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So if there is apparently someone who can set up gossip chats for two players, we need to keep that in mind if one of us disappears during the night phase.
 

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Yo guys, should I bring up the connection between Mao and Swamped? I know it's not much but I'm leaning towards voting one of those two currently so it might be good to bring it up at least for discussion in the main thread?
 

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I was just debating wanting to make that connection or not (in case there's a chance they are like lovers or some shit) but since we are analyzing swamped, I guess it wouldn't hurt. XD

I'm just looking over Aeleus as well real fast.
 

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Yeah I figured XD I've just been known to put forth crazy theories before and don't want to come off like an idiot (Remember that long ass read post on Z-beat I did who ended up town. XD)

Also there is a family of baby chickadees outside my window and they are so fucking tiny ; ^ ;
 

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Okay made my big post. I'm at the point where i can't take a nap so I might as well stay up and keep hunting, though I will probably get my vote down before bed. XD
 

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Lol now I'm wondering if they did message him in scum chat and posted in the main thread as a result.
 

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welp, I can’t post on Era but I was typing this post in response to you Fanto:

Do you have any thoughts on the case against Swamped then?


Right on.


I suppose as long as you were Town reading me and the others voting Swamped it wasn't a bad play necessarily, it was just that you specifically name-dropped me as having voted there and that being why you did in this post, so that's what stuck out to me:

Yeah, I do. I don’t see what benefit Weem would get for lying about that chat they shared with Vere, and the connection between him and Swamped seems plausible; like others have mentioned, after the tie breaker started, momentum was picking against Swamped and Brazil + Fanto + Faddy (3 town reads to me) had voted for her before Vere could get confirmation from Gorlak / Geno that voting for OJ wouldn’t auto hammer.


Plus, Stuart could’ve just voted for OJ and avoid going into the tie breaker, but he didn’t. Now that OJ flipped town, I believe that scum were comfortable with the leading wagons and didn’t want to move their votes to end OJ / Stu since that would expose them unnecessarily. That makes me think that the Swamped wagon that came up was pure (at least mostly, I guess), which is another point against her.
 

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Surprised that #4 is Ketkat! Good to have you here!

And kinda also surprised that #2 isn’t Verelios after Fanto and Loki started talking about it haha, already had it totally as the truth, even got this quote post from some time back which felt strangely defensive over Swamped.

you bring up some great points. i'd like to point out that Stu breaking the tie and voting for OJ, even if he could have waved it off as a "save my life vote" would put a lot more of a spotlight on him going into the next day phase, especially with the way he acted in Day 1.
for all we know, he had his finger ready to vote OJ if someone had broken the tie last second.
things got way scattered briefly after the tie but eventually OJ was obliterated with votes in the end.
if we're lucky, scum will flip at the beginning of day 2 and we'll get some good info after that.
 

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Oh, so I got infected with Las Plagas tonight by the way.

Also, Geno just said people who died have been informed.

Can we get a head count in here?

That's worrying. I should probably mention I was infected from the start, and I'm still alive.

Yeah, this is the definition of worrying cause I’ve been infected since the start. #2 and Loki nonchalantly sharing that they were infected was the thing that made me worried about giving out information here and now it seems we are all infected in here?
 

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Well I think I was right about my stupid theory that'd we'd all end up infected. So yay we get to be zombies yelling about outsiders together unless something can be done about it :_D

As for the infection I know nothing officially as all I have is that message in the PM.
 

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Well I think I was right about my stupid theory that'd we'd all end up infected. So yay we get to be zombies yelling about outsiders together unless something can be done about it :_D

As for the infection I know nothing officially as all I have is that message in the PM.
But did Fanto get infected by being with us in here? That doesn’t make sense since we we are alone in here since the start, so the virus will just be stuck in here either way.
 

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But what we do have was how it was used in the first game which might be relevant since this is a direct sequel I guess.

The Virus was caused by Albert Wesker in the first game who was LP. He started out as town but in a certain number of days he turned neutral with the wincon of infecting everybody. But you, Neeks, and him got eaten by Muffin so nothing really happened with it until you all came back.

LP had an ability to infect players (which ended up killing you immediately lol) but the other condition was that anyone who interacted with an infected player would become one as well.

My theory was that we would all be infected but you didn't speak up and Fanto didn't mention anything so I thought maybe it was just random. However since Fanto is infected, I'm wondering if that happened because someone infected him (either one of us in the thread or another player controlling the ability) orrr the more likely which is that Fanto got infected because he shares a chat with us LOL.

Either way... Zombie Cult Zombie Cult Zombie Cult I may get to be a marvel zombie Cap 8D And if I'm right about this I'll laugh so hard, though if we can prevent it from happening and clear our infection that'd be great. XD
 

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But did Fanto get infected by being with us in here? That doesn’t make sense since we we are alone in here since the start, so the virus will just be stuck in here either way.
Unless someone interacts with us it'll spread. If one of us has an ability that interacts with players (such as the tracker ability Oliver had) that player will get infected as well. If someone interacts with us via their ability they will also be infected.
 

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Yeah, I know all too well about LP sucky virus mechanic. I spent like 4 day phases waiting to get back to the game inside Muffin and got done dirty by RNGods. I’ll curse Geno forever if this is the same role.
 

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Yeah, I know all too well about LP sucky virus mechanic. I spent like 4 day phases waiting to get back to the game inside Muffin and got done dirty by RNGods. I’ll curse Geno forever if this is the same role.
Yeah I figured you'd remember everything from last time (sorry for bringing up the bad memories D:) but Ket, Numbah 2, and Fanto may have needed a refresher course/need to learn about it because they haven't experienced the first game.
 

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Does anyone have more info the infection? Or just a footnote in the PM saying that you have the Las Plagas?
I got a PM shortly after night actions locked that just said I had been infected with Las Plagas, it didn't say anything about what it did or where it came from.

As for the speculations, we'll see what happens I guess lol. Just another weird as thing going on here. I am 100% hoping that we turn into a fucking Cult though because I would love that so much! Lol.
 

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I’m really sleepy here guys, so I’ll just step out. I sincerely hope I’m thinking about this wrong and this chat isn’t an carrier virus bullshit for someone in here.
 

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I got a PM shortly after night actions locked that just said I had been infected with Las Plagas, it didn't say anything about what it did or where it came from.

As for the speculations, we'll see what happens I guess lol. Just another weird as thing going on here. I am 100% hoping that we turn into a fucking Cult though because I would love that so much! Lol.
Zombie Cult! Zombie Cult! Zombie Cult!
 

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I’m really sleepy here guys, so I’ll just step out. I sincerely hope I’m thinking about this wrong and this chat isn’t an carrier virus bullshit for someone in here.
You have to admit that it's somewhat hilarious that you are this closely involved with a zombie virus again considering last time. XD
 

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Yeah I figured you'd remember everything from last time (sorry for bringing up the bad memories D:) but Ket, Numbah 2, and Fanto may have needed a refresher course/need to learn about it because they haven't experienced the first game.
Haha, no bad memories, just messing around. It was a fitting end to me on that game lol
 

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I got a PM shortly after night actions locked that just said I had been infected with Las Plagas, it didn't say anything about what it did or where it came from.

As for the speculations, we'll see what happens I guess lol. Just another weird as thing going on here. I am 100% hoping that we turn into a fucking Cult though because I would love that so much! Lol.
I hate Cults but this would be so much fun at this point lol

Self turned Zombie Las Plagas Illuminati Cult. Sheesh.
 

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Before finally going, I think we should keep the virus discussion in here for now. Could be we do have an Albert Wesker or similar role out there and revealing we are all infected could be just what he needs.

I’d rather we wait and see if someone outside the chat becomes infected as well.
 

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Before finally going, I think we should keep the virus discussion in here for now. Could be we do have an Albert Wesker or similar role out there and revealing we are all infected could be just what he needs.

I’d rather we wait and see if someone outside the chat becomes infected as well.
Yes that was my game plan as well. When the game started I was planning to keep it to myself unless someone mentioned it and sure enough Numbah 2 asked about it right away so welp. XD
 

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If it does come up, I feel like maybe it would be a good idea to not have all of us come forward as infected? Since there may be a person outside the thread who is doing it, it might be best they don't know how many are really infected?

Though if there is something like a cure maybe not. :/ Def want to get that taken care of quick.

I do wonder if this infection is how Geno plans on killing a bunch of players though that would suck. .-.
 

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I do have a feeling that when it does come up, it will be because someone investigated one of us and got infected .-.
 

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Another additional concern in that case is that if any of us have interactive powers (Not role fishing just throwing it out there), the concern of infecting those we investigate is a concern, but hey if our purpose is to become a zombie cult then I guess that helps until it's found out we did it... .-.

Though there is also a possibility that it doesn't spread at all or only does under specific circumstances such as the party controlling it doing it or certain interactions. Again it's all speculation except for the fact that we are all infected and Fanto wasn't until last night.
 

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I suppose it is possible someone from within here targeted me, of course I would advise against claiming that for now if you did just in case. But that could have been how I got infected too.
 

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Random comment: I like Fanto that on era we both got avatars with a similar color pallet of bi colors, while on here we both got blue ones with flesh tone. XD
 

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Neat :o I'm planning on using my current one for like ever until I probably get another one done up in pride colors, i love it so much ;-; However when I run games I am 100% putting on theme appropriate avatars. XD
 

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Good morning, just woke up.

On this:
how should we approach item talk in here? not going to lie, I’m at least curious to know if they seem character specific like they were in HvV
As I was going to bed last night I figured it would be best to at least tell you all this in here:

The item I got does not have anything to do with Las Plagas.

I don't think I want to say anything more than that for now, but since that is something that we are all interested about in here, I figured I would disclose that at least. If it did have something to with Las Plagas, I would tell you all immediately.
 

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what do you think is the reason someone would target you with the las plagas though? you were roleblocked last night, so it’s not like you were a threat for the time being. and you said you got notified right before day end? so it’s a day ability then.
it wouldn’t make sense that only one of us is not infected and because of this chat that last person in here would get infected later in the day. why not just start out with us all being infected? its an unnecessary mechanic to wait until day end to notify Fanto of it.
 

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It is so odd that we had 4 infected and 1 not in here but that lends to the possibility that maybe members 2-5 were randomly assigned here and it just happened to pick three that were?

Let's see if Numbah 2's theory is right though, if the infected ones are characters from the previous game (NPC or playable) then we know that maybe the infection wasn't random.
 

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this is a lot to ask but can you confirm that you are heroes that spoke in the story of HvV?
just skim through Geno’s replied story posts and see if you are there. Fandorin played in it so he might even remember.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/heroes-vs-villains-mafia-the-greatest-battle-in-history.25553/
Sure, I'll check. I don't remember the character being there, but it's also sort of a obscure character for me so I might be blocking it out.
 

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Well, at least not as one of the playable characters I guess, I just looked at the first page where it said everyone's characters, then the final day for the last flips.
 

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i'm have a good feeling about Malus after this post. call it intuition but this feels like genuine insight.
Can't believe I missed the last event just because I was catching up on the thread. I think you should ping all players when you start a new event.



Why didn't you give the item to somebody else? It seems pretty dangerous to just keep an item, when everyone knows you have one.


Also, Swamped wasn't role blocked after dropping out of blackjack right?



I don't know what more there is to say about that first quote. It's easy to be "away" for 5 minutes if you don't want to risk bad consequences. I think that means the first ones to open chests probably aren't scum or at least not scum with powerful roles.

As for the second quote, Stu had both Oliver and Faddy as possible scum in his reads. But he voted for neither and seemingly didn't mind that his scum read Faddy voted the same player as him. Having a scum read vote the same as me usually makes me question that choice because scum probably don't want scum voted out. So he basically completely disregarded his previous reads without giving any reason for that.


The possibility of having more than one scum team makes EoD analysis a bit harder. The fact that Vere voted Oliver once Stu was in the lead looks a bit suspicious, but at the same time there was ample opportunity to vote Oliver before going into overtime. At this point I think if Stu is scum there must have been other scum on the Oliver train before and they didn't want to stack.

However I have to agree with Fandorin, that the easier explanation for the tie is that scum was content with the current wagons. I'll have to do a bit more thinking about that Day End (I have a nice graph if anyone is interested).


Some (very) quick thoughts and gut reactions:

-Vincents reaction to Chuggs reveal was very strange.

-Chat maker sounds like what we had in Brexit 2 so probably someone was eavesdropping. Could be the other scum team and it made them shoot Verelios.


I'm quite busy today (which is also why it took me so long to catch up), so may not return until tomorrow.
 

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this is a lot to ask but can you confirm that you are heroes that spoke in the story of HvV?
just skim through Geno’s replied story posts and see if you are there. Fandorin played in it so he might even remember.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/heroes-vs-villains-mafia-the-greatest-battle-in-history.25553/

Sure, I'll check. I don't remember the character being there, but it's also sort of a obscure character for me so I might be blocking it out.

I'm there with written lines. I don't remember if I was actually a playable one though.
 

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Fran and Stu feel very odd this game. Stu is avoiding posting much of his feelings on all the players and instead asking questions to specific people and keeping the attention off of him.

and Fran is playing very hostile. he’s saying people are looking scummy when the posts he’s talking about he’s reaching at most...

I'm there with written lines. I don't remember if I was actually a playable one though.
very interesting. thank you for checking
 

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im saying very interesting because Fandorin, Cap and I were all in the narrative last game as heroes but not playable. so it makes sense we were infected because every one of the heroes in the HvV narrative was infected by Wesker, as he says
 

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this is a lot to ask but can you confirm that you are heroes that spoke in the story of HvV?
just skim through Geno’s replied story posts and see if you are there. Fandorin played in it so he might even remember.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/heroes-vs-villains-mafia-the-greatest-battle-in-history.25553/

Yes, my character is in the story in the first post. That explains why we're infected, although I do seriously hope that Wesker isn't in here
 

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Faddy is lying. Stu’s vote was not self preservation. OJ was at 8 votes before Stu switched to him and made it 9. Stu was second with only 5... and Stu only switched over after he was called out about not voting OJ during the tie.
something seems off with Faddy here
 

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Fran and Stu feel very odd this game. Stu is avoiding posting much of his feelings on all the players and instead asking questions to specific people and keeping the attention off of him.

and Fran is playing very hostile. he’s saying people are looking scummy when the posts he’s talking about he’s reaching at most...
I guess I was expecting a more aggressive Stu after last phase. Not self pressing there at the tie breaker doesn't match with him as scum though.

Fran is being Fran to me. Meta aside, I'm town reading him since he asks a lot of good questions despite a lot of whiffs.
 

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thank you for checking.

Fanto, you’re officially the odd one out here lol. now to ponder why that’s the case
Well, he's the only one that didn't have the infect from game start. It makes sense based on lore.

I don't think you are, but if you're thinking Fantomas might be the culprit in here, I don't think Geno would handle out the solution based exclusively on lore like that.
 

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Faddy is lying. Stu’s vote was not self preservation. OJ was at 8 votes before Stu switched to him and made it 9. Stu was second with only 5... and Stu only switched over after he was called out about not voting OJ during the tie.
something seems off with Faddy here
Wait, you mean this post?

I find it hard to see Stuart as mafia with the way the votes went.


Maybe i am completely wrong and scum didn't want to obviously save a partner but at the same time I think scum!Stuart feels more pressure to self preserve and votes for Oliver before the end of day.


I think it is more likely scum had a couple of votes on Stu.

I think you might be reading that wrong, he's saying Stuart COULD'VE self pressed before the tie breaker. That's exactly what I think of the situation as I posted about it before.
 

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Well, he's the only one that didn't have the infect from game start. It makes sense based on lore.

I don't think you are, but if you're thinking Fantomas might be the culprit in here, I don't think Geno would handle out the solution based exclusively on lore like that.
im just going through the motions. it makes sense we should figure out what is similar between us in order to figure out how to use this chat to our advantage. i doubt Geno put random characters in here
 

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I gotta say. Now that multiple scum factions are a probability I'm much more wary of this chat than before. I don't think we'd have a 5 man chat with 3 factions into play. Now might be a good moment to consider if scum can talk about this chat on the scum thread.
 

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I honestly can't really contribute much to the discussions about what happened in the previous game with Las Plagas, I would literally need to go read through 100 pages of another game or something lol.

All I know is what you all have said and what I told you, which is that shortly after night actions locked, I got a PM saying I had been infected with it.
 

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And also that the item I won doesn't have anything to do with it, that's pretty much all I have so far. I don't know what danger it could pose or what will happen to us, so I can't really speculate like you all are about what this means I guess.
 

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I'm still dealing with my meeting so I won't be able to focus on the game until during my lunch break or after work. I can respond to the Las Plagas stuff though.

It seems now that the infection wasn't random and that most characters that were in the previous game were infected. That does make Fanto look a bit more suspicious in that case since all of us were, but I don't think it automatically means he's the culprit.

Someone suggested earlier that there might be a neutral out there that will be our downfall, but I don't think they would be in here because that'd be too easy for them to achieve their goal. If there is a threat, I think they maybe be outside this group, but there is also a possibility that again the members for this group were random? I'm not entirely sure that's true since game balancing and all that, but it's still a possibility...

The only other reason I can think of why Fanto would be here is if her flavor would fit well with the Illuminati as someone who wants to keep the world safe but I'm not going to flavor fish to find out. Either way, it's one more mystery to solve.

I honestly can't really contribute much to the discussions about what happened in the previous game with Las Plagas, I would literally need to go read through 100 pages of another game or something lol.

All I know is what you all have said and what I told you, which is that shortly after night actions locked, I got a PM saying I had been infected with it.

I basically summarized what happened with the Las Plagas last game last night with Fando, but the Las Plagas stuff was only in the last part of the game around when Fando died.
 

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I also honestly wouldn't be surprised if Wesker was one of the playable flavors to come back since it's pretty hard to kill the dude in general XD but I'm wondering if it's someone else that's the culprit this time. Either way it's weird speculation.

Like I said, I'll look more into the game when I get the chance. Keep up the fight good guys!
 

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I'm still dealing with my meeting so I won't be able to focus on the game until during my lunch break or after work. I can respond to the Las Plagas stuff though.

It seems now that the infection wasn't random and that most characters that were in the previous game were infected. That does make Fanto look a bit more suspicious in that case since all of us were, but I don't think it automatically means he's the culprit.

Someone suggested earlier that there might be a neutral out there that will be our downfall, but I don't think they would be in here because that'd be too easy for them to achieve their goal. If there is a threat, I think they maybe be outside this group, but there is also a possibility that again the members for this group were random? I'm not entirely sure that's true since game balancing and all that, but it's still a possibility...

The only other reason I can think of why Fanto would be here is if her flavor would fit well with the Illuminati as someone who wants to keep the world safe but I'm not going to flavor fish to find out. Either way, it's one more mystery to solve.



I basically summarized what happened with the Las Plagas last game last night with Fando, but the Las Plagas stuff was only in the last part of the game around when Fando died.
But what we do have was how it was used in the first game which might be relevant since this is a direct sequel I guess.

The Virus was caused by Albert Wesker in the first game who was LP. He started out as town but in a certain number of days he turned neutral with the wincon of infecting everybody. But you, Neeks, and him got eaten by Muffin so nothing really happened with it until you all came back.

LP had an ability to infect players (which ended up killing you immediately lol) but the other condition was that anyone who interacted with an infected player would become one as well.

My theory was that we would all be infected but you didn't speak up and Fanto didn't mention anything so I thought maybe it was just random. However since Fanto is infected, I'm wondering if that happened because someone infected him (either one of us in the thread or another player controlling the ability) orrr the more likely which is that Fanto got infected because he shares a chat with us LOL.
Ok, so from what I can tell then, this worked completely differently in the first game, right?

So LP was Wesker, turned into a Neutral, and infected people.

In this game, 4 of you started out by being infected, and now I received a message saying I was infected.

This doesn't seem similar to me at all, other than the name "Las Plagas"

Sorry if I can't really help with this stuff, I just don't really know what to say about it I guess. I'm not infecting anyone, I'm Town and not Neutral, and there is nothing in my Role PM or any other message I got saying that I will switch alignments.

It's literally just a mystery to me, and I need more information about what Las Plagas does in this game, and who if anyone is able to interact with that mechanic, before I can really speculate about what's going on in this game with it.
 

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You are right Fanto that this one seems to be working a bit differently, but that's because it's basically a sequel to the last game.

The characters that started out infected were characters there at the end of the last game that got infected and now you are as well. That's all we basically know for now.

Also the infection doesn't change your alignment or anything as far as we know, it's just means we have some weird mechanic attached to us, until we find out what it's for.

I guess the only way to test whether our virus can infect others we interact with is via interacting others but aside from that we just won't know until we have more information.
 

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Fran and Stu feel very odd this game. Stu is avoiding posting much of his feelings on all the players and instead asking questions to specific people and keeping the attention off of him.

and Fran is playing very hostile. he’s saying people are looking scummy when the posts he’s talking about he’s reaching at most...

I've been suspicious of Fran for a while though that reasoning was more on a gut feeling, I think part of it is because he has mostly focused on people I'm town reading as suspicious.

Stu has had a weird voting history and he is def giving me weird vibes.

I gotta say. Now that multiple scum factions are a probability I'm much more wary of this chat than before. I don't think we'd have a 5 man chat with 3 factions into play. Now might be a good moment to consider if scum can talk about this chat on the scum thread.

Like I said earlier if it turns out scum could talk about us from the beginning I'll say I told you so, because that was one of my main concerns. The infection talk has been out of the bag since the beginning, but we definitely need to be careful what we discuss in here so as to not potentially give scum any information.

Also I still really like my theory that all the players were divided up into factions secretly and we are just one of them with the possible more than one mafia teams as other groups, along with some town or neutral ones. XD I'll be so smug if I'm right.
 

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Wow I'm gone for a few hours and you guys are pretty quiet apparently. XD I was honestly surprised not to see a single comment when I got here.
 

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Neat. I'm still catching up in the thread, but I will be making posts soon and will either post more tonight or in the morning before work. Tomorrow is my long day at work so I will maybe not be around for EOD as my lunch time is 1:30 (an hour and a half after it ends) Either way at lunch I'll try and catch up and message you guys to discuss what happened.

Depending on how tired when I get off at 8pm tomorrow night will decide how active I am during that evening, but if I am too tired I'll go to bed and get up early so I can at least do some digging before day start.

That's the plan at least 8D I'll mention this in the thread at least XD
 
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