Game Thread Grand Mini Mafia V - Game Thread
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
TommyV (2 votes)
Lance - #33 #58
Niko - #52
Huang - #89
Michael (1 votes)
Lance - #80
Ken (1 votes)
Trevor - #38
Lance (1 votes)
Catalina - #75
Claude (0 votes)
Trevor - #7 #38
Asuka (0 votes)
Lance - #58 #80
Not voting: Claude, Michael, TommyV, Franklin, Roman, Ken, Carl, Asuka
Post Counts:
Trevor: 25 Lance: 13 Niko: 10 Michael: 8 Asuka: 7 Ken: 6 TommyV: 5 Catalina: 5 Claude: 4 Huang: 3 Franklin: 3 Carl: 3
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Day Start
TommyV (2 votes)
Niko - #52
Huang - #89
Michael (1 votes)
Lance - #80
Ken (1 votes)
Trevor - #38
Lance (1 votes)
Catalina - #75
Claude (0 votes)
Asuka (0 votes)
Not voting: Claude, Michael, TommyV, Franklin, Roman, Ken, Carl, Asuka
Post Counts:
Trevor: 25 Lance: 13 Niko: 10 Michael: 8 Asuka: 7 Ken: 6 TommyV: 5 Catalina: 5 Claude: 4 Huang: 3 Franklin: 3 Carl: 3
Current Countdown:
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You wouldn't be nervous if someone wanted to murder you? I worry I might need to drop the costume/roleplay bit, because being a character looks like it's bad for my health.
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I can see why TommyV is leading in the votes. Normally I don't like for being voted or voting for defensiveness, but it's way early for being like that. Though not like thats enough for me to vote there right now.
Agreed.
I stare at Tommy. I pull out a glass, keeping my face steady. I then pour some punch into it, and slide it over. I fold my arms underneath my chin, staring him down.
"You first."
Lamar just died and you're suggesting we drink punch? Is this a fucking game to you? Because buddy, I'm a professional and while I'm breathing I'll hunt down these murderous scum to the end of the god damn city if need be.
If you're interested in staying alive, I'd suggest you do the same.
I don't think I've ever touched a GTA game before, let alone a wierd DS spin off.
Everything is a game to me. I just hope I get to rattle some cages before my pieces are cleaned off the board.Lamar just died and you're suggesting we drink punch? Is this a fucking game to you? Because buddy, I'm a professional and while I'm breathing I'll hunt down these murderous scum to the end of the god damn city if need be.
If you're interested in staying alive, I'd suggest you do the same.
I don't think I've ever touched a GTA game before, let alone a wierd DS spin off.
You're a kind soul. I appreciate the offer. But for our sake, I suggest we toss that shit off the pier.
Carl, you got any thoughts to share?
Tommy, I feel like we've spent enough time on the flavor here, what are your thoughts on some of the topics today?
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Closing in on the halfway point of the phase here, I feel like I know where some players stand, but there are a lot who are just kind of hanging out and not really giving me much to work with.
Just based on that...
Would Vote Today:
TommyV
Carl
Ken
I feel like I have the least to work with from these 3 so far, and they seem to be the least willing to put down some thoughts as well.
Tommy, I feel like we've spent enough time on the flavor here, what are your thoughts on some of the topics today?
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Closing in on the halfway point of the phase here, I feel like I know where some players stand, but there are a lot who are just kind of hanging out and not really giving me much to work with.
Just based on that...
Would Vote Today:
TommyV
Carl
Ken
I feel like I have the least to work with from these 3 so far, and they seem to be the least willing to put down some thoughts as well.
To Michael above, I can’t follow on the talk of scum finding new people to then somehow use them as cover to protect themselves. That would require a lot more steps in this game since you also have to do the work of convincing other people that someone is who they are which I think is against the rules, too lazy to check that, or the other person would have to put themselves which I doubt many do.
Going to do this to move the needle a bit and because the double down on saying someone else was the one fishing instead of just admitting they came out looking that way is a good thread.
VOTE: Ken
Going to do this to move the needle a bit and because the double down on saying someone else was the one fishing instead of just admitting they came out looking that way is a good thread.
VOTE: Ken
Guess half of Day 1 is over.
What I learnt:
On a more serious note, still undecided on who to vote for real. Will just use my voting power to poke Franklin out of his mere 3 posts, all of which were used to describe how awkward all of this is. I mean, we know.
[HIGHLIGHT ]VOTE: Franklin[ /HIGHLIGHT]
What I learnt:
- I should use more gifs;
- Nobody played Chinatown wars (which is a shame, great game);
- Don't drink the punch. This one is good advice for parties IRL too.
On a more serious note, still undecided on who to vote for real. Will just use my voting power to poke Franklin out of his mere 3 posts, all of which were used to describe how awkward all of this is. I mean, we know.
[HIGHLIGHT ]VOTE: Franklin[ /HIGHLIGHT]
...what's wrong with me today.
Revealing/discovering who's really behind a costume is technically not against the rules, but actively discouraged.
About my argument, I just wanted to point out how that kind of information is not useless per se (despite what was being hinted at by other players). This game being a costume game makes it a harder/inconvenient tactic to use, but again, I was just talking in theory there.
Revealing/discovering who's really behind a costume is technically not against the rules, but actively discouraged.
About my argument, I just wanted to point out how that kind of information is not useless per se (despite what was being hinted at by other players). This game being a costume game makes it a harder/inconvenient tactic to use, but again, I was just talking in theory there.
You didn't touch the punch did you?
Voting for someone just because of not saying much on a weekend is pretty dumb.
We’re trying to deduce who’s scum and who’s not, and just throwing out names indiscriminately just benefits scum.
Any particular reason why Franklin was the target as opposed to the other “one and done” posters?
Well, some of us are.
The issue here is that yes, it is a low-activity weekend-start D1. That is rough. However, I can't play with people who don't talk. It doesn't work. Two players told us they would be busy, Claude and Franklin. They are getting the benefit of the doubt from me right now because of that.
The most I have from some people in this game is "Hey guys, Lamar lol, the punch lol. No opinions on anything else though." I have definitely seen Scum behave this way in the past on D1, this is definitely a form of Scum hunting for me on D1, especially when I have no meta arguments to make because I do not know for sure who you all are.
Have you got any deductions to share? Preferably not related to any alcoholic beverages
I agree that Franklin isn't the best target given the amount of jokesters roaming this thread, but a pressure vote is a pressure vote, so it's whatever for me.
I love small talk, my brother. But when you come busting in talking about some catch up and give you time and you got to have coffee, I for damn sure expect more than this:
sort of important but maybe not important today = nothing
More about costumes and maybe it's important and maybe this thing is happening but maybe it isn't and maybe because someone is acting some kinda way not doesn't mean they will but maybe but maybe but maybe = nothing
literal nothing here about the game beyond an observation on someone's post count
more on costumes that is maybe and maybe and it could be but still also = nothing
This about all your posts in the game, my man, and they are all nothing. It's day one here and I get that but damn, son, this ain't nothing but fluff and maybes and some speculation on costumes, which results to mechanics here. And it's every damn one of your posts.
Nah, I know who Lance is for sure, I'll say that out loud lol.
Did you want me to... keep my opinions to myself???
I agree with this here though. I'm a little ???wtf??? over the observation but doesn't seem to be any agenda or anything around it.
We are not about to no lynch. Odds are we hit town. That's math. But it's all the votes around that shit that makes a difference. Why pushes? Why? They just going along? They happy to jump on a town train? They swinging the votes away from someone else?
Oh summer child, you are not prepared for the coming storm...
We need to kill D1 because it gives us voting info, if we didn't kill anyone what would change for D2 other than mafia having a chance to kill one of us off
I think my intentions behind that vote are pretty clear. I am still undecided, and just poking the guy while I decide who to really vote.
I went by post count. Just noticed the guy said he's on vacation. Doesn't really change much since it's meant to be a poke.
It's not like we have much to go for.
And to be honest, most of the fluff about costumes was in response to your question.
That's a weak ass attempt to deflect but at least you're saying something.
People are going to tell you it's a bad idea to do a No Lynch, and I fully agree with them.
However, I will also add on that I have not only seen Scum get caught on D1 more than once, but I have also seen more than one Scum player be a top candidate on D1 at EoD. It's not just luck that makes it happen either, it's Town figuring out who isn't one of them. Which we can do by jumping at anything and everything that could be the sign of a Mafia player. Even if we end up being wrong, it's better to go down those roads and see what happens.
So on that note, does anything stick out to you here Tommy? Who would you vote for?
Welcome, Roman.
Let's not do this. I ain't gonna give you a hard time for the rest of the day because of a common (bad) argument like this, since you could just be new, but man let's just say: no, we're gonna lynch somebody today, because that's what town needs to do if we want to win.
Yeah exactly. The recent Mansion game is a prime example of all the info that can be gleaned from D1, even if it's not immediately apparent during the game.
Claude's vote slides to the middle of the table, joining the steadily growing pile. The day is growing long and tiresome, but the tensions remain on edge. Whomever is killed next will be decided by us, and not by the killer. Smoke rose from someone's cigarette. Not mine. But it made the cravings worse. I leant back in my seat, growing weary.
"It seems like a whole lot of talk about nothing, and a whole lot of talk about a whole lot of talk about nothing. That would mean that my contribution to the discussion would be me talking about people talking about people who are talking about a whole lot of nothing. I've nothing to add to what's already been said."
But was that really all there was to it? Something was lurking beneath the surface of every statement. Something I didn't like. Someone here was the killer, and maybe in the future, words spoken today would ammount to something. But what even was nothing, and how could we talk about it? I muse on this for a few seconds, coming to the realization that nobody could possibly have an example of nothing and therefore we could not be talking about it, because nothing, as a concept, doesn't exist. Even as a word describing itself, it exists to describe itself. But even pointing to the void of space yields atoms.
"I'll need to see how the chips fall before I play my hand. I'm watching you all, and I'll speak only when I have something to say..."
Yet, that wasn't true at all. Sometimes words just yielded responses, even in the void of meaning. Meaning that may be seen but not recognized.
"It seems like a whole lot of talk about nothing, and a whole lot of talk about a whole lot of talk about nothing. That would mean that my contribution to the discussion would be me talking about people talking about people who are talking about a whole lot of nothing. I've nothing to add to what's already been said."
But was that really all there was to it? Something was lurking beneath the surface of every statement. Something I didn't like. Someone here was the killer, and maybe in the future, words spoken today would ammount to something. But what even was nothing, and how could we talk about it? I muse on this for a few seconds, coming to the realization that nobody could possibly have an example of nothing and therefore we could not be talking about it, because nothing, as a concept, doesn't exist. Even as a word describing itself, it exists to describe itself. But even pointing to the void of space yields atoms.
"I'll need to see how the chips fall before I play my hand. I'm watching you all, and I'll speak only when I have something to say..."
Yet, that wasn't true at all. Sometimes words just yielded responses, even in the void of meaning. Meaning that may be seen but not recognized.
Ahah, my cousin everyone.
Always so serious.
I dont want to hold it too much against him tho, its not to hard to get what he means by just paying a little bit of attention, and i have little doubt he will be able to tone things down a bit if needed.
Yeah feels a bit early for me to commit there today given i only just caught up, michaels play feels iffy but its hardly unheard of for town to be like that on day 1.
Also speaking of lance they gave me a few bits of weirdness on my catchup as well.
But other than that noones really jumped out enough for me to make that call just yet. Everyone else has gelt pretty good to null.
Also the site booped me like you quoted my posts but you didnt,
The fuck.
The reaction Lance gave to Catalina's explanation for her vote on him, and then immediately agreeing with Huang's take about it feeling towny, that felt a bit strange to me. Other than that nothing much has jumped out to me, just some pushes on different players, exploring their reactions. Seems to be strongly focused on Michael at the moment maybe, but no one else is really on him, so I get it.
What do you think of Asuka? That's someone who is standing out to me as being capable of having a strong voice in the room, but they seem to be staying in the shadows a bit here.
The standard setting on this site notifies you every time somebody posts in one of your subscribed threads, so better to turn that off if it annoys you.
Ah. Okay, well I appreciate the insight. My instinct is to be cautious, which would probably lead me to being indecisive. I don't want no baddies going free because I can't pull the trigger, but in the back of my mind, I worried about that gun being pointed at an innocent. Guess I gotta roll with the punches and see how the dice drop to start figuring anything out.
I have no one sticking out to me as of yet, mostly because I'm doing my best to hold back my emotions, which would make me lash out and vote against someone who voted for me. That seems like a rookie mistake though. Gotta keep calm, and look at the whole picture. Something in my gut was suspicious of Huang early on, but I've nothing concrete as of yet.
Right now, I'm curious why Ken has 2 votes. Has he done something that has stuck out to people? Taking another look at his posts and they're feeling mostly innocent?
Can you explain why you feel this way?
Hi, Roman. You are even more obvious than Huang lol but welcome!
I mean, you can clearly read why both people voted for Ken, I said it in my vote post and I believe Trevor did too but if not, I know he had a post almost right above my posts where he threw out 3 people he'd be interested it. The votes on you seem more out of place than anything and I'm surprised you didn't call them out. Huang voted on nothing considering his explanation boiled down to not liking your short-lived attempt at RP and maybe Niko has a good reason but it doesn't seem like it and I'm having issues reading the actual serious info from his RP posts.
My vote on Ken was a 2-part thing. I wanted to pressure him into playing some more, and I also felt that he had a weak entrance that could have been seen as a form of fishing. Since he hasn't done much since and was a bit overly defensive of his own posts for my taste, I haven't really felt the need to move it. Asuka dropped a vote on him as well more recently, citing the fact that he doubled down on his stance instead of just admitting how it made him look instead.
That being said, I'm not married to the Ken vote. Carl is coasting pretty hard still so my eye is on him. There's some others here and there like Michael and Huang that I'm keeping a closer watch on, everyone else is in varying degrees of "not much to go off of" or "wouldn't want to vote for them today".
I’m trying to re-read everything and so far there isn’t much.
Ken’s comment? Meh. Don’t think he was fishing. It’s unfortunate that he’s getting votes for that.
Niko’s posts are making it difificult to go through the posts. I commend him for the dedication, but I’d rather he give it up or just shorten them.
And why do I have 100 posts per page? My settings say 50.
Ken’s comment? Meh. Don’t think he was fishing. It’s unfortunate that he’s getting votes for that.
Niko’s posts are making it difificult to go through the posts. I commend him for the dedication, but I’d rather he give it up or just shorten them.
And why do I have 100 posts per page? My settings say 50.
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Ken (2 votes)
Trevor - #38
Asuka - #115
TommyV (2 votes)
Lance - #33 #58
Niko - #52
Huang - #89
Franklin (1 votes)
Michael - #118
Michael (1 votes)
Lance - #80
Lance (1 votes)
Catalina - #75
Niko (1 votes)
Claude - #141
Claude (0 votes)
Trevor - #7 #38
Asuka (0 votes)
Lance - #58 #80
Not voting: TommyV, Franklin, Roman, Ken, Carl
Post Counts:
Trevor: 34 Lance: 19 Michael: 13 Niko: 13 Claude: 10 TommyV: 10 Asuka: 10 Huang: 9 Carl: 9 Ken: 7 Roman: 5 Catalina: 5 Franklin: 3
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Day Start
Ken (2 votes)
Trevor - #38
Asuka - #115
TommyV (2 votes)
Niko - #52
Huang - #89
Franklin (1 votes)
Michael - #118
Michael (1 votes)
Lance - #80
Lance (1 votes)
Catalina - #75
Niko (1 votes)
Claude - #141
Claude (0 votes)
Asuka (0 votes)
Not voting: TommyV, Franklin, Roman, Ken, Carl
Post Counts:
Trevor: 34 Lance: 19 Michael: 13 Niko: 13 Claude: 10 TommyV: 10 Asuka: 10 Huang: 9 Carl: 9 Ken: 7 Roman: 5 Catalina: 5 Franklin: 3
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I make no apologies for my identity.
From my view, he's getting votes because he's trying to insist there was no fishing and that someone else was the problem. Feels too jumpy, most people would have just taken that L and moved on.
I'm goin' for a Noir thing because I thought it'd be funny, but I've started splitting up the long drawling speeches and the sentences so that you guys can more easily focus on the things that you think matter. I'm not dropping the gimmick entirely, because it's too fun for that, but if this silly experiment is going to get shade thrown on me I'll mitigate it eeeeeeeever so slightly for the sake of the game.
I'd suggest looking through my posts and finding the ones which made you suspicious, if you're waiting for something concrete it's not going to happen so present what little argument you have and if I'm the only one you find suspicious you should vote for me, voting is always a good thing for town and I'm not going to OMGUS you for it lol
I don't have a problem with people roleplaying (I'm taking part in it too after all) but it felt that Niko was contributing with actual posts, just heavily filtered through a jokester persona. Tommy meanwhile was just waffling and when someone accused him of a scum-tell he ignored it, doesn't make me heavily scum read him or anything but given I put in that vote within 7 hours of day start what do you expect :3
In terms of his recent fiasco, I've come to the conclusion to ignore it, wanting a no lynch when you're in the lead is NAI and whether he was genuine is something I'm unsure about (especially when there's a yuri avatar wielding member somewhere among us).
Ultimately I've decided to keep my vote on him for now, if I start getting town vibes (I'm hopeful he'll have some actual though process to show via his gut read on me) or if I think someone else looks particularly scummy then that'll obviously change.
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Towny: Trevor, Catalina, Lance
Scummy: Ken, Tommy
Niko was a town read but seeing the entity behind the mask makes me more unsure, but it's kind of based on meta :'(
Michael is probably the one I'm watching the most now, partly because people have shown he's contributed a lot less then I thought he had (probably because I keep merging him and Trevor together, might be because they share an orange sky)
I agree with Trevor on Asuka, but for me that's currently NAI, I don't think I'd want to vote for him today
Yeah, it's obviously some standard D1 bullshit, but it's one of the best leads I feel like I have right now.
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As for somewhat of a janky reads list since we are approaching EoD now today...
Would Vote Today:
Ken
Michael
Claude
I'm not ready to call anyone Town tbh, but as for the players who's thoughts, or lack thereof, are most sticking out to me, I land on these ones.
I had TommyV and Carl in my list along with Ken before, but yes, I have made some changes there.
Not too interested in TommyV anymore, we can apply more pressure there later if need be.
Carl claims he'll be more active on weekdays, I'd like to see what that looks like.
Franklin is getting the benefit of the doubt because he said he was busy this weekend.
These three though, Ken/Michael/Claude, I don't feel like I know where any of them are coming from. Ken has been real coasting, whereas Michael and Claude are more subtly doing it by not really giving us any meaty opinions to work with.
Could I get you to expand on these a bit perhaps? Especially Catalina. Myself and Lance have been pretty active and are putting a lot of thoughts down, but Catalina only has 5 posts. I know you mentioned feeling towny vibes from one of them, but is there anything else that makes you put her next to me and Lance in your Town reads?
For the record, I'm not getting any scum vibes from her posts really, but I just want to hear why you're so confident in putting her in a Town list already.
I had some shit going down this morning and I worried I would have a lot to catch up to when I got here but turns out nah. Votes haven't moved. Handful of posts. I know it's the weekend but y'all here to play some motherfucking mafia or...?
Michael, Ken, and Tommy are the places I'd most want to vote right now. Michael I want to hear more from. Ken too. Something of substance from those two, and I don't want to hear anything about there being no substance so far. Sheer lack of vote movement is substance of its own. Tommy is more a gut feeling than anything else so wouldn't be my first vote choice but I got an eye over there.
Maybe toss in Trevor because... Trevor. I got a little outlier tickle from Huang but that's gonna need to sit a minute.
I'm good on leaving my vote on Michael for now but I don't like this lack of vote movement or anything else at all.
Michael, Ken, and Tommy are the places I'd most want to vote right now. Michael I want to hear more from. Ken too. Something of substance from those two, and I don't want to hear anything about there being no substance so far. Sheer lack of vote movement is substance of its own. Tommy is more a gut feeling than anything else so wouldn't be my first vote choice but I got an eye over there.
Maybe toss in Trevor because... Trevor. I got a little outlier tickle from Huang but that's gonna need to sit a minute.
I'm good on leaving my vote on Michael for now but I don't like this lack of vote movement or anything else at all.
That hard deflection and so much nothing else, mmhmm.
Okay this is amazing.By the way I asked to change my avatar to this to make the joke clearer but avatar changes were disallowed so here it is for your viewing pleasure before I sink back into Noir mode FOREVER (or until the end of this game)
On a serious note though, agreed on almost everything (which is deeply concerning to me, but I'll live)
And yeah, I haven't had a reason to move my vote off of Ken, so I'm pretty ok with it, but would be down to move to Michael with you. But the lack of other votes and vote movement is disturbing. Closing in on EoD now, plenty of people have yet to place a vote, and the rest are pretty spread out. I really want to see what others are thinking here and where these votes land.
Honestly it is just that one post, in any other game I wouldn't put her in my town reads (though I don't require much to put people in my reads list, I find it better than just leaving them as null) but with our current set of players that one post is enough to make me want her to survive the day.
You and Lance are putting in work and I don't share people's bad vibes on Lance, his discussion on costumes started and finished quickly and certainly didn't ring any alarm bells. I think he was also the first person to properly adress Michael's coasting, which if he was scum he could have saved for later and gone after an easier target, so that gets town points for me.
You're on my town list for similar reasons as Lance but with the added bonus of a gut town read
None of these are strong reads but I did title it wild speculation for a reason though :)
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Kind of related but I'm not sure how present I'll be at day end (tis why I wanted to put out a reads list so early), I'll be on a train so wifi will be spotty and mobile only
I'm fine with anyone on my scum list + Michael being thrown in with the fishes
Agreed, depending on how things develop, which is also deeply concerning to me but I'm willing to give that a minute and see where it all goes.
That's fair, I've just found lately that I get burnt if I hand out early town reads and just start assuming I was right, so I just wanted to see if you had reasons.
I would like to hear more from Catalina though as I do agree that she seemed to be pretty Townie there in her one appearance so far, but with nothing to follow up on I haven't really been able to Confirm that feeling at all.
Anyone else sticking out to you here? I saw you mentioned Tommy earlier since he's one of the vote leaders, what do you think of Ken though?
I feel like costume games take awhile for me to actually get my footing because I'm reading the posts but not properly linking them in my mind to anyone. Just to give a high level read now though so I have something in the wild.
I think both Trevor and Lance are town. Trevor seems more genuine, I'm more comfortable in that read because he's guiding conversation but it doesn't seem to be just for the sake of being the one to guide that conversation. If I'm wrong on those two Lance would be the one I'm more worried about. The only place he rings hollow is that he is asking good questions but then accepting easy answers before changing focus. On day 1 with a game this slow, that's not exactly bad behavior but I figure it's worth the mention.
I have thoughts on Huang, Niko, Tommy, and Ken without really having a firm town/scum bucket to throw them in. Still don't see Huang as fishing with the new players comment. The most that comment served was presenting himself as a veteran which could have it's own connotations but I would think that would make you more of a target. I do see he kind of handwaved his own vote above without actually justifying why it's still there and I'm curious to see if he just sits on it the rest of the day because that will be a bigger hole to poke on day 2.
That said, Huang does at least make a good point on Tommy in terms of why the original vote was there. Tommy almost feels like he was riding the RP train after Niko got it started and with less actual substance. He backed off the RP quick once votes came in but the thing I do like is he questioned why his co-wagon was even getting votes. On the crap shoot day 1, why bother cutting out another wagon at the knees when you are getting attention?
Niko's schtick makes sense now. I'll wait and see if his posts are easier for me to decipher.
And then Ken I've already touched on. It's a comfortable vote and I'm not stuck to it but if he stays a contender, I don't see myself moving to someone else.
Everyone else feels too much in the shadows and I haven't gotten a real beat on any of them. Michael is probably the weirdest one there because I feel like he has a lot of content but I have no read at all.
I think both Trevor and Lance are town. Trevor seems more genuine, I'm more comfortable in that read because he's guiding conversation but it doesn't seem to be just for the sake of being the one to guide that conversation. If I'm wrong on those two Lance would be the one I'm more worried about. The only place he rings hollow is that he is asking good questions but then accepting easy answers before changing focus. On day 1 with a game this slow, that's not exactly bad behavior but I figure it's worth the mention.
I have thoughts on Huang, Niko, Tommy, and Ken without really having a firm town/scum bucket to throw them in. Still don't see Huang as fishing with the new players comment. The most that comment served was presenting himself as a veteran which could have it's own connotations but I would think that would make you more of a target. I do see he kind of handwaved his own vote above without actually justifying why it's still there and I'm curious to see if he just sits on it the rest of the day because that will be a bigger hole to poke on day 2.
That said, Huang does at least make a good point on Tommy in terms of why the original vote was there. Tommy almost feels like he was riding the RP train after Niko got it started and with less actual substance. He backed off the RP quick once votes came in but the thing I do like is he questioned why his co-wagon was even getting votes. On the crap shoot day 1, why bother cutting out another wagon at the knees when you are getting attention?
Niko's schtick makes sense now. I'll wait and see if his posts are easier for me to decipher.
And then Ken I've already touched on. It's a comfortable vote and I'm not stuck to it but if he stays a contender, I don't see myself moving to someone else.
Everyone else feels too much in the shadows and I haven't gotten a real beat on any of them. Michael is probably the weirdest one there because I feel like he has a lot of content but I have no read at all.
My head at the moment: I could assume those talking the most are scum themselves, and trying to avoid suspicion through their activity. Trevor is #1 here, but has given me no reason to believe he isn't a townie. In fact, I'm left thinking he's one of the most valuable ones here. His posts show clear-thought and experience. The town needs him throughout the coming days and nights. If there is someone to protect, it's him. I get nervous potentially putting a crosshair on his head by saying this out loud, but surely any scum have come to the same conclusion. He rallies the troops. If there is agreement here, then it's going to be a chess match of when they decide to go after him to weaken us all.
Right now, I'm going off the opposite assumption. Those who are the most quiet are trying to avoid scrutiny. I know it's a busy weekend for some, but with 6 hours to go, now my suspicions are growing at the low post counts. I've gone back and re-read posts a few times, and I want to lean on Ken purely for his defensiveness, or Michael because of his nonchalant, breezy entrance. The latter is a really poor reason though, and he came back to lay out his thoughts as he said he would. Sso I'm feeling Ken. However, I can't vote in good faith until these low posters get yapping.
Right now, I'm going off the opposite assumption. Those who are the most quiet are trying to avoid scrutiny. I know it's a busy weekend for some, but with 6 hours to go, now my suspicions are growing at the low post counts. I've gone back and re-read posts a few times, and I want to lean on Ken purely for his defensiveness, or Michael because of his nonchalant, breezy entrance. The latter is a really poor reason though, and he came back to lay out his thoughts as he said he would. Sso I'm feeling Ken. However, I can't vote in good faith until these low posters get yapping.
I agree with you on wanting to here more from her but that same desire sadly applys to everyone but you, Lance and Asuka
Would be interested in hearing you expand your reasoning for being interested in voting Claud?
I looked through his post and while he's being coasty I'd like to know if anything stuck out in particular
I thought Zeke didn't sign up?
Actually the most suspicious thing you are doing is trying to direct traffic. That's a yikes from me.
It was kind of a gut thing, especially with the vote on Niko and not much other discussion about the game, though he has now removed that vote so I'm interested in hearing his response to my question.
Dumb question, but what do you mean by direct traffic? I absolutely want to put attention on Trevor, if that is what you mean. Scum are conversing. They are picking out who needs to go. We need to do the same, but on the other side. Any scum with two cents surely would target our most active talkers, right? We have to plot out in the open, which puts us at a strong disadvantage. Still, we have to do it. Just as we're trying to figure out who is scum, I think it's important to talk about who scum might target. That's where I'm coming from.
Except, if you are scum, then you are diverting attention to one person which leaves others open. Trevor, if town, is a good kill but it's not exactly a necessity and it reads like you are trying to sell that it is.
Curious that you choose to deflect via an attempted argument re-framing. Arrogance is unfitting of Town in my opinion.
How do we discuss who possible targets are without diverting attention to them then? I don't want to rub anyone else the wrong way and make them feel un-important, because that definitely isn't what I'm going for. But while Trevor might not be a necessity, my point is that his death would greatly weaken the town. He has double the posts of the #2 poster. In a game without a lot of posting activity, we need active talkers more than anything.
Oh man. Did not expect this to still be this slow 5 hours from the end of the day.
I did go through the thread again, so here's my updated thoughts.
Lance and Trevor: both very active, both asking a lot of question. Lance is more aggressive and shifts focus pretty quickly.
High post count and leading conversations could be tied to both town and scum, so it's not necessarily telling.
On Trevor's case, I can't help but trust him right now. The only thing I kind of disagree with him on is voting Ken, but more on that later.
I can't say the same about Lance, but it's a gut feeling that comes 90% from having been a target of his accusations. I do understand how that kind of play works through, so I guess I'll wait a bit more before I form an opinion.
About Ken, that was a really weak attempt at fishing. So weak, that I can't really believe it's been purposefully done by scum on their first post.
On the other hand, what came after is more suspicious. He's kind of shying away without a convincing explanation of what he was doing. I'd argue that even just saying "I was joking" would have worked better that what he came up with.
So... I wouldn't actively decide to vote for him, but I'm open to being convinced.
I'm still annoyed by Niko's roleplaying. Glad to see it toned down.
I got more going on but this post is getting too long, and I've seen 15ish new posts pop up in the meantime, so I'll be back after I read them.
I did go through the thread again, so here's my updated thoughts.
Lance and Trevor: both very active, both asking a lot of question. Lance is more aggressive and shifts focus pretty quickly.
High post count and leading conversations could be tied to both town and scum, so it's not necessarily telling.
On Trevor's case, I can't help but trust him right now. The only thing I kind of disagree with him on is voting Ken, but more on that later.
I can't say the same about Lance, but it's a gut feeling that comes 90% from having been a target of his accusations. I do understand how that kind of play works through, so I guess I'll wait a bit more before I form an opinion.
About Ken, that was a really weak attempt at fishing. So weak, that I can't really believe it's been purposefully done by scum on their first post.
On the other hand, what came after is more suspicious. He's kind of shying away without a convincing explanation of what he was doing. I'd argue that even just saying "I was joking" would have worked better that what he came up with.
So... I wouldn't actively decide to vote for him, but I'm open to being convinced.
I'm still annoyed by Niko's roleplaying. Glad to see it toned down.
I got more going on but this post is getting too long, and I've seen 15ish new posts pop up in the meantime, so I'll be back after I read them.
I literally do not understand what you are on about here, so if you could maybe explain your framing with more than one-liners here or there, that would be great. I can't even converse with you about it because I have no idea what you're actually accusing me of or why you think I'm arrogant.
Why do we need to point out who we think scum should kill in the first place is the question that was asked, I believe, and I'd like to echo it. Why do you think this is good play here or necessary?
I don't know if I'm inclined to scumread this move because it seems so blatant (wifom in the house, what's up) but I do want to understand more about how you got here.
I have to say I'm having some big paranoia concerns with a whole group of hidden newbies and a bunch of veterans who are very capable of pretending to do weird stuff in the hopes that we will assume they are new. Because I want to write off some of the odd stuff as newbies. That's the instinct here. People don't know the meta and do stuff in a regular game and we address it and explain and maybe consider if we should do something else. Cool, cool, cool. But here it could be some sneaky motherfucker trying to get away with some shit and hoping we will just think they are new. You, reader, are welcome to join me here in the paranoia space.
Two reasons for me. I want to see as much discussion as possible. If I can cause discussion through new questions, that isn't a bad thing. See how people react and respond. But also, unless I'm completely off-base here...there is someone in our midst who could potentially save our valuable players, right? Again, I'm still of the believe that if the scum are conversing and plotting, we have to do the same, and we need more than just "who is scum" but also "who might scum target."
My paranoia is that there are people trying to bait reactions out of players in order to confirm their identity one way or another.
As much as it still irks me that we still got no new posts from him, I'll remove my vote on Franklin while I form an opinion.
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I don't entirely agree. While scum is definitely discussing that, they're doing it in their own private space. Discussing who you think should be protected gives them more ideas, and a bigger sense of who's going to be protected during the night (so they can just change target).
You're literally going against your base idea.
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I don't entirely agree. While scum is definitely discussing that, they're doing it in their own private space. Discussing who you think should be protected gives them more ideas, and a bigger sense of who's going to be protected during the night (so they can just change target).
You're literally going against your base idea.
I definitely understand the cons behind it, but truly, what's the alternative? I backspaced out a few times on my original post above that started this whole line of reasoning. Thought about it, re-typed, backspaced again. But I then came to the conclusion that more is better when it comes to hashing our thoughts out, and what we discuss has just as much opportunity to throw scum off as much as it does to lead them in a better direction? Maybe.
As for the current Tommy discussion, I do get the sense that it is just some newbieness and we know there are new players in this game.
Obviously I appreciate the town read on me, and I get where his logic is coming from, but I would say that's something best kept to oneself as there's no need to let Scum know more than they need to know.
Obviously I appreciate the town read on me, and I get where his logic is coming from, but I would say that's something best kept to oneself as there's no need to let Scum know more than they need to know.
As far as generating some discussion here, I commend you as we desperately needed it. However, I think our time is best spent now instead discussing who we think we should be voting for today, rather than who we think Scum is going to kill.
Actually, unless you feel like that could have some negative repercussions... Any chance you could point out which weird behaviors you would tie to newbies? Cause I have a couple of ideas, but there's only 2 new people in here so that's already more than what's possible.
As said before, I feel like Ken's fishing is either a really weak attempt or a big error. Would it make sense for a newbie to do it though?
(Don't want to interrupt the rest of the discussion though, so keep that going too)
As said before, I feel like Ken's fishing is either a really weak attempt or a big error. Would it make sense for a newbie to do it though?
(Don't want to interrupt the rest of the discussion though, so keep that going too)
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See, now this I can answer. I had the problem you had with me with your ???wtf??? post, had no idea if that was arrogant deflection or you just being hecking dumbfounded about what I said. Calling it arrogant deflection was more likelier an option to get a more juicy reaction out of you. Consider the arrogance bit dropped for now.
Don't think I am accusing you of that much, yet. Just felt that you were attaching yourself onto the solving crowd in a weird way. Trevor and Asuka were doing things and you were being the weird orbiter, trying to get into the cool kid's club. At this point though the hugbox of two has fallen apart, what for yours truly means looking at the individuals and where they went. Ugh.