Gossip Thread Orb Chat 4
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Verelios
Were-elios
Hm...wait. Thinking cap time.
So, let's say this is Jman's created Fighting ability or crew talent.
In that case, the PR would be to give an orb to another player that starts a limited time night chat.
But seeing as the chat only started now, it's either a gimped utility or dependent on time of use.
So, let's say this is Jman's created Fighting ability or crew talent.
In that case, the PR would be to give an orb to another player that starts a limited time night chat.
But seeing as the chat only started now, it's either a gimped utility or dependent on time of use.
Verelios
Were-elios
Oh boy, I'm strapped in for the drop.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Jman created the Orb and Chuggs got it as a role. The Orb, when given out, creates a chat with the player who sent it and the player who received it. This is one of those chats and there have been a lot of them.
The Orb has moved between the following people: Chuggs -> Neeks -> (ATP) Ambulance -> me -> you. I mention ATP there because Neeks gave the Orb to ATP but when ATP died, it got randomed onto Ambulance instead. Jman claimed that this particular interaction was what he wrote in, it looks like there was no manipulation involved with it or anything. You might remember Launch talking about the Orb, that was just a pure coincidence.
Essentially people have been talking A LOT during night.
The Orb has moved between the following people: Chuggs -> Neeks -> (ATP) Ambulance -> me -> you. I mention ATP there because Neeks gave the Orb to ATP but when ATP died, it got randomed onto Ambulance instead. Jman claimed that this particular interaction was what he wrote in, it looks like there was no manipulation involved with it or anything. You might remember Launch talking about the Orb, that was just a pure coincidence.
Essentially people have been talking A LOT during night.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Ambulance is a Neighborizer. Wanna hear the fun bit? nin is a Neighborizer as well! You might remember such hits as:
- Neeks referring multiple chats before she won.
- nin hinting that he knew something about one of those chats Neeks was referring to.
- Ambulance, Chuggs and me asking nin if she was claiming Neeks' tracker/watcher - at that point we all knew that that would've been a lie if claimed.
Isn't it easy to understand? lol
- Neeks referring multiple chats before she won.
- nin hinting that he knew something about one of those chats Neeks was referring to.
- Ambulance, Chuggs and me asking nin if she was claiming Neeks' tracker/watcher - at that point we all knew that that would've been a lie if claimed.
Isn't it easy to understand? lol
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
It started as a major info drop by Ambulance and after I finally understood most of it, we talked about our scum reads and what we wanted to do next and why. Typical gossip stuff, apart from the info nuke. It allowed me to get a better read on Ambulance so that alone was very beneficial to me. I strongly believe that Ambulance is town.
Verelios
Were-elios
So, where I'm at right now is that I think scum is in Nin, Hawthorn, Chuggs or Turmoil (less sure on Turmoil and Zipped. Fran basically left that line of questioning alone, and if I were a deep wolf guy I would say Launch specifically targeted Zipped to keep the appearance of it not being a bus if either fell on the sword. Turmoil is themlm easy answer though.)
How did your chat leave you feeling on Nin? And how do you feel about Zipped/Turmoil? T/T?
Verelios
Were-elios
Hmmmm, I would need a day to make sure I wasn't redirected or my target switched, but I compared Jman and Loki the night before and they were the same alignment.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I didn't chat with nin, Neeks did. Neeks also chatted with Ambulance, who in turn chatted with me. There was overlap with the chats and Neeks, even as a neutral, passed information along. So I don't have a read on nin through that, I just think that his sudden clairvoyant scum reads are questionable when they happen twice in a row.
That was N2? I think there is a single unknown non-Crew Talent role out there that could be a redirect or a switch. All other roles should be present and accounted for, so that one role is the sole thing that could've manipulated you. Other than that...Launch? Not sure how his Mirror would've worked with parity cop.
But I can fully buy Jman being town, out of those three he was the person that I felt best about.
That was N2? I think there is a single unknown non-Crew Talent role out there that could be a redirect or a switch. All other roles should be present and accounted for, so that one role is the sole thing that could've manipulated you. Other than that...Launch? Not sure how his Mirror would've worked with parity cop.
But I can fully buy Jman being town, out of those three he was the person that I felt best about.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Ambulance told me that ATP died on the night he would've received the orb. So no, he never had the chance to say anything.
Somebody must do the NK after all...
Verelios
Were-elios
No, but I breadcrumbed it in the main thread.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Would scum Chuggs push Launch like that? That's a pretty hardcore deep wolf move. It is not impossible, but I don't see it being a viable long-term scum play. Scum should realize that they need the mislynches to win, they can't win the attrition game as long as you are out there checking things.
That's also why I came to like those that voted Launch, the coordinated bus play is bad when scum are -2. I think it is easier to look for the signs for the other play, to look for those who really did not want Launch to die. nin is a late hop on Launch and his reasoning is off. turm tosses his vote here and there, looking for alternatives to Launch, and eventually ends on the one credible counter-train.
I wouldn't entertain Zipped as the next lynch, just because he was the counter to Launch and Launch himself pushed him rather hard. That's the simple idea. The extreme idea is that Launch pushed Zipped to give Zipped cover when he died - no way is Zipped scum because how Launch acted toward him!
Chuggs pointed this out in party 1, but would Fran and scum Hawthorn all push loki together? How things went, it looks like loki was at least a shallowly planned mislynch, but would three scum all push to the same direction? Also, if you buy the idea that Zipped, a counter to Launch was town, why didn't scum Hawthorn go there instead of entertaining the nin possibility? If you want to entertain the paranoid option though, she didn't want to go to Zipped because he was scum as well. The Jman check is something interesting though, if turm flips scum. Hawthorn wanted to block Jman over turm, because Jman said that he had no night action.
I think we should entertain the simpler options first. If I had to rank these people from t to s: Chuggs > Hawthorn > Zipped > turm > nin.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I mistyped that. Jman is still saying that he will not use his night action, so Hawthorn and Zipped wanted to block him because of that. The we don't lose anything if he is telling the truth -mentality. Hawthorn did, Zipped blocked turm instead.
Ah, malus's Universal Backup. Hawthorn, turm or Stan should have that. Everyone else has already claimed what they have.
Ah, malus's Universal Backup. Hawthorn, turm or Stan should have that. Everyone else has already claimed what they have.
Verelios
Were-elios
So, what caused you to view Hawthorn as much more town?
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
She started to look less suspicious when placed next to someone like nin or turm, the POE swung to her favor. If I assume that nin is scum and he wanted to push the lynch away from Launch, why does he vote for scum Hawthorn? If I assume that scum Hawthorn wanted to prod for alternatives with that nin vote, why did she never vote for Zipped? There is the loki connection, would scum all focus on a single target like that? Overall the case against her seems unclear and it never goes beyond anything else than she rubs me the wrong way.
Verelios
Were-elios
I went with your gut and checked Chuggs against Hawthorn to hopefully clear two more people. Since Nin is blocked and hopefully Turm as well (if you guys blocked Turm rather than Jman), if it's not a Hydro pump tactic we should see a no kill night, and a POE that take us down to Nin, turms and Zipped.
Verelios
Were-elios
Well, it's going to be apparent soon if that happened.
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