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The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Muffin is almost always neutral, or so most at least feel.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Yeah but when assessing which neutral is lying about their role and deciding Sorian is more likely to be telling the truth is insane!
Although I guess Fireblend's claim doesn't really hold much water since he never voted for Pineapple Pizza before tonight. But still... it is Sorian
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Sorian is really good at selling bullshit. Town Hooker forever.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
He is very good.
This just makes it even worse. If ANYONE should know better it is Monkey and Natiko. When the Sorian cult wins this is now Love Boat 3
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
If the rest of town wants to be assholes and not give Febe is out then I hope they end up picking another cult recruiter mod
Hey, they don’t know what the fuck happened with that shot. I definitely wouldn’t follow the wishes of a claimed neutral after a CULT is revealed by chance at the end of D6. Town is in the right for not voting for it.
saenima
Not Aeleus
Yep. On the other hand, without the shot the cult would still be secret.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah, without a claim for the shot I guess that’s fair. I just feel kind of bad for Febe because he basically blew his chances of winning here by exposing the cult by mistake lol. Hopefully they lynch Sorian tomorrow instead of Febe.
Yeah, sort of bad luck for Febe there hahah. He was right in keeping that shot for him and getting that easy win. But he wanted to help town a bit and ended up botching it.
Also realized that both the scum team and cult team are very exposed after that EoD. The cult wouldn’t really risk exposing themselves at this point and would avoid voting for Neeks, and that’s exactly what happened, while we still had the scum team pushing for her lynch at the same time.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah, I was thinking that too. Febe might of basically given that to town if they can capitalize on it
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
Welcome to the salt corner sneeks, i hope you brought water because there is a LOT here
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
If only cult could recruit Fireblend.
Imagine him flipping as a cult recruit in two days, and going on to win!
Imagine him flipping as a cult recruit in two days, and going on to win!
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Also, cool game design bear.
Sawneeks
little green dog
it was joked about pre-day end but they kinda wanted to recruit Brazil
If he doesn't get lynched tomorrow I advocate for this becoming the official Mafiera banner.
Thanks. Can I join your 'fuck day vigs' club too? Whisky and D&D sounds like a great way to dull the pain right about now.
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Sawneeks
little green dog
Honestly I'm not sure how the game is going to move on from here. With the Cult being out that means everyone who was 'cleared' now needs to be reevaluated and the Neutrals are gonna fall under hardcore scrutiny, not to mention people are going to look at what I did and see any connections despite not knowing when I got recruited.
Things are gonna go down this next phase and it's going to determine the rest of this game I think.
Things are gonna go down this next phase and it's going to determine the rest of this game I think.
malus
#1 official chartmaker
That was quite an unexpected end to a pretty unremarkable day. Let's hope Brazil can prevail against Sorian tomorrow. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he was scums next target and Fantomas had to suffer through another day of confirmed townyness.
I love how everyone was assuring they were going to vote Pineapple Pizza only to now not vote it.
I love how everyone was assuring they were going to vote Pineapple Pizza only to now not vote it.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
'not vanilla'
Yeah but on the flip side, it doesn't hurt to vote for it and if he didn't exit the game then, lynch him.
Would also narrow the neutral claims down to 1 aka Sorian, member of the cult.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Players might think voting pizza makes the whole cult win now.
Yeah but then you have to balance Febe's claim against Sorian's claim. Who is more likely to be lying? LOL
That said, that might be why Sorian is voting for it. To make people think that cause both claimed neutrals voting for it.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
I allow it.
dragon mom
Plays the Game of Chairs
Grizzly can I jokingly vote for a modifier too
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
sorry, no :)
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
"Why the hell do i have 27 notificat- oh, thats right that drunken angry breakdown happened, and now more and more people get to see it"
More than enough room here, who knows, you might also find drunkenly rambling about D&D as bizarrely calming as i did.
Can i sincerely vote for a modifier?
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
sorry, no :)
Verelios
Were-elios
Town still has a chance! They will pull through you’ll see.
(this will be my first loss as town and I’m depressed).
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Poor febe. He can’t really expect that the agreement lived past sneeks’ flip?
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Killing brazil is super weird. But I'd imagine they're expecting a lynch on Sorian soon, I'm going to be really surprised if Sorian can talk his way out of it at this point!
Well, they are right for the wrong reasons haha.
Hope they off him and we get madness at Day start.
Just to add on this because it's so beautiful, it's game reviewers who are sick of reviewing bastard games.
Even though I usually hate these, here's a huge pre-typed post (probably the longest I've ever written) that I made because the revelation that there's a cult shook me to my core, and I kept digging to figure this shit out until 4 AM.
My first small brain take was that Sorian must be the cult leader. But then, looking back at the thread through the lens of a search for the word "vanilla", I found out that the cult leader is someone else, and that they'd already been caught... by scum.
Flux is the cult leader.
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
I know my track record in this game has been far from stellar, but I ask that you pay close attention to my case here, as it explains basically every single instance of seemingly bizarre and unexplained behavior from turmoil, Faddy and Flux in the first 3 phases of the game. It fits perfectly, and I'm sure of it.
Flux being the cult leader explains:
#1 - Why Flux made that cheeky D1 post about how funny it'd be if he got lynched on D1;
#2 - Why turmoil started off D2 with that highly-suspect PR-seeking post;
#3 - Why turmoil claimed to be a Neapolitan with a check on Flux;
#4 - Why Flux's reaction to turmoil's claim was so slow and scummy when a simple counterclaim would've caught scum;
#5 - Why Flux started D3 with a gun to Faddy's head and tried to push town to hammer him asap throughout that phase.
#6 - Why Flux had that completely unnatural reaction to Faddy's reasonable doc fake claim.
#1
Alright. It all started with this post, from D1.5:
It would, indeed, have been pretty funny if the cult leader had been lynched on D1. When questioned by Febe on who Flux would like to see shot by me, he doubled down on the idea that it'd be funny if he ended up lynched:
Later, Flux went on to vehemently dismiss the notion that he was soft-claiming anything with these posts, and left them unexplained.
But these posts caught scum's attention. And so they decided that they'd use their weirdest PR on Flux to try and figure what the hell he was talking about. I think absolutbro was right: scum has "a weak cop of some sort" as their own tool against the cult. With someone like Faddy in there, scum was definitely able to figure out that if they have some sort of cop at their disposal, that means that the game has some kind of neutral threat to them - not necessarily a cult, but a threat nonetheless. [Fake edit with something I found in the future: oh hey!]
#2
And so scum checked Flux, and got "Not Ordinary" as a result. Being under scrutiny after D1, turmoil grabbed that info and decided to play the role of Town Neapolitan to try and get some town cred. His opening post was a bit too heavy-handed, though:
turmoil wanted to flex that fake claim, but went too far. Flux immediately raised an issue with that post, claiming that they'd never hinted at any PR. He explained that he was talking about his cosplay name instead (which he later claimed to be Stan's).
This pushed turmoil over the edge. Flux was being defensive about the accusation of being a PR, and turmoil knew that Flux was a PR.
#3
This part actually doesn't need much deduction with the stuff above in mind. turmoil openly said in the thread exactly what he was doing when he outed Flux as a PR, why he was doing it, and even confirmed the reason why scum had targeted Flux with the check on N1;
Flux's defensiveness over the alleged PR soft-claim made turmoil sure that Flux was neutral. He even came up with the theory that he was a hunter. Even though, as absolutbro later said, it wouldn't have made sense for a Town Neapolitan to out a possible town PR like that, turmoil was in a desperate position and tried to use his fake claim to lynch someone he knew was lying. Lynching a neutral wouldn't have cleared him, but it would've given him at least some credibility.
#4
And then comes the most important part. I've already gone over this in the past, as have many others, but Flux's reaction to the accusation that he was a PR was very bad. Instead of taking a very clear stance against turmoil with a concise claim that would've guaranteed a scum lynch in turmoil, he flopped around for multiple posts, making non-specific claims about his power until finally giving in and claiming that he couldn't be targeted during N1. His first response to the accusation merely reads:
Fran then asks if Flux is claiming vanilla. Flux gets very agitated, but still refuses to claim:
Fran and Kyan call him out for this behavior, saying that there's no reason for him to not come clear with his info if he's sure that turmoil is lying, and ask once again if he's vanilla.
Flux finally caves in, but is still afraid of outright saying that he's a commuter, due to the very real risk of someone else actually being one and counterclaiming.
It took more than 6 minutes for Flux to say that he was a commuter after his post that claimed that turmoil was lying.
The reason why is very clear: he isn't a commutter.
He couldn't possibly deny that he was a PR. But he couldn't just take the hit from turmoil quietly, either. So he responded with a flippant and reactionary "You're lying".
But wait - if Flux is saying that turmoil is lying, that means that Flux is claiming to be vanilla. When asked about it, he says, "I'm not claiming anything. I'm saying that turmoil is 100% lying".
He's not. turmoil's demeanor throughout the entirety of D2 makes it very clear that scum was actually able to check Flux on N1, and that they got the information that he wasn't ordinary. He was very sure of it - he went as far as to paraphrase the results the investigation yielded. The Neapolitan claim and the push against Flux (that wouldn't even have made sense coming from a Town Neapolitan) are clear signs of scum who had actual info as a tool, but couldn't figure out a way to use it in its favor. None of that could've been fabricated out of thin air.
Flux did not commute on N1. But after 6 minutes he finally figured out a lie that would explain his position - he couldn't be targeted on N1, so turmoil must've been lying.
"You're lying, I couldn't be targeted last night" would've been Flux's initial reaction to turmoil's claim if he actually was a commuter.
turmoil dies in opposition to Flux, flips scum, and since we had no reason to suspect the existence of an actual third faction in the game at the time, most of the thread just swept Flux's scummy behavior under the rug and assumed that he must be town.
#5
I'm not done, though.
In the midst of the mess that was that D2 EoD (or reading back during N2), it was Flux's turn to be the one to notice something weird.
Faddy reached for the stars with this post of support for turmoil. It didn't even make much sense. Flux actually wasn't the only one to notice this - others called him out on it later. But here, Flux was able to draw a link. Faddy was making up stuff in order to support his scummate.
But even more telling to Flux was this other post from D2's EoD:
Only much later would my dearest late brother notice the weirdness of this post. He actually did that without having any idea of the cult's existence, which is pretty fucking amazing. To quote directly from him:
Faddy was very specific. Faddy knew that turmoil's check on Flux had happened, and that it was real. From Flux's perspective of knowing that the check must've gone through since he wasn't actually a commuter, that was a smoking gun.
In his very first D3 post, Flux calls out Faddy, going out of his way to dismiss any notion that turmoil's information could've been real, and saying that Faddy's reactions to that EoD make him seem suspicious.
Soon after, he put a vote down.
He never wavered from that vote throughout the entirety of D3 (even though he also suspected Fandorin), and instead of considering other options, spent the phase making posts like the one below, which tried to push people into lynching Faddy asap, and therefore himself into the direction of those sweet town points:
#6
Then came Faddy's doctor claim. This has already been discussed at length before, but basically everyone believed that the claim was reasonable before KetKat's counterclaim.
But not Flux.
These posts were all made before KetKat had counterclaimed. Flux's push against Faddy for his claim is artificial and forced - it doesn't gel with how reasonable the claim is.
He refused to address what multiple people brought up - that Chuggernaut's claim was more weirdly-timed and suspicious than Faddy's. And he got angry when questioned about it:
Flux saw that people were believing Faddy's claim, and that he would escape, so he started panicking and pushed hard against Faddy when it didn't make much sense to do so.
Thankfully for him, KetKat swooped in and sealed Faddy's fate. And once again, since Flux ended up in clear opposition to scum, the rest of the thread overlooked his bizarre behavior and unknowingly slotted him into a "semi-confirmed town" space.
And there you have it. After losing the two teammates who went against Flux and with no sign of the existence of a cult anywhere to be seen for almost six phases, scum probably decided that it was in their best interest to leave the mysterious neutral alone, and instead started gunning down the confirmed townies.
My first small brain take was that Sorian must be the cult leader. But then, looking back at the thread through the lens of a search for the word "vanilla", I found out that the cult leader is someone else, and that they'd already been caught... by scum.
Flux is the cult leader.
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
I know my track record in this game has been far from stellar, but I ask that you pay close attention to my case here, as it explains basically every single instance of seemingly bizarre and unexplained behavior from turmoil, Faddy and Flux in the first 3 phases of the game. It fits perfectly, and I'm sure of it.
Flux being the cult leader explains:
#1 - Why Flux made that cheeky D1 post about how funny it'd be if he got lynched on D1;
#2 - Why turmoil started off D2 with that highly-suspect PR-seeking post;
#3 - Why turmoil claimed to be a Neapolitan with a check on Flux;
#4 - Why Flux's reaction to turmoil's claim was so slow and scummy when a simple counterclaim would've caught scum;
#5 - Why Flux started D3 with a gun to Faddy's head and tried to push town to hammer him asap throughout that phase.
#6 - Why Flux had that completely unnatural reaction to Faddy's reasonable doc fake claim.
#1
Alright. It all started with this post, from D1.5:
It would, indeed, have been pretty funny if the cult leader had been lynched on D1. When questioned by Febe on who Flux would like to see shot by me, he doubled down on the idea that it'd be funny if he ended up lynched:
Later, Flux went on to vehemently dismiss the notion that he was soft-claiming anything with these posts, and left them unexplained.
But these posts caught scum's attention. And so they decided that they'd use their weirdest PR on Flux to try and figure what the hell he was talking about. I think absolutbro was right: scum has "a weak cop of some sort" as their own tool against the cult. With someone like Faddy in there, scum was definitely able to figure out that if they have some sort of cop at their disposal, that means that the game has some kind of neutral threat to them - not necessarily a cult, but a threat nonetheless. [Fake edit with something I found in the future: oh hey!]
#2
And so scum checked Flux, and got "Not Ordinary" as a result. Being under scrutiny after D1, turmoil grabbed that info and decided to play the role of Town Neapolitan to try and get some town cred. His opening post was a bit too heavy-handed, though:
turmoil wanted to flex that fake claim, but went too far. Flux immediately raised an issue with that post, claiming that they'd never hinted at any PR. He explained that he was talking about his cosplay name instead (which he later claimed to be Stan's).
This pushed turmoil over the edge. Flux was being defensive about the accusation of being a PR, and turmoil knew that Flux was a PR.
#3
This part actually doesn't need much deduction with the stuff above in mind. turmoil openly said in the thread exactly what he was doing when he outed Flux as a PR, why he was doing it, and even confirmed the reason why scum had targeted Flux with the check on N1;
Flux's defensiveness over the alleged PR soft-claim made turmoil sure that Flux was neutral. He even came up with the theory that he was a hunter. Even though, as absolutbro later said, it wouldn't have made sense for a Town Neapolitan to out a possible town PR like that, turmoil was in a desperate position and tried to use his fake claim to lynch someone he knew was lying. Lynching a neutral wouldn't have cleared him, but it would've given him at least some credibility.
#4
And then comes the most important part. I've already gone over this in the past, as have many others, but Flux's reaction to the accusation that he was a PR was very bad. Instead of taking a very clear stance against turmoil with a concise claim that would've guaranteed a scum lynch in turmoil, he flopped around for multiple posts, making non-specific claims about his power until finally giving in and claiming that he couldn't be targeted during N1. His first response to the accusation merely reads:
Fran then asks if Flux is claiming vanilla. Flux gets very agitated, but still refuses to claim:
Fran and Kyan call him out for this behavior, saying that there's no reason for him to not come clear with his info if he's sure that turmoil is lying, and ask once again if he's vanilla.
Flux finally caves in, but is still afraid of outright saying that he's a commuter, due to the very real risk of someone else actually being one and counterclaiming.
It took more than 6 minutes for Flux to say that he was a commuter after his post that claimed that turmoil was lying.
The reason why is very clear: he isn't a commutter.
He couldn't possibly deny that he was a PR. But he couldn't just take the hit from turmoil quietly, either. So he responded with a flippant and reactionary "You're lying".
But wait - if Flux is saying that turmoil is lying, that means that Flux is claiming to be vanilla. When asked about it, he says, "I'm not claiming anything. I'm saying that turmoil is 100% lying".
He's not. turmoil's demeanor throughout the entirety of D2 makes it very clear that scum was actually able to check Flux on N1, and that they got the information that he wasn't ordinary. He was very sure of it - he went as far as to paraphrase the results the investigation yielded. The Neapolitan claim and the push against Flux (that wouldn't even have made sense coming from a Town Neapolitan) are clear signs of scum who had actual info as a tool, but couldn't figure out a way to use it in its favor. None of that could've been fabricated out of thin air.
Flux did not commute on N1. But after 6 minutes he finally figured out a lie that would explain his position - he couldn't be targeted on N1, so turmoil must've been lying.
"You're lying, I couldn't be targeted last night" would've been Flux's initial reaction to turmoil's claim if he actually was a commuter.
turmoil dies in opposition to Flux, flips scum, and since we had no reason to suspect the existence of an actual third faction in the game at the time, most of the thread just swept Flux's scummy behavior under the rug and assumed that he must be town.
#5
I'm not done, though.
In the midst of the mess that was that D2 EoD (or reading back during N2), it was Flux's turn to be the one to notice something weird.
Faddy reached for the stars with this post of support for turmoil. It didn't even make much sense. Flux actually wasn't the only one to notice this - others called him out on it later. But here, Flux was able to draw a link. Faddy was making up stuff in order to support his scummate.
But even more telling to Flux was this other post from D2's EoD:
Only much later would my dearest late brother notice the weirdness of this post. He actually did that without having any idea of the cult's existence, which is pretty fucking amazing. To quote directly from him:
Faddy was very specific. Faddy knew that turmoil's check on Flux had happened, and that it was real. From Flux's perspective of knowing that the check must've gone through since he wasn't actually a commuter, that was a smoking gun.
In his very first D3 post, Flux calls out Faddy, going out of his way to dismiss any notion that turmoil's information could've been real, and saying that Faddy's reactions to that EoD make him seem suspicious.
Soon after, he put a vote down.
He never wavered from that vote throughout the entirety of D3 (even though he also suspected Fandorin), and instead of considering other options, spent the phase making posts like the one below, which tried to push people into lynching Faddy asap, and therefore himself into the direction of those sweet town points:
#6
Then came Faddy's doctor claim. This has already been discussed at length before, but basically everyone believed that the claim was reasonable before KetKat's counterclaim.
But not Flux.
These posts were all made before KetKat had counterclaimed. Flux's push against Faddy for his claim is artificial and forced - it doesn't gel with how reasonable the claim is.
He refused to address what multiple people brought up - that Chuggernaut's claim was more weirdly-timed and suspicious than Faddy's. And he got angry when questioned about it:
Flux saw that people were believing Faddy's claim, and that he would escape, so he started panicking and pushed hard against Faddy when it didn't make much sense to do so.
Thankfully for him, KetKat swooped in and sealed Faddy's fate. And once again, since Flux ended up in clear opposition to scum, the rest of the thread overlooked his bizarre behavior and unknowingly slotted him into a "semi-confirmed town" space.
And there you have it. After losing the two teammates who went against Flux and with no sign of the existence of a cult anywhere to be seen for almost six phases, scum probably decided that it was in their best interest to leave the mysterious neutral alone, and instead started gunning down the confirmed townies.
Parallel to that, I believe that Sorian was originally a vanilla townie who was the first to be recruited into the cult, during N1.
With no big leads on who is and who isn’t vanilla, it would’ve made sense for Flux to try recruiting one of the strongest players around.
Sorian likes to pretend that he was positioned against Flux during D2’s EoD, but that’s far from the truth. The reality is that he never took a hard stance in that situation, despite spending all of his 30 posts. To quote from my D4 case against him:
In fact, the most damning thing of all is that he seemed to play assist to Flux when he was struggling with his commuter fake claim:
When Flux couldn’t commit to calling himself a commuter, Sorian quickly stepped in and did that for him, for everyone to see.
Later, on D3, Sorian claimed that Flux was in the same tier of confirmed town as Fran and Fantomas - and above KetKat.
As for Flux - he drew an arbitrary line between my push against him and Sorian’s alleged one. While Flux was comfortable attacking and scumreading me for my D2 EoD behavior, he overlooked it, and said “Your push to lynch me was whatever, I’m not just gonna OMGUS because someone wanted me dead yesterday.”
On D4, Sorian was quick to dismissively handwave my case against Flux’s weirdness away as mere OMGUS.
On D5, when absolutbro claimed that he was a Vanilla Cop, Sorian actually pressed him for all of his investigation results. If he’d been checked, he wouldn’t be able to escape saying the wrong thing. He wanted to have all the info in his own hands - after all, he didn’t know which result absolutbro would get after checking a vanilla townie who had been converted by the cult.
The answer was “not ordinary”. absolutbro existed as town’s way of fighting the cult, after all. It wouldn’t make sense for a converted vanilla townie to show up as merely ordinary, or that would end up aligning with their claim and clearing them.
He’d told Monkey that he was vanilla in his boat chat, which was probably true originally. He had already become a survivor during the Love Boat phase - so he could’ve just claimed to be that to Monkey, who seemingly trusted blindly that he wasn’t Mafia, instead of lying and saying that he was vanilla. And so came the Love Boat moderator claim, which I’m skeptical of regardless of any of the points above now that we know there’s an entire neutral faction out there.
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If Sorian is actually a cult recruit, and Monkey claimed to be vanilla in the boat with him, then she was definitely targeted by Flux during N3. Her horror at the sight of Sawneeks (whom she was apparently suspecting of being scum) about to be lynched after last EoD’s shenanigans struck me as odd. From the scum side of possibilities, her mega-yikes post telling everyone that we couldn’t possibly draw anything from Faddy’s play is the biggest tell. I don’t think she’s town, but that’s down the line
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Regarding Natiko, the line I drew between Sawneeks and Natiko back on D2 stands. I really believed that one of them was scum, and with Sawneeks flipping originally town, my suspicion falls back on Natiko.
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At one point, Blarg screamed in caps “I’M VANILLA NEUTRAL” or something in the thread. Make of that what you will.
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I’m also fairly confident that LP gave himself away as scum during the last EoD. That vote against Sawneeks at that critical time tells me that he isn’t affiliated with the cult, but, alongside with his awful justification for it, also tells me that he wanted to play around with those two “townie” (from his perspective) trains so that we’d end up chain-lynching them. LP was also one of the silent votes against malus on D4. Unlike the cult, though, scum’s numbers aren’t going up anytime soon, so I’m sticking with my vote against Flux.
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I’m pretty sure about Flux and Sorian, and my suggestion is that we get those two out of the way since we don’t know how many players are in the cult. Even scum needs to chip in here. My suggestion of lynch order would be:
Flux > Sorian > LP > Monkey > Natiko > Blarg
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#7
This is actually the first thing about you that caught my attention when I was searching through the thread for instances of the word “vanilla”.
This is a very curious and specific accusation that strikes me as really odd. Why would I, as a vanilla townie, lie and say that I’m actually a PR? Why would you suggest that?
It seems to me that you were using the information you already had as cult leader to preemptively plant the idea that I’d have a reason to lie as vanilla townie. You wanted me as a mislynch for when the cult got revealed - after all, as a town PR I’m as much a threat to you as scum.
With no big leads on who is and who isn’t vanilla, it would’ve made sense for Flux to try recruiting one of the strongest players around.
Sorian likes to pretend that he was positioned against Flux during D2’s EoD, but that’s far from the truth. The reality is that he never took a hard stance in that situation, despite spending all of his 30 posts. To quote from my D4 case against him:
In fact, the most damning thing of all is that he seemed to play assist to Flux when he was struggling with his commuter fake claim:
When Flux couldn’t commit to calling himself a commuter, Sorian quickly stepped in and did that for him, for everyone to see.
Later, on D3, Sorian claimed that Flux was in the same tier of confirmed town as Fran and Fantomas - and above KetKat.
As for Flux - he drew an arbitrary line between my push against him and Sorian’s alleged one. While Flux was comfortable attacking and scumreading me for my D2 EoD behavior, he overlooked it, and said “Your push to lynch me was whatever, I’m not just gonna OMGUS because someone wanted me dead yesterday.”
On D4, Sorian was quick to dismissively handwave my case against Flux’s weirdness away as mere OMGUS.
On D5, when absolutbro claimed that he was a Vanilla Cop, Sorian actually pressed him for all of his investigation results. If he’d been checked, he wouldn’t be able to escape saying the wrong thing. He wanted to have all the info in his own hands - after all, he didn’t know which result absolutbro would get after checking a vanilla townie who had been converted by the cult.
The answer was “not ordinary”. absolutbro existed as town’s way of fighting the cult, after all. It wouldn’t make sense for a converted vanilla townie to show up as merely ordinary, or that would end up aligning with their claim and clearing them.
He’d told Monkey that he was vanilla in his boat chat, which was probably true originally. He had already become a survivor during the Love Boat phase - so he could’ve just claimed to be that to Monkey, who seemingly trusted blindly that he wasn’t Mafia, instead of lying and saying that he was vanilla. And so came the Love Boat moderator claim, which I’m skeptical of regardless of any of the points above now that we know there’s an entire neutral faction out there.
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If Sorian is actually a cult recruit, and Monkey claimed to be vanilla in the boat with him, then she was definitely targeted by Flux during N3. Her horror at the sight of Sawneeks (whom she was apparently suspecting of being scum) about to be lynched after last EoD’s shenanigans struck me as odd. From the scum side of possibilities, her mega-yikes post telling everyone that we couldn’t possibly draw anything from Faddy’s play is the biggest tell. I don’t think she’s town, but that’s down the line
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Regarding Natiko, the line I drew between Sawneeks and Natiko back on D2 stands. I really believed that one of them was scum, and with Sawneeks flipping originally town, my suspicion falls back on Natiko.
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At one point, Blarg screamed in caps “I’M VANILLA NEUTRAL” or something in the thread. Make of that what you will.
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I’m also fairly confident that LP gave himself away as scum during the last EoD. That vote against Sawneeks at that critical time tells me that he isn’t affiliated with the cult, but, alongside with his awful justification for it, also tells me that he wanted to play around with those two “townie” (from his perspective) trains so that we’d end up chain-lynching them. LP was also one of the silent votes against malus on D4. Unlike the cult, though, scum’s numbers aren’t going up anytime soon, so I’m sticking with my vote against Flux.
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I’m pretty sure about Flux and Sorian, and my suggestion is that we get those two out of the way since we don’t know how many players are in the cult. Even scum needs to chip in here. My suggestion of lynch order would be:
Flux > Sorian > LP > Monkey > Natiko > Blarg
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#7
This is actually the first thing about you that caught my attention when I was searching through the thread for instances of the word “vanilla”.
This is a very curious and specific accusation that strikes me as really odd. Why would I, as a vanilla townie, lie and say that I’m actually a PR? Why would you suggest that?
It seems to me that you were using the information you already had as cult leader to preemptively plant the idea that I’d have a reason to lie as vanilla townie. You wanted me as a mislynch for when the cult got revealed - after all, as a town PR I’m as much a threat to you as scum.
Lmao
@Brazil
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...of-the-hamburgers.91092/page-62#post-16844862
Almost teared up from the first part, thanks for the try man.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...of-the-hamburgers.91092/page-62#post-16844862
Almost teared up from the first part, thanks for the try man.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Oh god, that giant post is so sad. Also, you didn’t cause much frustration at all. I think you did pretty well. I was cheering you and Fandorin on actually lol
Sawneeks
little green dog
I'm tempted to order pineapple pizza here just to watch Febe's decent into madness all the more sweeter.
Donna had pineapple pizza tonight, true story.
Look at Sorian and Fluxs posts towards Fantomas.
That would certainly raise my suspicions.
That said, before this, I probably wouldn't have caught up and would probably have bought Sorians neutral claim earlier on (I do trust Febe more than Sorian tbf).
So note to self: Sorian claims neutral, lynch him. No questions asked
side note: Surprised no one is mentioning how Blarg mentioned being a neutral in his ramble yesterday. Yeah I know he isn't but I'd at least have brought it up early on as more than just "blarg being Blarg".
That would certainly raise my suspicions.
That said, before this, I probably wouldn't have caught up and would probably have bought Sorians neutral claim earlier on (I do trust Febe more than Sorian tbf).
So note to self: Sorian claims neutral, lynch him. No questions asked
side note: Surprised no one is mentioning how Blarg mentioned being a neutral in his ramble yesterday. Yeah I know he isn't but I'd at least have brought it up early on as more than just "blarg being Blarg".
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Fix'd
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Depends on flips and if Bar 2 is chosen or not.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
during the night.
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Omg poor febe, your pre written post is so beautiful and you tried, you really did.