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cabot

Why.
This day phase has been really light on meaningful content.

All this hullabaloo about nin when it can be ignored and moved on from isn't helping.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Fun scum team this game. Obviously won’t say more until spoilers are out.
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Okay its not even past day 1 and thats like the 6th joke at my expense fuck these people they dont deserve to be in the EU
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
First of all, BEST GAME I’VE PLAYED SO FAR AND IT WAS ONLY ONE DAY AND NIGHT!

I am positive that I solved the game last night. No need to tell me if I was right or not Cabot/ET, it will become clear when all of my top scum reads flip Scum in the coming days.

Now, this was my pre-typed intro post for today, and I am not letting it go to waste:

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Hello!

I have three things that I would like to say.

1.
Extreme Tactician:

ET, bro, fool me once in GoT, but you will never fool me twice. Never! You didn’t even get to post in the thread for 12 hours before I called you out as Scum, lol! Sorry, man. Good luck next time.

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2.
I have some info to share with you all:

I was invited to a private night chat. I received a PM about it when the day ended. Zeke was also invited to this private chat. We do not know who invited us.

It is possible that he is lying, but I do not believe Zeke is lying about not inviting me to it based on how things played out when we first got in there and the timing of our posts as we both realized that the other one hadn’t invited us. And again, although it is a possibility, I also do not believe it was Scum who put us in there together because I do not see what benefit that has for them.

We had a very good discussion during the night phase about our reads and various players/posts. We came to a lot of similar conclusions on players, though we have our disagreements as well, I can still see where he is coming from. Overall, it was a very productive night chat in my opinion.

3.
My Top Scum Read right now is Stuart444.

There are many, many things that can be pointed out about Stuart on D1 with the added knowledge that ET was Scum. Besides his odd defensiveness and self-conscious attitude displayed in some of his posts, Stuart was always questioning the Scum reads on ET and trying hard to get people to look elsewhere, as early as when I first called ET my top Scum read (see post #337).

During the EoD period, there were, by my count, 17 posts from Stuart that were either directly questioning people’s votes on ET, shading people who were voting ET, outright defending ET, or trying to make CS seem like the better lynch only because he was there. I won’t quote them all directly because it would make this post enormous, but they are these posts:

#753, #786, #924, #936, #941, #942, #953, #964, #978, #983, #985, #994, #1006, #1011, #1026, #1029, #1050.

I will be back with my full read list from the night chat in my next post. But for now:

Vote: Stuart444
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
And my full read list, which Zeke will be paraphrasing in the thread:

Scummy:
Stuart444 - His defensive nature is a red flag to me, regardless of whether or not he wants to pre-empt his defensiveness with more defensiveness about how he plays. Also, there were a slew of posts he made at EoD that were just outright defending ET or trying to get people to vote for CS instead. Top Scum read.
Kalor - Definition of a lurker. There's been a few times where he popped in at spots where it was like, dude, you haven't made a post in hours but suddenly you are like right in the middle of this conversation? Also had a weird slip vote for CS, felt like it might have been a vote that was ready to save ET if need be.
melonrabbit – At times she has felt like Town-Melon to me, but her vote is what is really giving me concerns. She said she would have voted ET over Grizz and that she didn’t want CS in post #880. However, when presented with ET vs. CS, she waits, waits, waits, then goes CS. Not a good look to me, pretty scummy vote.

Slightly Scummy:

Gorlak - Some of his pushes have felt really fake, especially on Faddy, and he's backed down from them. Also, he's aggressive, but not in the way that FlatEarthPandas was when he was Town in GoT, he reminds me more of Scum Brazil in Kingdom Hearts.
Grizzly - He wasn't around a whole lot, and he did feel kind of apologetic, so I don't want to be too rough on him. However, there were some posts that felt scummy, so I can't just let it past.
empressdonna - There were some posts later in the day that made me feel better about her, but there are enough things I feel like I could point to that make her seem scummy to me still.
gir - My #SickRead about his post about melon's and my avatar aside, there's been some odd stuff from him. He went ET in the end today, and he had a scum read on him before, but I've never played with this guy, and I could see him being a good scum player, so I have my eye on him.

Null:
absolutbro - Didn't get much out of him on D1. Looking forward to hearing more.
Alexem - Could make a case either way probably. He's had some decent towny thoughts, but some suspect posts here and there too. Said he wanted Grizz over ET because he couldn’t justify a vote on ET in post #930, but then voted ET? Strange.
Giant Panda – The timing on his CS vote was suspect to me. He told me he agreed with my meta read on ET and that he wasn't a bad choice, but kept his vote on CS. Seems like he's setting himself up to be able to get a pass for not voting for him maybe? Otherwise though, he was on to Stu early, so I have good thoughts too.
DCPat - There were a couple posts he made that reminded me of my scum-mate from last game, Ketkat. However, as time went on, I never got those feelings again, so he's mainly just null now. Also voted ET.

Slightly Towny:
Z-Beat - Spectated him in KH where he was Town and he seems the same for the most part. Also, I'm friends with him outside the game, so just on a higher-level meta read, he doesn't feel fake, it feels like the Z-Beat I know.
Sophia - I hesitate on this because she went CS and was kind of weird at times about ET. However, she was my mentor in my first game, she literally taught me how to play the game, and from what I can tell, she is basically doing the things she taught me to do as Town, so I have trouble scum reading her intentions.
EzekelRAGE – It’s mainly a meta thing. He’s doing his thing that I've seen him do before for the most part. And just from the night chat we had, and how he was reading people, he’s definitely leaning in the Town direction pretty good. Wouldn't be shocked if he turned out to be a Neutral, but I don't see him as Mafia though.
B-Dubs - Yeah, I have the Slip™ read on him, and I'll stand by that as being a possible slip unless he dies and proves me otherwise. But, content of his posts following all of that felt good to me for the most part. He also voted ET, and it didn't feel bussy, he did it early enough that he could have easily voted elsewhere still if he were his team-mate.
CoolestSpot - As I said in the game thread, this all felt like a typical Town-CS gambit that almost hurt us, but luckily we got Scum-ET with the lynch in the end instead. Hopefully he can continue to be a source of comic relief but also settle down with the gambits so people don't get too distracted by trying to read him.

Towny:
nin - I love Nin in this game so far. If he's Scum it will break my heart. He was calling ET out way back when I was, even before, so his feelings were always known on him, and he always put him in his scum list. He seemed to be on to Grizz, and I'd imagine if Grizz was around more he would have stuck to that. I don't read too much into him picking CS over ET, he truly seemed fine with either.
turmoil7 - Reading through the thread, this guy is just Town as fuck to me honestly. I don't see how anyone could scum read him. His vote on ET was really good too, called him out for not pushing on anyone, and it was before ET himself admitted that he had no scum reads.
Faddy - Overall, I don't think a Scum-Faddy would be able to pull off a bus job on ET like that for so long without ever moving his vote. Me and him had the longest standing votes on ET and rallied the shit out of people to come aboard that train. He's Town.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
nin said:
Fantos reads are kinda in depth and hard to emulate.
This is why I'm hoping Zeke paraphrases them using as many of my words as possible but without copy/pasting since Cabot said we couldn't copy/paste each other's reads.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Also, now that I think about it, I'm 100% positive Melon is Scum. She would totally be begging her teammates to shoot me N1 after what I did to her in Conspiracy, regardless of the possibility of me being protected.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Stuart444 said:
And now instead of getting that read list, you're continuing to reply to people in here. Yeah lol.
As if he can't have one tab open, paraphrasing my reads, and another open checking the thread, especially for people quoting him? Lmao. Stu, you are so Scum.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I don't like that post from B-Dubs. It's like he's using my list as a way to justify his reads to the thread or something. Also, how you gunna argue with my Scum read on Melon when I ain't even there to defend it, bro! Lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Zeke said:
For those that are trying to use me listing et as least scummy. That was out of like 7 ppl gir gave me to order.
Yeah, I noticed this post of his when I was looking back on him the other night, but I didn't scum read it. I knew someone would try to though, cuz it's an easy one. What I took from it is that, of those people, Zeke could find ways to scum read them more than ET, because most of the scum read on ET was the usual D1 stuff like sick meta reads and being too fluffy.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Grizz going and analyzing the way the votes rolled in the same way I did during the night chat, and coming to a lot of the same conclusions, is making me feel good about him here.

I also admit that Grizz could totally be a master level Scum player though lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
The fact that I've heard that Scum-Grizz is apparently a professional bus driver, and that most of his vote analysis here comes down to "Oooh, look at this spot, that's a good spot for a bus vote" is so funny to me lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Stu just left out the post where Zeke explained on D1, to Stu even, why he wanted to vote for B-Dubs overall. #516
Zeke said:
Didn’t realize Gotland had a vote on dubs at the time. I read that post of gorlak heavily defending dubs as weird. That coupled with the overreaction to fan slip theory. I voted dubs.

*shrug*
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
If someone who knows would want to spoiler tag the PRs in this game on both Town and Scum for me, I would appreciate that. I don't want to know who the players that have them are, just what the non Vanilla/Goon roles are.

Especially the one that put me and Zeke in that chat. Details on that one please.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, not gunna lie, I'm pretty sure me and Zeke talked each other into having this mindset about Stu going into today:

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Fanto

Confirmed Town
Just catching up now, super glad that Zeke copied more our of our chat than just my list. He just put down my extra thoughts on Melon that I put in another post, so I'm hoping he has other posts of mine from in there ready to paraphrase and share too.

Fantos already got his vindication cup ready and is waiting for it to spill.
Such a hot steamy cup of vindication.

I'm still catching up. Lots of posts overnight
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Cabot, do you think you could spoiler tag the power roles in this game? I don't want to know the players, just the non Vanilla/Goon roles on Town/Scum. Details on the one that put me and Zeke in the chat.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
gir said:
On the fanto NK, no surprise for me. Fanto was townread by most, was doubtful that they would have been a lynch target possibly at all, plus they were an active and strongy town voice. Scum hate that
Is this just my life in Mafia now? I'm so strong on D1 that Scum just kill me N1 now? I'm going to need a plan moving forward to keep Scum from shooting me N1.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
So, going back on what's happened since I went to bed.

I'm liking Turmoil as one of my top Towns still. He was the first to go back and bring up that post from Melon that I pointed out in the night chat to Zeke. Melon's response? Weak.

Gorlak is looking Town to me now too, assuming I am right about Stu and Melon (and I am). There was a spot where Gorlak was calling out Stu on D1 too. Gorlak + Grizz as Town would be strong.

Feeling weirder about Sophia. I'll be hurt on a deep level if I'm looking at my mentor's Scum game right now lol because it seems Towny to me.

Nin is getting sidetracked easily, he's too confident, needs to settle down and re-evaluate. He could use a reread of D1 I think.

Melon trying to pull a "Cease this" on Gorlak? Get out of here! I already made that Box Peek reference to you pre-game when we were shitposting, girl, don't try to attribute it to Stu, your Scum partner, in your explanation! Unless he made the same joke in Scum Chat? And then in the same post she pulls a Zeke *shrug*? Get your own material, Scum!

Melon's behavior is just weird in general. She purposely misconstrued Nin's post about her hiding something and hints that he might be a Cop. She also is giving Stu a pass for his emotional/defensive behavior, but when I was like that last game? She infinitely scum reads me for it.

I like Nin's read on Donna + ET. Gorlak's analysis seems good too.

Gorlak switching his vote back to Sophia after Melon starts acting weird though? Don't like that. What happened to "We must maintain the pressure!!!!!"

Gorlak said:
empressdonna Where did you get the thought that ET is busy with rl? He never said as much in the game?
Nin said:
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
Zeke said:
Or someone threw the excuse of scum wouldn’t defend scum like that, so no way he can be scum.
This is why I wish I was still playing the game. I have examples from last game of multiple times that Nin straight up blatantly defended me, his Scum partner, at EoD nonetheless, even though he was scum reading me!

Occam's Razor is in full effect here in my opinion. What is more likely, that Town-Stuart randomly made 17 EoD posts trying to keep ET alive in every imaginable way, or that he's Scum trying to defend his partner from being lynched on D1 because that is really bad for their team?

Stuart is Scum.
 

cabot

Why.
You can be a good player and live long. Depends on others doing mad distracting shenanigans or you being good and also very wrong.


As for roles.

Town:
Doctor
Backfire Override
Sleepwalker
Tracker
Ability Thief
Vengeful

Scum:
Ninja
Odd Day Matchmaker (made your chat)
Roleblocker

Neutral:
Mentor
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
You can be a good player and live long. Depends on others doing mad distracting shenanigans or you being good and also very wrong.


As for roles.

Town:
Doctor
Backfire Override
Sleepwalker
Tracker
Ability Thief
Vengeful

Scum:
Ninja
Odd Day Matchmaker (made your chat)
Roleblocker

Neutral:
Mentor
A few questions:

Who did the Doctor protect N1 if not me?

Backfire Override?

Sleepwalker?

So, Scum were the ones who put us together. Interesting. What is the use of that? Were they able to read our chat?

Is Zeke the Neutral?
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Speculation concerning roles and stuff:

So if Scum put me and Zeke together, the only way that role is useful to them is if they can read the chat as well. This makes me even more confident that I solved the game last night with Zeke. Zeke is naturally sketchy, so they figure he could get lynched for his association with me. This makes Stu look even more Scummy today, because he was prepared for this shit by being ready to call out Zeke for how he handled it. Makes sense why he wanted to push the "Zeke was the last person to talk to Fantomas, and then he dies!??" narrative. Lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
If Town people start to try reading my Joffrey gif will as anything other than me finding that gif to be hilarious in many different contexts, I am going to be so mad lol.
 

cabot

Why.
A few questions:

Who did the Doctor protect N1 if not me?

Backfire Override?

Sleepwalker?

So, Scum were the ones who put us together. Interesting. What is the use of that? Were they able to read our chat?

Is Zeke the Neutral?

Doctor tried to. Protect Stuart but the thief chose well and now has a protect shot.

Backfire Override is an override but if target is town, the person doing the override dies. If the target is not town, the target dies.

Sleepwalker visits a random person every night. It's a negative utility to the tracker.

Scum can read the chat, yes.

Zeke is not the Neutral.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Doctor tried to. Protect Stuart but the thief chose well and now has a protect shot.

Backfire Override is an override but if target is town, the person doing the override dies. If the target is not town, the target dies.

Sleepwalker visits a random person every night. It's a negative utility to the tracker.

Scum can read the chat, yes.

Zeke is not the Neutral.
Hmmm...

Doctor might be someone still insisting Stu is Town.

So if the thief targets someone and gets a shot of their power, does it also roleblock the person they targeted that night? If so, they might think that got me killed.

Ahhh, ok. I like the Override thing. Sleepwalker yeah, just a dice-roll I guess.

Damn, I was hoping I was right on my Neutral-Zeke guess lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Interested to see Chuggernaut here. Since Donna was leaning Scum in my eyes, I'll be keeping a close watch on him. Those Scum replacements in GoT and my inability to read them still affects me to this day lol.
 

cabot

Why.
Hmmm...

Doctor might be someone still insisting Stu is Town.

So if the thief targets someone and gets a shot of their power, does it also roleblock the person they targeted that night? If so, they might think that got me killed.

Ahhh, ok. I like the Override thing. Sleepwalker yeah, just a dice-roll I guess.

Damn, I was hoping I was right on my Neutral-Zeke guess lol.

aye the thief role blocks the target first. Tracker also chose the Doctor , so there's a conflict in information there.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
aye the thief role blocks the target first. Tracker also chose the Doctor , so there's a conflict in information there.
Ok, yeah that's what I figured.

Interesting about the Tracker though.

Poor thief though lol they probably think they fucked that one up.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I am honestly confused how Stuart melting down today makes him Town? I melted down like 7 times during Conspiracy and was called Scum for it almost every time!
 
Hello spec.

First of all, the reason for stu's meltdown is he heard me crying during the game. I was rather upset, mostly at nin and the way he went at me. It's not the fact he scum read me but the way he went about it with stuff like that #empressgate thing. I got really upset, stu knew why and showed it in the thread. I was also a bit upset with Zeke using the forum issues and me being ill which I explained to scum read me but that didn't hurt as much.

I don't know why nin got to me that much, just the way he went about it hurt.

That's pretty much the explanation. Also, I asked for replacement last night before gorlak's post today, just for the record.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Hi Donna!

Sorry you weren't feeling well and needed a replacement. I'm also sorry you were upset by Nin, I'm sure he didn't mean anything bad by it, he's just been aggressive this game. I'm positive he'll apologize after he sees how you were feeling about it.

As for Zeke, I had mentioned in our night chat that I was giving you a pass on that because yeah, the forums were acting up on all of us, but I also mentioned that me and Faddy put out EoD read lists still so that might have encouraged him to continue using that as a reason. I don't think it's a good one though, mine was more about some of your posts, I felt like I was maybe at 60/40 for my scum lean on you. Would have looked at my top 3 in my list before you today, and would have encouraged others to do so as well.

As for the game, I still don't know if you were Town or not, so I'm still side-eyeing your replacement Chuggernaut, but he seems to be doing some good Towny stuff so far, and he reminds me of how he was in Conspiracy, so I'd probably move him out of the scum lean that he inherited from you for now.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Role spoilers:

I could see Faddy being the Neutral here lmao. Don't tell me if I'm right or not though Cabot, I'm just guessing for fun. That would explain his lack of posting and the weird feeling I get from him at times.
 
Hi Donna!

Sorry you weren't feeling well and needed a replacement. I'm also sorry you were upset by Nin, I'm sure he didn't mean anything bad by it, he's just been aggressive this game. I'm positive he'll apologize after he sees how you were feeling about it.

For the record, the main reason for replacement was being upset rather than not being well (ironically, I'm not feeling well today though lol. Think I'm coming down with something :(). I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it but it didn't stop me feeling upset and stu got angry because of it.

I think a few people realised that about him as well.

I have been scum read before but this is the first time it's really upset me because of the way he was towards me.

I know it seems stupid and I'm sorry about that but it is just the way I felt ^^;
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I know it seems stupid and I'm sorry about that but it is just the way I felt ^^;
Nah, it's ok to feel that way, it can be a really tense game. I just hope you feel better now is all. :)

And also, if you want to go ahead and spoil tag your alignment/role for me, I'd kind of like to know actually haha. I don't know if I want to try to reading you in here, and I'm fine being spoiled on Chuggernaut.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, now Faddy is just telling lies lol.
Faddy said:
He [Giant Panda] was much more active in game of thrones.
No he wasn't lol he was our Doctor. He was quiet as fuck for days until he ran out of shots and had to role claim because everyone was scum reading him for being so quiet lol.
 
town sleepwalker, I visit random people ^-^ I have no control over it. Weird power lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
town sleepwalker, I visit random people ^-^ I have no control over it. Weird power lol
Ahhh, ok.

Cabot told me about all the PRs earlier, and I had never heard of that one before haha. Did you get an actual result from it last night?
 

Verelios

Were-elios
You can be a good player and live long. Depends on others doing mad distracting shenanigans or you being good and also very wrong.


As for roles.

Town:
Doctor
Backfire Override
Sleepwalker
Tracker
Ability Thief
Vengeful

Scum:
Ninja
Odd Day Matchmaker (made your chat)
Roleblocker

Neutral:
Mentor
Endgame is going to be interesting considering how chat is used.
For the record, the main reason for replacement was being upset rather than not being well (ironically, I'm not feeling well today though lol. Think I'm coming down with something :(). I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it but it didn't stop me feeling upset and stu got angry because of it.

I think a few people realised that about him as well.

I have been scum read before but this is the first time it's really upset me because of the way he was towards me.

I know it seems stupid and I'm sorry about that but it is just the way I felt ^^;
Nah, sometimes you just get heated, especially if you're not really in conversation. It's perfectly normal to feel that way.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm still feeling mostly null on DCP. He has some weird posts though. Like when he questions Nin's scum read on GP, and why he was concerned with GP's push on him, then answers the question himself without waiting to see what Nin's response was and if it matched what he thought it would be. Hard to describe, but I've got that sense from some of Pat's posts.

His bigger posts, even the one looking back on you that I think he's wrong to be viewing that way, don't feel like that though. They feel more normal to me I guess.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Power Role Spoilers:

Stuart is SO SCUM HERE! OH MY GOD!!

Since I know for a fact now that it was Scum who invited me and Zeke to the chat, and that they probably did kill me for my reads, he's just outing the whole thing now and acting like it's just a theory! And of course he does it to pivot away from that scummy post about asking them to come forward. Which he only gave them like what, 10 minutes to do, before he revealed his plan that he was going to Scum read them if they did? Lmao.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I feel good about that last post from Sophia.

As my mentor, one thing that she really made sure to drive home to me was that as Town, my claim is everything. Even if it's just Vanilla, it is everything. There is no reason to claim when you don't need to, especially early in the game.

Her advice to me was that the only time a Town player should really feel the need to claim is if it is getting close to EoD and they are on the chopping block for real. Claiming at other points is only beneficial to Scum because it is not helping to hunt Scum, which is what Town is supposed to be doing first and foremost.

Therefore, I read Sophia's frustrations with Stu right now to be very genuine. This is bad play in her eyes, and since she had been Town reading Stu, I think this is very frustrating for her because now he is doing blatantly anti-Town things right in front of her.
 
I can understand being frustrated with Stu and his meltdown but I can also understand Stu here especially not wanting to sub out.

I thought the same, that'd it would be unfair to my replacement, I just think Stu feels done with all this.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Zeke, oh my god, I love him so much. I think he saved all of my posts from our chat. The fact that he can just keep sprinkling my reads from there out into the thread now is so dope lol.

You Scumlords thought you could kill me and my reads? Well they live on, through Zeke! I WILL NEVER DIE!!!
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Unfortunate to see Grizz barking up the wrong tree here. I'll admit, if I didn't know Donna's alignment, I'd be nodding my head in agreement with those recap posts. But god damn, I really wish my top 3 scum reads were getting more attention here than her, so I hope Grizz can go over them with as much scrutiny.
 

cabot

Why.
town sleepwalker, I visit random people ^-^ I have no control over it. Weird power lol

it's a negative utility role to throw uncertainty at the tracker's results.

sorry to hear about nin, donna. Letting a gamerunner know during it might help in future, because the problem was we saw Stuart become overwhelmingly angry and we had no context for it.

We could PM nin and tell him to tone it down
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Man, GP is getting railroaded in there and it looks like no one's really interested in thinking this through
 

cabot

Why.
I mean it is day two and he's not done too much. After nailing a scum they can go for these sort of targets.


Donna, Gorlak hopes you feel better and is sorry you had to drop.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Gorlak said:
I think I come around on Stuart. By the end of yesterday (rl) my gut told me he's too obvious to be scum.
STOP! ALL OF YOU! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! STOP DOING THIS!

This shit is my new biggest pet peeve in Mafia. "Scum wouldn't do this! Therefore, I will Town-Read you for being so scummy!"

No, STOP TOWN READING PEOPLE FOR BEING SCUMMY!!!!
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Sorry, I just woke up and that was the first post I read and it did not make me happy lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I still think Stu, Melon, and Kalor are Scum. There might be another coaster/low-activity type in there too, or replace Kalor with another of those types instead.

I also think Faddy is the Neutral. It explains too much about how he's been playing this game.

So in other words, I am ready for you to spoil-tag the Scum Team (and their roles) and the Neutral for me @cabot if you wouldn't mind.

I doubt anything will ever change my mind, and I'm very impatient and want to find out how right me and Zeke were on N1.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Really liking Grizz here on D2. He's given some strong reads and impressions. I like that he is dropping the Donna/Chuggernaut stuff now heading into EoD in favor of his bigger reads.

His Protect/Investigate/Kill is basically mine, except swap Sophia with Stu.
 
Letting a gamerunner know during it might help in future, because the problem was we saw Stuart become overwhelmingly angry and we had no context for it.

I'll try to in the future. I think I didn't think about that because of how I was and the time of night it was? Originally, I was going to wait till the morning to see if I felt differently but that changed.

Donna, Gorlak hopes you feel better and is sorry you had to drop.

thank gorlak for me, I appreciate that.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Malus! <3

It's going to be fun watching him here, since I was town-reading Dubs for the most part, and Malus has only played as Scum in his first game haha.
 
I kinda wish you were still in the game Fantomas. I think Stu is town but with Nin unable to get votes for either Chuggs/me and it doesn't look like people want to follow Zeke (and nin since nin said earlier he wants Stu lynched as well). I really wonder if you would have been able to get people to vote for him enmasse.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I kinda wish you were still in the game Fantomas. I think Stu is town but with Nin unable to get votes for either Chuggs/me and it doesn't look like people want to follow Zeke (and nin since nin said earlier he wants Stu lynched as well). I really wonder if you would have been able to get people to vote for him enmasse.
The one thing I wish Zeke would have done is be more assertive about our chat. It was very productive honestly and we were both really confident about our read of D1 and who the top suspects were. I was ready to walk into the game and just lay down the law lol.

So in other words, yes, I agree haha. My biggest fear is that Town will go down the route that Town in Conspiracy went.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Scum:

Faddy
Sophia
DCPat

Neutral:
Grizzly

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Ah fuck me. Why the hell did they kill me then? Fuck them! I wanted to play so bad, and I was 100% wrong and they shoot me? FUCK THEM!!!!

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Fanto

Confirmed Town
I am actually really mad right now about them shooting me. Fuck that. Now I just sit on my ass in here like a fucking tool.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ugh, I don't give a shit about this game anymore. I'll check in sometime to see if anyone figures it out. This is honestly just turning me off of Mafia right now.
 
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