Scum Thread Joker's Hideout

[nin1000]

Considering the alignment check the gun acts as, taking out monkey was the best course tbh

thats true

 

[EzekelRAGE]

So, to keep it simple, do you think we should kill Terra if he inherited both parts of your role?

This is a yes or no question. I decided to not just answer yes or no.

Terra is not worth us KILLING

 

[SalvaPot]

I'll give you access to spec chat soon, Zeke, good job.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I have actually been out most of the day, I'll check in properly when I've got some time to catch up. RIP Zeke

 

[Franconp]

I just realized that Nin have a day command. @nin1000, where you able to use it?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I just realized that Nin have a day command. @nin1000, where you able to use it?

Oh, drat. I got his old PM mixed up with his current PM.

Any ideas on who to night kill and suggested ability usage? Still catching up here, but I'm around for a bit.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

As for what Zeke was trying to hint at, he likely wants us to block or redirect Terra tonight if he indeed has the second half of Zeke's original role PM. I would oblige him, if we could somehow know for certain Terra had that. Otherwise, we might just be throwing an ability use away.

I think Kyan and Chugg are pretty widely townread at the moment. Kyan in particular scares me because he has a high aptitude for game solving, but he's also likely to be protected. No one is really buying that Kyan is scum that lied, but at worst, he might get an investigation. If I wanted to use my Desert Spada on someone tonight, Kyan would be a good choice. Chugg is a strong candidate for protection, also.

As for King for a Day (KfaD), I think most anyone would be a good choice, but I think it's going to be harder to use as the game goes on. People might see the flavor and start to catch on, so at most we might get away with two of these depending on who we choose. So, maybe just anyone for the first use, but someone less skeptical for the second use - turmoil who is eager to use wacky powers; maybe Ambulance or ATP who are a little greener.

Having said that, I'm not sure it's going to be possible to pull off KfaD more than once with Zipped still in play. So, having said that, Zipped should be on the table for a night kill, too. For the same reason, I would also put Terra forward; getting Zipped and Terra off the board will let us get ahead of any contradictions between the original PMs and whatever changes we might have as scum. I'm not sure I know that there is anyone out there worth using the other abilities on tonight.

So my suggested actions are:
Desert Spada (Weaken): Kyan
King for a Day: Terra
Kill: Zipped

 

[Franconp]

I still don't think it's a good idea to use my role today. It's 2 shot and it seems too early to use it.

I think you should use yours.

I usually like low info kills N1. But we are not in a good situation right now so maybe we should be more bold.

This is the roster and the claimed roles:

[He/Him] malus - UTC-1 : He has my role. We know what he can do. He also is likely to have 2 kills that we can prevent so I wouldn't go after him.
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6: We know that he has a role related to the amount of posts that he make. It seems to have a ton of different powers so using Ground on him seems useless. He still has a little heat on him so I wouldn't kill him now. It seems that he made my role so I don't think he should live for a long time but I don't think he should die today.
[He/Him] jman1954goat|Jman - UTC+7: We know his role. He already claimed and said that he won't use it. He is being townreaded but still I woudn't go after him.
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-6: Made the game role. It's being townreaded so maybe could be a target for protection. I would either use Desert just in case someone targets her or directly a kill.
[He/Him] TheChuggernaut|Chugg - UTC-5: Made Monkey's role. I don't remember if he claimed something. He is being townreaded by most players. If someone has protection is very likely that it will target him. I would use Desert on him but maybe it's dangerous if we have another watcher.
[He/Him] Terraforce - UTC-4: He has Zeke's role. He defended Zeke so he is getting some heat. I wouldn't go after him at all. He could be a possible mislynch. Zeke said that we don't need to kill him. Maybe use Sables on him? It seems kind of useless.
[He/Him] Verelios - UTC-5: He made Jman's power. He is getting heat for that. Another possible mislynch.
[She/Her] Hawthorn - UTC-4: I have nothing on her. Maybe low info kill?
[She/Her] lokiduck|Loki - UTC-8: She is getting some townreads. I still wouldn't target her.
[He/Him] AllThingsPurple|ATP - UTC-0: Another low info kill?
[He/Him] Kyanrute - UTC+2: Made Zeke's role. He is in some weird middle ground where some people are town reading him but others are doubting him. I would wait to see what happens tomorrow.
[He/Him] turmoil7 - UTC-3: Made Zipped's role. Generally townreaded Turmoil is likely to get himself lynched in the future. I wouldn't mess with him tonight.
[He/Him] Lone_Prodigy - UTC-5: Just one post. The perfect low info kill.
[He/Him] A Wild Ambulance Appears|Ambulance - UTC-6: Some townreads. Still low info.
[He/Him] Stantastic - UTC+12: Another low info kill.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So, question to @SalvaPot, does the role blocking that's going on due to Fran's ability count as a night action? If it is, then using Spada on whoever is blocked publicly would result in a kill. I'm not sure there are any good choices there and maybe it's better spent on someone more dangerous, but it's something to consider.

Although, just perfectly so, turmoil has targeted Sawneeks. That would be an easy choice, if it counts, but we should get roleblocks to be more spread out to muddy the waters. Our choices in this pool are currently: Sawneeks, Hawthorn, Terraforce. There is a chance that Terra can trace the Spada back to his ability and say scum has the role, but at least if the roleblocks are a little more spread out, it would obfuscate that a little better.

As for low information kills, I'm all for it. Of the choices you've recommended, I think ATP fits best. He has not made many waves, even though Monkey townread him briefly, but he's also a player I've seen pull some smart moves given the space. I think he's going to become less suspicious to others as the game goes, also. This would be a good time to get in front of that.

 

[Franconp]

Remember that the blocks are low %. There is only a 15% chance that they will work. We shouldn't count them as a sure thing.

I like ATP's kill. Who do you want to use your power on? And do you agree that I should save my power today?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Remember that the blocks are low %. There is only a 15% chance that they will work. We shouldn't count them as a sure thing.

I like ATP's kill. Who do you want to use your power on? And do you agree that I should save my power today?

I thought the same about the block chance, but if Spada just needs someone to target the player, it's open to gamerunner's discretion on where the 15% resolves - before targeting or after targeting.

Yes, I think you should save KfaD. Maybe give the Zipped situation some time to work itself out, since town is starting to suspect him.

I'm still working through which power to use and on who. I'll throw out some possibilities in a few, I want to make a proper post in the game thread first haha

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok, at least between the two of us, consensus is to kill ATP. Would like @nin1000 to weigh in before carrying that out.

As for how to use my ability, I think we should consider these options:

Spada (Weaken): Chugg;
Ground (Roleblock): Terra; or
Spada (Weaken): A player who was targeted for roleblock, pending Salva's input and there being a bigger pool.

 

[Franconp]

I agree with Chuggs for weaken or Desert for Terra.

 

[nin1000]

Sorry, had a fuckton to do this weekend.

now, regarding the night actions.

 

[nin1000]

would also weaken Chuggernaut
RB Terra seems fine.

on who to give the role of king. Still not sure, even though i almos agree with kya would give the option to another middle field player.

Any ideas on who i should try to invite to a night chat ?
Since i have not been very active me opening up a night chat will seem kinda sus and not really cool.
Want to be more active D2 in order to gain some more trust with town and then invite someone in.

What are your thoughts on that matter ?

 

[Franconp]

Any ideas on who i should try to invite to a night chat ?

I think Saw would be a good option. Or Kyan.

Loki could be a good option if you were previously townreading her. Both Launch and I said we doubt her so it wouldn't make sense for us to invite her.

 

[nin1000]

Saw was my initial idea aswell, she kinda trusts me as in she knows how i play.
Loki is also a good choice since she was getting flak for playing with the idea that Zeke might be town

 

[Franconp]

Also Saw was your lover in Greed Island. Maybe you can use that to help her trust you.

 

[Franconp]

Kill: ATP

I will put this down here just in case. We still have time to change it if any of you thinks someone else would be better.

 

[nin1000]

Kill: ATP

I will put this down here just in case. We still have time to change it if any of you thinks someone else would be better.

Not sure about that but let's do this

I hesitate because if the small interaction I had just now with atp.

But your gut might be correct on that one hermano

 

[Franconp]

We can change? Who do you think it would be best?

 

[nin1000]

We can change? Who do you think it would be best?

Sill unsure. Malus ?

My gut told me turmoil. Killing him would also be okay. But I trust your gut more than mine. I have to read through the thread once more. Atp seem appropriate

 

[Franconp]

Not Malus. He still can be useful to us. He has 2 kills that we can prevent if they would hurt us.

 

[nin1000]

Okay, keep turmoil definitely alive. Him being sus of malus will just help us

 

[SalvaPot]

So, to answer your questions.

Spada resolves if the action actually works on the target.

You can change commands until before the time limit.

Remember to specify who does what, since you have to choose between your night ability or your night kill, just like in hxh mafia.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok, thank you for clarifying Salva.

I am unsure of which of the two options to do lol I would like the first “weaken” use to be as close to a sure kill as possible, but I also think tonight will be the best shot at getting Chugg with it. Blocking Terra feels like the safe choice of the two.

Do you all have a preference?

 

[Franconp]

I think you should block Terra. I think we can wait another day for Chuggs.

 

[nin1000]

I think you should block Terra. I think we can wait another day for Chuggs.

I will get behind this idea.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

GROUND SECCO: Terraforce

 

[nin1000]

Can I hear your thoughts on this matter ?

Shall I invite sawneeks today or shall I wait one more day in order to be active on D2 and then invite her into the chat ?

 

[SalvaPot]

Can I hear your thoughts on this matter ?

Shall I invite sawneeks today or shall I wait one more day in order to be active on D2 and then invite her into the chat ?

Your command is a day command, nin.

 

[nin1000]

Your command is a day command, nin.

Oh................. LooooooL

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

sorry nin, I made the same mistake lol

So, the discussion is really is Sawneeks a good player to invite to chat for tomorrow night, and I would say probably yes still.

 

[nin1000]

sorry nin, I made the same mistake lol

So, the discussion is really is Sawneeks a good player to invite to chat for tomorrow night, and I would say probably yes still.

Yeah. Will do that haha.

Atp can be of use if he keeps up his suspcion on Loki

 

[nin1000]

Nevermind, take him out and I might give loki some flak for it.

 

[SalvaPot]

Got half an hour to send in the commands.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Got half an hour to send in the commands.

Oh, do they need to be via PM?

 

[SalvaPot]

Oh, do they need to be via PM?

nah you can put it here

 

[Franconp]

So, only one block on us and it's just on Nin, who isn't using any actions. That's good. Let's hope roles don't screw with us much.

 

[SalvaPot]

Fran-> Kill: ATP
launch-> GROUND SECCO: Terraforce

 

[nin1000]

So, only one block on us and it's just on Nin, who isn't using any actions. That's good. Let's hope roles don't screw with us much.

Let's pray. I am feeling really good right now.
I feel confident with you taking the reigns as current town leader Fran, good times. Won't even try to contest that but will be more active tomorrow and engage with you aswell. I mean we have go sometime and it's better to make it early in the game than later. It will only look scummy. Same for you launch.

Don't hold back on me though.


Not sure if I will be able to be here at the day start. Just fyi. Will be here in around 11 hours

 

[Franconp]

That kill was great. The role was really dangerous.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

oooooof, good kill there gents

 

[nin1000]

I still cant wrap my head around that i am getting heat over quoting Turmoils list rofl.

Will asky kya a bit and give his reason as to why he wants to shoot me and then leave it at that.
Dont want to be the center of attention and get shot at.

 

[Franconp]

You are getting heat from Ambulance mostly. I don't think that he played enought with you to know your meta.

 

[nin1000]

You are getting heat from Ambulance mostly. I don't think that he played enought with you to know your meta.

Thats what i am getting aswell, will invite Sawneeks into the night chat just fyi.

 

[nin1000]

dont run yourself into a corner mate.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

lol I was getting bored, but Hawthorn coming forward is going to make them chase their tails for awhile.

 

[nin1000]

lol I was getting bored, but Hawthorn coming forward is going to make them chase their tails for awhile.

well played!

 

[nin1000]

this is a good clusterfuck.

 

[SalvaPot]

this is a good clusterfuck.

thanks

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I am honestly very afraid that Terra's and Zipped's roles were changed when they were handed over to us, same as what happened to Kyan's, so making that whole line of discussion as unreliable as possible for as long as possible is a good thing

 

[nin1000]

thanks

haha, i can feel the pain hermano :*

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I don't know what the hell Chugg is trying to breadcrumb here:

Hey @jman1954goat what are your favorite animals. I personally have 3 that I’m a bad fan of. Osprey’s, Rhino’s, and Bats

And I think Jman has the gossip half of nin's role:

@LaunchpadMcQ and @Hawthon

Do you think it's possible to say your role if it's not in the gamethread?

I might have a way to get the info from you without you during it depends in the wording of the restriction

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

One piece of good news is that between Monkey, ATP, and Fran choosing not to create an investigative role, I think we're likely out of the woods on investigative roles.

That said, what's giving me worry now is what if Fran's killing power went to someone other than malus. Jman seems to have Vere's vote silencing power and nin's gossip power.

 

[Franconp]

And I think Jman has the gossip half of nin's role:

Jman also won an item. Maybe he got a chat from there.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Jman also won an item. Maybe he got a chat from there.

Sawneeks claimed that it’s a 50% of it doing *something*, but he also just ate the fruit today. I don’t think he’ll see the effect until tonight. My guess is a protection role.

 

[Franconp]

I don't think all the items will have the same effect and if one of them is a night chat it makes sense that the player got the power during the day phase.

 

[Franconp]

It seems like I won't live long.

 

[nin1000]

For ducks sake man, how many cops can there be we cannot lose out top town player this soon

 

[nin1000]

Won't even try to defend you though. Lol

 

[Franconp]

Yes, I'm pretty much done.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Sorry Fran. This is a rough one.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'm intending to modify Terra's role now that he's dead, in case it was modified to be scum and it digs us into a hole if people start piecing things together. I wanted to get your take on this before you're out the door, Fran.

You found yourself able to use Sand powers!
1. Ground Secco: Player: Target player loses one use of a multi-use ability, would make them miss their next command if they don't have a multi-use ability.
2. Sables: Player: Protect the target player from being killed. If the player is targeted by multiple killing actions, it will only protect the target from one kill.
3. Desert Spada: Player: Target player becomes "weak." If another player targets this player during the night phase, then your target dies.

You must PM any of this three commands during the night. You can only use one of this command per night. You must use all of them to be able to use one of them again.

That should make the heavy downside of being forced to weaken a player more believable.

My tentative plan for N2 is to use the real Sables ability on Vere tonight (under the guise that I was trying to protect him if I get called out on it), making him presumably target himself and himself. I think nin is going to be in the pool of players Vere will check tonight, and having Vere get a green check there will be a good thing. I'll probably still be looking null to town for folks, but I'm probably in that pool, as well. It's a bit of a gamble, but I feel like one of nin or I getting green checked is one of our best paths forward. We can kill Vere the following night and dodge the protection he will likely get tonight.

Then we can work out how to use Spada and make it look like an accident on N3.

 

[nin1000]

Then we can work out how to use Spada and make it look like an accident on N3.

Nice, i just send out the command for the night chat out, inviting Saw into the other chat.

 

[nin1000]

Damn man, it still hurts to have lost you Fran.

 

[nin1000]

Screaming gut read night help me in the long run. They won't see it coming

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, we're not in a bad spot, but we need to deal with Vere so it doesn't come back on us.

@SalvaPot If I use Sables on a player who picks multiple targets, will they just choose themselves twice?

 

[nin1000]

gg Fran. Would have loved to have played some more with you :(

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Alright, who we looking at for the night kill?

Who is top townread at the moment:

Chugg
Stan
Kyan
Sawneeks
Vere

I lean towards Kyan. Stan isn't active enough to game solve and as the top townread, is likely to be protected. I think Chugg can be left a little while longer. Sneeks I would not kill since you are having a night chat with her and depending on how that goes, we might gain an advantange there; she also townreads me. Vere is going to be protected and we can screw with his results.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, we're not in a bad spot, but we need to deal with Vere so it doesn't come back on us.

Sorry, I meant to say, yes we're in a bad spot losing Fran. I meant nin and I aren't in a spot of being suspected yet. I didn't want to give the wrong idea, I think losing Zeke and Fran were huge blows, a large part of which because I think they're great players :(

 

[nin1000]

Sorry, I meant to say, yes we're in a bad spot losing Fran. I meant nin and I aren't in a spot of being suspected yet. I didn't want to give the wrong idea, I think losing Zeke and Fran were huge blows, a large part of which because I think they're great players :(

We can pull through tough!

lets see how Sawneeks reacts to the night chat.

 

[SalvaPot]

Yeah, we're not in a bad spot, but we need to deal with Vere so it doesn't come back on us.

@SalvaPot If I use Sables on a player who picks multiple targets, will they just choose themselves twice?

Depends in how it works, if for example you are talking about a Parity Cop, it would yield No Result since they only targeted one player.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Depends in how it works, if for example you are talking about a Parity Cop, it would yield No Result since they only targeted one player.

boooo

Well, it's not ideal, but it's enough that Vere doesn't get another reliable result out of his power.

Sables: Verelios

 

[nin1000]

any idea who we should take out ?

 

[nin1000]

when can i access the new and shiny night chat ?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

any idea who we should take out ?

I am thinking Kyan:

Alright, who we looking at for the night kill?

Who is top townread at the moment:

Chugg
Stan
Kyan
Sawneeks
Vere

I lean towards Kyan. Stan isn't active enough to game solve and as the top townread, is likely to be protected. I think Chugg can be left a little while longer. Sneeks I would not kill since you are having a night chat with her and depending on how that goes, we might gain an advantange there; she also townreads me. Vere is going to be protected and we can screw with his results.

 

[nin1000]

yeah, lets go for Kya

 

[nin1000]

we still have 24 hours left, will write down my feelings and thoughts soonish into this thread

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

No worries. Let me know if anything comes up with Sneeks

 

[nin1000]

fyi, stans vote did not count

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Did Sneeks tell you that?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

oh nevermind I see it

 

[nin1000]

oh nevermind I see it

yeah i mean even though i opened up the vote count at that time, it counted as 9 votes on the vote tool, when Salva posted it though it was striked out so i guess there is somewhat of a restriction on using that gun i think

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

What I can tell you is not to worry about it :)

I don't want to spoil the fun of the restriction Salva put on me by hinting at things too heavily or advising you how to act, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[nin1000]

What I can tell you is not to worry about it :)

I don't want to spoil the fun of the restriction Salva put on me by hinting at things too heavily or advising you how to act, so I'll just leave it at that.

hahaha okay there :P

 

[nin1000]

Hey launch, i am going to give you the read list before i post it into the night chat with Sawneeks.
Feel free to alter it and put in some nasty words into it or change yours

malus : had him at null last time, still unsure what to think of him. Fran being mafia just made him more of an question mark for me.

Zippedpinhead|Zipped : His whole stick of only being able to keep at a certain post count makes me still laugh. The way he has been playing though has me comfortable that he is townish ? If he is mafia though he is playing effin good. for now he switched into a town lean.

jman1954goat|Jman : Started off sour since he "wasted" his shot on zeke, Vere came along and explained it which put him into a neutral position, but the way he just gave up while playing against AWAA has me iffy. He is a null to me.

malus : Turns out, Fran ( mafia player ) made his role, he was more of a town lean before but this changes it into a null.

Sawneeks|Sneeks : Like i said earlier, you did not put yourself out there excessively you came into the game hunting like you good old self which gave me strong town vibes, sure i used my meta to decide but currently my strongest player after Vere.

TheChuggernaut|Chugg : Chugger is still on the top 3 town players, if he is mafia i will eat my hat.


Verelios : Since he claimed and got a positive red check on Fran i am confident that he is town.

Hawthorn : soft town lean, she usually gets some heat for playing like that. For the moment i dont see her being scum.

lokiduck|Loki : Day 1 was rough for her, she had a connection to Zeke which she explained and i decided to not go into for the moment i dont see scum in her.

Kyanrute : Nothing changed since he called out Zeke in the best way possible.

turmoil7 : Other than his math skills, which i piggybacked on and got heat for it. i dont know. His post #1,486


zipped, activate the bomb I will hammer you

just left a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe he was joking but still


Lone_Prodigy : i still dont know what to think about him, he barely posts lol

A Wild Ambulance Appears|Ambulance : He was one of the few players who called me out for the piggyback, usually that gives me a good feeling since he is doing some work, but still. Unsure about him.

LaunchpadMcQ|Launchpad : Playing the usual Launch self, usually he is more agressive

Stantastic : he shot terra, which gave Vere the confirmation that Fran was Mafia. He also lost his vote privileges. Transformed from a Town lean into a null for me.

 

[nin1000]

Sawneeks came into the chat not expecting a night chat.

She asked me why i picked her and why tonight

 

[nin1000]

I gave her the reason that i could not really grasp any of the players D1 and decided to wait until i had a better feeling. Told her that i used my meta read in order to decide on her.

 

[nin1000]

she responded with " that makes me feel a biiit better about you, honestly"

 

[nin1000]

we talked about the gun and asked me about my thoughts on the other players

 

[nin1000]

Sorry for the spam,


Wrote down the list as you can see above.

If you want to lay a seed please pick a player and put it into my read list hehe.
Will wait until you come back to talk it through before i post it into the other chat.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I have no changes to your reads there. There are a few people I see good opportunities to build cases against, but I want to see if town does it on their own without influencing them.

If you’re still good with killing Kyan, you’ll have to put the kill command in btw

 

[nin1000]

ahh, thanks for the reminder

Kill: Kyanrute

 

[nin1000]

we can do this Mate, i have faith in both of skills.

 

[nin1000]

we can do this Mate, i have faith in both of skills.

Both of our skills that is :P

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

uh oh, I just thought of something. malus activated battle royale, which means that someone is going to get night kill protection N3. Town is going to want to have folks throw the rock-paper-scissors game to give Vere the night protection, so we will not be able to kill him N3. I think maybe we should use weaken on him tonight, instead, so that there's at least a chance Vere dies if he's protected. I think Vere getting a useless result tonight isn't worth him getting a useful result tomorrow.

If we do this, we will hopefully have two deaths tonight - Kyan and Vere.

 

[nin1000]

good point!!

 

[nin1000]

i am all for it !

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Desert Spada: Verelios