Scum Thread Vampires, vampires, vampires... and some other folks, oh my!
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Ty4on
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Yeah, I’m beating myself up over not being as active as I’d hoped today. I took the week off to hit the beach, haha. I was planning on finding a stronger town lynch train to really push, but I didn’t have the time.
I honestly wanted to play more with Sawneeks, but we gotta make Sorian’s death count.
I’ll go back home Saturday, and then I’ll put in the work again.
I honestly wanted to play more with Sawneeks, but we gotta make Sorian’s death count.
I’ll go back home Saturday, and then I’ll put in the work again.
Good luck :(
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Will miss you Sorian!!!
An ordinary goon was the best way to go though. We couldn't really do much under the circumstances given that pretty much all the vote contenders were PRs lol. I'm just annoyed I didn't get a chance to truly bus Sorian!
But I'm sure people will see his role, and realize that he was bussable. People are likely to look at the votes for Sorian. Ty was the only one on him. That could be bad, but could be a weapon too.
At least Ty didn't get voted... Let's get our rb on!
An ordinary goon was the best way to go though. We couldn't really do much under the circumstances given that pretty much all the vote contenders were PRs lol. I'm just annoyed I didn't get a chance to truly bus Sorian!
But I'm sure people will see his role, and realize that he was bussable. People are likely to look at the votes for Sorian. Ty was the only one on him. That could be bad, but could be a weapon too.
At least Ty didn't get voted... Let's get our rb on!
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
No worries Brazil! Things could have gone a lot worse. Plus now we have a plethora of PRs to choose from :D
How likely is it that LP chooses Nicole again? Does he believe she's a commuter?
Basically, do we really think he'll go for Saw? Saw hasn't really been gunning for any of us so it would be nice to have her stick around. But the possibility of a double kill is tempting...
Killing gog tonight would basically 'confirm' that scum has an investigative power. Not sure if that's good or not. It would definitely have a 'wow' factor lol.
How likely is it that LP chooses Nicole again? Does he believe she's a commuter?
Basically, do we really think he'll go for Saw? Saw hasn't really been gunning for any of us so it would be nice to have her stick around. But the possibility of a double kill is tempting...
Killing gog tonight would basically 'confirm' that scum has an investigative power. Not sure if that's good or not. It would definitely have a 'wow' factor lol.
Ty4on
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It's Sorian's idea, he can't really explain himself now :P
I get his thinking though. L_P didn't feel like giving out the name which does make it seem like he maybe thought he could use that to save himself.
Blargonaut
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well I'm back
...
I fell asleep before Day-end
Probably could've saved Sorian
hmm.
...
I fell asleep before Day-end
Probably could've saved Sorian
hmm.
Blargonaut
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We might miss
Blargonaut
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Okay so what's on the table:
Girlofgotham -> Jack-o'-All-Trades
SweetNicole -> Bulletproof? or Commuter? (I'm thinking Bulletproof, as she claimed it was an "immunity to be activated", and especially if LP's a Hider since that means he's got a lock on that evasion-type real estate)
Lone_Prodigy -> Hider?
Fran -> Celebrity? (although I'm less inclined to believe Fran is anything at all; he didn't really claim more than blurt a hypothetical "What if I could prove myself to you")
Girlofgotham -> Jack-o'-All-Trades
SweetNicole -> Bulletproof? or Commuter? (I'm thinking Bulletproof, as she claimed it was an "immunity to be activated", and especially if LP's a Hider since that means he's got a lock on that evasion-type real estate)
Lone_Prodigy -> Hider?
Fran -> Celebrity? (although I'm less inclined to believe Fran is anything at all; he didn't really claim more than blurt a hypothetical "What if I could prove myself to you")
Ty4on
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Hiders cannot be killed directly
Ty4on
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I think they're sort of lined this way. Both cannot be commuter style so if we find one to be that means the other isn't. A hider and commuter is super OP lol, but LP could also be a lying weak cop.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Ah ok. How certain are we that he hid with Saw on N1?
If we're not using our strong kill, I vote Blarg does the kill given he's our next most expendable person.
GoG seems like the best rb target, right?
Ty4on
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L_P left a pretty obvious crumb at the end of D1
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3291126/
I agree with blocking GoG so far
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Yep that seems pretty convincing. Thanks for the work @Ty4on !!
I think a regular kill should work fine for this, and we can save the strong kill for Nicole/GoG.
The only thing to consider is: will Brazil definitely survive D4? Seemed like there was some bloodlust for him at the end of D3, but tbh I only skimmed it so not sure. I will re-read and see what I think the atmosphere for next day phase will be.
One of us should definitely try to get on an early bus next time lol. But hopefully scum doesn't get lynched D4.
The other thing about lynching Saw is that it puts turmoil and GoG in the limelight (but who knows, people totally ignored that Vere was tunneling me...). If Saw flips vanilla though, her reads might be scrutinized more.
I think a regular kill should work fine for this, and we can save the strong kill for Nicole/GoG.
The only thing to consider is: will Brazil definitely survive D4? Seemed like there was some bloodlust for him at the end of D3, but tbh I only skimmed it so not sure. I will re-read and see what I think the atmosphere for next day phase will be.
One of us should definitely try to get on an early bus next time lol. But hopefully scum doesn't get lynched D4.
The other thing about lynching Saw is that it puts turmoil and GoG in the limelight (but who knows, people totally ignored that Vere was tunneling me...). If Saw flips vanilla though, her reads might be scrutinized more.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
killing, not lynching lol
I think I’m... fine? I don’t think anyone’s out to get me yet. I’m safer than Ty, for example.
Ty4on
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You and Brazil IMO seem to be the most likely to survive till the end. The total attention on you isn't that great, you've never really been a taking point like me and Sorian were yesterday.
Blarg is sort of a wildcard because you never really know how town is going to respond. Right now it's going slightly negative, but it may change and I think the most important aspect is how much town focuses on him.
Blargonaut
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yeah I feel I'm going to be a Bad topic soon, especially with Gorlak laying the heat on me. I know I haven't exactly graced the game room with my helpfulness so far
Blargonaut
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yes, after Sorian's demise, they'll never expect me to CONTINUE being blase
Blargonaut
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ahaha
Blargonaut
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alright before I get to it, I sincerely do appreciate all of you carrying me Yesterday
major thanks <3
major thanks <3
Blargonaut
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notes:
- I have a feeling Ty4on's gonna hit Badly Tomorrow, with the punch of suspicion. Dunno why exactly, just a vibe I'm getting in general
- I don't think attacking Sawneeks in the hopes we'll collateral LP, is a good idea conclusively. She dies; we end up with 2 distinct instances in which LP is soft-confirmed as Town OR Town suspects LP as the one who actually killed her (as in, Hider!LP is just a ruse by which to attack others with impunity)... I mean, the latter is something we can manipulate, sure, but the former's gonna fuck us up. Don't wanna risk the creation of these timelines, personally
- I have a feeling Ty4on's gonna hit Badly Tomorrow, with the punch of suspicion. Dunno why exactly, just a vibe I'm getting in general
- I don't think attacking Sawneeks in the hopes we'll collateral LP, is a good idea conclusively. She dies; we end up with 2 distinct instances in which LP is soft-confirmed as Town OR Town suspects LP as the one who actually killed her (as in, Hider!LP is just a ruse by which to attack others with impunity)... I mean, the latter is something we can manipulate, sure, but the former's gonna fuck us up. Don't wanna risk the creation of these timelines, personally
Blargonaut
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former is the former in former and latter, right?
Blargonaut
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Let's leave LP and Sawneeks alone for now. In the chance LP was bluffing about his Sawneeks called shot Tonight, and he goes about Hiding behind someone else, there's always the chance he Hides behind one of us and kills himself
Thereby implicating Sawneeks as Mafia
yes
Thereby implicating Sawneeks as Mafia
yes
Blargonaut
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So I'd indeed suggest thinning the PR kine
Blargonaut
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hmm
He hid behind Sawneeks on N1 and survived, though. She wouldn’t be implicated.
Blargonaut
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Yeah, I'd say it's a fairly common and reasonable item to be in a JOAT's arsenal. Especially since one of us is Strong, it would make sense for someone to be BP and a JOAT being that BP is likely
We should use our Strong-kill on Gog
Blargonaut
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Blargonaut
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hey I've got an idea
How about
We ignore all these PRs
And we just go straight for the Top Post Count jugular
figuratively
literally
How about
We ignore all these PRs
And we just go straight for the Top Post Count jugular
figuratively
literally
Blargonaut
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I mean, boy I'd sure love to end Gorlak
yep
yep
Blargonaut
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brb checking what Powers our team has
Blargonaut
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oh okay
ALIVE:
Odd Roleblocker
Even Role Detective
2-shot Stronger
Goon
DEAD:
Goon
ALIVE:
Odd Roleblocker
Even Role Detective
2-shot Stronger
Goon
DEAD:
Goon
Blargonaut
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and this is... Night 3?
So we can't use our Role Detective right now? bleh
So we can't use our Role Detective right now? bleh
Blargonaut
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so...
Ty4on -> ROLEBLOCK: SweetNicole
and
Brazil -> STRONGKILL: Girlofgotham
?
Ty4on -> ROLEBLOCK: SweetNicole
and
Brazil -> STRONGKILL: Girlofgotham
?
Blargonaut
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I mean, as much as I'd love to get a double-kill from the whole LP-Saw sitch, I cannot envision a world in which wait wait wait
so LP Hid behind Sawneeks N1, alleged as per that breadcrumb
and he apparently Hid behind SweetNicole N2, as per his D3-end comments
wait so when did LP say he was gonna hide behind Sawneeks (again) Tonight?
so LP Hid behind Sawneeks N1, alleged as per that breadcrumb
and he apparently Hid behind SweetNicole N2, as per his D3-end comments
wait so when did LP say he was gonna hide behind Sawneeks (again) Tonight?
Blargonaut
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Did he breadcrumb his N3 target anywhere?
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
At the end of D3 LP basically refused to divulge who he hid behind on D1, despite many urgings from town (because, what's better than one confirmed townie? Two!). This leads us scum to believe that he didn't what to tell because he wants to hide behind this first target again. It's a safe place. Hiding behind Nicole again would be risky for him, because now that she's been outed as confirmed townie, she is a scum NK target (which would mean LP dies too).
Ty4on
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We have killed the doctor so we don't need to use the strong kill
SweetNicole has crumbed having a bulletproof ability so we need to save the strongkill for her
Yeah
I ran this through my brain a bit as I was falling asleep and I feel like this still makes sense. L_P is reluctant to to mention her because he wants to reuse that spot. It seems a bit extreme to wanna save Saw this badly, but she is so far the town leader so maybe that's why.
L_P can't really crumb his next target now that he has claimed because then we just kill them for maximum profit. If he were to pick someone else for the NK he runs the risk of hitting scum and dying.
Killing Sawneeks, just on its own, has the advantage of taking down the most talkative townie. I also think it's really worth keeping in mind that confirmed townies are priority #1 when it comes to NKs and with Nicole we're iffy about our chances of being able to kill her.
Saw is also one of the biggest enemies of Swamped and Brazil (I seem to remember Brazil, she was wanting a Swamped lynch at the end of D3 if you didn't notice) both of which are reasonably town read by the rest and stand a pretty good chance of surviving till much later so I think it's beneficial long term.
It sucks not getting Gotham and Saw is 99.99999% chance a vanilla, but Gotham is probably out of abilities and we're maybe lucky that she's not quite ready to claim her results, if she has any.
Ty4on
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99% sure no. I saw no crumb what-so-ever of his N2 target either.
Ok, so, this is L_P’s D3.
The closest thing to a N3 hideout breadcrumb he left was during early D3:
Later on, though, he seemed to have doubts about hom3land... Enough so that I don’t think he’d hide behind him. I’m not sure of what a Sorian lynch would mean for his perception of hom3land.
After his claim, he didn’t want to reveal his N1 hideout, despite multiple requests from other players:
If he had stopped here, I’d be pretty sure that he’d hide behind Sawneeks again. But...
He basically pointed out that anyone can figure out his N1 hideout. Either he’s really underestimating scum, or he’ll try to WIFOM us with Sawneeks and Nicole. Maybe he’ll try to hide behind someone he didn’t breadcrumb and test his luck.
The thing that makes me anxious here is the fact that a Hider is our worst enemy. He’ll slowly deplete our pool of options for mislynches.
The closest thing to a N3 hideout breadcrumb he left was during early D3:
Later on, though, he seemed to have doubts about hom3land... Enough so that I don’t think he’d hide behind him. I’m not sure of what a Sorian lynch would mean for his perception of hom3land.
After his claim, he didn’t want to reveal his N1 hideout, despite multiple requests from other players:
If he had stopped here, I’d be pretty sure that he’d hide behind Sawneeks again. But...
He basically pointed out that anyone can figure out his N1 hideout. Either he’s really underestimating scum, or he’ll try to WIFOM us with Sawneeks and Nicole. Maybe he’ll try to hide behind someone he didn’t breadcrumb and test his luck.
The thing that makes me anxious here is the fact that a Hider is our worst enemy. He’ll slowly deplete our pool of options for mislynches.
Ty4on
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Nicole could also be a veteran like role (shoots anyone targeting her) which L_P is maybe also speculating and afraid of re-targeting her.
Similarly she could be an NK target which he could also be scared of. Lot's of attention.
L_P is naturally terrified of accidentally picking scum. He might have a better feeling who's town after this lynch, but at the same time peeps like Fran now have a big target on their back.
Similarly she could be an NK target which he could also be scared of. Lot's of attention.
L_P is naturally terrified of accidentally picking scum. He might have a better feeling who's town after this lynch, but at the same time peeps like Fran now have a big target on their back.
Ty4on
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The Hider cannot ever crumb his target and if we can stay alive that maximizes the chances he'll accidentally hit one of us and die.
Point A: What has me continuing this line of reasoning despite that is 1: Town does seriously underestimate scum, this is a common theme along games, but more importantly 2: This seems to be his original plan so he'll be wanting to see it through instead of getting cold feet and doing something else. When you settle for a decision you're more likely to think it's good when reevaluating, this is why console fans are a thing as they've settled for something and can't be wrong.
Ty4on
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Like, he can, but then he's 100% going to die lol
Ty4on
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Goal 2: Figure out whom Gotham will shoot if she has a kill ability and if she uses it tonight.
Regardless of ability she can do damage if she's interesting in hitting one of us, but if she has a kill and goes for a townie that's really helpful for us.
One caveat kill-wise is that if either extra kill happens (and L_P is pretty likely eventually unless everybody realizes we're scum) we now need one less mislynch and will go from a lylo to mylo. Another extra kill on top of that just pushes the mylo to lylo and doesn't save us any mislynches.
Regardless of ability she can do damage if she's interesting in hitting one of us, but if she has a kill and goes for a townie that's really helpful for us.
One caveat kill-wise is that if either extra kill happens (and L_P is pretty likely eventually unless everybody realizes we're scum) we now need one less mislynch and will go from a lylo to mylo. Another extra kill on top of that just pushes the mylo to lylo and doesn't save us any mislynches.
Ty4on
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With L_P again, let's use math:
L_P targets someone randomly he finds townie. This is a pretty big pool so it's hard to say whom he may target. Additionally he may target one of us and die regardless.
L_P is interested in survival and retargets someone. Maybe not as likely seeming, but he does seem motivated to do it and more importantly the pool is much smaller so we have a higher chance of hitting here if he does.
Most importantly IMO tho, if we hit elsewhere we keep a confirmed townie alive and kill off someone who could be a mislynch target in the future. Gotham is less likely to, but I can imagine with this many claims that she'll get people skeptical of her claim.
L_P targets someone randomly he finds townie. This is a pretty big pool so it's hard to say whom he may target. Additionally he may target one of us and die regardless.
L_P is interested in survival and retargets someone. Maybe not as likely seeming, but he does seem motivated to do it and more importantly the pool is much smaller so we have a higher chance of hitting here if he does.
Most importantly IMO tho, if we hit elsewhere we keep a confirmed townie alive and kill off someone who could be a mislynch target in the future. Gotham is less likely to, but I can imagine with this many claims that she'll get people skeptical of her claim.
I favor following Sorian’s last wish.
And unless we find something in Girlofgotham’s post that indicates she has huge suspicions of a townie, we need to block her. She could end up investigating someone and confirming a townie, she could end up shooting one of us, she could end up watching Sawneeks. All kinds of nasty outcomes.
Best reasonable case scenario would be us killing Girlofgotham without having to use the strong command, and L_P dying by hiding behind one of us. But that sounds unlikely haha.
And unless we find something in Girlofgotham’s post that indicates she has huge suspicions of a townie, we need to block her. She could end up investigating someone and confirming a townie, she could end up shooting one of us, she could end up watching Sawneeks. All kinds of nasty outcomes.
Best reasonable case scenario would be us killing Girlofgotham without having to use the strong command, and L_P dying by hiding behind one of us. But that sounds unlikely haha.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
I agree with this. Also goes to show that Ty does have a point about when people have a plan they usually stick with it lol :P XD
Are you ok with this Blarg?
Hmmmm.
This is interesting.
We’ve already established that fear will lead L_P tonight. Therefore, we’re hypothesizing that he’ll look for a safe hideout. That’s either Sawneeks, Nicole... or Fran. If he hid behind Sawneeks, he’d be hiding behind a confirmed townie, but wouldn’t get any new information out of that, and it’d be a somewhat risky hideout since he confirmed he left breadcrumbs behind. He’s probably as scared of touching Nicole again as we are.
But with Fran... it’s a safe hideout, and he actually gets new info with it. He turns a 95% certainty of him being town into a 100% certainty.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
@Brazil true about Fran. We could totally target him as well, for the reason that he will likely be town read D4. He softed a PR (even though we scum don't believe it), doctor is dead so nobody should be protecting him. Is it possible that GoG has a one shot protect? I think it's unlikely given Nicole's power too (which is probably some kind of BP or commuter).
Blarg said it isn’t uncommon for JOATs to have one-shot BPs. So either GOG is BP, or Nicole is. We only have two strong kills to counter that stuff; two BPs plus a doctor would feel weird.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
I'm fairly sure LP would town read Fran after Sorian's flip: https://www.resetera.com/posts/3691309/
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that Nicole is bluffing, but her PR claim came before LP's confirmation of her. I dunno...leaning towards believing her.
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that Nicole is bluffing, but her PR claim came before LP's confirmation of her. I dunno...leaning towards believing her.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Risk a regular Fran kill? I doubt there are any more doctor-like protective powers floating around (unless there's a backup doc)
I'm still down for a Saw kill, but LP specifically said he left a breadcrumb. Nobody was really doubting his claim, so why mention that? I think there's a chance he won't hide with Saw.
Even assuming we don't get LP, I think Fran is a better kill choice than Saw, given how people might read him come D4.
I'm still down for a Saw kill, but LP specifically said he left a breadcrumb. Nobody was really doubting his claim, so why mention that? I think there's a chance he won't hide with Saw.
Even assuming we don't get LP, I think Fran is a better kill choice than Saw, given how people might read him come D4.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Let's not kill Saw. Her votes at the end of D3 can be construed to be super fishy, like she was trying to save Sorian, with that last minute vote on homeland. Plus this post makes it look like she 'could vote Sorian, but nahhh'.
I have a feeling D4 will be super fun. Tough for us, but fun. Things have been too smooth sailing so far.
I have a feeling D4 will be super fun. Tough for us, but fun. Things have been too smooth sailing so far.
Ty4on
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This is exactly why he wouldn't. Fran isn't really new information if that's what he's after. Fran is a really "obvious" night kill target too.
If he targeted the safest townies he wouldn't have gone Saw and Nicole IMO. He's after something when targeting normally.
Ty4on
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@heymonkey @cabot pls don't change rules in the middle of the game. It creates wifom. I'm now genuinely wondering if LP of waffling in the PMs :P
Emoji for softening because I'm a bit square when it comes to moderator's role, not because I'm joking.
Emoji for softening because I'm a bit square when it comes to moderator's role, not because I'm joking.
But weren’t you saying he’ll probably go for Saw? That’d give him nothing new.
Ty4on
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Yes, but it's relatively safe. Fran in comparison has everyone's eyes on him because he was the main factor in today's lynch.
If he decides to go outside Saw I don't think he's going to target Fran in hopes of A: getting new information and B: being able to avoid the NK.
Ty4on
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The shot is only hypothetical. Our role PM calls out our criteria for winning being "when you control 50% of the votes" which hints at no non-mafia killing roles.
Hmm. But if the last thing you said in a Day phase was publically pointing in the direction of your preferred hideout choice, wouldn’t you reconsider?
I see what you’re saying, but ughh hahaha
How? I’m missing something :o
Either way, we need @Blargonaut here to send the command.
Ty4on
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I think Saw is a better kill regardless TBH
Nicole bothers me because I can see her being a veteran who may kill us. I can also see her as a weird third party that will exit the game regardless, maybe.
Ty4on
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Don't overthink. This is all wifom and we have no way of reliably knowing whom LP will target.
I chose Saw because Sorian pointed it out, while it was a snap decision on his part he has been very successful with night actions. Additionally she's a confirmed townie, arguably the best townie in this game and most likely has zero protection tonight with the doctor down.
I chose Saw because Sorian pointed it out, while it was a snap decision on his part he has been very successful with night actions. Additionally she's a confirmed townie, arguably the best townie in this game and most likely has zero protection tonight with the doctor down.
Ty4on
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It's almost impossible for the targeting of Saw to be bad and the pool of possible LP targets is really big. Saw flipping vanilla town puts the spotlight on none of us (maaaybe Swamped if they really look at it) and takes out some discussion. I hypothesize it will possibly add to Fran's narrative that Sorian was the scum town leader and with him down scum can focus on the leaders.
If LP feels like hunting around that also means he risks hitting one of us. So it's win win. If he clears Fran who cares, not like he's going to be lynched any time soon lol
If LP feels like hunting around that also means he risks hitting one of us. So it's win win. If he clears Fran who cares, not like he's going to be lynched any time soon lol
That last part is very much true.