Spectator Thread Observing a Story as it Unfolds

Fanto

Confirmed Town
SalvaPot said:
Fanto gave me shit because I was speaking from a scum perspective
Yeah, well, the reason I wanted to call that out is because I've been right about that in the past as a Scum tell (and I was right about it here too lol).

Fandorin did something like that in Death Stranding where in his Protect/Investigate/Kill list he put down someone for Protect not because he thought they were Townie and worthy of being saved, but because he thought they were under the radar and that Scum might pick them to kill to avoid protection. I said it was weird that he was thinking about it from a Scum perspective, and I was right, because he was Scum lol.
 

lokiduck

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I'm glad we are having a thunderdome for Hagi and Jman at least.

The reason is because when in review Geno or OA wanted town to have a back up power just in case they lost Shadowlord early >> (We wanted to give scum a chance but man we weren't counting on all this.)

Basically if Hagi dies, scum gets a useless Nier hunt shot and a switch again...

and if Salva dies... scum gets a vig shot and a roleblock.

Basically if scum is dying it needs to be Hagi if town wants a shot >>;

This only applies until one of them die tho. Once one dies, the other's bonus is canceled out because they are basically powering up the other.

Also they know something happens if they die, but not what.
 

lokiduck

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FUCK ME I JUST REALIZED KALOR CAN CALL BULLSHIT ON HAGI'S COMMUTER CLAIM.

He checked Hagi on night two and was told that an action happened to Hagi, which was nin's vig shot. If Hagi was commuting then why would kalor get a result. :D :D :D

Come on Kalor save the fucking day ;w;
 
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lokiduck

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Besides that the commuter claim is bullshit.

We have a town RB, a self protect, The Gossip Hider, and town doesn't know it but a doctor... so why would we have a Commuter, especially when the Hider works like one. XD
 

lokiduck

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Chuggs just made a good point in scum chat. XD I wish i had my liking privileges in there :<

Like half the reason we've been able to use our PR's as well as we have is because town keeps telling us way too much lol. Like that redirect went from almost useless to OP as fuck because we knew were the shot was going.
 

lokiduck

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Aww i think Jman was just genuinely excited for his first shot to unlock that he couldn't help but talk about it haha
Yeah I get the the excitement (I was a potential vigilante in my first game as well and I was hyped at the thought of using it tho i never did get to), but you really shouldn't claim vig shots... night ones at least... >>
 

lokiduck

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There we have it... Hagi claimed Commuter, now all Kalor has to do is come in and call bullshit D:
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Reki said:
MrHedin is someone I temporarily trust given nin's result. If I wanted to play devil's advocate for a second here, there's a chance the meanies have a Role Cop and after finding out that nin was a Miller, planned a gambit based on that to give Hedin a lot of town points. Sadly though, I don't see this slot living for long so it'll get solved sooner or later.
How the fuck did Reki guess the EXACT gambit? Lol
 

lokiduck

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MrHedin is someone I temporarily trust given nin's result. If I wanted to play devil's advocate for a second here, there's a chance the meanies have a Role Cop and after finding out that nin was a Miller, planned a gambit based on that to give Hedin a lot of town points. Sadly though, I don't see this slot living for long so it'll get solved sooner or later.

Reki... you wonderful player.
 

lokiduck

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two votes against Jman out of six >>;

One scum and one town. All scum needs is for a second town to vote there and they can hammer.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
TURMOIL IS ALWAYS ROBBED

(even when I also vote for him)

I swear I think he's been D1ed more than anyone else.
turm gets got D1 and Vere goes N1. Thems the rules.

This happens when my self protect has junky restrictions :P

That said, not really a big loss tbh
You said it, not me:eyes:

Also, now that I'm dead and was reminded of this by Loki, I'm going to share this awesome joke I made in my Role PM on D1 when Jman said I should use a LiS reference to role claim with:

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Magnificent

Right. So the scum team is:

Chuggs as a JOAT with 1 ninja, 1 Strongman, and 1 switch.
MrHedin is a Rolecop
Salvapot is a Roleblock
and Hagi is a Hunter (that specifically hunts Nier. If he checks a player and they are Nier, they die).
That is quite a scum team lol

Yep, we in Lylo >>
Fucking RIP lol

I think I'm going to take a break from playing mafia games for a bit after this, need to get back to designing my current wip game.
Nooo, I like playing with you. Don’t take too long of a break at least.

Chuggs just made a good point in scum chat. XD I wish i had my liking privileges in there :<
Unfortunately people can see like counts so we can’t do that. Wonder if we could disable the total counter somehow.
 

lokiduck

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lokiduck

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Going with my gut

Vote: Jman1954goat

He's already admitted to lying and a commuter makes more sense to me then town having ALL THE VIGS.

Although I could see the two of them being scum together. Not ruling that shit out

LOL you say that not knowing your team gets a vig shot if Salva dies before Hagi >>;
 

lokiduck

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Chugg's claim seem believable (what flavor is he claiming tho :eyes:) ... except for the fucking fact he's claming two people that died. XD

I think he picked Fran, because he's convinced Kalor checked him night 2 (they rolechecked Kalor last night thinking he was the town cop).

BTW when the game is over you all need to go read spec, for the amazing scum play, but also for my fabulous fake claims I cooked up ;) No one is actually paying attention to the flavor stuff :< but as long as some one does I'll be happy ;w;
 

lokiduck

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oh good, Stan claimed as the mailman, we need to share his messages in here because they are great. XD

Also LOL it is true that his story about taking up arms against someone was sent to Jman the same night he unlocked his shot. XD
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Lol at Chugg claiming to have targeted two of the people who died, and not giving his flavor name with the claim, like that isn't sus.
Stantastic said:
Because i had no useful way to be a messenger i instead decided to cosplay as the Divine tree of memories, a part of the game that has you seeing several neat short stories, and make some high effort shitposts.
LOL
Also LOL it is true that his story about taking up arms against someone was sent to Jman the same night he unlocked his shot. XD
This reminds me of HvV2 when I got motivated the night after I got my item, and I thought Geno's PM telling me I could use my power twice was him clarifying what my item did for me lol.
 

lokiduck

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Lol at Chugg claiming to have targeted two of the people who died, and not giving his flavor name with the claim, like that isn't sus.
That and Sorian and Fran were both RB'd the night they were killed :p

This reminds me of HvV2 when I got motivated the night after I got my item, and I thought Geno's PM telling me I could use my power twice was him clarifying what my item did for me lol.
Haha nice.
 

lokiduck

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Stan's messages:

N1:
Once, long ago, the tree had remembered everything about
the world. This was its task. Its purpose.

This is wrong, whispered the tree in the voice of wind
through the leaves. This is not how it was supposed to be.
...The plan has failed.


Look at my Memory

The man stands at the the wake of his many failures.
Villains escape with mounting triumphs.
Allies lay slain alongside so many others.
The weight of such memories might be too much to bare.

His changes, adaptations, reinventions, all have amounted to little.
Is it the wit of his enemies that continues to out play him?
or some immutable flaw in his own form,
something he could not escape without becoming something apart from himself.

Perhaps it was not the flaws, but the virtues.
The man was liked, a good friend to most that knew him well.
Good cheer and pleasant times before the fall, many partook and found joy, comfort.
A revelry often exploited, friendships formed in deception, the perfect opening for all to see.

He wonders, would it be worth it?
Changing even his best self, all the good he would bring.
Dimming his radiance so that the shadows might not look so dark.
What might victory even accomplish without the just to see beyond it.

But the man never made the choice, to caught up in his battle, in his joys, in his defeat.
He had too little heart to change, and too much to succeed.


But i am just the web of memories, the story that aught not be lost, i dont get to decide what to make of them.

Should the man have changed so completely, or not?

I hope to see your answer in the main thread.

N2:
Once, long ago, the tree had remembered everything about
the world. This was its task. Its purpose.

This is wrong, whispered the tree in the voice of wind
through the leaves. This is not how it was supposed to be.
...The plan has failed.


Look at my Memory

The former warrior had lived well and peacefully for many years.
A tranquillity bought with blood and steel, but a deserved one nonetheless.
The calm suited her better than she had expected.
Her newfound family even more so.

In time some asked to be taught by her, to make use of the skills she had killed to master.
Even her own son, inspired by the tales of supposed heroism.
The former warrior softly refused, believing blades best left to rust in these better times.
Her son accepted this with little dispute, trusting her wisdom.

But, perhaps inevitably, such blissful peace did not last.
Bandits of familiar like, approaching in avarice and bloodlust.
The warrior returned to her old vocation, skills undiminished by time.
As before she was untouchable, as before she was glorious.

The same could not be said for the returned warriors son.
Again inspired, now by the story unfolding before him.
The son took up arms, following his mothers example he threw himself into battle.
Courageous, but with no training, no skill, and the boy was quickly cut down.

The warrior emerged victorious, bandits slain to a man.
Much was saved, all but what mattered most.
What aught she have done, that his life would have been spared.
Taught him of her old ways regretful as they are, or scared him from violence completely.

Such questions availed her little now, the warriors son was dead.
Nothing to place him but regret.


But i am just the web of memories, the histories i must only cling to, its not for me to consider.

Should the warrior have taught her son of violence, or kept him further from it?

I hope to see your answer in the main thread.

N3:
Once, long ago, the tree had remembered everything about
the world. This was its task. Its purpose.

This is wrong, whispered the tree in the voice of wind
through the leaves. This is not how it was supposed to be.
...The plan has failed.


Look at my Memory

The creature wore a human shape, or maybe a human in a creatures guise?
Making meaning of the distinction had long since become difficult,
a disparity with clearer artifice the further back one stood.
But the form, the functions, learned by observation or instinct were easy enough to mimic.

The environments decay, degradation of what might have been all, rendered solitude untenable.
Only community, a distasteful symbiosis, would sustain the creature now.
Difficult times had left the humans cautious, prone to distance, at least at first.
This suited the creature quite well, its facade only kept at arms length

Only so much would be shared without trust however, and the worlds turmoil only grew.
Soon there would not be enough for all, and the untrusted first to become unwelcome.
The creature had spoken with some humans, found them to be more...kindly than expected.
Not the like of the last callous, vindictive, reflexively cruel lot the creature had fled.

Perhaps the creature could be understood by them, accepted even.
It did not hate the humans, and saw no utility in greed or avarice.
To willingly reveal itself, its misshapen nature, ask forgiveness for necessary deceptions, risky.
Would they forgive, still provide and commune, or lash out despite the gesture.

The creature would never know.
Indecision led to hesitation, and time had become the enemy of all.
In unguarded familiarity the creature was uncovered, its corroded skin and broken eyes clear to all.
The humans met it with shock and terror, the creatures pleading came far too late.

The humans struck down the creature.
It died in despair, but it could not call it betrayal, and it was soon forgotten.


But i am just the web of memories, many pasts i will not let fade, but not for me to judge.

Should the creature have revealed itself, or shrunken back to solitude?

I hope to see your answer in the main thread.

Will post N4 if he gets a chance :<
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yknow what, this really is a nier game.

Its full of people making terrible decisions with apparently good intentions, leaving everyone else to struggle with how they feel about it.
Are these games full of sorrow and despair? Because that's all I've got since nin's flip.
We did it @Verelios we made a game that perfectly captures Nier!!! \o/
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lokiduck

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Stan mentioned the possibility of the scum players all being sympathetic characters, and why we def considering having a fun twist on things (like say making Nier and gang the scum team actually), we didn't because we didn't want to spoil the game too much.

This game is set before the time skip for people who know what that means ;)
 

lokiduck

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Chugg, Hagi, and Hedin all did not give their flavor names with their claims.

Suspicious!
Yeah especially since Hagi planned out his flavor claim and I gave them all beautiful fake claims D: <

Also :surprised: at Stan naming the entire scum team and the neutral with possible flavors.

I shouldn't be surprised because again we wanted to go for avoiding Nier spoilers by setting it pre-timeskip but what can you do.

We scraped the barrel a bit for the fake claims >>;
 

lokiduck

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Def curious if and what Stove is going to claim. XD The easiest thing would be to claim location cop (it is what he is actually) and it'd be backed up by the fact that every role mentions where they are from.
 

lokiduck

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Holy shit at that scum list.
I don't want to sound negative but I don't think that town is going to lunch sum today or even win.
It's basically what we are all thinking :< It sucks that both the town vigs wasted their shots on the one scum member with a BP (tho they used something else to protect Hagi last night). XD
 

lokiduck

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Mannnnnn Kalor really needs to show up, because he may be what saves Town's butt this day phase, but that's only if he sees Hagi's claim and calls him out on his bullshit.

VA hasn't felt good to me all game. His claim of loved doesn't make me feel any better, because I've seen that as a mafia role, and Stu's role seems to be the counter for it. VA is probably next on my list after we flip Jman.

Actually... we put in the loved to give them a roll, but also to counter Stu's hammerer power so town wouldn't be completely dead in the water. XD
 

lokiduck

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There we go. Two non mafia votes on Jman. If the rest of the scum teams votes there right now they can just hammer.

They won't of course. XD

Edit: and Reki just unvoted so yeah it's not happening.
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
Reki said:
Just as a note, I've talked way too much at this game because my claim made everyone but Salva kinda afraid of questioning me, even when I'm inconsistent. It's so weird. So don't expect this activity next time I play.
Just as a note, I'm so active and so inconsistent in almost every game I play, that people rarely ever question me lol. It is weird.

For example, I'm pretty sure once I reach a certain level of both activity and inconsistency, Monkey will automatically give me a Town read lol.
 

lokiduck

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LOL Stove just asked to confirm what he has to do for his wincon. He may try something risky since he just realized all he has to do is lunch Jman today and win.
 

lokiduck

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Ooooh right @Aeleus now that we are open spoilers can explain better how the ones you visited fit their rule following or not :P

Night 1:
When you woke up, you didn't know what had happened during the night, but you do know without any doubt that the person you talked with is a violator of rule 56,908 and that has completely ruined your morning. >:(
Rule 56,908: In order to strengthen community solidarity, you must interact with others on a regular basis.
The person you visited was MrHedin, who we decided was a rule violator because Grimoire Noir is a grumpy book that largely hangs out with the Shadowlord so he's not very social :<

Night 2:
You were having a very pleasant dream about a world where everyone followed the rules, but unfortunately your dreams were crushed horribly when you woke up. The reason? You don't know who you visited, but you are 100% positive that the person in question was a break of Rule (whatever the fuck this number is): No one is allowed to wear shoes.

It has not only ruined your dreams and your morning, but it may very well ruin your entire week
D: <
The shoes rule as we called it is simply: No one is allowed to wear shoes.
The person you visited was Stan, we we decided was a rule violator because being a mailman living in a different town Hans probably wears shoes. :p

Fun fact on this one is that all of the scum team and the neutrals would have been followers (facade peeps too) because they are shadow people basically and don't need footwear.

Night 3:
First of all, you had a good dream. Besides that lovely mayor you were chatting with, you dreamt of a rule follower of rule 11,034. That must have been a comforting thought as you died :<
Rule 11,034: You must live at a level appropriate to your position.
You visited Salvapot. We decided he was a rule follower because Hansel is the guardian of Grimoire Weiss in the Lost shrine, so he was living in a place appropriate to his position (at least until that meanie Nier killed him :<).
 

lokiduck

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Out of curiosity but who does stove have his scent on today?
He marked Jman twice even though we told him he could pick someone else because Jman will always be marked.

However, last night he scent checked Hagi and because A and Hagi were switched, he got a result saying Hagi is from Facade. :laughing:
 

lokiduck

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Oh dang, he might make it!
Not to mention if Jman doesn't die today, he still has a shot. If Jman dies via NK, he becomes a survivor and may still win if he can keep alive.

If Scum wins, then he does too straight up because Jman dies, he becomes a survivor and thus he wins. XD

basically if he's smart he'll realize he needs to focus on getting out Jman... and as a back up side with the mafia team as those are his best shots.

He can still win with town too, but Mafia will def be more willing to side with him.
 
Hagi should clear Jman and Kalor, hopefully they should go for the dead's top scum read in chuggs next by which point mrhedin is going to look really susp. Salva is going to be hard though.
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
Scum doesn't know this is end-game yet though, right? It would be 7 Town / 4 Scum from their PoV, which isn't a MyLo/LyLo situation yet.

We know it's actually 6 Town / 4 Scum / 1 Neutral, and that if they lunch Jman that turns into 5 Town / 4 Scum / 0 Neutral going into the night, which then means 4/4 as long as they get a kill, which means they win at day start tomorrow, making this a MyLo phase, but only because we know the full picture.
 

lokiduck

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HOLY FUCK I'M ACTUALLY PISSED RIGHT NOW.

1. KALOR GOT RESULTS ON SOMEONE WHO WAS COMUTTING!!! AND NO ONE HAS REALIZED THIS, NOT EVEN HIM. HE'S VOTING FOR JMAN.

2. HEDIN CLAIMED GIDEON FOR HIS FAKE COP ROLE WHICH MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY WOULD A ROBOT HATING LITTLE KID BE A COP LIKE AT ALL?

3. STAN POINTS THIS OUT BUT DOESN'T THINK ANYTHING OF IT.
 
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lokiduck

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Scum doesn't know this is end-game yet though, right? It would be 7 Town / 4 Scum from their PoV, which isn't a MyLo/LyLo situation yet.

We know it's actually 6 Town / 4 Scum / 1 Neutral, and that if they lunch Jman that turns into 5 Town / 4 Scum / 0 Neutral going into the night, which then means 4/4 as long as they get a kill, which means they win at day start tomorrow, making this a MyLo phase, but only because we know the full picture.
Yep they do not think this is lylo so they are basically walking into a victory with Stove.

And you know what, this makes perfect sense at this point. They honestly deserve this win.
 

lokiduck

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They are 2 votes from winning. All Hedin and Salva have to do is vote Jman and Stove wins causing them to win. It's all they have to do.
 

lokiduck

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Yeah that's crazy to me, if someone commutes you don't get shit lol
100% Commuters go the same time as Hiders which is after copy power abilities (which we don't have in this game) Investigations go last. If kalor had motion detected on Razmos he would have gotten shit for instance.

Speaking of, why would we have a commuter when we have a hider and other protective powers?
 

lokiduck

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Come one Salva and Hedin, realize you can fucking hammer and end this, end town's suffering. Let Stove win... You should let one neutral win since you killed off Sparks. :<
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
if I don't know the flavor I just shut off flavor reasons in my head, easy to bend in any way by scum

Also this is the first time I've seen kalor using a role poorly, at least that I noticed
 

lokiduck

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Additionally at this point in the game, Gideon was a little kid (mind you we didn't mention it was set pre-time skip >> Emil still looking like a boy was kind of the hint towards that but whatever).

We made Gideon a fake claim because Jaykob was in the game and we even included in Jaykob's flavor that he's trying to find his brother Gideon, so the claim would be more believable, but not like this. XD

Why would the older brother be a hammerer and the little kid brother a cop?

:surprised:
 

lokiduck

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Fun facts: Gideon was actually the fake claim for Gretel, or at least It was subtly implied as such because the fake role claim was Hunter. It's just instead of Nier Hunter, Gideon would be a Robot hunter serving as a fake counter to Beepy.

In the end Hagi is fine tho because the role fisher is dead, and his claim being the mayor as a commuter is actually perfect (I even thought of it myself but suggested the fake power would be vanilla), the issue there is Kalor getting results from said commuter >>;

Chuggs actually used the Blacksmith claim as it was suggested XD I technically made the Tavern Owner as a fake claim for his role since it's a JOAT like him, but his blacksmith claim has been fine except for who he targeted. XD
 

lokiduck

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Just read scum chat and holy fuck they really don't realize they are in LyLo

They talked about having Salva and Hedin hammer (what we all want at this point basically), and Chuggs is like "nah that'd be too suspicious."

Come on guys, if you do it you win! Just do it ;w;

Everyone needs to channel Turbo thoughts into the scum team right now. D:

Basically these are the possible options right now:

1. They vote out Jman. Stove wins and thus Scum wins because they are 50% of town.
2. They vote out another townie. It comes down to LP protecting the right person.
A. LP protects town that night. Town now has to get mafia or they lose.
B. LP doesn't protect the right town or is targeted. Town dies and Stove and scum wins.
3. They vote out Hagi. Town now has a chance, but has to get Scum again the next day.
 
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lokiduck

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LOL scum wants to block and check Stove tonight, and kill kalor leaving LP alone.

This means that if Hagi or another townie is killed instead of Jman, then LP has a chance.

They have completely underestimated LP this game. :surprised:
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
As an aside, if any meanie is reading this, don't you dare to keep me around until endgame or I'll eventually find out who you are and take care of you myself, you hear.
LOL that's where you are right now sweetie.
 

lokiduck

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LOL Kalor is fine with Salva not claiming but wants Stove to claim.

:surprised:

It'd be amazing if Stove realizes the position he's in, the power he has and full stop claims Neutral with the statement "you can't lunch me tho because you need me to win."

Mind you he's lying because his best bet at this point of winning is with Scum, but they don't need to know that. XD
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah that's crazy to me, if someone commutes you don't get shit lol
Maybe Kalor hasn’t targeted a commuter before to realize? I will say I didn’t have a good grasp on how some roles interact with each other and the nuance of the messages you receive until I started designing games.

I love to make my roles fit with the names as well, makes the player go, "huh, that's clever and well thought out"
I just come up with nonsense and call it a day

LOL scum wants to block and check Stove tonight, and kill kalor leaving LP alone.

This means that if Hagi or another townie is killed instead of Jman, then LP has a chance.

They have completely underestimated LP this game. :surprised:
LP always flying under the radar
 

lokiduck

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I love this
He says he'd prefer to lunch Hagi tomorrow instead so he may not, but it's amazing how they haven't realized the position they are in. Mind you a lot of that is because Stove hasn't claimed neutral.

I think it'd be amazing if he does do that, scum realizes they are in lylo and salva and Hedin hammer their way to victory... but that probably won't happen. XD
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
This situation is both painful and amazing... painfun

This is the first time I've seen a scumteam not aware they are in mylo/lylo, and Stove is inexperienced so he may not realize he can take sides to get a team to support he reach his wincon
 
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