Scum Thread Nightmare Frontier

[malus]

Who do we investigate for copness if we're not using the vanillaizer shot?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Maybe Ephidel? Not on anyone's radar so a decent target for any alignment.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Just putting it in now in case I'm not back by the deadline. Feel free to override.

Investigate: Ephidel

 

[Giant Panda]

Faddy listed like 80% of people as suspicious but I'm not liking how close to the mark he is on us outside of LP.

Action lock is 1 hour. Are we going ahead with killing Faddy?

Perhaps I should give another player a will to prove my town cred if I eventually need to claim?

 

[Giant Panda]

I think checking Alexems will could be a good idea. From a Town perspective, since ATP is in the open a will wouldn't do him much good anyway, so not giving him one shouldn't create too much suspicion on GP.
@Giant Panda do you still have access to the lovers chat? Did Chugg claim unlimited shots?

I still have access. Chugg just said he got the will giving role like he did in a previous game, but he didn't go into specifics.

 

[malus]

Yeah I think we can go ahead and go for Faddy. I'll do the kill again, so you can use your powers.

kill: Faddy
You can still override it if you want.

 

[malus]

That should also put the Town leader role on Sawneeks.

 

[Aeleus]

Commands received

 

[Sawneeks]

I'm also cool with killing Faddy, his ability to sway large groups of people has me worried, not to mention the kill shot.

What's the consensus on turning ATP vanilla? I'm still leaning that way but if we're against it I won't push for it.

 

[Sawneeks]

Faddy listed like 80% of people as suspicious but I'm not liking how close to the mark he is on us outside of LP.

Action lock is 1 hour. Are we going ahead with killing Faddy?

Perhaps I should give another player a will to prove my town cred if I eventually need to claim?

Could always lie and said you tried to give it and aren't sure why it worked. Or that you gave it to whoever died.

I think the chance of framing alexem is too high and way too much fun. I still lean for that

 

[malus]

I think checking Alexems will could be interesting and give us some information on his role.
Who would you grant the will to?

I'm also cool with killing Faddy, his ability to sway large groups of people has me worried, not to mention the kill shot.

What's the consensus on turning ATP vanilla? I'm still leaning that way but if we're against it I won't push for it.

I don't really know. He's obviously not really a threat to us given he green checked you, but it might seem suspicious if nothing happens to him.

 

[malus]

I think vanillaizing ATP would cement your green check even if the power turns out not what ATP advertised.

 

[malus]

But as LP said, he won't be able to claim it as a Town power after that.

 

[Sawneeks]

I think checking Alexems will could be interesting and give us some information on his role.
Who would you grant the will to?


I don't really know. He's obviously not really a threat to us given he green checked you, but it might seem suspicious if nothing happens to him.

Killing Faddy would give some cover to leaving ATP alive since it could be argued scum is more worried about a vig shot than they are a cop. If we kept leaving ATP alone then we would have a problem.

I also don't want him to green check more townies.

 

[Sawneeks]

But as LP said, he won't be able to claim it as a Town power after that.

Which is the downside, yeah. He could claim a variation of his other power and say he's a roleblock cop lol.

 

[Giant Panda]

I don't think we use the vanilla power just yet.

Could always lie and said you tried to give it and aren't sure why it worked. Or that you gave it to whoever died.

I think the chance of framing alexem is too high and way too much fun. I still lean for that

I think checking Alexems will could be interesting and give us some information on his role.
Who would you grant the will to?


I don't really know. He's obviously not really a threat to us given he green checked you, but it might seem suspicious if nothing happens to him.

If I do go the Alexem route I don't think it's too convincing of a lie to say I attempted to give to Faddy tonight. Since he's the landlord and can already night post and he already told us how he plans to use his power he doesn't need a will. If I don't go for Alexem then ATP or my higher town reads like VA/Ambulance make sense.

 

[malus]

Which is the downside, yeah. He could claim a variation of his other power and say he's a roleblock cop lol.

With how many cops we've seen so far, I think that would actually be plausible.

 

[Sawneeks]

but if we're between LP losing part of a fakeclaim vs more green checked townies i'd go for stopping the green checks. there's enough we can use to pull together another claim and LP's actions last phase moved him out of the targeting range of town so we have time to come up with something.

 

[Sawneeks]

I don't think we use the vanilla power just yet.



If I do go the Alexem route I don't think it's too convincing of a lie to say I attempted to give to Faddy tonight. Since he's the landlord and can already night post and he already told us how he plans to use his power he doesn't need a will. If I don't go for Alexem then ATP or my higher town reads like VA/Ambulance make sense.

we could try for a long game of giving a will to ATP and then forging it, we would just need to try and piece together what his role actually is and hope he doesn't reveal his results every day.

 

[malus]

One thing, if we shoot Faddy and he lied about his target, that's pretty much a green check for Blarg.

 

[Sawneeks]

One thing, if we shoot Faddy and he lied about his target, that's pretty much a green check for Blarg.

blarg saying "you'll see my power tonight" is enough of a blarg wifom to make people doubt, i think. but this is also possible.

 

[malus]

we could try for a long game of giving a will to ATP and then forging it, we would just need to try and piece together what his role actually is and hope he doesn't reveal his results every day.

There's really no reason for him not to reveal since he's already in the open.

 

[Sawneeks]

we got 10 minutes left before actions lock.

Panda why do you think we should hold the vanilla shot?

 

[Giant Panda]

grant: Vincent Alexander

I'm open to changing

 

[Giant Panda]

we got 10 minutes left before actions lock.

Panda why do you think we should hold the vanilla shot?

yours and Malus recent posts convinced me it might be worth it. I say go for it if you think it's best

 

[Aeleus]

Command received

 

[Sawneeks]

grant: Vincent Alexander

I'm open to changing

i'm cool with this choice. eventually we will need to figure out a decent lie if we ever forge/check a will.

 

[Sawneeks]

Cleanse: AllThingsPurple

watching ATP tonight will also confirm if this happens so that'll be good.

fingers crossed it works out

 

[Aeleus]

Command Received

 

[Aeleus]

or is it?!?!

 

[Sawneeks]

or is it?!?!

 

[Aeleus]

It is.

 

[Sawneeks]

Ael you are cruel :'(

 

[malus]

What if ATP is a tracker/self watcher and saw you visiting him and concluded since he didn't die you must be Town?

 

[Sawneeks]

now begins my favorite part of being scum; the horrible wait between action lock and day start and all the worry about actions backfiring, kills not working, or even one of us dying.

 

[Sawneeks]

What if ATP is a tracker/self watcher and saw you visiting him and concluded since he didn't die you must be Town?

then

then...

hopefully our vanilla shot takes priority and he gets no results tonight.

 

[Giant Panda]

What if ATP is a tracker/self watcher and saw you visiting him and concluded since he didn't die you must be Town?

That would be a pretty gutsy call. Only 1 out 4/5 scum is killing each night.

 

[Giant Panda]

now begins my favorite part of being scum; the horrible wait between action lock and day start and all the worry about actions backfiring, kills not working, or even one of us dying.

Especially since we have to worry about Faddy's shot!

 

[Aeleus]

@Sawneeks
You have been granted a key!

During the night you can use up the key with USE KEY this will both roleblock you and protect you from faction kills.
---------------
AllThingsPurple was visited by Lone_Prodigy

 

[Sawneeks]

Huh, neat. Thanks key giver. o/

ATP only being visited by LP is good...but makes me worry that Faddy won't die. Means a possible doc (VA??) wasnt on em.

 

[malus]

Maybe VA can't visit the same player 2 nights in a row.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

now begins my favorite part of being scum; the horrible wait between action lock and day start and all the worry about actions backfiring, kills not working, or even one of us dying.

Lol I'm always more nervous when I'm town because I don't want to start a day being dead. At least being scum, I'm doing the killing.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I can always spin the vanilla shot as being directed at a scum read and then being switched.

 

[Sawneeks]

I can always spin the vanilla shot as being directed at a scum read and then being switched.

Hmm, possible but it feels less secure. WIFOM would be you even admitting to the shot when it hits ATP and 'why would scum admit to that' but....

 

[Sawneeks]

@malus you get anything else out of that chat btw?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Is there a result from my cop check?

 

[Aeleus]

Is there a result from my cop check?

You ended up using cleanse instead

 

[Sawneeks]

Alexem - 2-shot Lovers Chat creator
ATP - Cop of some sort. Green checked sneeks.
Blarg - tells faddy he will show him his ability 'tonight'
HP - Mitchell cop?


Our info, not public in thread;
VA is not a cop but can move. Possibly Doc? (was on ATP night 1, not there N2)
Ambulance can sacrifice themselves to stop all NKs
Someone is handing out keys that roleblock + protect the holder.

 

[Giant Panda]

VA the key giver?

 

[Sawneeks]

VA the key giver?

100%. VA was the only one to visit ATP besides me.

also fuck i cant claim hedin's neighbor anymore

 

[Sawneeks]

might claim sleepwalker, aka the anti-tracker power.

 

[Sawneeks]

might claim sleepwalker, aka the anti-tracker power.

gotta change my name though, hedin's PM specifically refers to Mo Harris. shoot

 

[Sawneeks]

Just browsing the wiki i came across a character who is known to come and go from the show, leaving and going where she wants.

Her name is Rainie Cross and I'm hoping no one else has her. Only one I can think of to fit with a sleepwalker.

 

[Giant Panda]

100%. VA was the only one to visit ATP besides me.

also fuck i cant claim hedin's neighbor anymore

Couldn't you also claim to be able to investigate people to see if they are your neighbor?

 

[Sawneeks]

Couldn't you also claim to be able to investigate people to see if they are your neighbor?

don't think I can given how hedin's PM is worded.

You are Pat Evans and are aligned with The East End (TOWN)

Your neighbour and friend Mo Harris has gotten herself lost and you know how she gets, you need to find her quick! You are the Neighbour Cop

During the night phase you may use the command Investigate: <Player> to learn if they are your Lost Neighbour, if they are you'll be entered into a chat with them for the rest of the game.

It specifically names Mo Harris as the Lost Neighbor and paints it as her waiting to be found than her trying to find Pat Evans.

 

[Sawneeks]

Or, hm, I could be Mo Harris still and just be a sleepwalker and i lose that power when hedin finds me? that sound reasonable?

 

[Giant Panda]

Or, hm, I could be Mo Harris still and just be a sleepwalker and i lose that power when hedin finds me? that sound reasonable?

That does mean that ATP might track you again to see if you ever move at night.

 

[Sawneeks]

That does mean that ATP might track you again to see if you ever move at night.

ATP thankfully did become vanilla so we are good there. if some other tracker exists they can see me watch others.

 

[Sawneeks]

Actually, how does this sound;

I'm Mo Harris, a lost neighbor. Though it's a little weird since it seems to function more like a sleepwalker until I would be found by Evans (Hedin) or I happened to randomly bumble in to them. Each night I would randomly visit another player trying to 'find my way home' and if I found Evans, or she found me, I would no longer move around and instead enter into a chat with my neighbor. I hinted at this during the opening of the game and was really sad to see Hedin get removed so early.

 

[Giant Panda]

ATP thankfully did become vanilla so we are good there. if some other tracker exists they can see me watch others.

Duh, that just happened last night lol. I need more sleep.

That seems like a decent claim then.

 

[Sawneeks]

Don't worry man. I've messed things up even worse if sneeks is actually scum.

love ya, ATP <3

 

[Sawneeks]

Alexem - 2-shot Lovers Chat creator (out of shots)
ATP - Tracker. Now Vanilla.
Blarg - 'Bomb List'. Anyone who NKs him and is on his list will die (not sure if instead or dies with him)
HP - Mitchell cop?
Cheshire - Beloved Landlord (1 less vote needed to win landlord)

Ephi - ???
Fate - ???
Sparks - ???
Stu - ???


Our info, not public in thread;
VA is not a cop but can move. Is handing out keys that roleblock + protect the holder.
Ambulance can sacrifice themselves to stop all NKs

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I wonder, since I hinted at it in the game thread, if I can be a cop checker. Lines up with my fake claim and considering the wording of some of the roles I could conceivably get false positives.

N1 visiting VA is fine. Not sure if I should say I visited ATP N2 because that could line up with him losing his power.

Speaking of which, nice how it worked out with the key and vanilla. Depends on what VA does, but he's probably not claiming now.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

You ended up using cleanse instead

Oh yeah

 

[Sawneeks]

Nominate: ATP

 

[malus]

Lol, what a twisty game.

Gonna put this down for now:
Nominate: ATP

 

[Giant Panda]

Can I ask why ATP?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Nominate: Alexem

I'm toying with the idea of killing the landlord every night so we keep talking about town instead of scum. There could be a doctor but since no one visited ATP I think there may not be one. The key may be it for protection but with multiple killing roles and a smaller than expected scum group there has to be more out there.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I think ATP is a good pick since he doesn't suspect us too much. He's currently on VA.

 

[Giant Panda]

Nominate: Alexem

I'm toying with the idea of killing the landlord every night so we keep talking about town instead of scum. There could be a doctor but since no one visited ATP I think there may not be one. The key may be it for protection but with multiple killing roles and a smaller than expected scum group there has to be more out there.

It is strange that no doctor visited ATP last night, but would Aeleus really give you the option to investigate for a doctor in a game without doctors? At least in a non-bastard game? Maybe VA would show up as both a doctor and a roleblock role?

If a true doctor does exist Alexem seems the mostly like protect target tonight as he seems the most town read. He'll need to go soon though.

Nominate: ATP

 

[Aeleus]

Nominations Received

 

[malus]

I think there are not many traditional roles in this game. With how there seem to be a couple of decoy cops, I wouldn't be surprised if the doctor was something unexpected like VAs role as well.

 

[Aeleus]

You cannot use the kill or modify command this night phase.

 

[Sawneeks]

Well, Ambulance is dead so that's that. No NK tonight but thats fine.

And I agree with malus, I don't think we have traditional roles this game. VA may be our only protector unless someone else has a personal BP.

Nominate: Alexem

I'm toying with the idea of killing the landlord every night so we keep talking about town instead of scum. There could be a doctor but since no one visited ATP I think there may not be one. The key may be it for protection but with multiple killing roles and a smaller than expected scum group there has to be more out there.

I picked ATP since he came out and protected me the last phase. Gonna hard defend him when I can so if I die that can be something to point to.

 

[Sawneeks]

also i'd be careful on directly bussing at this stage. We have enough alternatives to where we can save our group for now so we dont need to lead someone to the gallows.

 

[Sawneeks]

As for Sawneeks on my list now---her and Panda are at the bottom of my list, and are where I am least confident. Everyone above them I feel really good about. I put her back on there because I was a fan of the scum hunting and read lists she'd been providing (and I wanna see more of!) but also a 2nd reason that isn't too strong, but I also can't go into detail on today.

yeah if we needed any more push that VA is key giver we have this lol. shame we cant kill tonight but hopefully i planted the idea that the key is bad to use :u

 

[Sawneeks]

9 town v 4 scum i believe

townie today. not NK
8 town vs 4 scum

townie tomorrow + NK
6 vs 4 scum

townie + NK
4 vs 4 and we win

so we really just need to survive today and tomorrow and then we win.

 

[Sawneeks]

* and the following phase. 3 day phases and we win.

 

[malus]

I think it's 10 v 4 now right?

 

[malus]

But it's still 3 day phases.

 

[Giant Panda]

Honestly I kind of just want off this crazy train. If sneeks is scum then I don't think I can bring myself to even read scum chat after this game is over.

If you read this in the future ATP don't feel too bad. Mistakes happen

 

[Sawneeks]

If you read this in the future ATP don't feel too bad. Mistakes happen

^^^

Can't tell you how many times scum had me eating out of their hand in a game. It feels bad but don't let it get to you too much, it's something you can laugh about and make jokes about later. The backstab scars are still their but it's how I learned and tried to get better at the game.

 

[Giant Panda]

There is a possibility someone has a power to turn people vanilla and its all just coincidence.

Pls drop this line of thought and never speak of it again. I'm enjoying this VA/ATP/Sneeks/LP mixup too much.

 

[Sawneeks]

Hmm, think day end will be a little rough for me. hopefully i can make it out OK but i'm not sure if I can.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I think there are enough scummy players that you should be okay. Your claim can't be countered.

 

[malus]

Completely forgot that the watcher power informs the target that they are being watched. Hopefully nobody follows that bit of information further...

 

[Giant Panda]

I forgot about that too. Looks like Blarg figured it out.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I know what's going on and I'm still confused.

 

[Giant Panda]

Do you all think Ephidel is hinting at being another cop role?

 

[Sawneeks]

i'm surprised ATP didn't bring up the watching thing sooner.

also terribly confused at whats happening. mitchell cults? ATP scum leader?

 

[Giant Panda]

It feels like Blarg basically had it solved, but then swerved into cult conspiracies, and then got distracted by ATP.

 

[Sawneeks]

this is why town blarg is the best/scary. he can solve problems fairly accurately but ends up getting distracted by tangents which is great for us.

 

[Sawneeks]

also just in case i forget we can have malus kill blarg if we ever need to. malus being kill immune makes him the best for this job.

 

[Giant Panda]

also just in case i forget we can have malus kill blarg if we ever need to. malus being kill immune makes him the best for this job.

Did Blarg ever post who he added to his list other than Faddy?

 

[Sawneeks]

Did Blarg ever post who he added to his list other than Faddy?

nope!

 

[malus]

Do you all think Ephidel is hinting at being another cop role?

Hasn't she already basically claimed Role-Cop?

 

[Sawneeks]

" When I die, I will disable all roles which watch or track movement "

well, good thing we already know most of the roles out there. shame though if fate dies, i wanted to scare blarg and watch him tonight lol

 

[Giant Panda]

Alexem - 2-shot Lovers Chat creator (out of shots)
ATP - Tracker. Now Vanilla.
Blarg - 'Bomb List'. Anyone who NKs him and is on his list will die (not sure if instead or dies with him)
HP - Mitchell cop?
Cheshire - Beloved Landlord (1 less vote needed to win landlord)
VA - Key Giver
Ephi - THUNDERDOME
Fate - Tracker/Watcher Eraser on death
Malus - Tie Breaker

Sparks - ???
Stu - ???

Out of us GP, Sawneeks, LP haven't claimed.

 

[Sawneeks]

Thanks, panda.

Zeke/Stu worries me because their power is a mystery. Might be a JOAT tied to post count number.
Sparks Im not too woried about.

 

[Sawneeks]

Thinking longterm we keep Blarg, Sparks, and HP around for sure. Blarg is a good chaos driver and Sparks/HP are voting material.

Zeke is a wildcard. I think his aggressive nature would help drive trains but we have to make sure he drives trains away from us. He's also a possible vote train himself because of Stu but I think his argumentative nature might buy him time.

Once we can kill again I think we take out Top Town Alexem followed by keygiver VA. Hoping whoever VA gives a key to next claims it so we know.