Costume Party - Spectator Thread

[Daenerys Targaryen]

ngl. Day 1 had me going “Oh this is pretty bad” for most of it. Also nothing gets town to fuck up more than when they do too good on an early day

That’s why it’s important to set down the foundation on D1

Have the strong players that will die soon sort the playerbase for those that survive later days.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

When you’re struggling with bad reads try to sheep a stronger player, like how I sheeped Dracula.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Spidey finally got it \o/

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Spidey finally got it \o/

And yet you tried to kill Spidy

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

And yet you tried to kill Spidy

I killed you too :(

 

[heymonkey]

Did they know Rey was replaced? Was it not announced? lol if so but how do they not notice a difference there?

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I killed you too :(

 

[Natiko]

Did they know Rey was replaced? Was it not announced? lol if so but how do they not notice a difference there?

It was not - figured I'd leave it to mysterious Rey #2 if they wanted to share that info. Should be obvious given they asked for catch up info but..people aren't paying attention so..

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

It was not - figured I'd leave it to mysterious Rey #2 if they wanted to share that info. Should be obvious given they asked for catch up info but..people aren't paying attention so..

It should be moderator announced, that’s the precedent from earlier costume games.

 

[Natiko]

It should be moderator announced, that’s the precedent from earlier costume games.

There's literally nothing stopping them from saying it themselves, and given half the people in costume games want to disguise themselves why would I force something upon a player that can narrow down the list of who it is? Hell, any player could pretend to be a new replacement every day for all I care. We've barely done any of these, I wouldn't count much of anything as a 'precedent'.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Hell, any player could pretend to be a new replacement every day for all I care.

Oh man I should have done this.

And yeah town would notice if they were paying attention. They're all of a sudden not being very Sparks like

 

[Chuggernaut]

Forever kicking myself for not saying *truffleshuffle* a lot

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

There's literally nothing stopping them from saying it themselves, and given half the people in costume games want to disguise themselves why would I force something upon a player that can narrow down the list of who it is? Hell, any player could pretend to be a new replacement every day for all I care. We've barely done any of these, I wouldn't count much of anything as a 'precedent'.

Precedent is still precedent, if the game does something unorthodox that should be announced early and I've never seen a game where replacements are hidden.
There are several rules banning discussion about replacements.

 

[Natiko]

Precedent is still precedent, if the game does something unorthodox that should be announced early and I've never seen a game where replacements are hidden.
There are several rules banning discussion about replacements.

The very nature of a costume game bucks the orthodox. By all means we would not typically let people 'game' gender identity, but we make an exception to allow anonymity and flexibility. We held sign-ups primarily in private for this game - that wasn't "standard" but was done to allow people secrecy, despite not doing that for all previous games or costume games. This is no different, and there is absolutely no rule preventing someone from revealing or discussing that they're a replacement. The rules are about questioning why someone WAS replaced, not that you are a replacement.

 

[turmoil7]

faking replacing is something I thought to do but would had not dared had I played

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

The very nature of a costume game bucks the orthodox. By all means we would not typically let people 'game' gender identity, but we make an exception to allow anonymity and flexibility. We held sign-ups primarily in private for this game - that wasn't "standard" but was done to allow people secrecy, despite not doing that for all previous games or costume games. This is no different, and there is absolutely no rule preventing someone from revealing or discussing that they're a replacement. The rules are about questioning why someone WAS replaced, not that you are a replacement.

The secret sign ups were known beforehand and this is a moderator decision. The rule is also quite generally worded and makes it sound like other players can't discuss whether or not someone were replaced:
"7. Please do not refer to, or discuss, player activity outside of this thread, for the sake of the game’s integrity. This includes discussing circumstances around player replacement."

 

[Fanto]

I'd say "circumstances around player replacement" is pretty clear in my opinion. The circumstances under which someone was replaced refers to exactly that, not the fact that someone is a replacement player. Questioning why someone was replaced or requested to be replaced is what the rule is referring to. IIRC it's meant to include the fact that someone could be replaced for breaking a rule outside of the game thread, like in a private chat, and so when it's announced that someone is being replaced people aren't supposed to speculate about things like that.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I'd say "circumstances around player replacement" is pretty clear in my opinion. The circumstances under which someone was replaced refers to exactly that, not the fact that someone is a replacement player. Questioning why someone was replaced or requested to be replaced is what the rule is referring to. IIRC it's meant to include the fact that someone could be replaced for breaking a rule outside of the game thread, like in a private chat, and so when it's announced that someone is being replaced people aren't supposed to speculate about things like that.

Circumstances is supposed to cover out of game stuff like IRL issues, but as a word it means "everything" about something.
"Did this player ask for a replacement" is asking about something that happened outside of the game thread in a discussion with the moderator.

 

[Natiko]

Circumstances is supposed to cover out of game stuff like IRL issues, but as a word it means "everything" about something.
"Did this player ask for a replacement" is asking about something that happened outside of the game thread in a discussion with the moderator.

...yes. You are literally pointing out that it applies to the player that replaced out and the reasoning behind why they did. It has nothing to do with the incoming player being a replacement. You can go look at, no joke, just about any game in the history of this community and see an incoming replacement player talking about the fact that they are a replacement with nary a warning or modkill in sight.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

...yes. You are literally pointing out that it applies to the player that replaced out and the reasoning behind why they did. It has nothing to do with the incoming player being a replacement. You can go look at, no joke, just about any game in the history of this community and see an incoming replacement player talking about the fact that they are a replacement with nary a warning or modkill in sight.

Where it is mod confirmed which changes everything. There's no discussion about this when it's mod confirmed and the entire game thread is notified because it's settled.
Discussing stuff that isn't mod confirmed like motivation for replacing isn't allowed.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I'm talking mostly about this from the other players' perspective.
I think lying about being a replacement is legal in my reading of the rules.

 

[heymonkey]

The secret sign ups were known beforehand and this is a moderator decision. The rule is also quite generally worded and makes it sound like other players can't discuss whether or not someone were replaced:
"7. Please do not refer to, or discuss, player activity outside of this thread, for the sake of the game’s integrity. This includes discussing circumstances around player replacement."

I wouldn't take that as discussing whether or not someone was replaced, only the why - as in speculating if it was a scumchat fuckup, etc, which is the primary reason why that rule was implemented.

I mean, the only replacement announcement you get in a costume game would be "Rey has been replaced by Rey" lol so what does it matter if it's there or not? They know 1Rey only had 4 posts that day. They could see that 2Rey is posting differently.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I wouldn't take that as discussing whether or not someone was replaced, only the why - as in speculating if it was a scumchat fuckup, etc, which is the primary reason why that rule was implemented.

I mean, the only replacement announcement you get in a costume game would be "Rey has been replaced by Rey" lol so what does it matter if it's there or not? They know 1Rey only had 4 posts that day. They could see that 2Rey is posting differently.

Because I don't like when game rules change out of nowhere in an otherwise normal game.
And as you said it is a trivial "this person is now someone else" announcement so they understand.
The game is all about reading a player and this creates a bit of a hole when they're thrown a curve ball because they're suddenly not told something they're otherwise told.

 

[Natiko]

Because I don't like when game rules change out of nowhere in an otherwise normal game.
And as you said it is a trivial "this person is now someone else" announcement so they understand.
The game is all about reading a player and this creates a bit of a hole when they're thrown a curve ball because they're suddenly not told something they're otherwise told.

You're also normally told who a player actually is. Costume games are different. There is literally nothing preventing Rey from revealing they have replaced in, in fact they more or less already have. That I did not announce the replacement is not hidden information from them. This game originally had a million caveats about how to handle replacements as well due to the role about guessing the player behind costumes, so it was never going to reveal replacements. If you hate this you're really going to hate one of the roles in this game, but I guess it worked out then that you got bored and threw in the towel lol

 

[Natiko]

We can mark this as something to discuss in the review thread and see what people think, but it’s already done and so far doesn’t seem to be an issue so I’m inclined to let it ride as is.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yes kill Rey for that. There were already two scum slips why not three

 

[heymonkey]

ugh, Sparks always refers to votes as bussing, come on.

 

[Chuggernaut]

No Monkey! They’re onto something

 

[heymonkey]

No Monkey! They’re onto something

you sit in the corner and be quiet

 

[Chuggernaut]

I will not be silenced

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

ugh, Sparks always refers to votes as bussing, come on.

It’s still suspicious

 

[heymonkey]

It's really not. It was suspicious when feps did it way back in LB2 because it was abnormal and stuck out. Sparks, who was obviously Sparks, often refers to the leading wagon as someone being bussed. It's pretty constant, and therefore doesn't stick out.

Add to that that this is obviously a different Rey and trying to kill there today is pretty sus. Yes, Rey has been a wildcard up to now. I can support that argument. But you can give the obvious replacement a day and see if they are less wildcard. Especially when it's obvious from flips that multiple scum were under suspicion. That's a more active trail. Follow that one.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

There’s still a nonzero chance it was a slip

 

[Natiko]

There’s still a nonzero chance it was a slip

Nah. You can say there’s a nonzero chance Rey is mafia, but basing it on something that a player has a history of doing regardless of alignment isn’t the evidence for it.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

There’s a nonzero chance Sparks slipped and there’s a nonzero chance Ray was someone role playing a Sparks like personality to obfuscate their alignment and then slipped. Both can be true if you’re not spoiled.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Oh man it would take some balls to play like Sparks to try to get town read

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Oh man it would take some balls to play like Sparks to try to get town read

But it would be pretty cool tho

 

[Ketkat]

Using the word bus like that is pretty weird, but I'm kind of blown away anyone would vote over that on Day 5. They have so much real stuff to look over!

 

[Natiko]

Using the word bus like that is pretty weird, but I'm kind of blown away anyone would vote over that on Day 5. They have so much real stuff to look over!

Town has given up.

 

[fowl playa]

just caught up on the game, hadnt expected another slip lol

 

[Chuggernaut]

Town has given up.

Honestly they might be able to just sleepwalk into a W at this point. Man I'm going to be so pissed if my slip ends up being why we lose it

 

[fowl playa]

Honestly they might be able to just sleepwalk into a W at this point. Man I'm going to be so pissed if my slip ends up being why we lose it

(i don't know how much the spec chat is spoiled but) i can see this being extremely hard for town without any more investigatives given the events on d1

 

[Chuggernaut]

(i don't know how much the spec chat is spoiled but) i can see this being extremely hard for town without any more investigatives given the events on d1

Spoiler

I don’t think we’re going open spoilers yet, but Monkey has it figured out. They’ll get Prisoner if not today, then tomorrow. Bob is going to give them problems, but I could see just throwing a Hail Mary there after a few days.

 

[Fanto]

Hmm, didn't know Rey replaced out, idk how I feel about him now tbh, I'll keep my vote there because I never fully trusted him beside being a wildcard player. But like I said Prisoner is a fine lynch too for today, just one I'd keep for tomorrow personally.

This is one of the sketchiest posts I've ever seen.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Just pull a Barney Bob, it’s easy

 

[Natiko]

Turns out it’s hard to play mafia when... no one... is playing mafia.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Spoiler

So I'm guessing whoever made Prisoner hated wins when he's voted out?

 

[Chuggernaut]

That's probably it for Prisoner

 

[Natiko]

Might be a rough game end if I really have to replace two more people on basically Day 6 because they couldn’t be bothered to even hit 5 posts.

 

[turmoil7]

Yeah if they don't it would be an issue, you can be flexible and let them stay as it's almost endgame for the sake of not disrupting but there is no guarantee they will be around for the next phases.

 

[turmoil7]

if Prisoner is scum and whoever hated him exits the game next phase would be town 6 scum 1

rough end there for scum

 

[heymonkey]

Spoiler

So I'm guessing whoever made Prisoner hated wins when he's voted out?

INTERESTING

 

[heymonkey]

Might be a rough game end if I really have to replace two more people on basically Day 6 because they couldn’t be bothered to even hit 5 posts.

:(

 

[heymonkey]

Oh man it would take some balls to play like Sparks to try to get town read

Now I want to try to RP as someone else in the next costume game. I probably couldn't maintain it for more than a day though.

 

[heymonkey]

Is nuRey Stan?

Ah, I can edit, so I can stop posting ten times, lol. It's true that seeing Sparks show up in here did make it clear to us that it wasn't someone RPing, but it really didn't look like it from the thread either. And it isn't like our playerbase to flat out lie like that. While it would be fun to pretend to be a replacement, it would probably be frowned upon in post game.

 

[Chuggernaut]

if they can push Prisoner back a day scum probably wins it.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Spoiler

Also Bob should really use his PR when Prisoner flips. Because oh boy he’s going to look bad with that flip

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

It will be interesting when all the people with too few posts are modkilled

 

[Natiko]

It will be interesting when all the people with too few posts are modkilled

Nah, we have plenty of replacements. And only one is set to be replaced now.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Might be a rough game end if I really have to replace two more people on basically Day 6 because they couldn’t be bothered to even hit 5 posts.

We should experiment with more modkills. One mod killed people below the minimum at random which created a really interesting D2 when we had a bunch of scum flips :p

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Nah, we have plenty of replacements. And only one is set to be replaced now.

Oh, then it's fine I guess

 

[Natiko]

We should experiment with more modkills. One mod killed people below the minimum at random which created a really interesting D2 when we had a bunch of scum flips :p

If I modkilled everyone that had to or is in danger of needing to be replaced this game:

Spoiler

It would all be Town deaths lol

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

If I modkilled everyone that had to or is in danger of needing to be replaced this game:

Spoiler

It would all be Town deaths lol

Spoiler

Speeds the game up

 

[heymonkey]

We should experiment with more modkills. One mod killed people below the minimum at random which created a really interesting D2 when we had a bunch of scum flips :p

I really wanted to bring in a role I heard about, a serial killer who killed the people with the lowest post count, but it was rejected.

 

[heymonkey]

Cinderella has been scum hated before so that should be a clue to his identity. It's not something that's done very often - I've had it in games but I don't remember it coming up a lot other than that.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I really wanted to bring in a role I heard about, a serial killer who killed the people with the lowest post count, but it was rejected.

I think the randomness is valuable. One variant made it more likely the fewer posts, so 9 posts 1/10, 1 post 9/10

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Finally some last minute voting shenanigans from Spidy \o/

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

What if they’re loved and this is actually a tie

 

[Faddy]

What if they’re loved and this is actually a tie

Glad you have popcorn at the ready

 

[Faddy]

Congrats to @Minecraft Steve

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Glad you have popcorn at the ready

I’m still gonna eat it

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I knew it! I knew I was right, I had ulterior motives but I knew it!!!

 

[Prisoner]

What a silly day that was.

MC Steve: I think Prisoner is Scum.
Everybody: Hm, okay. vote Prisoner.

 

[Prisoner]

I was pretty sure you were a neutral once you started pushing me.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

What a silly day that was.

MC Steve: I think Prisoner is Scum.
Everybody: Hm, okay. vote Prisoner.

I need some records with MC Steve

 

[Prisoner]

Also I can't believe I'm top poster today. Never thought that would ever happen.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Also I can't believe I'm top poster today. Never thought that would ever happen.

Well, when you vote out all of the high posters -_-

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Also I can't believe I'm top poster today. Never thought that would ever happen.

You put up a good fight, I had motives that weren’t pure to get you lynched.

but I still scum read you. I tried really really hard to be the best town friendly neutral

 

[Clown]

Bob can't be scum right, that'd make D1 sheer insanity.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

And Thank you so much for NKing banana. I would never have been able to swing that

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Bob can't be scum right, that'd make D1 sheer insanity.

D1 best day, always, he must be scum

 

[turmoil7]

So prisoner isn't zipped? Despite all the zipped slips?

Wild

 

[Chuggernaut]

Prisoner who are you

 

[Chuggernaut]

Spoiler

Man, I really think Bob Ross is better off using his PR than trying to fake a BP at this point, but we'll see.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

So prisoner isn't zipped? Despite all the zipped slips?

Wild

Wait you thought prisoner was me?

What are the current guesses for everyone else? I will be honest, I haven’t tried to guess anyone

 

[Chuggernaut]

Godspeed you magnificent scum you. Godspeed.

 

[Prisoner]

Nope I'm not Zipped.

I did think it was pretty funny when Obama posted his spread sheets.

 

[Hedin]

I want to know what Bob and Barney are talking about in their chats.

 

[turmoil7]

Has anybody seen the key to my handcuffs? I must have dropped it somewhere...

I though Prisoner was zipped from this pun, there were others posts that made me feel like that too but won't go looking

My only current guess is Gorlak Obama

KAM I though was blarg/coolest but was told I was wrong

 

[heymonkey]

Congrats, Minecraft Zipped!

 

[heymonkey]

So just for the record...

...none of the people swapping votes around d1 were scum.

 

[heymonkey]

Scum doesn't have to have frantic discussions in thread. They CAN. It's just more likely to be town unless scum is showboating or trying to do a certain thing. People talking, trying to figure out where to go... more often town.

Prisoner, I'm dying to know who you are because that self-pres vote d1 really stuck out to me but I can't place it!

 

[malus]

Hello, is it me you're looking for?

 

[malus]

I tried to be more talkative this game, but soon realized I couldn't keep it up. Especially not as Scum when every post needs to be double checked for slips and chats and what not.

 

[Hedin]

So just for the record...

...none of the people swapping votes around d1 were scum.

In hindsight D1 was kind of amazing. I don't think I have ever seen an entire scum team targeted like that before. It was probably a good thing for them too as then no one else could believe all of them were scum either.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Ah Malus my nemesis. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it was you with how you were playing. Not enough charts. Sorry I let you guys down there :(

 

[heymonkey]

I tried to be more talkative this game, but soon realized I couldn't keep it up. Especially not as Scum when every post needs to be double checked for slips and chats and what not.

Hey!! I'd have never guessed that was you, so that was a good job. I thought you were Obama at first, just stripped of your graphs. :D

In hindsight D1 was kind of amazing. I don't think I have ever seen an entire scum team targeted like that before. It was probably a good thing for them too as then no one else could believe all of them were scum either.

True, I can't remember that happening before.

 

[Chuggernaut]

In hindsight D1 was kind of amazing. I don't think I have ever seen an entire scum team targeted like that before. It was probably a good thing for them too as then no one else could believe all of them were scum either.

This is my second having that happen as scum and yeah, it usually ends up screwing town up for a few days

 

[heymonkey]

Ah Malus my nemesis. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it was you with how you were playing. Not enough charts. Sorry I let you guys down there :(

Did you guys not declare yourselves in scum chat? Was that also not allowed? wow

 

[heymonkey]

This is my second having that happen as scum and yeah, it usually ends up screwing town up for a few days

wait, when else did it happen??