You shouldn't be mad. They probably thought you would eventually figure them out. You have a good head on your shoulders after all. If you had stayed alive til end game, you'd have probably figured them out I think.
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You shouldn't be mad. They probably thought you would eventually figure them out. You have a good head on your shoulders after all. If you had stayed alive til end game, you'd have probably figured them out I think.
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Who is the doctor anyway?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
No, I wouldn't have. Not for days. I would have pushed Stu as hard as I possibly could. Then Melon or Kalor. Once all of them flipped Town, they could have shot me then. I was on to none of them yet. Faddy I would have interpreted as a possible Neutral, yes, and maybe would have Scum read him eventually. But nope, not D1. He fooled me. As did Sophia. As did DCPat. They were perfectly safe with me in the game for days.
Nope. Fuck them. Sophia and Faddy could have played me hard and they know it. I wouldn't have scum read them. They knew what I was saying in the fucking chat! They killed me for the LOLs because fuck me, that's why. I'm sure Sophia is laughing her ass off about it.
Yeah, and why the fuck didn't they target me?
So next time Fantomas is scum and Sophia is town, Fantomas is going to shoot Sophia? Or if he's a Vig, shoot her?
Sorry Fantomas <3 but I can just see you being vengeful in the future. Like Telltale games
"Fantomas will remember this"
*giggles irl* <3
You are one of my favourite newer players to Mafia though Fanto. I always enjoy your posts regardless <3
You are one of my favourite newer players to Mafia though Fanto. I always enjoy your posts regardless <3
Verelios
Were-elios
Woot, knew it
cabot
Why.
You just read the spreadsheet ya cheating bastard
Fanto
Confirmed Town
On the one hand, how can I even be mad? But on the other hand,
COOLEST!!! YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT PROTECT ME ON NIGHT ONE!? HOLY SHIT!!!
Coolest choosing Stu is funny. Stu last time he was the Doctor chose to protect him on N1.
I'm almost worried CS is trying to steal my Stu away ;_;
I'm almost worried CS is trying to steal my Stu away ;_;
I admit, I do have trouble, especially on D1 trying to think of how to contribute. Doesn't help that I seem to get easily ill at times.
I haven't survived until late in the game since uhh my first game and maybe Monopoly? but I feel like I'd do better later in the game when I have more to go on. D1. I'm too busy overthinking things, trying to think of what to say without rehashing other people comments.
I'll try and get better but yeah, that's how I feel. To quote Stu who says this a lot: "I overthink things too much"
;-;
I haven't survived until late in the game since uhh my first game and maybe Monopoly? but I feel like I'd do better later in the game when I have more to go on. D1. I'm too busy overthinking things, trying to think of what to say without rehashing other people comments.
I'll try and get better but yeah, that's how I feel. To quote Stu who says this a lot: "I overthink things too much"
;-;
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Faddy is so funny as Scum by the way lol. I can see why he didn't want me around past Day 1 now. He isn't talking at all. If he had to keep interacting with me following a Scum Flip on D1? Lol. He's just coasting now with me gone, probably because no one else is paying as much attention to him as I would.
Also, I knew something was up when he didn't react to my death at all in the game, that's one of the reasons I thought he was the Neutral and had his own agenda. Town-Faddy would want vengeance for my death. As I would for his.
Also, I knew something was up when he didn't react to my death at all in the game, that's one of the reasons I thought he was the Neutral and had his own agenda. Town-Faddy would want vengeance for my death. As I would for his.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Well, I suppose my advice for D1 would be to just point out anything you think could be the signs of a Mafia player, and be confident about it.
Like, in my first real post of the game when I woke up after the fluff had all died down and was catching up, I noticed how ET was all fluff and no substance, then later complained there was no substance. But never provided any himself. That seemed like the signs of a Mafia player to me, so I asked him, hilariously, if he was Scum again. His response told me all I needed to know, I was right.
So then I started to look elsewhere. I had noticed that possible Slip™ from B-Dubs the night before and bookmarked the post, so I went back to that and pointed it out, while also voting for him just to make myself seem more confident in it than I really was lol.
So basically, just don't be afraid to call people out. If they're Town, who cares. If they're Scum though? Their reaction could be interesting that's for sure.
Verelios
Were-elios
Thanks for the advice Fanto, I'll try and remember that. I just have a hard time being confident ;_; plus it's a game, I don't want to hurt peoples feelings too much since it's hard to tell if people are genuinely hurt or acting like they are because they are scum.
Also that Cat/Croc gif is so cute, I could look at it all day.
You REALLY love that gif LOL
Also that Cat/Croc gif is so cute, I could look at it all day.
Current me (left) and the other version of me (right) who still doesn't know the alignments yet, looking at each other, after Stu's vote for Faddy:
You REALLY love that gif LOL
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, that was one of my issues in GoT was that I wasn't very confident. And again in Conspiracy as Scum, I was confident on D1, and again when I had my fake claim on D4, but no where else was I confident at all. That was something I wanted to work on in this game (and of course I only got one day to do anything about it!) but I think I improved a lot compared to my Town game at any point in GoT.
Faddy's play in GoT is what first really inspired me, and then how confident Stu was in KH when he was sure he knew who the Scum team was at the end. And then seeing Sorian in Conspiracy was really inspiring too for me, I took a lot from his play I think.
As I said before, I find it to be hilarious in many different contexts lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
He was definitely ok with it because of this reason for sure lol.
I'd also like to think he was scared to talk to me in the thread because I did mention him to Zeke in the night chat once. I hope Zeke can bring it up. Zeke was reading him as suspicious, and I commented on my thoughts on that, even though I concluded with my Town read on him, I brought up good points I think.
I'd also like to think he was scared to talk to me in the thread because I did mention him to Zeke in the night chat once. I hope Zeke can bring it up. Zeke was reading him as suspicious, and I commented on my thoughts on that, even though I concluded with my Town read on him, I brought up good points I think.
I was planning to post a gif in relation to zeke and his shrugs but right now photobucket is broke and my googlefu can't find it otherwise haha...
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I just went and dug this one out of the KH Spec Thread because I remembered posting it in there lol:
cabot
Why.
Oh, I remember.
cabot
Why.
Found it!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Stuart444 said:
Verelios
Were-elios
Man is getting his revenge for Conspiracy
Stu is right here, kinda, if only because those reads should be supplemental. Zeke is falling back on a dead man's reads which is going to bite him in the ass once flips start moving and it looks like he had an agenda.
lol.
Not gonna lie. Me and Stu have become so similar (we used to be quite different) since we got together.
Almost every week, we say one or two things at the exact same time and he's usually like "We have got to stop doing this" or "What are we like"
It's almost creepy but I love him anyway <3
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, I just know that Zeke has been busy IRL since he said in our chat he's been driving trucks and he's on odd hours, and I know he really wanted to post all my thoughts in the thread, he just took too long to do it since we're so close to EoD now so I would feel bad if people actually scum read him for that.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Guessing I know what role he has lol.
me irl
cabot
Why.
The thief has a protect shot, no way both of them don't protect a green check
using it on GP is still useful, scum were across both kalor and GP. There's a solid amount of information to work with.
using it on GP is still useful, scum were across both kalor and GP. There's a solid amount of information to work with.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Oh yeah, I forgot about the thief!
Well there it is...
can't blame Stu for wanting to quit but I understand him trying to hang in there. It'd hurt to let a replacement deal with all of his previous actions.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm honestly embarrassed about how shitty my reads were. Putting me and Zeke together was the best move Scum could have made. Zeke loves conspiracies, and I make terrible reads. Combine us, and my terrible reads feed into Zeke's conspiracies, which gives me more ammo to make my terrible reads, and then Zeke agrees with them, and that makes me feel like I'm right.
I still don't know why that group killed me other than out of spite I guess.
I still don't know why that group killed me other than out of spite I guess.
I would agree with this. Early game is hard ;_;
cabot
Why.
Grizzly hasn't used his mentor power yet, it's fairly limited. He has two recruit shots. He can only recruit one of three specific named players in the game. If they all die and he has a recruit shot left, he gains a 1-shot bulletproof.
Pretty sure he's going to die tonight, though.
Pretty sure he's going to die tonight, though.
Kalor did well, that role went about as fun as I hoped.
poor gir
Fanto
Confirmed Town
So then I was wrong about everything. Perfect.
I can't wait for a Scum member to get in here so I can start yelling at them. Kill someone who's actually good at the game next time, not some dumbass who's going to help you win with his shitty reads.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm not being hard on me, I'm being hard on them.
There was no reason to kill me N1 when they were literally watching me come to the terrible conclusions that I was. They could have planned days in advance where they just let me lead Town to their doom.
Instead they killed me. Why? Because people town read me? Who cares, they literally knew where my mind was going into D2! They had nothing to fear if people thought I was Town and trusted my reads.
I suppose Faddy wanted revenge for Conspiracy. Whatever, shitty reason to kill someone.
Sophia? She probably thought it was funny? Teach me a lesson for playing badly on N1 with my reads? I don't think I can play in a game with her ever again after this, just thinking about her makes me mad.
DCPat? Who knows, I don't care if it was his idea, it's the other two that I care about.
Why the fuck do they kill me on N1 when they know I am town reading them and they can just buddy up to me and I'll convince everyone to lynch strong Town players like Stu? I can only think of spiteful reasons for them to have killed me, and that is terrible play from them as Scum to just kill me out of spite or because they thought it would be funny.
Instead they killed me. Why? Because people town read me? Who cares, they literally knew where my mind was going into D2! They had nothing to fear if people thought I was Town and trusted my reads.
I suppose Faddy wanted revenge for Conspiracy. Whatever, shitty reason to kill someone.
Sophia? She probably thought it was funny? Teach me a lesson for playing badly on N1 with my reads? I don't think I can play in a game with her ever again after this, just thinking about her makes me mad.
DCPat? Who knows, I don't care if it was his idea, it's the other two that I care about.
Why the fuck do they kill me on N1 when they know I am town reading them and they can just buddy up to me and I'll convince everyone to lynch strong Town players like Stu? I can only think of spiteful reasons for them to have killed me, and that is terrible play from them as Scum to just kill me out of spite or because they thought it would be funny.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Then what did happen? Because I find it hard to believe I was killed because people town read me. I was town read on D1 as Scum, which at least one of those Scum members is well aware of. It meant nothing.
Yeah, I feel like you probably could have waited a bit. I understand though, the temperature was rising underneath you pretty quick.
That is kind of rough.
Which one were you considering by the way?
Verelios
Were-elios
Well, look at it this way. Take every negative reason you've just said and flip it around for why they wouldn't be scum and it works out pretty good. Look at Faddy already playing it that way and it turns any criticism against them for your death, like Stu's, into WIFOM.
Verelios
Were-elios
I was getting hyped when I saw your 'not today' post and thought you guys were going to swerve away from GP. Well, knowing GP is town is also fine. You always use your role at unexpected times.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ugh. I guess I just hate being fucking used like this. I tried so hard on D1, and I did find Scum, but I really just fucked myself over by drawing a target on my back. Scum got to sit there and watch me in my night chat and just laugh at my shitty reads. Then they off me for whatever reason. I still cannot picture why they chose to kill me. If it really was just because I was being town read, then I what am I even doing here?
I just can't see how I can play this game if that's why i was killed N1 honestly. If I get killed N1 for being town read, and I'm also ridiculously easy to spot as Scum, then I don't see how I can play this game anymore. I can't help it if people town read me. If I tried playing differently and didn't talk as much or didn't try so hard I don't think that would help me any. Town would think something was up and would want to lynch me, and Scum would probably think I had a PR or something and still want to shoot me.
My plan for next game is to go full CoolestSpot. First post on D1 I am going to claim that I am an Alien Neutral Bomb Doctor who was once on the Scum team, then provide a list of players who were on the team, and then claim that I was able to defect and am here to help the Town win. However, if they vote for me, then I will blow up because I am also a Bomb and I will kill them all and win the game because that is my Neutral win condition, but also since I'm a Doctor they will all be protected every night, but only if they lynch everyone I say to lynch.
Verelios
Were-elios
Well...that's probably not the best. Never go full Bronx man* when you die/get lynched d1.
Getting hit d1 sucks but it's usually just a jumble of chance and inevitability depending on whether you'd be a protection target or not. You weren't and scum probably took advantage of that.
Getting hit d1 sucks but it's usually just a jumble of chance and inevitability depending on whether you'd be a protection target or not. You weren't and scum probably took advantage of that.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I don't see how I wasn't. The Townest player in the game by far, and the Doctor chooses not to protect me N1? And the Scum Team decides to roll the dice on me not being protected when they can shoot literally anyone else and feel safer about their chances? I can't make sense of either the Doctor or the Scum team's decisions on N1 regarding me.
But whatever. I just don't know if I have it in me to try that hard on D1 ever again. Trying = dying is my lesson from this game. You don't even have to be right about anything, you can call the entire Scum team Town, and they'll still shoot you as long you're trying to play.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Sorry, once again, I'm just really salty about this game.
I just need to stay away until I can cool down. I feel bad for being so angry about dying early, but it just makes me feel like shit knowing who killed me but without knowing why they did it. It just makes me assume the worst, given my history with two of the players involved. Like, the two people in this community who have taught me the most about how to play this game decided together to murder me on N1 and boot me out of the game. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about that on a personal level.
I just need to stay away until I can cool down. I feel bad for being so angry about dying early, but it just makes me feel like shit knowing who killed me but without knowing why they did it. It just makes me assume the worst, given my history with two of the players involved. Like, the two people in this community who have taught me the most about how to play this game decided together to murder me on N1 and boot me out of the game. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about that on a personal level.
cabot
Why.
Alright fantomas you need to take a breath and realise that differing people have differing opinions.
You were killed because you were widely town read and a very active participant that wasn't scum
The whole point of scum is to control the game and all narratives, its not easy to do that when you have active players trying to solve.
You weren't protected because the doctor obviously thought someone else was more town than you, or more likely to be shot. It doesn't really matter, you absolutely should not rely on a doctor protecting you because you think you're being town as fuck.
Scum were fairly bold in going for you early but at that point they were not under heavy suspicion and were also the most active players, the numbers were in their favour.
Every game is different, and priority is adjusted for people who die very early. Enough people in this community are barely trying as town, the solution isn't to get upset and decide I'm never trying again, that just angers other players who like to try and solve the game but have these unnecessary hurdles in the way.
You're not unique. Grizzly usually dies N2 when not scum and is a good shout of dying again this game on N2.
If you honestly think you want to live long and have to not invest effort to do so, then you're just as problematic as players who sign up intentionally to goof shit.
Don't play if you're not willing to fully commit to your role, regardless of alignment.
You were killed because you were widely town read and a very active participant that wasn't scum
The whole point of scum is to control the game and all narratives, its not easy to do that when you have active players trying to solve.
You weren't protected because the doctor obviously thought someone else was more town than you, or more likely to be shot. It doesn't really matter, you absolutely should not rely on a doctor protecting you because you think you're being town as fuck.
Scum were fairly bold in going for you early but at that point they were not under heavy suspicion and were also the most active players, the numbers were in their favour.
Every game is different, and priority is adjusted for people who die very early. Enough people in this community are barely trying as town, the solution isn't to get upset and decide I'm never trying again, that just angers other players who like to try and solve the game but have these unnecessary hurdles in the way.
You're not unique. Grizzly usually dies N2 when not scum and is a good shout of dying again this game on N2.
If you honestly think you want to live long and have to not invest effort to do so, then you're just as problematic as players who sign up intentionally to goof shit.
Don't play if you're not willing to fully commit to your role, regardless of alignment.
In my experience, Scum usually hits people for multiple reasons.
I've been killed on N1 several times because scum are afraid I have a PR. I'm usually like "HOW did they think that?"
Remember as well, Stu was aimed in his last game probably because he was active and widely town read as well. He only survived due to his BP.
He's still here though trying his best. Every game is different and circumstances are different. Just because you were killed this way, doesn't mean you will be next time.
I've been killed on N1 several times because scum are afraid I have a PR. I'm usually like "HOW did they think that?"
Remember as well, Stu was aimed in his last game probably because he was active and widely town read as well. He only survived due to his BP.
He's still here though trying his best. Every game is different and circumstances are different. Just because you were killed this way, doesn't mean you will be next time.
cabot
Why.
You were probably reading scummy to them. If you're scum and you've got players who appear scummy, decent chance they are a PR.
Verelios
Were-elios
If I'm scum and see someone being completely inoffensive all day then they probably have a PR.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Why put me in a night chat with Zeke if they were just going to kill me anyways? I still don't understand that part of it. Wasn't that just a waste? Was it supposed to make Zeke look bad? Nothing about that worked in their favor. I don't understand how that role in general is supposed to favor the Scum Team, especially if their plan is to kill people who come to the wrong conclusions about them during the night chat. All other night chat roles that I am aware of are supposed to benefit Town because they normally cannot talk to one another at night. How does the Scum Team benefit from putting two Town members together for a night?
Honestly, I'm not sure what their plan was with the chat stuff. But I'd say it's worked out in their favour as Zeke gets to put out your reads and you can no longer interact with people and change your thoughts visibly in the thread?
I guess when a scum member gets here, you can ask why they did that since it does seem odd that they put you in a night chat and then killed you the same night.
I guess when a scum member gets here, you can ask why they did that since it does seem odd that they put you in a night chat and then killed you the same night.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
True. I guess the only way I can make sense of it is if they weren't considering me for a kill until well after they had already decided to put me in the chat. Or I guess maybe the matchmaker made his decision independently, but I don't see why they would do that.
Otherwise it just doesn't add up to me at least, seems like a waste of an ability to target someone with one of your Scum PRs and the faction kill in the same night on purpose.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also, in regards to them apparently wanting to target Grizz tonight:
That sucks. I still haven't seen a Neutral get a win and I really want to lol. There were two in GoT, but Melon executed Zeke N1 in her jail, and then we lynched Girlofgotham, the assassin, on D5. And of course in Conspiracy, LP made it soooo close, but then got lynched because he's just naturally sketchy.
You could always look at Monopoly Mafia.
Sweetnicole was a Neutral but subbed out, Muffin replaced her and was literally 100% honest about his role and won.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I had a post where I was going to vote for CS but I changed my mind when I thought about it more. So I changed the writing for the post and just forgot to remove the vote because I didn't double check it.
As for the person I was considering.
Sophia
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ohh, ok, that makes sense haha.
And yeah, that's who I figured, they seemed to be the one catching the most heat out of their group today.
Hello fellow spectators! Caught up on this thread and spoiled myself. I can't say suspected the scum lineup based on everything through day 2 end and now I have no idea where the flavor is going after Theresa May was a town role. I'm not totally up on my British politics but after the first two Tory=scum and opposition=town flips I figured that the lines would be remainers vs. leavers.
My only real game thought at the moment is that Zeke is really digging his own grave here by spreading out all of Fanto's reads over the course of this day phase. We in here know that he's being honest, but it's a terrible look. I guess we'll see how everyone reevaluates the reads when he eventually flips.
My only real game thought at the moment is that Zeke is really digging his own grave here by spreading out all of Fanto's reads over the course of this day phase. We in here know that he's being honest, but it's a terrible look. I guess we'll see how everyone reevaluates the reads when he eventually flips.
Also, I guess that I could just wait for the night flip if things go as expected, but I have a question: What's the win condition for the Neutral team? I looked up the role but it's not clear to me what the goal is as Neutral.
Darn, too bad Panda didn't say more to try and convince you off them.
Wonder what will happen this day.