Pair Thread Lancer and their Master
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Hawthorn! Jolly old pal. How’s it going?
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Hello there!! I don't know if we've played together before, but I remember you from some of the past games I read through while I was in my lurking page and I'm excited to play with you :-D
I just got back from a work meeting and saw what happened. I did not think that my "no kill" idea would actually happen! I mean, I meant what I said, but I didn't think it would get any traction, I only really proposed it to get people talking. Still, I feel good about things working out this way, since I think the cases for Zeke and Zipped were pretty suspect-- if we hit mafia it would only be by accident.
What do you think, fairly ok day end or disaster? XD
I just got back from a work meeting and saw what happened. I did not think that my "no kill" idea would actually happen! I mean, I meant what I said, but I didn't think it would get any traction, I only really proposed it to get people talking. Still, I feel good about things working out this way, since I think the cases for Zeke and Zipped were pretty suspect-- if we hit mafia it would only be by accident.
What do you think, fairly ok day end or disaster? XD
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Also curious to hear what you think about the "mixed alignment pair" concept that was brought up a lot. Personally I think it's possible, but there's more to be gained by working as a team early on, even if we later become suspicious of each other.
My power is a double vote. Do you have any boosts for me?
My power is a double vote. Do you have any boosts for me?
I actually completely missed Day end. So I’m probably going to take some heat come tomorrow. I would’ve voted No Kill however.
I also believe that there could be alignment disparities between pairs. It’s something I actually thought about but screw it...I’ll trust you because you’re my lover.
I’m the Ruler (a Ruler? Is there more than 1 idk). I’m essentially a variant of an investigator and can see if someone is a master, servant or neither. I can also motivate which allows for one extra shot.
I also believe that there could be alignment disparities between pairs. It’s something I actually thought about but screw it...I’ll trust you because you’re my lover.
I’m the Ruler (a Ruler? Is there more than 1 idk). I’m essentially a variant of an investigator and can see if someone is a master, servant or neither. I can also motivate which allows for one extra shot.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Ruler is a class. XD So yes there is more than one ruler servant in the series.
IMMA GO READ THE FRONT PAGE.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
lol I did talk about rulers in the "What is fate thingy :p"
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Wait, so are you a servant or a master? It definitely said in the intro that ruler is a servant class... but my pm said you're a master. What gives?
Definitely want to hear what you think of EoD when you get a chance. I feel like I never understand D1.
Also, another thing I was wondering: do you have any thoughts on possible pairs? I have a thought, but I want to hear what you have to say before mentioning it. It might be totally nothing XD
Definitely want to hear what you think of EoD when you get a chance. I feel like I never understand D1.
Also, another thing I was wondering: do you have any thoughts on possible pairs? I have a thought, but I want to hear what you have to say before mentioning it. It might be totally nothing XD
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
I guess the day is starting fairly soon-- I've got to leave for a meeting in about two and a half hours and won't be back until after day start... let me know if you have any thoughts, sorry if I'm nagging you if you're busy! In particular, we won't be able to communicate during the day, so if you have any thoughts for how you're expecting the day to play out, things you want to keep an eye on, let me know. You might be suspicious of me, and I'm not assuming you're town, but I think it's best to work together unless we have reason to think otherwise, right? But let me know if you disagree..
I’m sorry! Yesterday was supposed to be relaxed but ended up getting very hectic. Regarding pairs I haven’t seen anything yet but I will 100% be keeping an eye out for that. I also agree with you that we should team but...of course we can’t do it openly otherwise people might associate you and I together and want it gone.
Also! I did not use investigate last night or...tonight.
I'm a special ruler that is a master. My character's name is Amakusa Shirō Tokisada. I do not have a redirect seal. Only motivate.
It says I am a master...and then says I am a ruler class servant. Take that as you will. Also! Guess your JMan/Salva read was wrong haha
Hawthorn
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Yeah that read was way off base XD There was some post from Salva that made me think about it, no point in digging it up now.
I wish I knew more about Fate. Maybe some servants can also be masters? The master flips so far did say "just a magus" and Loki did seem to confirm your ruler claim, so I'll trust you on that for now, and trust that you do not have a redirect seal. Especially since I have no idea how that would even work on a double vote.
That was a pretty crazy day! Do you have any thoughts on how it played out? IMO the Jman/Fran thing ultimately turned out to be a huge distraction. I'm almost certain that Fran is also town. It meant that we only got into looking at other people in the final 24 hours, so everything was rushed. I ended up defending you as little as possible, because I didn't want to link us yet, but I think I ended up leaving enough hints that probably some people have guessed that we're paired. We should talk about how to address the suspicion on you next day phase... you were the leading alternative to Odin, who was town. Do you have any thoughts on that, or on the rest of this crazy day? :-D
I wish I knew more about Fate. Maybe some servants can also be masters? The master flips so far did say "just a magus" and Loki did seem to confirm your ruler claim, so I'll trust you on that for now, and trust that you do not have a redirect seal. Especially since I have no idea how that would even work on a double vote.
That was a pretty crazy day! Do you have any thoughts on how it played out? IMO the Jman/Fran thing ultimately turned out to be a huge distraction. I'm almost certain that Fran is also town. It meant that we only got into looking at other people in the final 24 hours, so everything was rushed. I ended up defending you as little as possible, because I didn't want to link us yet, but I think I ended up leaving enough hints that probably some people have guessed that we're paired. We should talk about how to address the suspicion on you next day phase... you were the leading alternative to Odin, who was town. Do you have any thoughts on that, or on the rest of this crazy day? :-D
Lucky for me I think the hammer by Zeke is going to get a lot of attention tomorrow. I am honestly wary of Weem the most. I think Zeke could be neutral or just a nuts townie. I don't think he's scum. It's way too obvious.
I am not neutral. I had to reread a couple times to fully comprehend I was town. Which was dumb 'cause I completely overlooked the end of the sentence where it says that winning the Holy Grail War means you're aligned with town.
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
I was in a game recently with Zeke where he made a big thing about wanting to hammer and used that same gif... I think he just likes hammering, but it was weird that he did it like that half an hour before day end. It's not going to get you out of trouble though, IMO, since the narrative will be that if he is mafia he hammered to save you. I agree, though, I think he's probably town.
So, you are trying to win the grail war, according to your flavor? Could you let me know a bit about what your flavor says your character is trying to accomplish? Just paraphrasing, because the info about rulers seems so clear that they are neutral (small n) arbiters. You really can tell me if you're neutral, you know-- I give you my word I won't turn this into a Fran and Jman situation :-D
So, you are trying to win the grail war, according to your flavor? Could you let me know a bit about what your flavor says your character is trying to accomplish? Just paraphrasing, because the info about rulers seems so clear that they are neutral (small n) arbiters. You really can tell me if you're neutral, you know-- I give you my word I won't turn this into a Fran and Jman situation :-D
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Anyway, here's a copy/past of my notes:
Reads:
Fran - probably town, mafia would not do a 1 for 1 trade.
TWE - probably neutral. His class literally has "neutral" in the name. He told me stuff he would not have told me if he was mafia. He feels a little disengaged from the game in a way that makes sense for someone who's doing their own thing... but why won't he tell me? What is his win con?
Zeke - probably town, engaged & posting lots of gifs
Weemad - TWE suspects her. IDK exactly why.
Zipped - probably town due to the thread title thing
Maol - town lean, putting himself forward more than I think he would as mafia.
Leaving out town and neutral leans, my process of elimination leaves:
Natiko
Launchpad
Ephidel
SalvaPot
Stantastic
weemadarthur
HPSauce
FateShirou
I'll divide this into two groups: new people and people I have trouble reading, a.k.a. everybody else. Actually maybe I could just put them all in the group of people I have trouble reading.
My plan for today is to hope that one of these people gets killed, further narrowing down my potential mafia list, then try to do ISOs on the remaining players, starting with those with the lowest post counts.
Reads:
Fran - probably town, mafia would not do a 1 for 1 trade.
TWE - probably neutral. His class literally has "neutral" in the name. He told me stuff he would not have told me if he was mafia. He feels a little disengaged from the game in a way that makes sense for someone who's doing their own thing... but why won't he tell me? What is his win con?
Zeke - probably town, engaged & posting lots of gifs
Weemad - TWE suspects her. IDK exactly why.
Zipped - probably town due to the thread title thing
Maol - town lean, putting himself forward more than I think he would as mafia.
Leaving out town and neutral leans, my process of elimination leaves:
Natiko
Launchpad
Ephidel
SalvaPot
Stantastic
weemadarthur
HPSauce
FateShirou
I'll divide this into two groups: new people and people I have trouble reading, a.k.a. everybody else. Actually maybe I could just put them all in the group of people I have trouble reading.
My plan for today is to hope that one of these people gets killed, further narrowing down my potential mafia list, then try to do ISOs on the remaining players, starting with those with the lowest post counts.
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
I'm going to let you take care of your defense if you get suspected, Danny Phantom, but publicly you'll always be on my town list. If you're up to be voted out at the end of the day, I will use my double vote to save you (/save myself). That will make it pretty clear that we're a pair, but I'm ok with that.
I seriously am not neutral. I’d tell you. I really would. I’m not sure if I can go further into detail with my flavor but in essence, and this might make it even sketchier to cover a neutral ass (if I had one), it says that USUALLY this is a neutral observer but I’ve tweaked some things and I am fighting in the Holy Grail War.
I wish we’d had played games with one another before haha because I legitimately would tel you if I was neutral or not.
I used my investigate on Weem.
The fact that you could’ve been a scum and I told you I’m an investigator early on should prove I’m trustworthy. With weem I’ll know if they’re a master, servant or neither.
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
You seem very sincere-- and I don't want to rely wholly on flavor, since it seems like the mods did things like making Fran assassin class deliberately to mess with those who favor flavor too much. I still think it's possible you're lying to me & are neutral, but we can leave that on the back burner for now. I don't think you're mafia.
This is going to be interesting, because I know your investigation target but you can't tell me your result until tomorrow night. I'm going to watch your interactions with weemad pretty careful. Thank you for sharing the info :-D
This is going to be interesting, because I know your investigation target but you can't tell me your result until tomorrow night. I'm going to watch your interactions with weemad pretty careful. Thank you for sharing the info :-D
Damn. I should’ve been on that Salva vote off...I will probably go tomorrow during the day. I really do think Ephi is scum.
Though...I’m curious. You said you have a double vote. Yet Launch used a double vote today and he used it on a Scum. I now have my doubt about YOU.
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Though...I’m curious. You said you have a double vote. Yet Launch used a double vote today and he used it on a Scum. I now have my doubt about YOU.
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Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
That's interesting, because I have even more doubts about you.
It's obvious that Launch and Salva were partners (it's weird Launch didn't die, but who knows what's going on with that.. we know from the flip Salva was a master).
Their set up was: scum master with only one command seal and an investigative power, servant with a double vote.
Our set up is: master with only one command seal and an investigative power, servant with a double vote.
I feel sure Launch is town. That would not even be good strategy to bus Salva like that. So, both pairs also have a town servant.
Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for them both to have a scum master? And why are you going on the offense right now? Why would I choose the most disprovable of all possible claims to make in my first post of our chat?
It's obvious that Launch and Salva were partners (it's weird Launch didn't die, but who knows what's going on with that.. we know from the flip Salva was a master).
Their set up was: scum master with only one command seal and an investigative power, servant with a double vote.
Our set up is: master with only one command seal and an investigative power, servant with a double vote.
I feel sure Launch is town. That would not even be good strategy to bus Salva like that. So, both pairs also have a town servant.
Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for them both to have a scum master? And why are you going on the offense right now? Why would I choose the most disprovable of all possible claims to make in my first post of our chat?
That’s true. I’m not sure. It was just weird when I saw Launch had a double vote. I had doubts.
Yeah. Very curious as to what the hell this is...
LOL. I'm sorry you got me as a teammate I really am. Whatever comes to my mind I will just post in the thread, I've always been like this and I TRY to stop but it just comes out.
I saw Wee got voted out, thought that I could've been a target of the kill, and then posted my thought process without actually thinking of the WIFOM and ramifications. It wasn't that I necessarily thought it was happening, but it was one of the things I thought of while thinking about all of this...so I instinctively wrote and posted it.
I saw Wee got voted out, thought that I could've been a target of the kill, and then posted my thought process without actually thinking of the WIFOM and ramifications. It wasn't that I necessarily thought it was happening, but it was one of the things I thought of while thinking about all of this...so I instinctively wrote and posted it.
Hawthorn
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No worries!! I could tell that that was pretty much what was happening (I mean, unless you're actually mafia/neutral, which I still think is possible).
Right now I almost feel like there are too many unknowns for me to figure anything out over the night phase. Like, why didn't Salva's partner (almost certainly Launchpad) die??
I can't wait to read all the threads after this game is over.
Right now I almost feel like there are too many unknowns for me to figure anything out over the night phase. Like, why didn't Salva's partner (almost certainly Launchpad) die??
I can't wait to read all the threads after this game is over.
I was thinking about that as well. What merits a vanilla in a bastard game like this? And why didn't Salva's partner not die with them...this is WIFOM, but maybe there's a doctor that saves people from dying with their partners? There are a lot of unknowns even now.
Hawthorn
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Yeah, I can't make head or tails out of it. Fran made it sound like his doctor power is something different-- would a role like your theorizing be too powerful for town on top of Fran? But something stopped Launchpad from dying...
I wonder if the vanilla cop would get a vanilla result on the "just a magus" masters who have only command seals? Bit weird though as they do have powers.. also if he figured that out it would have told him who is a magus, since there aren't any servants without powers that I can see, which is pretty powerful.
I wonder if the vanilla cop would get a vanilla result on the "just a magus" masters who have only command seals? Bit weird though as they do have powers.. also if he figured that out it would have told him who is a magus, since there aren't any servants without powers that I can see, which is pretty powerful.
At this point that’s exactly what I’m expecting.
So Vanilla could have to do with not having any class whatsoever. Cause my targeting ability says Master, Servant or neither. Neither could be neutral or vanilla I’m thinking.
Hawthorn
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I feel like that would be more likely neutral (like you?? kidding!) than vanilla. But yeah the more I think about it, the more Salva's role doesn't make sense & Salva dying without taking anyone down with him makes even less sense. Going to be tough to solve without figuring either of those things out. I think I'll probably stick with HP tomorrow. At first I picked him mainly because I didn't want to vote for you or for Salva at the time, but he's seeming more and more suspicious. Don't want to tunnel though.
Hawthorn
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What if Launchpad is mafia? It would be the ultimate bus, but it would explain why he didn't die with Salva-- could be that they're not even partners & Salva was the master of Weemad and SkyOdin. They could have decided that Salva was getting so much heat that it was better to take him out this way & gain major town cred for one of their own in one fell swoop. It would also explain why we both have a double vote. I don't think it's necessarily the most likely explanation, but it's worth keeping in mind as a possibility.
Hawthorn
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Especially if Salva already used both his shots & they figured they identified masters both times.. they could figure that Salva was bound to get voted out at some point & he'd already used his powers to the best of his ability. A bonus would be attempting to lure out counter-claims from any remaining town watcher/tracker type roles to see if there was anyone left after Weemad.
A problem with this conspiracy theory is: who is Launch's partner if it's not Salva? It can't be a living town person or he wouldn't have gone forward with this plan. It would have to be the other one of Sky/Wee, or he's in a mafia/mafia pair.
I think this theory is plausible. I'm going to suggest it in the thread, but not until after I hear everybody's theories about why nobody died with Salva.
I really hope you're not mafia, after laying this whole idea out for you!
A problem with this conspiracy theory is: who is Launch's partner if it's not Salva? It can't be a living town person or he wouldn't have gone forward with this plan. It would have to be the other one of Sky/Wee, or he's in a mafia/mafia pair.
I think this theory is plausible. I'm going to suggest it in the thread, but not until after I hear everybody's theories about why nobody died with Salva.
I really hope you're not mafia, after laying this whole idea out for you!
I’m curious as to why you think that Launch was Salva’s partner? I was really thinking it was Weem or someone who had died already like Sky.
I want to look more at Stan and Ephi this day phase. I don’t trust Ephi at all.
Hawthorn
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Like for example when Stan asked Launch for a read on Salva, and in response Launch accused Stan of trying to get him to break a rule. Or when I explained why I wasn't voted for you against Salva, and Launch said he agreed but "you can appreciate the position I'm in." Many other examples also. It wasn't just Launch, Salva was hinting that they were partners also.
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