Still, @DarkManticorex2 should sign up and come play with us. :D
MU Finals Spec Thread - More Fun Than a Barrel of Monkeys!
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Oh yeah :(
I had to use my work email lmao.
I did get approved though. Might catch a few games when the champs season is over if my wife doesn't force me to retire.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
hey, everyone
monkey and dark's final game at the championship will begin in a few hours, so I made this thread private once again so we could spectate without interfering.
Right now, the only users who can see this chat are: me, brazil, faddy, fando, neeks, stan, vere
I'm gonna put something on our OT, asking if anyone wanna get in here in a few~
oh, and of course the link to the game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forum...illains-R-Us-The-Mafia-Championship?p=2685336
monkey and dark's final game at the championship will begin in a few hours, so I made this thread private once again so we could spectate without interfering.
Right now, the only users who can see this chat are: me, brazil, faddy, fando, neeks, stan, vere
I'm gonna put something on our OT, asking if anyone wanna get in here in a few~
oh, and of course the link to the game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forum...illains-R-Us-The-Mafia-Championship?p=2685336
Eu achei que teria um outro, já que a Monkey tava aqui :P
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Don’t apologize! I assumed you just yanked everyone and grabbed a few that had indicated wanting access still. Really isn’t a big deal!
I always just read the last two pages whenever I remember to :P
I also read Monkey's posts with three times more attention than I do the others'.
If we had a game that moved this fast in here, I'd probably read through it all because I'd care about all the players. Over there, though... haha.
I also read Monkey's posts with three times more attention than I do the others'.
If we had a game that moved this fast in here, I'd probably read through it all because I'd care about all the players. Over there, though... haha.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I still have nightmares about trying to catch up on the thread the time I subbed into the MU invitational game. :P
Process of elimination
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
As Brazil says POE does mean process of elimination but few people realise what this actually means. It is when someone has identified enough town to be willing to lynch the players outside that group.
I'm now about to skim 3000 try hard posts. :( :(
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
*finished* Also GGG was robbed, kind of.
Apparently POE just means scum read. WTF is light POE. If you don't have >50% as town reads it isn't POE.
That was a painful day to read especially when it feels like every fifth post was someone posting that they weren't up to date. There has to be some sort of exercised self control in these games where people don't just spam huge walls. It creates a lot of noise and is confusing to town players who won't take in everything. M Plus 7 has 500+ posts in the phase and wasn't even close to being a strong advocate for any lynch.
For all the bluster in the thread the early case of psychosoldier's tone won out against Monkey's case on Darkmanticore which was put together with an hour to go.
I'm still wavering on monkey. I think she has had some concerning tone in her posts that read scummy to me, particularly her "not the vigilante" claim. But then she did make quite a good case on Darkmanticore with good logic and reason. That felt very town. The thread concensus towns joined monkey on that Five, Empoof, M plus 7 and ara which looks bad for Dark.
Boquise has an interesting vote progression and basically sealed the lynch on psycho.
Where the night kill goes will be interesting. I think I would expect a dark voter to die.
Apparently POE just means scum read. WTF is light POE. If you don't have >50% as town reads it isn't POE.
That was a painful day to read especially when it feels like every fifth post was someone posting that they weren't up to date. There has to be some sort of exercised self control in these games where people don't just spam huge walls. It creates a lot of noise and is confusing to town players who won't take in everything. M Plus 7 has 500+ posts in the phase and wasn't even close to being a strong advocate for any lynch.
For all the bluster in the thread the early case of psychosoldier's tone won out against Monkey's case on Darkmanticore which was put together with an hour to go.
I'm still wavering on monkey. I think she has had some concerning tone in her posts that read scummy to me, particularly her "not the vigilante" claim. But then she did make quite a good case on Darkmanticore with good logic and reason. That felt very town. The thread concensus towns joined monkey on that Five, Empoof, M plus 7 and ara which looks bad for Dark.
Boquise has an interesting vote progression and basically sealed the lynch on psycho.
Where the night kill goes will be interesting. I think I would expect a dark voter to die.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So the Joat shot the doctor Darkmanticorex2. Rip dude.
Is shooting night 1 bad? I guess it is 50/50 for them that there is also a vig, but there is so little info to go on. Is monkey the Joat? She was most against Dark and that not vigi claim was a weird comment that says maybe she had a shot.
It is much harder to read into the NK since this game has a lot more prior relationships. Monkey and Violet are the only 2 who don't list MafiaUniverse as a site they have played on.
Is shooting night 1 bad? I guess it is 50/50 for them that there is also a vig, but there is so little info to go on. Is monkey the Joat? She was most against Dark and that not vigi claim was a weird comment that says maybe she had a shot.
It is much harder to read into the NK since this game has a lot more prior relationships. Monkey and Violet are the only 2 who don't list MafiaUniverse as a site they have played on.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
i'm still on page 12 :c
a lot of players are simply deciding that one is town and another is wolfy, feels like they're either going with their guts (which, hey, it's d1 you can't really build strong arguments), or just pretending to have an opinion :wolf:
also Paratroopa gave me a way better impression in his first game in this championship, he's barely here now
a lot of players are simply deciding that one is town and another is wolfy, feels like they're either going with their guts (which, hey, it's d1 you can't really build strong arguments), or just pretending to have an opinion :wolf:
also Paratroopa gave me a way better impression in his first game in this championship, he's barely here now
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
(page 18)
Five has para as the towniest because of a single post?? really????
I'm liking sr calling ds out on that useless quiz, which by itself creates more discussion than any actual answers to it. I wonder if those will become a trend here in the future.
also liking dark's subdued, careful approach to the game.
Five has para as the towniest because of a single post?? really????
I'm liking sr calling ds out on that useless quiz, which by itself creates more discussion than any actual answers to it. I wonder if those will become a trend here in the future.
also liking dark's subdued, careful approach to the game.
monkey, potato purée is extremely good in any way and my go-to sick food
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I don't want to spoil you Pedro if you're actually going to read the whole thread, so I'll just put some thoughts on what's happening now on D3 in a spoiler:
Monkey is catching some heat right now on D3, but I'll need to back up and check for the scum-reads on her since I'm not sure what she did that makes her seem scummy right now. It seems like a few people are putting her in a scum team based on some of the read lists I've seen, and people are questioning why they think she's town. Fun stuff haha. I think I'll try to skim through D3 later tonight so I can see where some of this is coming from.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Just got caught up on D3. Monkey seems to be targeting Empoof, others are town-reading him though, and Monkey is still showing up in a lot of scum lists. Will be interesting to see how this end of day plays out. They still haven't lynched a scum member, and there are so many different reads and possible scum teams being thrown out there, they need to get a good consensus going. I personally gut-read Boquise as scum, and if he is then I'd bet Monkey is too.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I really should have taken a few notes like last time. But the game seems to have quietened down a bit with the reduced player numbers and MP7 not posting 500+ times without saying anything worthwhile.
Hot takes time. #sickreads
Town is probably Five, DS, Monkey, Boquise and Nego
They have 5 lynches: Empoof > GeneralHankerchief > Mexal gets at least 2 wolves imo.
I think Empoof and Ara are opposite alignments because either Empoof is trying to pocket Ara by spending lots of time sorting them or Ara is happy for Empoof to do busy work and ultimately come down as town on them.
That leaves SilverKeith, DS, M Plus 7 and Paratrooper has 1 or 2 wolves in it.
Gut feel says Para and DS are most suspicious.
Hot takes time. #sickreads
Town is probably Five, DS, Monkey, Boquise and Nego
They have 5 lynches: Empoof > GeneralHankerchief > Mexal gets at least 2 wolves imo.
I think Empoof and Ara are opposite alignments because either Empoof is trying to pocket Ara by spending lots of time sorting them or Ara is happy for Empoof to do busy work and ultimately come down as town on them.
That leaves SilverKeith, DS, M Plus 7 and Paratrooper has 1 or 2 wolves in it.
Gut feel says Para and DS are most suspicious.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I don't even know what to say.
I've seen him play video mafia a good few times and I skimmed through his champs games. I don't know why he doesn't vote. He has had a week to think about Empoof and he can't make a decision. I still think he is town since I don't think he panics like that as mafia.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Empoof got saved but not necessarily because he is mafia. Ara saves him to be the mislynch in Lylo.
It is definitely 1 between them now.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah I can see that.
It is kind of amazing that Five didn't vote anywhere though. It seemed like the thread got a little weird once Empoof took the lead on votes, so yeah, there is something very odd about how that played out.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I think Five just froze. If he was a wolf he votes Para and moves on.
Looking at the violet lynch. It is one of those lynches where mafia know it is bad and avoid it. Just like our day 1 lynch of Exodus in Game of Thrones. I think there is only 1 mafia on it
I think 4 out of those 5 are wolve after that EoD.
What would super turn this game on its head is if the Joat successfully uses their roleblock tonight and stops a kill. It gives town a confirmed mafia* and an extra lynch.
*there could be a counter claim
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
More just in keeping the general idea of what’s happening as I haven’t had time to read a single, full page lol
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Uh, yeah, about that...
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ummmm. Well ara crumbled and is probably going to be lynched.
Fake claiming is bad.
DS and empoof look awful now as well voting for monkey before everyone even checked in.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Just got caught up.
Yeah, I don't fully understand Ara's plan there. She apparently wanted to breadcrumb JoaT on D1 in order to fake claim and eat the NK for the real JoaT on some undefined future day while hoping they would go along with it? Seems risky as hell and requires the actual JoaT to first, survive, and second, realize what Ara's plan was and not counter her claim and call her a wolf immediately. Of course, Nego did exactly that, even faked a red check on her, and she had to rescind it.
I agree that DS and Empoof both look so bad for those early Monkey votes and pushing the idea of following Ara's reads over everyone. I think if only one of DS and Empoof are scum, it's probably Empoof, but DS can feel pretty scummy at times too, I've been back and forth on him. Of course there's also the world where DS/Empoof/Ara are all scum and were trying to create a narrative early in the day, but that's a hell of a world.
Yeah, I don't fully understand Ara's plan there. She apparently wanted to breadcrumb JoaT on D1 in order to fake claim and eat the NK for the real JoaT on some undefined future day while hoping they would go along with it? Seems risky as hell and requires the actual JoaT to first, survive, and second, realize what Ara's plan was and not counter her claim and call her a wolf immediately. Of course, Nego did exactly that, even faked a red check on her, and she had to rescind it.
I agree that DS and Empoof both look so bad for those early Monkey votes and pushing the idea of following Ara's reads over everyone. I think if only one of DS and Empoof are scum, it's probably Empoof, but DS can feel pretty scummy at times too, I've been back and forth on him. Of course there's also the world where DS/Empoof/Ara are all scum and were trying to create a narrative early in the day, but that's a hell of a world.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I'm trying to understand Monkey's play here. She can obviously be very frustrated as town getting mislynched for the loss but the chance she is actually mafia is rising when she can't/won't vote for one of the people voting for her.
Like it should be obvious one of DS/Empoof is a wolf.
Like it should be obvious one of DS/Empoof is a wolf.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah I was just about to post, this EoD is pretty interesting. She has scum reads on both DS and Empoof, but is telling them off for making bad town plays, which is kind of a weird thing to do. I would be yelling about how the scum team is all over me right now and vote for one of them, probably Empoof in this case for jumping on after DS voted once again.
It's basically all on Nego, they are the one that the rest of town (and scum) seem to be waiting for. One of Empoof or DS (or maybe even both) are scum and they are trying to bait Nego's vote out on to Monkey, and maybe baiting Ara too if she is town.
At least that's how I'm reading it if Monkey is town. If she's scum, then things change.
It's basically all on Nego, they are the one that the rest of town (and scum) seem to be waiting for. One of Empoof or DS (or maybe even both) are scum and they are trying to bait Nego's vote out on to Monkey, and maybe baiting Ara too if she is town.
At least that's how I'm reading it if Monkey is town. If she's scum, then things change.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
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If Monkey is town with the votes now it is guaranteed two out of Boq, Empoof, DS are wolves.
What are you taking away from watching this game? The situation is sort of similar to Game of Thrones end game. Trying to work out who is with each other is so important imo. If you can't form a reasonable world then the reads are probably wrong.
OMG Monkey. Like she has to be a wolf. It isn't over because at least 2 voters are wolves. Why isn't she saying that?
If Monkey is town with the votes now it is guaranteed two out of Boq, Empoof, DS are wolves.
What are you taking away from watching this game? The situation is sort of similar to Game of Thrones end game. Trying to work out who is with each other is so important imo. If you can't form a reasonable world then the reads are probably wrong.
OMG Monkey. Like she has to be a wolf. It isn't over because at least 2 voters are wolves. Why isn't she saying that?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
The mafia must have battered her into submission. How could she not be arguing her voters are wolves, what did she think the team was?
Ara/SK/GH + 1 of the 3 voters? So weird.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
It's really interesting watching how they all play. One of my main takeaways is definitely the w/w, t/w, t/t interaction stuff and how that plays in to "world building". That does seem incredibly useful, and I also like it as a way to quickly be like "what does your world look like" and see how someone responds to that.
I have no idea. I'm going to lean towards DS or Empoof (or both) being scum and trying to bait the Monkey vote both at the start and end of the day while also setting the narrative that she was the best vote to make.
It reminds me of how I was tricked into voting for Nin in GoT. People were always talking about Nin as being scummy, and Mafia was able to run with the narrative and keep it relevant for as long as necessary to make him a mislynch when it counted the most. Seems like the same thing just happened to Monkey here.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
And yeah, Nego had said they used the Block and just had the Track left if I remember right, but that was probably a lie.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I don't think they will assume anything but the game might end when mafia submit their kill if it can't be stopped. The mafia team are probably double checking and thinking about the block just in case.
That day was really rough for monkey. Just a lot of town players saying she was mafia. No one was really on her side. Five might have been her closest ally and even then he was town reading Empoof and voted for her. That had to have been tough.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah I felt bad for her with how it all went down at the EoD, that wasn't easy to watch.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also just to add to this, I feel like this and the "process of elimination" mindsets would have helped me at the end of GoT. Nin tried to do it actually, he broke down at one point why our interactions with each other were t/t and how we should look elsewhere, but I didn't listen haha.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
After the missed hammer someone on town needs to definitively say Monkey is town, never voting etc and force the lynch to be elsewhere.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
fwiw town/town doesn't really work for me as a read. As soon as you get into that mindset I always stop and reconsider what I would expect that person to do as mafia, and most of the time it is make a townie post.
nin should have went through how he was never mafia with monkey. That was where he had real town potential imo.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
My main takeaway is probably bad. I shouldn't be trying to crib wolf tips from this game. I have never played a proper game as mafia btw.
Just powering through, push on as many town as you want. Separation doesn't matter, take whatever mislynch you can get and boldly force one if needed.
Just powering through, push on as many town as you want. Separation doesn't matter, take whatever mislynch you can get and boldly force one if needed.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, if I remember right he only ever dismissed it, like I remember him saying something like "I can't believe Fantomas thinks I was on a team with Monkey" but I don't think he ever really said why I shouldn't have thought that. I just needed something to get me to want ET or Nicole more than him, but I never really got it from him, and of course I wasn't going to get it from ET or Nicole, so yeah.
Blah, either way I learned a lot from that situation so I feel like I'll be a lot more sharp as town in end-game the next time I make it that far.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Oh you were plenty sharp in that game. On the thunderdome day my best reason for lynching you was that you were too perceptive. *Splinter said the same thing before he died. It was an almost impossible situation. I don't know if I get town nin. I had one post about it before I died but far from convincing.
From this game I think you can look at town mistakes as being taking the easy lynch when they could. The Violet lynch was the worst one by far but town got into the position where the 2nd choice was getting town read so instead of pushing further out they retreated to the easy choice. Town were just too passive and got drowned out by mafia.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, the easy choice is something I'm going to try to be wary of in future games for sure. I don't want to get stuck in one of those situations like they had with Violet, or even with Monkey at the end there because it really felt like she was too easy of a lynch target. Even the people who really thought she was town came around to it, and it seemed like it was just because of all of the noise surrounding her, but in hindsight they really should have just ignored the noise and looked somewhere else.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Reveal is up
Wolves: DS, General Hankerchief, Empoof and Silver Keith.
Nego was the Joat.
Silver Keith flew under the radar a bit but maybe vote logic would have caught up with him for the Para lynch and hammer attempt on Monkey if they had lynch correctly in the last phase.
Actually that team wasn't far off so if that was Monkey's team she was closer than I thought.
Wolves: DS, General Hankerchief, Empoof and Silver Keith.
Nego was the Joat.
Silver Keith flew under the radar a bit but maybe vote logic would have caught up with him for the Para lynch and hammer attempt on Monkey if they had lynch correctly in the last phase.
Actually that team wasn't far off so if that was Monkey's team she was closer than I thought.
It was done regardless. If we'd managed to lynch a wolf today they'd have just lynched me tomorrow.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
You played really well. I can't imagine what that game was like to play in because it was painful just to skim. Day 1 was 3.5K posts of pain.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I feel like it wasn't as over as you felt it was but I wasn't under the emotional burden of the game. The wolves really did a number on you and your town were absolutely no help.
If Nego goes through with the GH lynch I think you get a lot of people calling you cleared.
I think that's why they held off on hammering. They could have hammered for so long but even if someone shifted they wanted that doubt there.
It was really intense, tbh. I can't say it was fun, really. The meta is hard to handle. I don't think it's any coincidence most of the "outsiders" died first and people used meta like a weapon but I learned a lot and am excited to try some things. But first, a break.
they told me not to vote :/ I was torn on that one.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
They couldn't hammer though. They needed 2 towns to vote against you for that. And most of the time it was just 2 wolves on you, Boq's misvote wasn't enough.
Certainly, but I think SK had farmed up enough doubt that he probably could have dropped the vote and been followed after Boquise voted. He played that protest well, with the whole I POSTED I POSTED
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