Pair Thread Mario / Luigi Kart
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
I don't know what Geno was playing at with that claim.
First of all, any kind of pre-game ability is really rare around here in my experience. Secondly, I don't think I've ever seen a Day-Cop here either. Third, Mario and Luigi are the most likely characters to be in the Mario Kart game, flavor-wise.
So what we have on our hands is Geno claiming something that he almost certainly knew would be shot down and side-eyed almost immediately, including knowing that whoever is actually Mario and Luigi would immediately know he's lying.
So... what's Geno playing at? That's my question lol. Just doesn't feel like a Scum move, it's way to obvious and asking to be countered.
First of all, any kind of pre-game ability is really rare around here in my experience. Secondly, I don't think I've ever seen a Day-Cop here either. Third, Mario and Luigi are the most likely characters to be in the Mario Kart game, flavor-wise.
So what we have on our hands is Geno claiming something that he almost certainly knew would be shot down and side-eyed almost immediately, including knowing that whoever is actually Mario and Luigi would immediately know he's lying.
So... what's Geno playing at? That's my question lol. Just doesn't feel like a Scum move, it's way to obvious and asking to be countered.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
The thing that sticks out to me the most is the part that we know to be a 100% lie, which is the Mario and Luigi flavor.
Why does Geno claim Mario and Luigi knowing for sure that the real ones are out there and will know he's full of shit?
It could be a plot to draw us out to counter claim, maybe he's a Neutral and needs to kill us to win or some shit. We counter, he day kills us, and exits with a win. I was a Neutral with a 1-Shot Day Vig once and I had to kill a specific player with it to win, but all I got was their flavor name in my PM. In hindsight, this would have been a decent gambit to draw out my target for the win at any point in the game. Ironically, it was Geno who I was supposed to shoot in that game lol.
So aside from whether or not the Day Cop shit is true, which I don't think it is, I'm just left wondering why the hell he claimed Mario and Luigi and what he wants the real Mario and Luigi to do about it. Geno isn't dumb, there's a motive to this claim, and I don't trust it lol.
Fake Edit: I now see Terra has come in and said Geno was lying about all of it. I still don't like that he added the flavor though, that feels so sketchy, why try to bait a counter claim out like that even for flavor? I still do not like it lol.
All that being said though, I don't really plan to do anything about it yet lol. I'd rather let other things come up now and not get stuck on this one thing forever.
Why does Geno claim Mario and Luigi knowing for sure that the real ones are out there and will know he's full of shit?
It could be a plot to draw us out to counter claim, maybe he's a Neutral and needs to kill us to win or some shit. We counter, he day kills us, and exits with a win. I was a Neutral with a 1-Shot Day Vig once and I had to kill a specific player with it to win, but all I got was their flavor name in my PM. In hindsight, this would have been a decent gambit to draw out my target for the win at any point in the game. Ironically, it was Geno who I was supposed to shoot in that game lol.
So aside from whether or not the Day Cop shit is true, which I don't think it is, I'm just left wondering why the hell he claimed Mario and Luigi and what he wants the real Mario and Luigi to do about it. Geno isn't dumb, there's a motive to this claim, and I don't trust it lol.
Fake Edit: I now see Terra has come in and said Geno was lying about all of it. I still don't like that he added the flavor though, that feels so sketchy, why try to bait a counter claim out like that even for flavor? I still do not like it lol.
All that being said though, I don't really plan to do anything about it yet lol. I'd rather let other things come up now and not get stuck on this one thing forever.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm about to go play some Deus Ex and then go to bed, but before I go, I just want to say:
God, Zeke just feels painfully Town here to me lol.
It's like 100% pure concentrated META though, so I don't really want to bring it up in the thread, but I honestly feel like I have a good Meta on Zeke so I want to call it now in here lol. The read can still evolve from here, but for now, he's super Town in my book already lol.
Sophia feels really Townie too. She's playing how she taught me to play, though she did fool me like that as Scum on D1 once, but combined with my Zeke read, she feels pretty genuine here.
That's probably my best read so far. I'll need to look into some others to see if I have anything that strong elsewhere yet.
God, Zeke just feels painfully Town here to me lol.
It's like 100% pure concentrated META though, so I don't really want to bring it up in the thread, but I honestly feel like I have a good Meta on Zeke so I want to call it now in here lol. The read can still evolve from here, but for now, he's super Town in my book already lol.
Sophia feels really Townie too. She's playing how she taught me to play, though she did fool me like that as Scum on D1 once, but combined with my Zeke read, she feels pretty genuine here.
That's probably my best read so far. I'll need to look into some others to see if I have anything that strong elsewhere yet.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
For the record, if you want to workshop any reads you have on anyone with me in here, feel free. I still think it's important that we both share reads, but I also think it's important that we both agree on them. I'm probably a naturally more talkative player than you are, but if you want to work on reads and then present them still, I can use that as a jumping off point to talk about how and why I agree with you as well.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
What is your take on Faddy at the moment?
I feel like Bear pretty much nailed it, and Monkey has followed up on it nicely too, and I had a gut Town read on Bear already so seeing him come through with that huge post makes me feel even more strongly about that.
As of now, I'd rather vote Faddy than Geno. Geno I think is more likely to be a Neutral if there was a motive behind that claim since we have that extra bit to be paranoid about with, and I'd rather hunt Mafia first personally. Neutrals can be taken care of when we're feeling like Town is in a good spot overall.
I feel like Bear pretty much nailed it, and Monkey has followed up on it nicely too, and I had a gut Town read on Bear already so seeing him come through with that huge post makes me feel even more strongly about that.
As of now, I'd rather vote Faddy than Geno. Geno I think is more likely to be a Neutral if there was a motive behind that claim since we have that extra bit to be paranoid about with, and I'd rather hunt Mafia first personally. Neutrals can be taken care of when we're feeling like Town is in a good spot overall.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm moving on from Geno and Terra honestly, it's not worth getting hung up on the one thing and staying there all day. The thread, and the other Town players, are looking elsewhere, and it's best to play as a team with the other people we're Town reading.
I've got a decent list of Town put together so far:
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
Android Sophia and EzekelRAGE
Fireblend and weemadarthur
The Bear and Sawneeks
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
I still need to look over ATP and Ambulance/Launch so they might get added too, but I would say to look at people outside of that group and see if anyone sticks out to you and then we can talk about it in here.
I've got a decent list of Town put together so far:
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
Android Sophia and EzekelRAGE
Fireblend and weemadarthur
The Bear and Sawneeks
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
I still need to look over ATP and Ambulance/Launch so they might get added too, but I would say to look at people outside of that group and see if anyone sticks out to you and then we can talk about it in here.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
For the record, I think Sorian's role is Escape Artist.
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Geno could be Town lying.
It's all weird gambits and 5th dimensional chess in this game so far. Geno lying does not mean he's Scum, that's the problem. A billion other things have happened since then, and I would argue that lie wasn't even the scummiest thing that's happened today.
It's all weird gambits and 5th dimensional chess in this game so far. Geno lying does not mean he's Scum, that's the problem. A billion other things have happened since then, and I would argue that lie wasn't even the scummiest thing that's happened today.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, Faddy was Town.
God, that's exactly how I felt by the end and I said as much.
I do think Monkey is Town though because she saw it right at the end too.
VA swapping his vote again though, ugh, he should have just sheeped his partner's swap and left it there.
The late votes on Faddy are just blaaaahhhhhhhhh, I hate it. ATP/Launch, Sparks/Polter, Lux/Terra. I'd give more of a pass to Lux/Terra just because they were so inactive it's hard to read anything into them yet, but keep them on a watch list. There's also a tinge of paranoia about Sawneeks/Bear, I'm just not sure if they would push so hard and openly for a flip they already knew was going to be Town, it would be a really bold Scum play, that's for sure, much WIFOM.
I'm feeling pretty good about almost everyone who ended up on Zipped/Zeke tbh.
The Chugg votes are rough. Zeke/Zipped obviously, Fireblend's vote there is weird, I'm going to have to look into that one more closely. Geno and Terra were both there, but Terra broke to Zipped at the end.
Everyone else off the main wagons would be: Wee fucking off on Sorian, which is a bad vote. Salva, Blarg, and Muffin had no votes down. Salva is with Nin, who I'm feeling fine about. Blarg and LP... not ready to get a read going there yet. Muffin is with Sorian, and I have them as Town.
So, my TLDR is that I would put the following into my suspect list for the night here:
ATP/Launch
Sparks/Polter
Zipped/Zeke
Fireblend/Wee
What do you think?
God, that's exactly how I felt by the end and I said as much.
I do think Monkey is Town though because she saw it right at the end too.
VA swapping his vote again though, ugh, he should have just sheeped his partner's swap and left it there.
The late votes on Faddy are just blaaaahhhhhhhhh, I hate it. ATP/Launch, Sparks/Polter, Lux/Terra. I'd give more of a pass to Lux/Terra just because they were so inactive it's hard to read anything into them yet, but keep them on a watch list. There's also a tinge of paranoia about Sawneeks/Bear, I'm just not sure if they would push so hard and openly for a flip they already knew was going to be Town, it would be a really bold Scum play, that's for sure, much WIFOM.
I'm feeling pretty good about almost everyone who ended up on Zipped/Zeke tbh.
The Chugg votes are rough. Zeke/Zipped obviously, Fireblend's vote there is weird, I'm going to have to look into that one more closely. Geno and Terra were both there, but Terra broke to Zipped at the end.
Everyone else off the main wagons would be: Wee fucking off on Sorian, which is a bad vote. Salva, Blarg, and Muffin had no votes down. Salva is with Nin, who I'm feeling fine about. Blarg and LP... not ready to get a read going there yet. Muffin is with Sorian, and I have them as Town.
So, my TLDR is that I would put the following into my suspect list for the night here:
ATP/Launch
Sparks/Polter
Zipped/Zeke
Fireblend/Wee
What do you think?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
TOWN
Sorian and Muffin
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
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The Bear and Sawneeks
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
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Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Geno and Terraforce
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Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Fireblend and weemadarthur
AllThingsPurple and LaunchpadMcQ
SCUM
Ok, so this is what I ended up with for a kind of tiered list from Town to Scum just based on staring at names and thinking about how they made me feel, which is a very scientific method involving hundreds of millions of computations per second in my brain, trust me.
This basically produced the same result as the list of people who's votes felt strange to me, just with Sparks and Polter outside of the Scum list.
That gives me a little bit more confidence in those reads.
The "---" lines are to denote a kind of switch in tiers. I could probably relabel this with "Town" "Lean Town" "Null" and "Scum", but I like how this looks lol sue me.
I really need to dig in to why exactly Zipped/Zeke, Fireblend/Wee, and ATP/Launch are giving me strong Scum vibes compared to everyone else in the game.
Also, in before the Scum team is actually just Sorian/Monkey/Bear and the game was rigged from the start lol.
Sorian and Muffin
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
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The Bear and Sawneeks
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
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Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Geno and Terraforce
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Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Fireblend and weemadarthur
AllThingsPurple and LaunchpadMcQ
SCUM
Ok, so this is what I ended up with for a kind of tiered list from Town to Scum just based on staring at names and thinking about how they made me feel, which is a very scientific method involving hundreds of millions of computations per second in my brain, trust me.
This basically produced the same result as the list of people who's votes felt strange to me, just with Sparks and Polter outside of the Scum list.
That gives me a little bit more confidence in those reads.
The "---" lines are to denote a kind of switch in tiers. I could probably relabel this with "Town" "Lean Town" "Null" and "Scum", but I like how this looks lol sue me.
I really need to dig in to why exactly Zipped/Zeke, Fireblend/Wee, and ATP/Launch are giving me strong Scum vibes compared to everyone else in the game.
Also, in before the Scum team is actually just Sorian/Monkey/Bear and the game was rigged from the start lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, Monkey had a similar trajectory as me, it was just that I came around to Faddy being Town before she did. I want to look back on her Zeke read again, because that was what made her switch there. I'm not sure if it's valid anymore though, because she was saying it was a partner read on Faddy, thinking the two were Scum together. I'm not sure if that Scum read holds up still with Faddy flipping Town.
However, I still really don't like that Zeke decided to claim Doctor with 2 minutes to go once he was taking the lead though. Like, sure, a real Doc might do that, but ugh, it really felt like a "Shit, I can't get voted out now, I need to just claim Doc and hopefully enough people see it and switch back to Faddy" move, because he was really gaining votes in the last 5 minutes and would have been ousted if it weren't for Vincent swapping back to Faddy at the end.
I'm guessing that Doc claim will sort itself out though. I don't fully expect a counter immediately, but if there is a real Doc, they know Zeke is lying and will likely push him as a Scum read, so we'll want to keep an eye on that situation on D2 for possible breadcrumbs from a real Doc.
However, I still really don't like that Zeke decided to claim Doctor with 2 minutes to go once he was taking the lead though. Like, sure, a real Doc might do that, but ugh, it really felt like a "Shit, I can't get voted out now, I need to just claim Doc and hopefully enough people see it and switch back to Faddy" move, because he was really gaining votes in the last 5 minutes and would have been ousted if it weren't for Vincent swapping back to Faddy at the end.
I'm guessing that Doc claim will sort itself out though. I don't fully expect a counter immediately, but if there is a real Doc, they know Zeke is lying and will likely push him as a Scum read, so we'll want to keep an eye on that situation on D2 for possible breadcrumbs from a real Doc.
I have a bad feeling about Sawneeks and The Bear, I think they tried to direct the votes onto Faddy. They were very insistent on that, and it got a townie killed. Be interesting to see how people react, if they get questioned and by who.
I noticed that Muffin didn't even vote. Given that, why is Sorian so high on the list?
Yeah watching Zeke closely will be important D2.
I noticed that Muffin didn't even vote. Given that, why is Sorian so high on the list?
Yeah watching Zeke closely will be important D2.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I have uneasy feelings on Saw/Bear, but the one bit of WIFOM I come back to and sip from is "Would Scum so openly and brazenly push for a Townie like Faddy on D1?" I feel like they would gladly vote there and go along with such a read, for sure, but would they start it themselves in such an obvious and overt way on D1, knowing all eyes will be on them when he flips Town? That's what trips me up and makes me think they are Town with a wrong read, it's easier for me to believe that for now than the other way around without anything else to go on.
Muffin is attached to Sorian, and I think Sorian has been breadcrumbing as an Escape Artist, I made a note of it earlier. It was something that Faddy and Monkey at least were discussing on D1, and I agree that he is likely to be Town here. Obviously, Scum can make fake breadcrumbs and convince Town of their fake role claim, it's something I'm infamous for having done as Scum, but this all fits a very Sorian playbook and the role I think he's crumbing is always Town.
I'll go look over Fireblend and Wee next I suppose, that was a big concern of mine and I need to go remind myself why now.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Right, so looking over Fireblend, one of the things I really don't like is the difference between where his vote was versus where his attitude was at EoD.
Fireblend voted for Chugg about 6 hours before EoD, at this time Chugg/Hedin were gaining a lot of traction and were in the lead too I believe.
As the day gets closer to EoD, the wagons ended up shifting more towards Faddy/Malus for the leader, and eventually Chugg/Hedin were being seen more as Town by the thread, and votes were shifting off them and moving either to Faddy/Malus or to Zipped/Zeke who were now also a new wagon.
Fireblend never moved his voted off of Chugg, but during EoD he was throwing some light shade at both Zipped/Zeke and Faddy/Malus, and never really reads to me as being too concerned about which of those two were going to flip or whether his vote needed to move off a dead wagon to make a difference or not.
I'll look at Wee next.
Fireblend voted for Chugg about 6 hours before EoD, at this time Chugg/Hedin were gaining a lot of traction and were in the lead too I believe.
As the day gets closer to EoD, the wagons ended up shifting more towards Faddy/Malus for the leader, and eventually Chugg/Hedin were being seen more as Town by the thread, and votes were shifting off them and moving either to Faddy/Malus or to Zipped/Zeke who were now also a new wagon.
Fireblend never moved his voted off of Chugg, but during EoD he was throwing some light shade at both Zipped/Zeke and Faddy/Malus, and never really reads to me as being too concerned about which of those two were going to flip or whether his vote needed to move off a dead wagon to make a difference or not.
I'll look at Wee next.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Wee comes back looking a bit better, though I still don't like her vote staying off on Sorian/Muffin all day and never moving. She seemed to waffle on all the leading trains in her read list too. Her scum reads were you/me, and ATP/Launch, which honestly aren't terrible reads since I was playing poorly and ATP/Launch are on my list now too. Bleh, I don't know, my read on Fireblend feels better than my one on Wee, I'm not as sure that I want her on my suspect list.
Speaking of ATP/Launch, they are next on my list though, so I'll be looking over them now.
Speaking of ATP/Launch, they are next on my list though, so I'll be looking over them now.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I don't really have any negative feelings on ATP/Launch after looking at their ISOs. Scum Launch usually has a very calculated feeling to him, and he did not have that vibe in any of his few posts after subbing in, he felt Townie like he did last game when I had a good early Town read on him.
ATP felt like he was having a hard time getting a grasp on anything D1, and stayed focused on the few things he could get a grasp on. It's not necessarily an alignment tell either way, but I had similar feelings myself at times, so it doesn't raise any red flags.
I'll need to figure out some actual Scum leans here lol, because I am starting to doubt all these ones I came in with.
Chugg/Hedin might be, I keep going back and forth, but there are some posts that just give me hard Town vibes and it's hard for me to look past those.
Jman and Hawthorn, decent one to look in to I suppose.
It's still entirely possible that Zipped/Zeke are not the Doctor and that was a total last ditch fake claim, so that's still a big question mark at least.
Salva and Nin definitely seemed to fade a bit, I think it was Nin who was around more at EoD though and I wasn't getting bad vibes necessarily.
Lux/Terra, Sparks/Polter, and Blarg/LP, those would be the others that I have trending towards a Null read compared to others I guess.
So, let me see, here's a new list for myself I guess:
Town:
Sorian and Muffin
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
Lean Town:
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
AllThingsPurple and LaunchpadMcQ
Null/Possible Suspect Zone:
Fireblend and weemadarthur
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
I really need to get the Suspects sorted from the Nulls, that's what seems to be hurting me here right now. And if I am Mega Wrong on one or more of my early Town Leans, then fuck me, this is going to be a rough one lol.
ATP felt like he was having a hard time getting a grasp on anything D1, and stayed focused on the few things he could get a grasp on. It's not necessarily an alignment tell either way, but I had similar feelings myself at times, so it doesn't raise any red flags.
I'll need to figure out some actual Scum leans here lol, because I am starting to doubt all these ones I came in with.
Chugg/Hedin might be, I keep going back and forth, but there are some posts that just give me hard Town vibes and it's hard for me to look past those.
Jman and Hawthorn, decent one to look in to I suppose.
It's still entirely possible that Zipped/Zeke are not the Doctor and that was a total last ditch fake claim, so that's still a big question mark at least.
Salva and Nin definitely seemed to fade a bit, I think it was Nin who was around more at EoD though and I wasn't getting bad vibes necessarily.
Lux/Terra, Sparks/Polter, and Blarg/LP, those would be the others that I have trending towards a Null read compared to others I guess.
So, let me see, here's a new list for myself I guess:
Town:
Sorian and Muffin
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
Lean Town:
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
AllThingsPurple and LaunchpadMcQ
Null/Possible Suspect Zone:
Fireblend and weemadarthur
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
I really need to get the Suspects sorted from the Nulls, that's what seems to be hurting me here right now. And if I am Mega Wrong on one or more of my early Town Leans, then fuck me, this is going to be a rough one lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Town:
Sorian and Muffin
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
Lean Town:
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
AllThingsPurple and LaunchpadMcQ
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
Null:
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
Suspect Zone:
Fireblend and weemadarthur
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
That's about where I'm at now.
Sorian and Muffin
Dr. Monkey and Vincent Alexander
Lean Town:
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
AllThingsPurple and LaunchpadMcQ
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
Null:
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
Suspect Zone:
Fireblend and weemadarthur
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
That's about where I'm at now.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Lol at Jman just blurting out that they have a red check on someone. That's so Jman lol.
I would say yes, I think it's a good idea to question how he feels about his Faddy read being that off, I think it would be good to prompt him for a response on that.
Launch has been scum every game I've been in lol.
Also real suspicions on EzekielRage right now, I wondered if anyone would say that in response to my 'but flavour is meaningless right?' post. And he pops up to say 'It's not meaningless in let's say a scum has to find a certain person to kill or lynch.'
Which OK is obviously true, but it's something that'd be at the forefront of scum's mind right now if they've got the objective to take someone out.
That said, given this is a Mario game, wouldn't it be more likely that taking Peach out would be the objective?
Also real suspicions on EzekielRage right now, I wondered if anyone would say that in response to my 'but flavour is meaningless right?' post. And he pops up to say 'It's not meaningless in let's say a scum has to find a certain person to kill or lynch.'
Which OK is obviously true, but it's something that'd be at the forefront of scum's mind right now if they've got the objective to take someone out.
That said, given this is a Mario game, wouldn't it be more likely that taking Peach out would be the objective?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I did make a mental note of that from Zeke as well, yeah. If it's a Scum team thing, then they probably get some kind of bonus or upgraded power if they have a specific kill they're looking for would be my guess.
Not sure what the flavor would be yet, it'll be interesting to see what ATP/Launch flip as to see if there is a theme to draw from for Scum perhaps. They claimed as Donkey/Diddy, but that could easily be fake flavor provided by Natiko if their real flavor is more obviously villainous.
Not sure what the flavor would be yet, it'll be interesting to see what ATP/Launch flip as to see if there is a theme to draw from for Scum perhaps. They claimed as Donkey/Diddy, but that could easily be fake flavor provided by Natiko if their real flavor is more obviously villainous.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah I'm not sure if there's going to be a whole lot to glean from D2 alone.
I think my goal for the night phase will be to do some keyword searches on the thread and see who all was talking about ATP/Launch on D1 and what they said, and also who wasn't talking about ATP/Launch.
I think my goal for the night phase will be to do some keyword searches on the thread and see who all was talking about ATP/Launch on D1 and what they said, and also who wasn't talking about ATP/Launch.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, so Launch and ATP actually were Mafia Bulletproof.
What does this tell us about the game setup?
Well, it tells me that the Mafia has a reason to have a kill protection.
So, there's likely a Town Vig out there somewhere, or a Serial Killer at worst.
Something to keep in mind at least.
I'll hop back in either this evening or tomorrow morning to dig in and figure out where I'm at now.
What does this tell us about the game setup?
Well, it tells me that the Mafia has a reason to have a kill protection.
So, there's likely a Town Vig out there somewhere, or a Serial Killer at worst.
Something to keep in mind at least.
I'll hop back in either this evening or tomorrow morning to dig in and figure out where I'm at now.
Still we've identified one nearly confirmed townie, Hawthorn and jman1954goat, and I think we're both pretty comfortable with The Bear and Sawneeks. I think we can leverage the whole us losing our vote D2 to get a lot of townie cred with others. So if we team up with them I think we're half way there.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Town:
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
Sorian and Muffin
Lean Town:
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
Fireblend and weemadarthur
I'm feeling good enough about the above now that I'm not too interested in pursuing them tomorrow unless something major changes. Fireblend and Wee, especially Wee, looked a lot better on D2, and looking back, I like Wee's Scum read on ATP/Launch from D1, saying she would vote there, doesn't feel like it was a bus or anything, would have waffled more about it if it was I think, but she seemed confident.
Null/Suspect Zone:
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
This is the pile I need to sort through. Which is loaded full of Nulls and Inactives. I really think this is where the rest of Scum is though, just chilling in that pile and being hard to notice. Probably 2 Scum Karts left here. If there is a Neutral, well, they could still be in my Town list above, but I'd rather hunt for Scum right now.
I'll try to finish that read list here before the day starts and work on a pre-typed if I have thoughts I want to get down right away.
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
Sorian and Muffin
Lean Town:
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
Fireblend and weemadarthur
I'm feeling good enough about the above now that I'm not too interested in pursuing them tomorrow unless something major changes. Fireblend and Wee, especially Wee, looked a lot better on D2, and looking back, I like Wee's Scum read on ATP/Launch from D1, saying she would vote there, doesn't feel like it was a bus or anything, would have waffled more about it if it was I think, but she seemed confident.
Null/Suspect Zone:
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
This is the pile I need to sort through. Which is loaded full of Nulls and Inactives. I really think this is where the rest of Scum is though, just chilling in that pile and being hard to notice. Probably 2 Scum Karts left here. If there is a Neutral, well, they could still be in my Town list above, but I'd rather hunt for Scum right now.
I'll try to finish that read list here before the day starts and work on a pre-typed if I have thoughts I want to get down right away.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
So, I think I would call my read list for now something like this:
Town:
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Sorian and Muffin
Lean Town:
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
Null:
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Zone of Uncertainty:
Fireblend and weemadarthur
Scum:
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Sparks and Polter are basically my top Scum reads. Outside of them, things get more uncertain. I can see the case either way for Wee and Fireblend. I think Wee appears much more Townie and it's hard for me to square that against Fireblend, who hasn't played in a while but always seems Scummy to me lol. I ended up thinking Townie thoughts about Salva and Nin after rereading them, so I moved them from Null to Town Leans along with Blarg and LP. Lux and Terra are just inactive, could be inactive Town or inactive Scum, hard to say for now, my gut says Town but I could just be totally wrong.
I've got more in a pre-typed post, but we usually get scolded for copy/pasting posts from private threads to the game thread, so I'm keeping that one separate from this one lol.
Town:
Hawthorn and jman1954goat
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
Zippedpinhead and EzekelRAGE
Sorian and Muffin
Lean Town:
The Bear and Sawneeks
Geno and Terraforce
Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
SalvaPot and nin
Null:
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
Zone of Uncertainty:
Fireblend and weemadarthur
Scum:
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
Sparks and Polter are basically my top Scum reads. Outside of them, things get more uncertain. I can see the case either way for Wee and Fireblend. I think Wee appears much more Townie and it's hard for me to square that against Fireblend, who hasn't played in a while but always seems Scummy to me lol. I ended up thinking Townie thoughts about Salva and Nin after rereading them, so I moved them from Null to Town Leans along with Blarg and LP. Lux and Terra are just inactive, could be inactive Town or inactive Scum, hard to say for now, my gut says Town but I could just be totally wrong.
I've got more in a pre-typed post, but we usually get scolded for copy/pasting posts from private threads to the game thread, so I'm keeping that one separate from this one lol.
Are you sure on EzekelRAGE/Zipped? Them mentioning the whole 'flavour matters if someone's hunting a certain player' had me on guard with them. Not sure I'd put them in Town.
Geno and Terraforce I'm still iffy with after their stunt at the start. I don't think both they and Sorian/Muffin can be town.
The Bear and Sawneeks I'm very happy to put in town.
Geno and Terraforce I'm still iffy with after their stunt at the start. I don't think both they and Sorian/Muffin can be town.
The Bear and Sawneeks I'm very happy to put in town.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm kind of just trying to live in the world where Zeke/Zipped are the Town Doctors for now. So, no, I'm not sure, but it's a possible world and that's the one I'm trying to work with for now. Should we run into a reason to start really doubting the claim, then I'd re-enter that world.
I looked back on Terra and liked some of his D1 posts about ATP/Launch, but he's also known as someone who can and will bus his partners, so idk. It's more of a gut lean for today, where I'd rather pursue other leads before moving them back out of my Town list.
I looked back on Terra and liked some of his D1 posts about ATP/Launch, but he's also known as someone who can and will bus his partners, so idk. It's more of a gut lean for today, where I'd rather pursue other leads before moving them back out of my Town list.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
You should post all of this in the thread tbh, tell Sorian you agree with him about Geno and Terra, see where that goes.
These are the kinds of posts people want to see from you. The reason people jumped on you right away just now is because you just voted for Polter and said you agreed with me and nothing else. They want to see your thought process, but if you only post it in here, they get nothing and then get mad about it.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
That's my take, yeah.
The other choice in my mind is LP/Blarg. But LP would have had to be bussing Zeke/Zipped on D1 though with his vote, and I don't really buy that he would do that.
Otherwise there is still a small chance that Wee/Fire are Scum with the fake Vig claim, but I'm almost all in on the 2 Vigs theory at this point.
Otherwise everyone else has a believable claim on the board and/or is cleared in other ways in my mind.
We'll likely mass claim tomorrow, so if/when it's called for, I'll just go ahead and say we're Vanilla. The claim will likely land us in the PoE because it's just not a strong claim worth defending against others, but I doubt we would get voted out before the other two pairs even with our claim.
Also Wee might just shoot us tonight if she is a Vig, so that might be it for us too lol.
The other choice in my mind is LP/Blarg. But LP would have had to be bussing Zeke/Zipped on D1 though with his vote, and I don't really buy that he would do that.
Otherwise there is still a small chance that Wee/Fire are Scum with the fake Vig claim, but I'm almost all in on the 2 Vigs theory at this point.
Otherwise everyone else has a believable claim on the board and/or is cleared in other ways in my mind.
We'll likely mass claim tomorrow, so if/when it's called for, I'll just go ahead and say we're Vanilla. The claim will likely land us in the PoE because it's just not a strong claim worth defending against others, but I doubt we would get voted out before the other two pairs even with our claim.
Also Wee might just shoot us tonight if she is a Vig, so that might be it for us too lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
No need for self votes. Like i said, I don't think we'd be voted out just for the claim, I just think we'd be on the list. I'd put the Vanilla claim on the list, but unless I was already sure they were Scum, I'd go elsewhere first.
Stu/Vere is almost certainly the vote tomorrow, them or LP/Blarg.
Also you know I'm always picking Chloe ;)