Pair Thread Marvel Heroes Lover's Chat - Reed Screwed Up

[Sorian]

Welcome to the Lover's Chat!

I'll start by confirming that you two received the exact same role PM, there are no weird shenanigans. I will report here if anything should happen to your BP.

Good luck and have fun!

 

[Sorian]

@EzekelRAGE and @heymonkey should now have access to this thread. You are free to post here starting now about whatever you'd like.

 

[heymonkey]

Hi, lover. Let’s try not to die. :)

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Hello

 

[heymonkey]

Oh, wait, I just paid attention to @Sorian's first post. We are the same character?? Or everything is the same but the name? Because we're not like lover-lovers obviously, from the sample PM in the game thread. XD

 

[Sorian]

Sorry, no, you aren't the same character. You're Sue Storm and Ezekel is Tony Stark. I just meant the details of your PMs were the exact same.

 

[heymonkey]

Damn, Sue has a type.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[Sorian]

Damn, Sue has a type.

Thanks for the clarification!

These were all rolled randomly but I have to admit, I did have a good laugh when I saw which two ended up as lovers.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

As it stands keeping my eye on ynn and coolest.

Cool - putting out info to hint they have a pr and confirming it

Ynn - questioning cool about pr and possibly getting one outted.

 

[heymonkey]

Coolest may just be acting like Coolest, but I'll keep an eye.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Oh, is cool like blarg?

 

[heymonkey]

No, Cool is... not so thoughtful, I think.

I might get a little rowdy and silly today but don't worry, the chances I'll get lynched are like... .7. I have the twin gifts of life and rhetoric.

 

[heymonkey]

I thought the events weren’t starting until tomorrow. Oh well. It’ll give us some fodder to discuss.

 

[Sorian]

Just the ITAs were day 2. The events never had stipulations except grace periods for the first and last two hours of each day.

 

[heymonkey]

Ah, okay.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Leaning towards cool or very. Vere due to responses from being grilled.

Cool due to I’m not used to playing with him and his play so far seems off. I noticed the “my team” part of his post but didn’t say anything. Wanted to see who would point it out, try to defend him etc. if he flips scum, could help. Idk, not really much to go on except the obvious atm.

 

[heymonkey]

I'm totally fine with seeing Coolest go; he's done some big distracting things before and that could be troubling in this game so it might be an interesting d1 lynch regardless to see how people land.

I'm not feeling great about Grizzly. Poor Stuart had a real bad time in his last game, his first as town, and he's sweating clear townie vibes and Grizzly is sharp enough to see that even if some others may miss it.

 

[heymonkey]

This is an interesting in-thread development: forced thunderdome between melon and Splinter.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Think I’m going to add splinter in with vere and cool. splinterIirc he was one of the ones defending cool. After skimming send his only defense so far has been this isn’t a town friendly power. Should be off work for a week for next day phase so I can look at things more closely.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I found the no Lynch bandwagon weird too.

 

[heymonkey]

I found a lot of the votes shady as hell. Gorlak refusing to look at the problems with his own position bugs me but now that the thunderdome is over I really do want to keep looking hard at Grizzly, too.

did Splinter strike you as just odd or potentially scummy? Jury's out for me - his town read on melon felt pure but the rest, not sure. Splinter's one I have to see more from first.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

assuming I am able to post during ita on day 2. Goin for Kawl off GP.

 

[heymonkey]

I'm for it. If I get an ITA day 2, I'll go for a low poster just to help cull some of the unknowns.

 

[heymonkey]

Or Geno. Possibly Geno.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

So it seems like Grizzly threw in the towel when the voting first went down, shitposting etc. making more ppl vote for him
Then at some point decided to fight for himself, probably due to prodding by fellow scum, only it was too late?
Why did he give up so quick?

 

[heymonkey]

Dunno. Maybe to give fellow scum good reasons to bus or not regardless. But I have a feeling our bp goes tonight.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Still think we need a kawl flip. His play at the end of the day about claiming TD was during Grizz vote. Didn't really deter from grizz though. Idk.
Terraforce made note of a train forming on Grizz.
Ynnek,Nin,Geno,hecht,apollo,crimsonfist,faircure,gorlak,polt, muffin were some of the last votes for grizz. Wouldn't be surprised if there were scum or two in there. ill be able to look closer at their interactions Friday evening, wn I get home.

 

[heymonkey]

I think those are good targets. I think Stuart also isn’t cleared. There may be shenanigans there.

But hey! We lived and scum died. High five.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

High five

 

[heymonkey]

We’re here! Here’s hoping we are still BP.

 

[Sorian]

You still have your BP, I'll notify you when that changes :P

 

[heymonkey]

WOOOO

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Man that splinter shot. Lol. Was prepared to defend it when it missed. Has that post set up like 15 min b4 deadline, refreshing every minute w8in for Sorian. He played being in the TD up too much.

 

[heymonkey]

Holy shit, we are on fire. Nice work, lover.

 

[heymonkey]

I don’t think melon is scum, though. Still catching up.

 

[heymonkey]

welcome back, lover!

I am not at all averse to you pushing on melon because I do think she's acting a bit weird but do take care not to get shot if we can avoid it!

 

[EzekelRAGE]

ok

 

[heymonkey]

So I dunno if it makes a difference to you but I have a lot of history with Natiko so I'll check into him more closely but I'm not scumreading him at this time.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I was just throwing that out there. Could be nothing but him goin so hard against the possibility of melon being scum raised a flag for me. Especially since he was the first for a no lynch in the TD or abstained from voting. I forget which one. And 3 of the ppl who mentioned him last day phase are dead.

 

[heymonkey]

Yeah, that last part is fair.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Dropping the Melon thing as of now.
1. Think I've stressed every part of it I can
2. Looking at the vote for no lynch in the TD. If im right about her. Then most the ppl engaging me about melon/defending her playstyle would be her scum mates. Gaslighting me
3. I just could be wrong lol, but I see no reason melon can be this cleared as town.

If we make it to new day/ita. I'm goin for Melon.

 

[heymonkey]

Sounds good. I do think her reaction to it hasnt been great.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I still feel strongly that the TD no lynch vote is a path to town win. Gonna try that angle.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

what are you reads on faircure and alexem?

 

[heymonkey]

Will partially depend on Vere flip and otherwise largely meta reads. Neither has done much. Fair said she would be busy so I expect it but both end up looking kinda scummy on accident when town, so I would approach with some hesitation and assume probably town without data to back it.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I wonder if someone will try to use she hulks power to say something about my shot on splint

 

[heymonkey]

I got your back if so.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Chances nomad and stu are lovers?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

lol nevermind

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@Sorian If we lose the BP, I know we will be notified. But would we be notified who was targeted between the two of us?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

 

[EzekelRAGE]

oops wrong thread

 

[Sorian]

@Sorian If we lose the BP, I know we will be notified. But would we be notified who was targeted between the two of us?

No.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

That flip was.........interesting. Not really surprised.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I think we die tonight lover, its been fun.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Why wouldnt Maz even try to defend himself?

 

[heymonkey]

We may not die tonight but if so, it HAS been fun. As for Mazre, I guess he felt people wouldn’t listen. And would they have?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

We may not die tonight but if so, it HAS been fun. As for Mazre, I guess he felt people wouldn’t listen. And would they have?

I wouldve given it a shot. Maz going for Zipped in the ITA is what sealed his fate. He shouldve just let the possible lynch take care of it and killed someone else.

 

[heymonkey]

Yeah, I get his motivation but it was a sacrifice play and that just sucks for town. :/

 

[EzekelRAGE]

were Nat and Nomad lovers in a previous game?

Noticed Nat called no mad lover in a post when I was rereading Day 2.

 

[heymonkey]

Yes, in Love Boat 2, so it’s a running joke.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

wow, can't even quote posts in a locked thread T_T

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Blarg was joking when he posted about not claiming the shot on Rynam right?

 

[heymonkey]

With Blarg, who knows?

Swamped has really stuck out to me but I wonder if it’s just baby brain plus or having played in a while.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Yea, looking at swamped closer to along with gorlak.
Gorlak due to him wanting to continue to discuss the melon thing after I said I was done with it. After the 3/4 mafia games I've played I know how my playstyle can annoy ppl. But Gor wanted to keep it going.
I cant tell if that was Townie actually wanting info on the melon td situation or scum wanting me to go in more and derail discussion more.

Maybe im just thinking too hard and paranoid.

 

[heymonkey]

I did not much like Gorlak day one until he got on Griz but since then I've been back and forth. He's another one I want to look at more closely. I have some work to do today but if we live I'm gonna do vote analysis and look at Natiko and Gorlak.

 

[heymonkey]

One person I'm not worried about yet is SalvaPot. His entrance into the thread was super chill and scum coming in as a replacement in that situation... man, I dunno. I mean, Salva was just Salva. I think there'd be some tension there as scum. I also expect someone will shoot him in the ITA.

Brazil is one to watch just generally. If he's town, it'll show, I think.

 

[heymonkey]

Reading back over the last event, we were all so surprised that Apollo was scum but I bet at least one person faked it. People I suspect there: Brazil, faircure, stu. Not in that order.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I have a slight scum leaning on faircure. Brazil I havent felt too good about either.

Is Alex new?

Looking over some of his posts. He made posts/conjecture about the difference in nin/kya being killed/died, ita chance from ry flip. Was also one of first ones to try to imply my shot on splinter couldve been bus, based on what stu typed after ry flip.

That's what I read so far, up now to the zip/vere situation. Just seemed like busy work from Alex, and not really moving the discussion forward.
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Side question I may have missed it but how did we know Verelious was roleblocked N1?.

 

[heymonkey]

Verelios was roleblocked in the first event, the weird one with the blind voting/matching.

Alexem is new - this is his second or third game. As I recall, without checking, he was the last mislynch in my first scum game. I think that's just how he comes across. Worth watching but I wouldn't make him a high priority target.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Ok on alex.

If im able to, my ita shot will go on Melon or Nat.
Mel- For my theory things that I've stressed + I just can't believe how she went out of her way to deny doing the TD Day 1. As a town gladiator, it makes sense to ignore the questioning of you starting it etc. day 1. But to outright deny it?
Looking at her posts, 80% of it just seems like fluff.

Nat - When he did engage with me about Melon possibly being a scum. He would argue points that I didnt even bring up to seemingly derail the discussion. Then there was the post where he called out all the ppl who voted for melon/splinter in the TD for weak/no excuses given when voting. Majority of the ppl who voted No Lynch in the TD parroted the same excuse of "i dont feel strongly on either" basically.

Will mostly likely try Melon, would give most answers.

 

[heymonkey]

I'm super curious to see Melon's flip and to see what kept her from claiming. All in all, she's just been strange. I say go for it. i'm gonna comb through the people who have less than 25ish posts and shoot the most suspicious one.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

This will be my opening post assuming we are alive. Will replace the hotlinks with quotes. Can't atm due to thread being closed.

Just observations over the night phase.
@Extr eme Tactician what did you mean in this post when you say you don't think anyone you interacted with is mafia.
You never gave a response and a couple ppl did find that wording odd

Also, I don't think we should give Extreme too much town credit with the kill on Vere and let him slide. At that point Vere was already the favorite to be lynched.

Apollo also attempted to shoot Vere in the ITA.

Terraforce felt uneasy about ET as well here.
Terra seemed to be on Ynn's case as well. @Yn nek7 what did you mean here?

@Saw neeks You made the statement that I disappeared when I voted for kawl, which was a lie and you tried to paint me in the light of scum. I never got a response from you about this post here.

on Ynn. I like saws reason here.

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Melon is Scum Gladiator post is here. Her only defense was just having fun. She had a few posts on Day 1 where she goes out of her way to mention she had nothing to do with the TD though. That is not very townie.

Apollo (scum) says to kill vere and thinks melon scum gladiator is a stretch.

 

[heymonkey]

Great point about ET and Apollo shooting at Vere. I agree that anyone targeting Vere who is shady for other reasons could have easily been attempting to bus.

 

[heymonkey]

Fingers crossed we are at least alive!

 

[Sorian]

You both have lost your shared BP

 

[heymonkey]

booooooooo to whomever dared to shoot us

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Least we still alive......im assuming?

 

[heymonkey]

I'm guessing/hoping it was just one shot and we live! Let's hope we make it through today's ITAs.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Just observations over the night phase.
@Extreme Tactician what did you mean in this post? https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/186/page-21#post-25961

And so it begins!
My phone battery is dying so I'll be gone for a while.
But I don't think Kawl is Mafia. And I don't think anybody I've interacted with is Mafia.

You never gave a response and a couple ppl did find that wording odd

Also, I don't think we should give Extreme too much town credit with the kill on Vere and let him slide. At that point Vere was already the favorite to be lynched.

Apollo also attempted to shoot Vere in the ITA.

Terraforce felt uneasy about ET as well here.https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/186/page-32#post-27369

This Zeke v. Nat situation feels like town on town so I want to ignore it, but I know I'm going to have to do a reread anyway to see what the hell is actually going on.
Anyway, REALLY want to hop on Extreme Tactician for reasons I said before, but it'll only do so much if I go it alone. So I'll join the train on Mr. Runner-up.
[highlght]VOTE: Ynnek[/highlight]
Anyone else want to put the heat on E.T., just hit ya boy up.

Terra seemed to be on Ynn's case as well.

@Ynnek7 what did you mean here?

I will say that I had something happen to me during the last night phase, but since it's pretty NAI I didn't think it was that important or useful to bring up.

You never clarified it?

@Sawneeks You made the statement that I disappeared when I voted for kawl, which was a lie and you tried to paint me in the light of scum. I never got a response from you about this post here.

Post about me on why Saw lied like i vanished after voting kawl, which i didnt

on Ynn. I like saws reason n post 2119.https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/186/page-22#post-26054
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Melon is Scum Gladiator post is here.

Click to go to post

Her only defense was just having fun. She a few posts on Day 1 where she goes out of her way to mention she had nothing to do with the TD though.

Kill verelios before Zip, especially if Zip really is BP so that we can verify without having to hit twice. It makes the most sense.

The melon is a scum gladiator theory seems like a real stretch. IMO there are much better and much less risky ways to get town points without hoping for the scum team to rally a 50 player game to no lynch.

https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/186/page-29#post-27010

 

[EzekelRAGE]

o gawd, posted in wrong thread

 

[heymonkey]

hahahaha well it let you see what it would look like I guess

 

[heymonkey]

@Sorian will those tags show up? they won't, right?

 

[Sorian]

Nah they don’t, Zeke asked me earlier privately if they would because he was going to practice here originally anyway lol

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@heymonkey
Should we mention a shot being taken at us? Obviously not both of us since that would alert ppl that we are lovers.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I knew we were gonna get hit last night

 

[EzekelRAGE]

hmmm. Assuming I was the target.

What are the odds scum Gorlak prepared the discussion to go on melon, using my death to go with it?

 

[heymonkey]

@heymonkey
Should we mention a shot being taken at us? Obviously not both of us since that would alert ppl that we are lovers.

I really dunno. Honestly I think it could have been either of us - if I'm right about Lux and Ynnek, I could have been the target, and if you're on the right trick, might have been you. If the wrong one of us mentions it, it might reveal us. I was thinking about it myself because it's critical info related to the lack of deaths, but I don't want to give us away since killing two active players at once is a blow to town.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I really dunno. Honestly I think it could have been either of us - if I'm right about Lux and Ynnek, I could have been the target, and if you're on the right trick, might have been you. If the wrong one of us mentions it, it might reveal us. I was thinking about it myself because it's critical info related to the lack of deaths, but I don't want to give us away since killing two active players at once is a blow to town.

I thought about that. Then I thought scum would just assume someone else tried to kill me/you. They would assume another faction/neutral did it.

 

[heymonkey]

True. But also remember this - if we reveal, it makes us a huge target for ITAs.

We have some time before the first ITA, at least. But now that Gorlak has decided I'm scum (sigh, there's always someone), I might eat a shot, especially if they know we're vulnerable. And you might eat a shot because you've been aggressive.

I'm not saying we shouldn't reveal. I'm just putting thoughts out.

 

[heymonkey]

If it matters, I have breadcrumbed our relationship a couple of times.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

True. But also remember this - if we reveal, it makes us a huge target for ITAs.

We have some time before the first ITA, at least. But now that Gorlak has decided I'm scum (sigh, there's always someone), I might eat a shot, especially if they know we're vulnerable. And you might eat a shot because you've been aggressive.

I'm not saying we shouldn't reveal. I'm just putting thoughts out.

We wouldnt come out as lovers btw. Just one of us would claim to have been attacked last night. I sorta tried to breadcrumb it in a post by saying 2..... at least two kill attempts last night. On second thought though, only thing learned by coming forward is that there is another killer. Hopefully whoever tried to killed us won't want to try 2 nights in a row. Especially with some of the other claims today.

I think I may be in the clear for the most part as itas go. Being heavily town read that who ever tries to shoot me would most likely be heavily scrutinized for it.

Or Celebrated so ppl wont have to read my posts lol. I imagine Melon would be happy with me goin down.

If it matters, I have breadcrumbed our relationship a couple of times.

Yea I noticed.

 

[heymonkey]

Yes, I think you're more clear than I am in terms of being read so if one of us wants to claim the bulletproof gone, it should be you for sure.

I BELIEVE IN YOU! and if there's another cover, maybe someone will save us or hand out another bp. there's that, too.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

hmmm. Ill think it over. im goin to have to claim more than one BP i think.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@heymonkey

someone should ITA Ezekel or heymonkey so we can uncover the, uh... what was the term I used to use? Social links? War bonds? Between them and their reads. They're better off flipped ASAP, IMO. Thanks

lol

 

[heymonkey]

ha, oh, Blarg.

 

[heymonkey]

Gorlak would probably choke if he knew he just inadvertently saved me as well. HI, GORLAK <3

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@heymonkey
Are you able to answer my question?

Also game mechanic question. Does a peeping tom/looking power not require someone to move and thus doesnt count as them visiting someone?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Nevermind, Melon tracked Stanley, not stuart.

 

[heymonkey]

It depends. If you're a voyeur you don't get your own action, usually, but someone else would get yours, I think.

also all these claims are nuts to untangle. Ynnek and Stu leave me with a bad feeling but I have nothing to back it.