Scum Thread Vampires, vampires, vampires... and some other folks, oh my!

Swamped

Swamped

Dazzling Mafia Queen
@NeverScum Truly wishing you the best possible outcome. What a horrible and scary situation to be in.

@others Hello scummies. I'm an even night role cop. Looking forward to getting to know you all a bit better! And then bus you.
 
Sorian

Sorian

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Swamped and I are mafia? I feel like anyone who wants to randomly guess at a vig shot is going to win a prize.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Lots of justification, but sorta in a "why don't you get it" kinda way. She isn't feeling pressured.
 
Swamped

Swamped

Dazzling Mafia Queen
I think you're doing fine Ty!

I agree, Saw might be ordinary.

It's still super early in the game, but I'm keeping an eye out for people I can rolecop. Also I'm sure town must have a motion detector of some sort?
 
Swamped

Swamped

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Oh, just to be clear, am I right in thinking town doesn't necessarily know that vampires are the mafia? I mean, I guess it's fairly obvious from the title (good guys are the slayers)
 
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NeverScum

Good news everyone! It is looking like a case of aplastic anemia, which basically means her bone marrow was being surpressed due to a viral infection she had. She is going to be getting a blood transfusion over the next 48hrs and will likely be out of the hospital in a few days. It's not a common occurence but something they see often enough that they aren't worried and have reassured us that we shouldn't be either.
 
Swamped

Swamped

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NeverScum said:
Good news everyone! It is looking like a case of aplastic anemia, which basically means her bone marrow was being surpressed due to a viral infection she had. She is going to be getting a blood transfusion over the next 48hrs and will likely be out of the hospital in a few days. It's not a common occurence but something they see often enough that they aren't worried and have reassured us that we shouldn't be either.
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Thank God it's something treatable! Wishing her a speedy recovery.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Brazil said:
I like her already.

I'm not sure about her being a PR, though. Wouldn't a newbie PR be more careful?
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Her first post was kinda careful though. It's clearly edited from the messed up quotes and this sentence:
To be honest with you all I thought I will not be able to decide who to vote for especially the first day but boy was I wrong.
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"I thought I" is clearly edited. The latter part looks edited too.
 
Sorian

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Include just seems like a hot head in general. I don't think there's anything really pointing to a role there yet. She's willing to just run at the mouth regardless of role. I was the same way.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Sorian said:
Include just seems like a hot head in general. I don't think there's anything really pointing to a role there yet. She's willing to just run at the mouth regardless of role. I was the same way.
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Yeah, I think I agree with you there.

I wrote that as the first thing when I woke up, but she kept at it and it seems like he posting style.

Going hard in on you and Terra kinda seems more vanilla aligned actually unless she's afraid of being viewed as too cautious.
 
Swamped

Swamped

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Sorian said:
Include just seems like a hot head in general. I don't think there's anything really pointing to a role there yet. She's willing to just run at the mouth regardless of role. I was the same way.
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Yeah I think you're right. Although it is weird how she is doubling down on the neutral thing (saying Saw is neutral). Maybe she has more information that she lets on. Would a complete newbie to mafia even bring up the possibility of a neutral?

I mean, this game probably does have neutrals - I guess werewolves or something. So maybe it is just an educated guess based on source material or something.
 
Sorian

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Were we all vampires? I wasn't paying attention. I'm some dude named Colin or something (if I'm way off, I hope monkey is upset :P)
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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I'm:
Welcome to Sunnydale High!

This is Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia (High School Edition) and you are aligned with mafia.

You are Richard Wilkins III, a Mayor. You’re the Mayor, and you’ve been Mayor for a very long time, and while you’re focused on your Ascension, you’re still in control, just a little distracted.

You are an odd-night roleblocker. On odd nights, you may PM Dr. Monkey and/or cabot with OVERSEE: <Player> to prevent that player taking an action.

The factional kill command is KILL: <Playername>. You may also vote as normal with the VOTE: <Playername> command.

Your teammates are Devastatingly Strange, Benghis Khan, Brazil, and Sorian. The scum thread can be found here: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/104/

You win when you and your teammates control 50% of the votes.

Good luck!
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Brazil

Brazil

Well, then here's mine:

Welcome to Sunnydale High!

This is Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia (High School Edition) and you are aligned with mafia.

You are The Master, an Ancient Vampire. You have a name, but no one would dare use it because you are the baddest vamp around (and the ugliest; sorry).

You are a 2-shot Strong Killer.

Twice per game, you may PM me STRONG: <Playername> and rip through any defenses that player name have. You may not use your ability and the factional kill command in the same night.

The factional kill command is KILL: <Playername>. You may also vote as normal with the VOTE: <Playername> command.

Your teammates are Devastatingly Strange, Benghis Khan, Ty4on, and Sorian. The scum thread can be found here: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/104/

You win when you and your teammates control 50% of the votes.

Good luck!
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Sorian

Sorian

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Btw, just in case I die randomly. The proper way to play a 2-shot strong is use it N1 and then save the last shot for when you absolutely need to blow through a PR.

Obviously exceptions to the rule and definitely use it if you think Brazil is going to need to be bussed the next day or something.
 
Brazil

Brazil

Sorian said:
Btw, just in case I die randomly. The proper way to play a 2-shot strong is use it N1 and then save the last shot for when you absolutely need to blow through a PR.

Obviously exceptions to the rule and definitely use it if you think Brazil is going to need to be bussed the next day or something.
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Thanks for the tip. I was wondering about that myself earlier.
 
Sorian

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No point in figuring out who to target now, let's wait for role claim dumps at day end that could happen.
 
Swamped

Swamped

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Well, here's my PM since we are all sharing!

Welcome to Sunnydale High!

This is Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia (High School Edition) and you are aligned with mafia.

You are Drusilla, a Seer. A not-very-funny thing happened to you on the way to the nunnery: Angelus, who butchered your family, drove you to the brink, and then turned you into a vampire. At least you get to lead an endless unlife of nihilistic joy, right? Silver lining.

You can detect powers, but it’s not always easy for everyone around you to understand your prophecy and divination, so you can only use your power on even-numbered night phases.

You are a Even-Night Role Cop.

Every other night, beginning night two, you may PM me SEE: <Playername> and receive information on the target’s role.

The factional kill command is KILL: <Playername>. You may also vote as normal with the VOTE: <Playername> command.

Your teammates are Benghis Khan, Ty4on, Brazil, and Sorian. The scum thread can be found here: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/104/

You win when you and your teammates control 50% of the votes.

Good luck!
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Sorian

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It's funny that the role PM is written vaguely enough that you could construe it that you could skip night 2 and then become odd numbered by starting night 3
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Benghis Khan said:
I'll try to post more in the next few hours, been very busy :(
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Don't worry, I don't think they bite :P

It's a little harder in Australia to keep up, but the next hours were quite high activity yesterday so you might catch some conversation.

I may fall a sleep in the next few hours.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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@Swamped this reply to sawneeks seems to me like it can bring you up a few places in her standings.

Your DC read is strong, show her why.
DC is genuine, he isn't worried about admitting he's nervous and it doesn't look like a team is backing him.

Get a good read of saw and read her intentions. She knows herself the best.

You got it
 
Brazil

Brazil

Also, maybe I fucked up by antagonizing her. Her post has 0 consistency, but her broken links are helping her case.
 
Swamped

Swamped

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Ty4on said:
@Swamped this reply to sawneeks seems to me like it can bring you up a few places in her standings.

Your DC read is strong, show her why.
DC is genuine, he isn't worried about admitting he's nervous and it doesn't look like a team is backing him.

Get a good read of saw and read her intentions. She knows herself the best.

You got it
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Thanks Ty :]
 
Swamped

Swamped

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Brazil said:
Also, maybe I fucked up by antagonizing her. Her post has 0 consistency, but her broken links are helping her case.
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Aww well it sounds like everything is now resolved.

And yeah, the broken links do help...nobody will bother finding the actual posts. Still, I don't think she really convinced anyone to vote for you. Even she hasn't changed her vote.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Brazil said:
Also, maybe I fucked up by antagonizing her. Her post has 0 consistency, but her broken links are helping her case.
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I'm speaking really generalized here, but startling staying reasonably calm and collected can really help elevate you to the sane side in people's minds.

Her case is also flimsy af lol

It's maybe too much of a pipe dream, but I feel like Include continuing to tinfoil townies can be helpful in throwing town off until she's lynched.
 
Sorian

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As someone who just caught up, the whole thing between you and Include reads as NAI garbage. Already blown over.
 
Swamped

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Sorian said:
As someone who just caught up, the whole thing between you and Include reads as NAI garbage. Already blown over.
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I think Sawneeks was like "you're both town!"

Hmm I wonder if this vote on Flush is ok. I think Vere and Splinter could join in maybe?
 
Sorian

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I've already set up Flush a bit and Splinter bit into it so I could see him going for it and I can switch pretty easy and be fine in a day end situation.
 
Sorian

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Push me on why I brought it up? Go for it, I already said I had issue with his silence yesterday and even brought up homeland at that time too so it all connects.
 
Sorian

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I've reached a weird level where I know exactly what to say to be on auto pilot for the first couple days. Town or scum, it doesn't matter until like day 3 :P
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Feel free to criticize my play BTW if anything sticks out

I post that self-deprecating shit partly because I wanna be better. I don't want that to discourage anyone.
 
Sorian

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I haven't noticed anything odd about your play tbh, I don't think I'd even be commenting on you yet from town perspective.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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As Stanley points out DC looks kinda like a PR so there could be a last minute claim.

We're still needing a few fake claims. Our roles seem hint at a protector of some sort so maybe avoid that. Would a cop claim be too stupid? Maybe something tracker-like? I'm bad at this :P
 
Brazil

Brazil

Ty4on said:
As Stanley points out DC looks kinda like a PR so there could be a last minute claim.

We're still needing a few fake claims. Our roles seem hint at a protector of some sort so maybe avoid that. Would a cop claim be too stupid? Maybe something tracker-like? I'm bad at this :P
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Are roleblocking roles like ours usually made to counter vig-type roles, or tracking ones?
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Brazil said:
Are roleblocking roles like ours usually made to counter vig-type roles, or tracking ones?
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Roleblocking kinda counters anything. They are helpful in stopping a claimed PR from functioning. Our blocker is neutered though from being odd night only.
 
Sorian

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Yeah roleblocker is kind of the go to counter for anything.

Fake claims really aren't that necessary. Vanilla is always a fine option and claiming investigative when you are under a mountain will almost always buy you another day or two. At the end of the day, you just always want to avoid the basics, there's a reason why town hooker and weak cop worked so well. As long as no one can counter claim you then they have to accept it or make an uncomfortable choice.
 
Brazil

Brazil

Ty4on said:
Roleblocking kinda counters anything. They are helpful in stopping a claimed PR from functioning. Our blocker is neutered though from being odd night only.
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Oh, I know. What I'm trying to do is get inside the gamerunner's head.

If we had a passive, faction-wide BP, that would mean the other sides have a vig-type role.
If we had a framer/godfather, that would mean the other sides have an investigate role.
Since we have a roleblocker, they possibly have both? <- is what I'm asking
 
Brazil

Brazil

But, yeah, I guess Sorian's right. Since this isn't role madness, I guess we could just claim vanilla, unless the planets align and we can come up with a bigger plan depending on the flips we end up getting.
 
Swamped

Swamped

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I guess I could always go with my role cop claim. We've had town aligned role cops in the past.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Our roles are so weak I don't think town has that much like Sorian first said. Either a weak or possibly no investigation roles. How likely do you feel a straight up cop is? I feel like we're kinda unprepared if there's also some protection.
 
Sorian

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Ty4on said:
Our roles are so weak I don't think town has that much like Sorian first said. Either a weak or possibly no investigation roles. How likely do you feel a straight up cop is? I feel like we're kinda unprepared if there's also some protection.
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I don't expect a straight cop at all tbh.
 
Sorian

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He actually did claim at a good time. He was coasting into an easy vote and if he's not here to defend himself then he did it right. He's probably the best kill tonight too barring other new info.
 
Brazil

Brazil

Sorian said:
He actually did claim at a good time. He was coasting into an easy vote and if he's not here to defend himself then he did it right. He's probably the best kill tonight too barring other new info.
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I hadn't noticed what he said about being away for the Day end. Yeah, it makes sense.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Brazil said:
How I've missed these last hour voting sprees.
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It's almost boring. I want it to end and see what townie is lynched :P

I like it's going rac tbh. We're not losing a power house, but it's low info and a lot of the other vote candidates would release pressure if they were to flip.
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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thank you kyan for twisting my argument into why a townie still is scum <3

(scummy town is still town)
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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Brazil said:
girlofgotham going would be the best thing, as she'd go without a single scum vote on her. But eh.
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Don't worry too much about that. They still have to find the scum and they're going to focus on the other wagons too.

With all town wagons, if they find out, the votes are all void and NAI. No scum is being saved
 
Ty4on

Ty4on

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I should bring up scumputer tomorrow!

[...] The base assumption is that any significant wagon has some, but not all, of the scum on it, and that the scum are at least randomly distributed.

This analysis method can be beaten by violating its basic assumption. It will perform suboptimally if every member of a scumteam is on a wagon, and perform even worse if every member of a scumteam is off the wagon.
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