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@Stuart444 @Fireblend is it against the rules for scum to know who is who among ourselves? Not saying we SHOULD reveal it but it could be an advantage.
FWIW to my partners, I’m generally a decent, active, player and have won games as town scum and neutral. Any of you new to being scum?
FWIW to my partners, I’m generally a decent, active, player and have won games as town scum and neutral. Any of you new to being scum?
Nah, reveal all you want.
Gamerunners, I'm considering subbing out because i won't be able to play at all this weekend. I'll be totally available after though, but by that time it might be too late. And it looks like the game is starting tomorrow?
I really really want to play but I don't want to bring the game down. I guess the responsible thing to do is sub out
I really really want to play but I don't want to bring the game down. I guess the responsible thing to do is sub out
Fireblend
ABLF
Hey Roman,
We expect there to be lowered activity during the first phase from most players, it was either that or starting on Monday, and we didn't want to delay the season schedule by a weekend. The decision is up to you, obviously. Keep in mind the goal is at least 10 posts from players per phase, and if you can't do that you'll get a warning. I would ask you to try to make it to 10 posts rather than sub out outright, but again, we'll leave that up to you :) sorry for the inconvenience.
We expect there to be lowered activity during the first phase from most players, it was either that or starting on Monday, and we didn't want to delay the season schedule by a weekend. The decision is up to you, obviously. Keep in mind the goal is at least 10 posts from players per phase, and if you can't do that you'll get a warning. I would ask you to try to make it to 10 posts rather than sub out outright, but again, we'll leave that up to you :) sorry for the inconvenience.
I’ll wait for Ken to reply if they want anything revealed before I confirm or deny anything.
Cool. I should be catching up to the in game thread in a bit
Vig’d is more likely. I wouldnt waste checks on you as a cop since you’re likely to get voted or killed by n2 anyway.
You have to come out strong tomorrow with scum hunting to have a chance.
Roman and I going opposite at end works decent since we can’t get lynched for the same thing now. I think Roman will get a pass as a replacement for a while.
I should be much more active next phase. I’ve been trying to track everything in between playing other board games at a con in Vegas and traveling back home.
Who should we kill and/or block?
An active solid player who was not on Ken is ideal.
You have to come out strong tomorrow with scum hunting to have a chance.
Roman and I going opposite at end works decent since we can’t get lynched for the same thing now. I think Roman will get a pass as a replacement for a while.
I should be much more active next phase. I’ve been trying to track everything in between playing other board games at a con in Vegas and traveling back home.
Who should we kill and/or block?
An active solid player who was not on Ken is ideal.
@Roman So of the 7 roles that got rolled for town, we have at least a CC, and 0-2 T. That leaves 3-5 letters for other roles. I do believe we have a Vig rather than an SK, personally, so that's at least another V, leaving them with 2-4 mystery letters. There is definitely still 1 townie as well. We also can't have M or MMM since there's no innocent child.
Things to check the thread for:
Did anyone hint at being responsible for shooting ken?
Has anyone seemed to cooperate with another player a lot, i.e. Masons?
Did anyone's read on someone change drastically, i.e. a cop checked someone?
Otherwise, I'm inclined to have you kill Asuka still. She's the only one that seemed to be on the right track for what happened D1(Ken having two mostly absent teammates) I don't think she's been scum reading either of us which has ups and downs. We lose a potential ally, but we also cast some doubt on anyone she was after. She did say I would be a null read if carl was town though. I feel like Catalina might get vig'd or voted out tomorrow.
Things to check the thread for:
Did anyone hint at being responsible for shooting ken?
Has anyone seemed to cooperate with another player a lot, i.e. Masons?
Did anyone's read on someone change drastically, i.e. a cop checked someone?
Otherwise, I'm inclined to have you kill Asuka still. She's the only one that seemed to be on the right track for what happened D1(Ken having two mostly absent teammates) I don't think she's been scum reading either of us which has ups and downs. We lose a potential ally, but we also cast some doubt on anyone she was after. She did say I would be a null read if carl was town though. I feel like Catalina might get vig'd or voted out tomorrow.
Sorry to the Asuka player when you read this later. No offense intended.
@Fireblend @Stuart444 For now, Roman is killing Asuka.
@Fireblend @Stuart444 For now, Roman is killing Asuka.
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/56044/
Can't quote it cause the thread is locked, but this could maybe be spun as carl giving us a red check on trevor. Still reading more though
Can't quote it cause the thread is locked, but this could maybe be spun as carl giving us a red check on trevor. Still reading more though
Here's an actual read list from Carl:
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/55835/
He leans town on a bunch, but isn't confident about any. Makes me think he either didn't use his power, or hit someone who died.
I also changed my mind about the Trevor thing, partly because he town reads him here, and partly because if a cop had caught scum #2 in this game, they should have claimed the red check immediately since there might only be 2 scum total.
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/55835/
"Here's my current read list:
Trevor: Lean Town - Highest post count, which probably means he's town or a scum who likes to stick out his neck, but I'm going with the former
Niko: Lean town - His posts seem very reasonable to me
TommyV: Lean scum - Quick to try and get a train going on me - but what are the odds that we zero'd in on two scums so early on D1?
Claude: Lean town - Had very similar arguments to mine, so I'm going with my gut here
Asuka: Null - I was leaning scum early in the day, but I've changed my mind - can't fully commit to leaning town, though
Catalina: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Carl: Town - Yes, I am town
Roman: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Franklin: Weak Lean Town - I liked some of his D1 arguments, which unfortunately led me to my Michael vote, but I think that was just unfortunate
Huang: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
I'll be looking closer at whatever my Null reads post today."
Trevor: Lean Town - Highest post count, which probably means he's town or a scum who likes to stick out his neck, but I'm going with the former
Niko: Lean town - His posts seem very reasonable to me
TommyV: Lean scum - Quick to try and get a train going on me - but what are the odds that we zero'd in on two scums so early on D1?
Claude: Lean town - Had very similar arguments to mine, so I'm going with my gut here
Asuka: Null - I was leaning scum early in the day, but I've changed my mind - can't fully commit to leaning town, though
Catalina: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Carl: Town - Yes, I am town
Roman: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Franklin: Weak Lean Town - I liked some of his D1 arguments, which unfortunately led me to my Michael vote, but I think that was just unfortunate
Huang: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
I'll be looking closer at whatever my Null reads post today."
He leans town on a bunch, but isn't confident about any. Makes me think he either didn't use his power, or hit someone who died.
I also changed my mind about the Trevor thing, partly because he town reads him here, and partly because if a cop had caught scum #2 in this game, they should have claimed the red check immediately since there might only be 2 scum total.
https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/55987/
Carl kind of breadcrumbs here.
Carl kind of breadcrumbs here.
"I’ve kinda implied some names in my previous posts, but I don’t want to get turbo’d while I’m asleep and without a chance to defend myself one last time."
He was recently voting for tommy at this point.
Command Received
Saves us the hassle of shouting GO TO SLEEP multiple times when trying to write up Day end flavour and do the flips.
Can we compromise and lock it for an hour or so than unlock it so scum and proactive townies can quote stuff in preparation for the next day?
Yeah i seriously doubt that we would be able to convince anyone he had gotten a red check,
if he had theres no way he wouldnt have come out about it given how much he was on the defensive all of D2.
I cant think of any argument that could be made for why he would have kept a red check to himself throughout that entire situation, especially considering his self destruction right at the end.
Anyway i need to sleep now, bur all systems go with the Asuka kill.
if he had theres no way he wouldnt have come out about it given how much he was on the defensive all of D2.
I cant think of any argument that could be made for why he would have kept a red check to himself throughout that entire situation, especially considering his self destruction right at the end.
Anyway i need to sleep now, bur all systems go with the Asuka kill.
hmm, I have no problems with it I guess. I'll do that now.
We could be down to 7 players when this day starts. Small games feel so weird. I think if I was a vig, i'd be shooting catalina tonight. If I was a doc, probably protect trevor? Maybe huang or me? If I was a cop, probably Huang or Roman cause I'd feel like they were too low in activity. RB/Tracker, who knows. i've always been terrible at those.
Think imma go with 1 shot doc on trevor N2, that sound good?
Justified as that i was too unsure of the game on N1 given having replaced in, and i doubted i was going to die that night and would have a better chance of the protection working if i just held it.
I think this makes sense and its not so basic that its easily called out.
Justified as that i was too unsure of the game on N1 given having replaced in, and i doubted i was going to die that night and would have a better chance of the protection working if i just held it.
I think this makes sense and its not so basic that its easily called out.
Seems good to me. The sooner you claim it the better.
not sure i follow, this is in relation to who?
And dont worry bout it, i mean i had nothing on the setup and this is just some bad luck.
I'm so confused. We have MMDCC for sure.
Claude is either a V or the serial killer. Serial Killer is only possible if we have 1 T. If we have 1 T, it means a townie is lying about their claim somewhere. He also can't be a single V, because we've had two extra kills. I actually think he fucked himself and is a VV. It's either that or another vanilla townie lied, which is also super stupid. Either way though, I think you're doomed tomorrow after Claude flips. Sorry about that.
Then it's 4v1, with 1 confirmed townie. Tommy probably dies, I kill the remainder of either trevor or catalina, and it comes down to 2v1 last day. Don't like those odds.
@Stuart444 @Fireblend Is no kill an option for us? If someone asked in the game thread, what would your answer be?
Claude is either a V or the serial killer. Serial Killer is only possible if we have 1 T. If we have 1 T, it means a townie is lying about their claim somewhere. He also can't be a single V, because we've had two extra kills. I actually think he fucked himself and is a VV. It's either that or another vanilla townie lied, which is also super stupid. Either way though, I think you're doomed tomorrow after Claude flips. Sorry about that.
Then it's 4v1, with 1 confirmed townie. Tommy probably dies, I kill the remainder of either trevor or catalina, and it comes down to 2v1 last day. Don't like those odds.
@Stuart444 @Fireblend Is no kill an option for us? If someone asked in the game thread, what would your answer be?
So claude is either a VV, or one of the other vanilla townie claims is the SK, and he really is just a V. The latter is going to be pure chaos, so that's what I'm hoping for.
What will you tell town if they ask?
What will you tell town if they ask?
So 7 now. We're definitely not getting SK today between claude and roman, which means 2 more are possible tonight. SK has to kill Roman or risk losing. I can either kill one of the masons, or try for the SK myself, but 50/50 he has BP.
I have to go for confirmed townies though, and hope we can lynch the SK. I'm probably fucked either way, tbh. Really not a fan of this style of game.
@Fireblend Can SK no kill?
I have to go for confirmed townies though, and hope we can lynch the SK. I'm probably fucked either way, tbh. Really not a fan of this style of game.
@Fireblend Can SK no kill?
Fireblend
ABLF
All killing roles in this setup say "you may", not "you must". Therefore I would allow any killing role to choose not to kill any specific night.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++
@Roman Trying to figure out who the Sk is via the deaths right now.
So he scum read catalina, asuka, carl, and tommy. Town read trevor and huang. I'm inclined to think it's not Huang, and could be tommy based on this one. I wish we knew where the SK went N1. He might have targeted Lance, I guess.
So he scum read catalina, asuka, carl, and tommy. Town read trevor and huang. I'm inclined to think it's not Huang, and could be tommy based on this one. I wish we knew where the SK went N1. He might have targeted Lance, I guess.
@Roman I am very tempted to post the following post. Tell me if you think it's a bad idea.
So I always like to look back at the people who died, since we can at least trust that they believed their reads, and we've lost games because we ignore them. Well, there's a common thread between Asuka's scum reads and Nico's scum reads. After I noticed that, I went back to look at D1/N1, and guess who ken and lance both voted for d1. I'll come back to this point.
I think Tommy is the SK or scum with as much certainty as I've felt about anything this game. That said, I lean far more heavily towards SK rather than scum for a few reasons. One, if he was scum, it means we had two scum on D1. The lack of movement for so long D1 does not make me think that's the case, and tommy never took his vote off Ken. Scum bussing that hard on D1? Don't buy it.
It does leave us with the Roman vs Claude issue. I'm inclined to believe Claude here, again, because a vig killing Ken makes more sense than a SK overall. It does leave us with the missing kill N1, but it's possible Lance was targeted by two people, Asuka protected somebody, scum hit BP SK, or Ken blocked the SK. The latter two are probably worse for town because it means scum has even more information advantage.
So I always like to look back at the people who died, since we can at least trust that they believed their reads, and we've lost games because we ignore them. Well, there's a common thread between Asuka's scum reads and Nico's scum reads. After I noticed that, I went back to look at D1/N1, and guess who ken and lance both voted for d1. I'll come back to this point.
I think Tommy is the SK or scum with as much certainty as I've felt about anything this game. That said, I lean far more heavily towards SK rather than scum for a few reasons. One, if he was scum, it means we had two scum on D1. The lack of movement for so long D1 does not make me think that's the case, and tommy never took his vote off Ken. Scum bussing that hard on D1? Don't buy it.
It does leave us with the Roman vs Claude issue. I'm inclined to believe Claude here, again, because a vig killing Ken makes more sense than a SK overall. It does leave us with the missing kill N1, but it's possible Lance was targeted by two people, Asuka protected somebody, scum hit BP SK, or Ken blocked the SK. The latter two are probably worse for town because it means scum has even more information advantage.
If I'm right though, what does it gain us? We go into the night 4v0v2, right? We kill Trevor, which takes us to 3v2. Than you or claude get lynched. If claude, we win, but I don't think town will do that. So they lynch you, which confirms claude as town, and leaves me 3v1 with two confirmed townies. I kill one of them, and the remaining confirmed townie has a 50/50 at me or huang, lol. Can I win that? Seems unlikely.
fuckin hell this is rough. Am I better off leaving the damn SK alone for now and letting them lynch Claude today? That's also messy as hell.
fuckin hell this is rough. Am I better off leaving the damn SK alone for now and letting them lynch Claude today? That's also messy as hell.