of people are just getting into their character, like Dany and the visions and it doesn't feel like it's worth holding over someone's head that they didn't stick to an accent. It feels like a weird setup for later
That's just letting hindsight bias do all the work.

These pushes on clown seem more like people trying to fabricate a reason to place a vote, I seriously don't understand how his comments are scum POV, esp. considering his lack of opportunistic vote followup to his suspicions.
 

Dracula

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Weird deflecting after the fact. Trying to change the conversation. It looked suspect. Pings scum radar hard. Especially when everything before it was mostly noise.

Curious about the defense force for him. Wanted to wait a bit before dropping a vote because it very well could be nothing. Defense force jumping in to say it's actually nothing about a pretty scummy comment makes me wonder if they know how he'll flip.

I wasn't attempting to deflect discussion away from the number I'd posted, I just didn't even realize people were considering that a slip. I thought he was attacking me because I had claimed scum as a joke, FMPOV at the time it seemed like a scummy progression from the early OMGUS pressure he was applying to me
 

Dracula

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Drac’s post was a joke but it isn’t the joke. It’s the number. It’s so specific and it wasn’t offered as a guess, like someone said before.

Just to put this to bed and give you a little insight into my mind: standard game size is Player Count = (Number of mafia x 4) + 1 . We have 18 players, so 4 is the closest spitball to a balanced setup (4 mafia x 4 = 16 + 1 = 17, one number off of participants in this game), and I usually assume these numbers when I'm thinking about closed setups.
 

Dracula

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I wasn't attempting to deflect discussion away from the number I'd posted, I just didn't even realize people were considering that a slip. I thought he was attacking me because I had claimed scum as a joke, FMPOV at the time it seemed like a scummy progression from the early OMGUS pressure he was applying to me
EBWOP: She*

Mb. So hard with aliases.
 

Cereal Killer

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Interesting that a lot of people were on the Drac thing but didn't vote there even as prod

vote: Barack Obama
please know it isn't personal, Mr. President but I expect more from you
 

Zombie

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Interesting that a lot of people were on the Drac thing but didn't vote there even as prod

vote: Barack Obama
please know it isn't personal, Mr. President but I expect more from you

Wanted more before I did. Liked that he addressed it, but not convinced.

Vote: Dracula
 

Witch

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I’m not sure what people expected to hear. Either Dracula made an assumption or he actually knows how many scum there are. It doesn’t seem like any kind of reasoning behind the assumption would’ve convinced anyone who thinks it’s scum.

It looks like a pretty weak stance when you’re banging the scum drum and don’t put a vote down, Zombie. Like maybe you don’t actually believe what you’re saying.
 

Baby

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Dracula feels like an easy target for town to get led into by Scum, especially on Day 1 when people aren't able to look too deeply. It's all noise that is so NAI, I don't like it.

Vote: Zombie
 

Banana

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I’m not sure what people expected to hear. Either Dracula made an assumption or he actually knows how many scum there are. It doesn’t seem like any kind of reasoning behind the assumption would’ve convinced anyone who thinks it’s scum.

To me it was more of the reaction than the actual statement. Dracula did not act in a way that I would think someone who is town would react. Maybe you believe that's a weak reason and I would just say it's Day 1 and you're only going to get weak reasons and it's personally the best avenue to go down for right now. Maybe things will happen in the next 20 hours to change the equation, we'll just have to see.
 

Spider-Man

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Spider-Man

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Bah, guess I'm going to have to take my vote off CK... There are some others that I have real reasons to scum read (well as real as I can on D1)
 

Daenerys Targaryen

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I tried to look at what Banana had said to figure out whether or not their intentions were good. This conversation with Cinderella about a misunderstanding of who said what gave the biggest impression.
Wait, it's "gamesolving" to throw out that Cereal Killer = Serial Killer? That's like lowest effort possible to make that connection/joke, that's not actually trying to do any solving.
So after going back through the thread (man, I am really missing the Who Replied setting), I am even more confused by your previous comment that "Dany is concerned about Cereal" comment. Here is the basic jist of that "conversation":




Spidey throws out the vote and Dany just says its not that obvious. There is a little suspicion thrown at Spidey about just throwing out the vote like that but that's pretty much the extent of it. Were you getting your scum chat conversations mixed up perhaps?

As to your question to me, I have said that both Dany and Rey are on my list of possibles in that I don't think both are scum but I would not be surprised at all if one of them are. I would lean a little more towards Rey in that respect but not to an overwhelming degree.
This shows some level of curiosity which is good. There isn’t a clear way to make that advantageous for the evils and the desire to figure it out lines up with the motives of the good guys.

I was worried by the reads Banana made since he seems to single out active players, but I can see that being because he doesn’t have much to go on and it’s early.
 

Spider-Man

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I'm scum leaning on Bob Ross and Zombie currently. Bob Ross seems overly defensive and Zombie is making hyperbolic statements that feel scum like to me, like he's overdoing it with his town POV.

On the surface level something feels off to me about Baby too, but I'd have to look at that more closely. Baby seems to be poking everyone and asking questions, but it doesn't feel like the questioning has much depth. Kinda reads like busy work.
 

Spider-Man

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Huh, kinda surprised Bob Ross only has one vote... It felt like a lot of people were on his ass.

VOTE: Bob Ross
 

Spider-Man

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Whoops didn’t realise things had started so quickly. I think Dany’s initial concern about Cereal Killer makes them look more town to me, because there was some gamesolving effort there. They were also a little snappy afterwards, and I don’t think scum would want to draw that much attention to themselves just yet.
LOL yah that was my brilliant mind, not Dany. But when was I snappy?
 

Witch

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To me it was more of the reaction than the actual statement. Dracula did not act in a way that I would think someone who is town would react. Maybe you believe that's a weak reason and I would just say it's Day 1 and you're only going to get weak reasons and it's personally the best avenue to go down for right now. Maybe things will happen in the next 20 hours to change the equation, we'll just have to see.
Sorry, I failed to tie my point back to Zombie suddenly putting a vote down with very light prodding from CK. That was part of the issue.

I agree with your overall point. I’ve been content with letting people explore Dracula and try to facilitate that, provide information where necessary, even if I believe the Dracula situation is everyone jumping at shadows. My reasoning for taking issue with yourself or Bob Ross or even Zombie now is built on a whole lot less.
 

Rey

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Speculating on the amount of scum in the game

not sure if what he's saying make exact sense, he is spitballing after all.

I'm leaning defensive scum for now
 

Cereal Killer

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On the surface level something feels off to me about Baby too, but I'd have to look at that more closely. Baby seems to be poking everyone and asking questions, but it doesn't feel like the questioning has much depth. Kinda reads like busy work.
I was feeling like there was something up with Baby. It felt like she was a lot more present than she actually was when I went back through the thread.
 

Cereal Killer

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Sorry, I failed to tie my point back to Zombie suddenly putting a vote down with very light prodding from CK. That was part of the issue.

I agree with your overall point. I’ve been content with letting people explore Dracula and try to facilitate that, provide information where necessary, even if I believe the Dracula situation is everyone jumping at shadows. My reasoning for taking issue with yourself or Bob Ross or even Zombie now is built on a whole lot less.
Zombie also appeared earlier after a couple ppl in a row talked about how there was no Zombie in the thread so that's maybe two sus reactions.

Let me ask you: is Rey low hanging fruit or would you bother there
 

Witch

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Zombie also appeared earlier after a couple ppl in a row talked about how there was no Zombie in the thread so that's maybe two sus reactions.

Let me ask you: is Rey low hanging fruit or would you bother there
You’re right on Zombie there.

As for Rey, I’m leaning town with him. That might not be what you’re looking to hear, but I think his posting is too erratic to be scum. Town as a whole have made enough of a fuss about him that scum would probably keep him alive so we have to eventually lynch him, though. That’s not a bridge I’m ready to cross yet.
 

Rey

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You'll have to excuse me, my brain was hotfucked and now I remember only about the psychic vision

Forgot about baby and didn't realized zombie started to poasted :pikathink:
 

Baby

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Zombie also appeared earlier after a couple ppl in a row talked about how there was no Zombie in the thread so that's maybe two sus reactions.

Let me ask you: is Rey low hanging fruit or would you bother there

Not directed at me, but I'll answer too. I think Rey's town honestly. A bit odd, but he seemed pretty convinced that there was more to the visions and I don't see scum really making that mistake repeatedly. I feel like someone would correct him in Scum chat as it stands out a bit
 

Cereal Killer

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You’re right on Zombie there.

As for Rey, I’m leaning town with him. That might not be what you’re looking to hear, but I think his posting is too erratic to be scum. Town as a whole have made enough of a fuss about him that scum would probably keep him alive so we have to eventually lynch him, though. That’s not a bridge I’m ready to cross yet.
What i wanted to hear was your opinion, that's all.
 

Zombie

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Zombie also appeared earlier after a couple ppl in a row talked about how there was no Zombie in the thread so that's maybe two sus reactions.

Let me ask you: is Rey low hanging fruit or would you bother there

Other option was to what? Not post in thread?
 

Rey

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@Zombie

My man slow your roll

You be russling scum's jimmies with hot fire

Slow your roll, remember everything, and start scum hunting
 

Zombie

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I got nothing to add, I could bullshit my way around on "sick-reads" and "wild theories" but I'm happy just reading everyone's interactions for now, since I can smell the desperations from here.

This how you approach day 1s typically? You plan on voting?
 

Rey

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hmmmm

This interaction between Barney and Zombie......seems a bit off.....and Barney wants to be lunched?

is this breadcrumbing to a lunch bomb? But what would zombie produce to be alive on day 2?

If this is not forced or anything then :pikathink:
 
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