Gossip Thread MGS Mafia |Gossip| Night 3

[Natiko]

All the rules of the main thread still apply here.

 

[FateShirou]

 

[FateShirou]

uhh is it just me in here natiko

 

[Zem]

 

[Zem]

Sorry I'm late, brother came around just as the day ended and asked me to fit a new motherboard and CPU in his system

 

[Zem]

You're the third person in here. So far its been Ephidel, ATP and now you. As you can see both are still alive and well, which I think speaks greatly to my hospitality.

 

[Zem]

How this works is I pick a target during the day and we get a chat at night. The chat is only between us and gets deleted at the end of the night. I'm trying to invite as much town as possible and whilst in not too bothered about invite scum in I'd prefer to keep it town. You were one of my top town reads so made sense, Ephi also read you as town but that was night one.

 

[FateShirou]

oh ok we town here
im working on a voting tally
there was alot of voting shifts yesterday three major events
1. kenny claim
2. haw haw claim
3. ver claim

 

[Zem]

Zeke claim as well

 

[FateShirou]

I found zeke's claim did nothing in regards of moving votes around
we saw some big shifts of vokes after kenny, haw , and ver

 

[FateShirou]

just claiming solid snake with no special would seem like something natiko would do...
ugh
how is everyone reading zeke?

 

[Zem]

I can finally sit down and posts some thoughts. Firstly, what a crazy day haha. I thought it would be pretty straightforward when Kenny was looking like going, oh dear. Looking at the vote tool is hilarious.

I'm trying to keep this list updated every day or so, with ATP I reread the whole of day two but no chance I'm doing that for day three.

My feel good they're town list would be:

Monkey
ATP
Ephi
Maol
FateShirou
Jman

Most likely town:

Fanto
Nin
Zeke (claim)
Neki
Vere (claim)

Null

Maol (demoted)
Faddy (demoted)
Leo (demoted)
HP
LP
Stan
Kopite
Zipped
SkyOdin

Likely scum:

Kalor

 

[FateShirou]

I will tell you what my ability is
because its useless if everyone reads me as town

 

[FateShirou]

My ability lets me summon natiko into thread for them to state my alignment
and if i read it correctly i can use my ability as many times as i want

 

[Zem]

Maol has been demoted quite far, shouldn't be in the "likely town" part and is in null

I thought Maol had a bad day three, Faddy is tunneling Zeke which isn't helping, even if he's correct it's not what you say but how you say it and it's kind of easy to skim past Faddy right now, although I get his frustration if he's town and genuinely thinks Zeke is scum.

Leo - Monkey said something jokingly like "Leo have you been recruited" and honestly, that's how it felt like today. The whiplash was insane on him. But he did vote for Kalor which makes me think he's not definitely scum but could be. A lot will depend on how Kalor flips.

Kalor - Bad day three. Reads were not good, the votes were pretty bad especially that one on Fanto, told us wasn't going to role reveal no matter what, which is pretty anti-town if you're about to be voted out. I don't care if you're the cop, there might be someone that can save you that night and if they waste a kill on you that's great for town.

Zeke - The whole thing with him and Faddy is a mess. The claim is fine I think, Solid Snake as vanilla is exactly the type of thing I'd expect from this type of game.

Vere - Probably my biggest scum read at the start of the day, but the mason claim is just not something you make as scum I think. Likely he's Little Gray and his partner is Drebin?

Monkey - Almost certain town, I think what Hawthorn said about the commute and no night kill is probably true. The night kill coming from the non patriots, and Chuggs being on the Patriots means she isn't on any team.

SkyOdin - would probably demote Sky but not sure. Voted Hawthorn only and went hard at the end there to get her voted out

 

[Zem]

My ability lets me summon natiko into thread for them to state my alignment
and if i read it correctly i can use my ability as many times as i want

Into the game thread? Or would he pop up here?

 

[FateShirou]

well game thread lol

 

[Zem]

That's what I thought but would be funny if it was anywhere game related.

What's your flavour? I thought you might be some version of Raiden with the gifs you were using.

I'm Colonel Campbell, town gossip

 

[FateShirou]

im sunny
i already leaked my name when i posted that sunny side egg thing haha

 

[Zem]

Hmm if your ability lets you do it as much as you like, do you think that means there's recruitment going on?

 

[Zem]

im sunny
i already leaked my name when i posted that sunny side egg thing haha

Ah yeah that was it. I remember now!

 

[FateShirou]

Lore wise
all the bosses were recruited in one way or another
it could be that at the start there was 1 person in scum team A
and they are recruiting

 

[FateShirou]

bosses = boss battles

 

[FateShirou]

i dont think its worth specing about that
my gameplan for trmw if i surivie is
to release my vote chart which im building right now
i will post it here in case i die

 

[Zem]

Sounds good!

Interesting theory about recruiting. I feel like there's something more than just two team evils going on but there's absolutely no evidence at all haha

 

[FateShirou]

you think its worth pressuring HP to crack?
they keep saying how good of a role they have and town wont want them to die, and for them to be voted on?

 

[Zem]

He said that? I must have missed that. HP is someone I'm struggling to get a read on, all I really know is he has a bomb on him, or maybe he doesn't and it's all a lie. So to answer your question, yeah some pressure on him would be fine, tbh I think we need to pressure most people that others have a null or scum read on. We're in a position where we could tunnel on Zeke, Kalor, Zipped for the next three days which would be counterproductive and also boring. Today was actually good in that we got quite a lot of info, it's just sorting through it all.

 

[FateShirou]

do we know for sure that ATP is town?

 

[FateShirou]

Before Kenny claim

Kenny:
Maolfunction / Maol (1)
Kalor
SkyOdin
Verelios / Vere
Fanto
Dr. Monkey / Monkey
Leo
Haw Haw

Faddy:
Spark
Zeke

Ephidel
Maol (2)

Kopite
Leo

Vere
Faddy
ATP

Zeke
Faddy(2)

After Kenny claim #2695/Before Haw Haw claim #3507

Kenny:
ATP(1)

FateShirou:
Maol
Verl
Leo
LP



Haw:
FateShirou(1)
HP
Zem
Zeke
ATP(2)
Neki
LP
Doc Mon
Kopite
Leo

Zeke
Faddy
Fanto
Kalor
Jman
Haw
Sparks

Kalor
FateShirou(2)
Nin
Ephidel

After Haw claim #3507/Before Ver claim #3738

Haw:
Fanto
Sparks
Jman
Sky
ATP (1)
HP
Zipped

Leo:
Maol

Ver:
ATP(2)
Zem
Fanto
FateShirou
Fanto
Leo
Maol
Doc Monkey
Zipped
Kalor
HawHaw
ATP(3)


Zeke
Sparks
FateShirou

After Ver claim #3738

Haw (12 votes)
Maol (2)
Kalor
Vere(1)
Fanto
Sparks
Zipped (1)

Kalor (10 votes)
Doc Monkey
FateShirou
Nin (2)
ATP
Ver(2)
HawHaw
Zem
Faddy
HP
Leo
Zipped (2)

Vere
Nin(1)
Maol (1)

 

[FateShirou]

let me know if thats worth posting
the numbers mean where they started, so 1 = first vote in that period, 2 = next, etc

 

[Zem]

do we know for sure that ATP is town?

Not 100% but when I had a chat with him it very much came across as town

 

[FateShirou]

ugh messed up the numbers
After Ver claim #3738

Haw (12 votes)
Maol (2)
Kalor
Vere(2)
Fanto
Sparks
Zipped (2)

Kalor (10 votes)
Doc Monkey
FateShirou
Nin (2)
ATP
Ver(1)
HawHaw
Zem
Faddy
HP
Leo
Zipped (1)

Vere
Nin(1)
Maol (1)

 

[FateShirou]

so
Zipped and ver changed their votes to end up on haw, during the end of the day

 

[FateShirou]

was it fanto who was doing the role spec that haw could be scum role?

 

[Zem]

Maol, Kalor, Zipped come out of that day with some bad votes it looks like. Leo too but that vote on Kalor at the end will be decided on whatever Kalor flips, if Town then I think Leo is scum for sure.

 

[Zem]

was it fanto who was doing the role spec that haw could be scum role?

A little, but it was SkyOdin that really pushed that. I don't think it was the worst theory ever, but the way Sky came in quite pushy could mean something.

 

[FateShirou]

A little, but it was SkyOdin that really pushed that. I don't think it was the worst theory ever, but the way Sky came in quite pushy could mean something.

I will look into sky trmw
im going to sleep on this
im not happy about losing haw haw

 

[Zem]

These votes are interesting, I think we learn so much from a Kalor flip, kind of hope if we do have another town killing role they just kill Kalor tonight so we can see

 

[FateShirou]

We will see what happens
IDK but what do you feel about the people who say this is how town kalor plays?

 

[Zem]

I've no idea, can't say I remember them from reading other games. In this game there's just so much stuff that comes across as scummy. Especially today I think was the worst, pretty much all over the place with votes, reasoning, no role reveal (not that he didn't do it, but that he said he never would), scum/town lists. If he's not scum then could be neutral. I don't feel townie about him at all.

 

[Zem]

I did think that about Hawthorn though. If Kalor is town then we might be screwed

 

[FateShirou]

wether we as town win or lose, i am very happy about how active we are and analyzing posts
it is what it is if kalor comes out as town, but thats why we should be looking into leo, and hp trmw
as well as zipped and vel
vel could be a neutral role

 

[Zem]

Yeah today was really good in that aspect. Looked like Kenny could go early but people were patient.

HP has the bomb and Leo has fox die, so both will be in the sights after not dying. Zipped too for that hammer. I think Zeke will come into it again and maybe Vere too. I'll be surprised if Kalor isn't the vote though unless he does role reveal and it's believable.

I just struggle to believe there's no scum between Kenny, Vere, Zeke, Kalor and Hawthorn.

 

[Zem]

Current state of play. So 12 players that are null to scum read. 9 players that are town or likely town.

Assume 3 scum on each team, that leaves 5 scum and 2-3 more neutrals. Your ability does make me think there's a recruitment thing / cult thing going on maybe. Since you can use it as many times as you like, it feels like an ability to prove you haven't joined a cult / scum team. If Kalor is scum then Leo's vote on him makes more sense if he's been recruited, that flip flop from him looks so dodgy.

 

[FateShirou]

I will take a look at zipped and leo before day begins, if i find anything i will post it here

 

[Zem]

I'm going to take a look at SkyOdin. I feel that if Kalor is scum then it's likely Sky is on his team, but need to read back to remind myself how it went.

 

[Zem]

I just had a thought where Kalor is the main cultist and zipped and sky had to get more pushy because of he dies so do they. But there's like no evidence really for a cult right now haha. Do you think it's a good idea to use your ability tomorrow and see what people think? Or worth waiting another day or two?

 

[FateShirou]

If i get votes on me i will use it
do you think i should use it without pressure haha
i was trying to get maol,leo and vere to pressure me to use it but they never did

 

[Zem]

I'm not sure. On one hand using it now ensures you don't get recruited if there is a cult because you'd be too risky. Scum unlikely to kill you as they're after more powerful roles. But it could be useful to hide to see if people do push you.

 

[FateShirou]

Leo is so strange
how are they calling haw a town leader

 

[FateShirou]

on the other hand this is how leo played during eastenders
do you think maol is a cop role?

 

[FateShirou]

Kalor has to be scum
their posting seems like they are afraid to claim because they are scum and wont be able to defend a fake claim

 

[FateShirou]

ur 20mins away from lynch
and u post this

Metal Gear Solid Mafia Redux |OT| I'll Die After I Kill You

I don’t want to lean on flavor for my logic, but Liquid Snake and company saw themselves as Big Boss’s successors at the very least. I haven’t played Portable Ops of MGSV yet, so I don’t remember Big Boss being one of the Patriots.

www.resetera.com

 

[FateShirou]

Theres no way im not going to start day 4 without pressuring HP and kalor
no way

 

[Zem]

Kalor has to be scum
their posting seems like they are afraid to claim because they are scum and wont be able to defend a fake claim

Yeah that's my thinking too for that.

 

[Zem]

on the other hand this is how leo played during eastenders
do you think maol is a cop role?

My night one theory was Maol was the cop, based off Chuggs probably blocking Jman and then seeing Maol visiting him. But the last two days I've softened on that a lot, he might just be trying to not look super town so scum don't kill him if they think he can be voted out, but I'm really not sure on him now. On day two he said something like "I'm sure Kenny is scum" which I thought might be a hint he investigated him, but then Kenny was actually town.

 

[FateShirou]

I think a statment like that should have been made in their chat, and not in thread
they could be setting up so maol could be read as town

a maol push day 4 wont be bad either

 

[Zem]

Just look at these posts in the last hour from Kalor

https://www.resetera.com/search/10231477/

If they're town, then that's just rubbish isn't it?

" I guess all I can say at this point is, what information do you get out of my lynch."

 

[FateShirou]

yea it is
alright
so
Kalor, HP and maol for trmw?
I dont think there is a point in pressuring zipped too much...until they start posting more

 

[Zem]

Sky's posts go from "I'm not too trusting in Hawthorn's role reveal"

Then Kalor catches up in votes

to "We must vote out Hawthorn she is scum!"

https://www.resetera.com/search/10231642/

"Morning everyone, I just got caught up. On first glance, Hawthorne’s role sounds like town, but something about it is bothering me on second thought. My gut is really bothering me about. I’m skeptical that it is a town role."

"Okay, what the hell, I step away for a couple hours and now Kalor is tied with Hawthorn? We should be lynching Hawthorn. I am getting high blood pressure from watching town talk themselves out of lynching scum (Hawthorn)."

Doesn't feel genuine.

 

[Zem]

yea it is
alright
so
Kalor, HP and maol for trmw?
I dont think there is a point in pressuring zipped too much...until they start posting more

I'll take a look at HP, what was it about him?

 

[FateShirou]

I'll take a look at HP, what was it about him?

isnt doing anything
always says things like "i dont know"
made that i dont scum hunt post
could this be scum hp just not wanting to say anything?

 

[FateShirou]

yea ok
i remember sky
they made alot posts spec about haw's alignment based on favour and lore

 

[Zem]

isnt doing anything
always says things like "i dont know"
made that i dont scum hunt post
could this be scum hp just not wanting to say anything?

Yeah reading his posts now, the stuff about "I don't scum hunt" is pretty funny but also weird.

"The bomb claim is true. You'll regret it if you let me get blown up I assure you."

Hmm.

 

[FateShirou]

they keep saying how good of a role they have and town wont want them to die, and for them to be voted on?

"The bomb claim is true. You'll regret it if you let me get blown up I assure you."

yea thats the post i was ref there

 

[Zem]

yea ok
i remember sky
they made alot posts spec about haw's alignment based on favour and lore

I'm not too worried about the flavour stuff, but the way he went from zero to a hundred once the votes started catching up is suspect. There's a bit of panic behind it.

I think Kalor has to go tomorrow just so we get info. Because if Kalor is scum then I think it gets much easier, if he's town then it gets much much harder.

 

[FateShirou]

f he's town then it gets much much harder.

if it happens it happens
we should get them to claim
and they probably will

even if they are scum, they must see the writting on the wall now

 

[Zem]

Yeah, I'm sure they've been working on a fake claim overnight if they are scum. At this point though it has to be some top tier claim that can be proven.

 

[Zem]

The thing what made me look at Leo yesterday was stuff around the Zeke reveal

"I don't agree with Zem cause I think it's very much possible Solid Snake could be on either scum team, but to be fair, Ty was Raiden, not Tony Hawk. There are some very specific and weird references so far but nothing that wasn't MGS."

Not the disagreeing with me part! But the idea that Solid Snake would be scum, and missing the Ty role name completely. Is he trying to keep Zeke in the conversation? There was also some other stuff about the reveal that were a bit strange.

Saying that though, the rest of his posts seem OK, he's trying to get us to put more pressure on low posters which I think is good.

 

[Zem]

If there are two teams then I think it goes like this based off voting

Kalor is not on the same team as Leo or HP

Could be Kalor + Kopite + Sparks

Chuggs + nin / fanto / stan / Leo / HP

LP, Maol, Zeke, Zipped, Sky could be either team

 

[Zem]

Faddy's votes are pretty good if Kalor is scum. Got a decent timed vote on Chuggs and then on Kalor over Hawthorn. Which would mean he's in neither team.

 

[Zem]

People with good votes (i.e. votes on Chuggs pre reveal + Kalor yesterday)

Ephi
Monkey
ATP
Faddy
HP (remove him from the list above)

 

[Zem]

With those votes in mind I've updated this. I think our scum are in those Players Left. Someone like Faddy, Ephi, Neki, HP could be neutral but they've been more pro town than the rest of the players.

 

[FateShirou]

Alright, those are some good posts zem
I agree with everything
I think we should start with Kalor, Sky, Leo and Hp trmw
and see if Zipped is willing to talk
and lets track the voting and reads of Fanto/Maol
Sparks and Nin are oddballs but we can get reads out of them

Anything else you want out of me?

 

[FateShirou]

I'm not going to do any team specing this earlier
that sounds way too complicated with the amount of interactions

 

[FateShirou]

If you feel like i should use my ability
just vote for me, and ask me what i am doing
that will be the sign

 

[Zem]

Alright, those are some good posts zem
I agree with everything
I think we should start with Kalor, Sky, Leo and Hp trmw
and see if Zipped is willing to talk
and lets track the voting and reads of Fanto/Maol
Sparks and Nin are oddballs but we can get reads out of them

Anything else you want out of me?

Yeah those sound like good targets to me. I'd like to get more out of Nin than him just responding to Stan all the time. And getting something out of Sparks seems tough but worth a try!

I'm gonna keep an eye on the votes, I think that's going to be one of the best ways of sorting people if there are two teams.

 

[Zem]

If you feel like i should use my ability
just vote for me, and ask me what i am doing
that will be the sign

haha I like this, I'll keep it in mind!

 

[FateShirou]

last questions before the night ends (i got some work to do still :sweat: )

1) did ephidel mention anything about sus people or give some info

2) how confident are you in ATP?

 

[FateShirou]

Asked natido for clarifcation on my ability usage since it wasnt in the role, its only once
i can use the ability just once

 

[Zem]

last questions before the night ends (i got some work to do still :sweat: )

1) did ephidel mention anything about sus people or give some info

2) how confident are you in ATP?

Ephidel was quite cagey. She linked me a thread to an old game where someone could invite people each night (was 3 or 4 people by the end) and then he set them all on fire haha. So she didn't give much away. She said you and Neki she reads as town because she felt she can read you both pretty well. I might invite her again since now I think she'll be more open since the people I've invited are still alive.

I know ATP's role, or at least what he says it is, and it makes sense for town. And just general chat in here backed that up, so I'm pretty confident but not 100% certain of course.

Asked natido for clarifcation on my ability usage since it wasnt in the role, its only once
i can use the ability just once

I'm glad, means I can put that idea of recruitment / cult in the bin until we actually see some evidence. Worth holding off using it until / if you get some votes as that could be good info.

Nice chatting with you, let's hope we both survive!

 

[FateShirou]

Nice chatting with you, let's hope we both survive!