Ok, first up is Stuart. I went and looked through a lot of his posts, and I really do think there are some signs pointing to him being Scum here. I'll quote/link a bunch of posts here that stuck out in the context of ET being Scum, as well as just some small things I noticed too:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15013814/
Stuart444 said:
Why ET? His posts are no more different to me than the other posts around the same time so why pick him specifically.
I do agree on Zeke though. Town!Zeke posts a LOT in my experience. He doesn't usually post some fluff and then disappears.
That said, D1 is D1 but I feel like town!Zeke is easy enough to tell based on what I've seen from him as town at least.
Here is him asking me why I'm scum reading ET the most out of everyone. I had also thrown out your name in the same post as a dark horse scum pick, since that was when all you had posted was your intro about being the tunnel guy and nothing else. Notice how he dismisses ET right away and tries to get me to look at you? It didn't work on me, but watch how many more times he tries to do this in later posts when ET becomes a lynch train.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15033785/
Stuart444 said:
Now this feels like typical town Zeke.
He says this right before he starts to do nothing but scum-read you for the rest of the game? Like, I had the same thought eventually, "This feels like the Town-Zeke I've seen play Mafia before" but you know what I didn't do once? Scum read you,
because this feels like the Town-Zeke I've seen play Mafia before.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15034973/
Stuart444 said:
The fuck. I made reads earlier on Gorlak and Zeke based on their posts and especially Gorlak's who I still feel very scummy on. I also do what I do every game, poke people, ask questions, respond when asked.
You've seen me play in enough games by now, you know this is how I operate. To try and call attention to it now feels suspicious as fuck.
I'll put a new vote down when I am good and ready. Still waiting to see if Gorlak or Zeke changes my mind on how I feel about them but for now, I have no vote down and I'll leave it at that
Here, Faddy pokes Stuart slightly, wondering about where he is at in the game since he seems to be reacting to things too much. Stuart's reaction? Uhhhhh... I mean, Faddy didn't vote for him, he didn't say he was Scum, he later reiterated he just wanted some more reads out of him. But what does Stu do? Basically freaks out, goes on the defensive hard, and then right after that he makes a post about how he knows he's being pre-emptively defensive and we're all supposed to be ok with that for some reason. So weird.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15035504/
Stuart444 said:
I don't think I'm jumpy. I just know people like calling me defensive regardless of if I actually am defensive or not (though I admit this time I am and I know someone would probably bring it up later on as an excuse to vote for me no matter how lazy an excuse it is) which tends to be one of the things that annoys me in these games.
Here he responds to Z-Beat saying he seems jumpier than he was in KH. And once again, he gets really self-conscious about how people are viewing him. This is a red flag to me, because as Scum in my last game, I was very self-conscious about what people thought about me. Town players don't act like that in my experience, they aren't quite as worried about how they are viewed by the thread at large because they know they are Town and they can do their best to convince people of that even if one or two minor things might look suspicious against them.
Anyways, I'm going to fast forward now, there are so many scummy posts actually lol.
Here is him defending ET at every chance he could get and trying to make people vote CS instead. Just constantly asking people why they wanted ET, never asking why people wanted someone other than ET though.
Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
To be fair, it's not unheard of to be scum reading no one on D1.
I wouldn't mind lynching CS just to see if he's bullshitting or not. Would give Grizzly a chance to contribute more without the excuse of "the weekend is bad for me".
CoolestSpot do you have anything to say that would make people not want to lynch you? Or are you sticking with "I'll still have my revenge" thing?
Stuart444 said:
Too bad ET is in bed. Can't even defend himself and it's tied between ET and Grizz.
Not sure on ET being scum or not and I want to give Grizz another day to hear more from them.
If it was still tied before the end of the day, I'll vote ET but only if it's tied (or if it's a tie between CS and one of them then I'd vote CS)
This is the only time he said he would vote for ET, and it was under the specific circumstance that he was the one who had to break a tie between Grizzly and ET. But he also adds that if there were a tie he had to break between CS and ET, he would go CS.
Stuart444 said:
I feel like while ETs performance has been bad compared to his previous games as both scum and town. I feel he is trying more than GP personally.
Stuart444 said:
He's reading and responding to people? GP has done fuck all until the last hour. He posted a bit at the start, and haven't said much for most the rest of the day until the last hour.
I don't blame ET for scum reading no one. It can be difficult in D1. Some people scum read everyone and some people scum read no one on D1 depending on how paranoid or not they are lol.
If he had no scum read by EOD tomorrow or D3, I'd want his head on a silver platter.
Still I get more of an earnest feel like he's trying more than GP.
Is it just me, or is he almost making it sound like ET is a new player here? He doesn't blame him for not scum reading people, because it's D1 and D1 is hard? Oh, well, too bad literally every other player in the game was able to make at least one scum read on D1 because, guess what, we've all played Mafia before.
Stuart444 said:
I also except that I could be wrong but I do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt early on which is what I'm doing here.
I especially love this one about "the benefit of the doubt". Apparently it only extends to ET lol.
Stuart444 said:
and CS is here, posting nonsense but here...
Here he's responding to Faddy saying he is tempted to vote CS. Basically just begging people to move off ET and on to CS for the sole reason of CS being there and ET not being there. And he does it again a moment later.
Stuart444 said:
That said, unlike ET, he's here to defend himself so I want to hear more from him now.
Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
Feels very suspicious that once someone mentioned it's tied between CS and ET, two people show up and vote ET right away.
Can't even say you did it because it's tied since you both put different reasoning down already.
It still feels suspicious to me.
He tried to start throwing shade at people joining the ET lynch eventually haha.
Stuart444 said:
If ET is scum, then I'll look better upon the people who just voted (with a keep in mind thing that someone from scum could be bussing him while he's asleep for town points) but if he's town, those votes just feel very opportunistic.
Stuart444 said:
Nothing on CS though. So fine, that's why you voted ET but...
So why would you not vote for CS?
This was in response to Gir's vote on ET, which he provided a link to his read list to justify it to Stu when he asked him why ET over CS. Stu's response? Doesn't give a shit about the scum read that Gir had down for ET, is only concerned that Gir didn't have a read down for CS and assumes this is why he wants ET instead? Weird post.
Stuart444 said:
What do you think we get with an ET one? He's been non-committal according to a lot of people so that gives no real info from his posts.
We'd get the same info on both CS and ET aka who is voting for them and why. And unlike ET, he's here to defend himself and not really doing that and instead just posting nonsense.
Stuart444 said:
This still feels very opportunistic.
I just don't feel ET is scum right now, if he is, it will be a surprise to me.
And that wraps it up. So yeah, that was about 14 EoD posts either directly questioning people about why they were voting for ET, or trying to get people to see CS as the better choice over ET.
Sure, there's the chance that he was just reading the situation wrong and thought ET was Town and that CS was Scum. I'll accept that. But in this case, that honestly feels like it would be more of a coincidence than the alternative, which is that he was trying to defend his Scum partner.
That took a lot longer than I thought it was going to lol. I'll get back with more stuff later though.