Bracket Towers

[Leo]

*vig

 

[Neki]

Who came out looking bad at EoD based on these votes? turmoil moves out of self-preservation. I moved because I believe Bojack's ciam. Fred moves from turmoil to Fando to prevent any last minute ties.

Who is left on the turmoil train that is alive: Feign, Zipped, Maol.

I have no idea how pure this train is. Zipped is a non factor and Maol wanted to go you and Feign remains an enigma.

 

[Neki]

Hedin/EC really not cooperating is not helping town at this point either. Maybe everyone is a neutral lol.

 

[Leo]

It's really hard to say now :( if the vote had ended between bojack x Fando we would have some juicy info now, but the disbanding to turm kinda messed everything up.

The player I'm trying to get a read on is Feign, he drove the turm wagon. If he's scummates with bojack, he knew having the wagons like that was really bad, so that's why he wanted to shake everything up. But he could just be town and really think turm is scum, he had been scum reading him since the beginning of D2.

Looking at the Fando votes, there's probably scum between Hobo, Bojack, turm and Fate.

Next day it's probably gonna be between bojack, turm and me, so we should get some useful info.

 

[Leo]

Hedin/EC really not cooperating is not helping town at this point either. Maybe everyone is a neutral lol.

I think hedin has been contributing, i just don't know if he's town or scum lol

EC is the one who doesn't seem to be helping either town or scum, but if he's a neutral he's being too obvious. We don't have any meta on him, so it's hard to tell if that's just how he plays.

 

[Neki]

I think we can conclude the turmoil train is pretty pure with 3 confirmed townies on it lol

 

[Leo]

I think we can conclude the turmoil train is pretty pure with 3 confirmed townies on it lol

Yeah, we just don't know if it's right or not XD

 

[Neki]

I mean would scum!fate go on turmoil? I feel like this is the same line of reasoning they tried using on you. Scum!leo going hard on the obvious target. Turmoil is the obvious target today and anyone can easily make a case for him.

 

[Neki]

Losing Feign/Neeks in one day hurts though. I mean at least we know all of Feign's thoughts were genuine at this point

 

[Neki]

Zipped is the other option, I don't see scum!zipped placing a vote and leaving it on scum!turmoil.

 

[Leo]

Yeah, I'm not convinced on turm, I'm null on him. It's not like the Fando train happened as resistance to turm, it was the opposite, the turm train was town trying not to make Fando happen. The doesn't tell us much about where scum was yesterday.

 

[Neki]

What are the good votes today then? I don't think we ever go maol/bojack even though their alignment is still up in the air. If you go after Maol again with Sneeks/Feign dead it looks hella scummy, especially if he flips town. This is just awkward because maol is still a big question mark. We can look off wagon on razmos and there is still lots of suspects.

 

[Leo]

What are the good votes today then? I don't think we ever go maol/bojack even though their alignment is still up in the air. If you go after Maol again with Sneeks/Feign dead it looks hella scummy, especially if he flips town. This is just awkward because maol is still a big question mark. We can look off wagon on razmos and there is still lots of suspects.

I don't see maol being viable anytime soon. At this point I'm hoping he really is town, because if he's scum i doubt we will be able to catch him. I tried yesterday and all I could get was half the game scum reading me.

All i have for now is looking at Fando's train. Want to see more pressure on Fate and Hobo, and am cool with flipping bojack or turm.

 

[Neki]

I have a crazy theory that turmoil had a day time power that killed anyone that voted on him as a one shot. It could explain why he wanted people to move off of him so bad. Is that a possible power in mafia? lol

 

[Neki]

Town:
Neki
Leo
Kold
Zeke
Hedin
Malus

Null:
Bojack
LP
Maol
Fate
Hobo

Neutral(?)
EC
Zipped

Scum:
Turmoil

Zipped/EC aren't teamed
Hedin/turmoil aren't teamed
Hedin/Maol aren't teamed
Maol/Bojack aren't teamed (would be weird to me at least)

dunno everyone is just null to me right now

 

[Leo]

I have a crazy theory that turmoil had a day time power that killed anyone that voted on him as a one shot. It could explain why he wanted people to move off of him so bad. Is that a possible power in mafia? lol

Like, randomly killing someone that was on his vote list at the end of the day?

It's not an existing role that i know of, but the designers can create roles too. I just don't know if that would be a thing in a normal game.

I that case you mean he would be town, right?

 

[Leo]

Town:
Neki
Leo
Kold
Zeke
Hedin
Malus

Null:
Bojack
LP
Maol
Fate
Hobo

Neutral(?)
EC
Zipped

Scum:
Turmoil

Zipped/EC aren't teamed
Hedin/turmoil aren't teamed
Hedin/Maol aren't teamed
Maol/Bojack aren't teamed (would be weird to me at least)

dunno everyone is just null to me right now

Agree for the most part, mine is looking like this:

Town:
Neki
Leo
Malus
Kold

Null:
EC
Hobo
Turm
Zipped
Hedin
Maol
Bojack

Scum:
Fate
LP

There's a big question mark on that list that is Zeke. I was being genuine yesterday when I said if maol.flipped.town the first person I'd reread would be Zeke. In my current perspective of the game, he's town, but i have to consider the possibility that I'm wrong about the general scenario, in which case my scum reads would be town and Zeke would be mafia.

 

[Neki]

I found a role in the old Transistor that matches up somewhat well with what happened to Neeks. A one shot kill that converts their factional kill into a strong kill that happens at the next of EoD.

 

[Neki]

Nothing concrete but at least there is precedent for something similar

 

[Neki]

Like, randomly killing someone that was on his vote list at the end of the day?

It's not an existing role that i know of, but the designers can create roles too. I just don't know if that would be a thing in a normal game.

I that case you mean he would be town, right?

I mean Fanto had an ability to place a vote bomb on herself when she was ejected, but that was role madness. I think it's probably more in line with what I just looked up. Him asking for them to move votes is strang though.

 

[Leo]

I found a role in the old Transistor that matches up somewhat well with what happened to Neeks. A one shot kill that converts their factional kill into a strong kill that happens at the next of EoD.

That makes a lot of sense. If scum had that power, they would def use it at sneeks yesterday.

 

[Neki]

Flipping the low activity users besides LP just doesn't seem useful to me. We flip Zipped/EC and how much info do we get from their flips? They also don't contribute much as town so it's really keeping them alive is pretty meh as well. I'd like to see if maol actually does solving because the pressure has let on him.

 

[Leo]

Flipping the low activity users besides LP just doesn't seem useful to me. We flip Zipped/EC and how much info do we get from their flips? They also don't contribute much as town so it's really keeping them alive is pretty meh as well. I'd like to see if maol actually does solving because the pressure has let on him.

And that's how scum manages to lay low lol but i agree, it can't be helped. Some people won't give you anything no matter how much you press them, and there will always be someone there looking scummy or whose flip looks more promising.

 

[Neki]

I mean I think it's lame but it always happens, unless we start shooting low activity players on day 1 it's always going to be a meta lol.

 

[Leo]

I don't think turm is going to flip scum, honestly. I'd rather see bojack go today.

I won't be the person to defend him because there's a lot of suspicions on me already, and I was called out for moving from him yesterday.

 

[Neki]

If we wanted to flip him why didn't we do it yesterday? Why was there the competing train on turmoil lol

 

[Leo]

If turm turns out to be scum okay, but if he isn't, that train yesterday messed up everything. It mudded all the info we would get and now the game is stale until we flip turm

 

[Neki]

I mean this game is a showcase of really scummy town play. Maol and LP are more active at least but I'm hesitant to trust them but at least they're writing stuff. It's like town takes turns each day phase to ghost which is terrible from an overall town perspective.

I don't think we can avoid flipping turm, if he is town then I don't even know, we go back to hobo or bojack? We're running low on options.

 

[Neki]

Got no idea where to vote this today. Zeke is really making me consider Bojack again.

 

[Leo]

Maol is my ideal flip today, but it isn't happening, so Bojack is the next best thing. There's a lot of info there after he was one of the top wagons yesterday, and i still think he could flip scum or neutral with that claim.

 

[Leo]

Here I go again in my tunnel, but maol is all over the place today. He wants us to looks for options and prod people, i look for options and prod people and he thinks it's scummy, then he proceeded to say i should be looking for options and prodding people.

He is creating this narrative he's saving town of the impeding doom of turboing turm and be left with no info, but no one is really considering it and i wouldn't even be surprised if turm survives the day, so that yells busywork for me.

It's odd why he voted turm yesterday and is so contrary to the idea of flipping him today.

 

[Neki]

I mean if bojack flips scum then I feel much better about maol. Even flipping neutral seems okay. If bojack flips town though then yeah I'm extremely unsure of maol at this point. I'm not sure where we go if we flip turm because there is no a lot of resistance, everyone is saying they're okay with it and he's ghosted the thread. As scum or defeated town it's not great either. We're getting a lot of town play that is not helpful to say the least. The competing wagons are just not materializing at this point.

It's a tough predicament.

 

[Leo]

Do you see that correlation between maol / bojack because they behaved the same on D1 eod or there is something else?

 

[Neki]

Most it of it is from D1 yes. I think it'd be weird for both of them to be on the same team and react in the same negative way. I personally think it's more likely bojack was looking for someone to re-affirm his feelings so he'd come off less scummy so he attached onto maol. Making the same conclusion then quoting maol, it feels like a newer scum player tell to me. It could also be a town tell but who knows. Maol's reasoning makes more sense in line for someone who was tunneling on day 1 since he really wanted Malus out. So that's why I thought he was more likely to be scum than maol at that point.

If maol is scum though then I'm just gonna feel dumb but I think we should have resolved it when sneeks/feign were alive on day 2 because sneeks was confirmed. That was the only day a real push would have worked. Me or you can't really go after him now without appearing scummy since I've been on two bad wagons and you're getting scum read for going after him.

 

[Leo]

Yeah, I'm not gonna go after maol anymore, it's not feasible for me. Hopefully flipping bojack will give us more clarity on him.

For what is worth, i like my exchanges with him, despite contradicting himself it doesn't feel like calculated scum play and i also think he's listening to what I say. When scum shades a town player, in my experience, they will try to gaslighting you, ignoring what you say and putting words in your mouth, and i don't get that energy from maol.

 

[Neki]

I also noticed scum also tend to skirt issues or selectively reply to things that might incriminate them. I remember asking about partners in MGS and both the scum I ended up asking never replied or got back to me. Given this was late game but I need to be more weary when scum choose to miss or ignore very specific posts.

 

[Leo]

They do that, yeah. I haven't picked up something like that from anyone yet, though.

LP has been citing Feign a lot, like "Feign said this", "Feign said that". Feign was town, he didn't know who scum is. It sounds a bit weird coming from an experienced player like LP, could be a way for scum to justify shading the players.

 

[Neki]

I mean I kinda understand, I wish I knew Feign's intention for not yeeting out Maol day 2.

Turm completely disappeared from the thread and refuses to come back. Even if we don't yeet him today, is he really going to contribute anything at this point? Feels like another EC situation.

 

[Leo]

If turm doesn't meet the post minimum, he will be replaced eventually. If he isn't voted out today i think he will come back, but if he doesn't, we will get a replacement anyway and we might be able to get a new perspective from them.

 

[Leo]

I'm thinking i will until 3 or 2 hours before eod and see if turm is getting any resistance at all. If he isn't, I think I will try to start a train on bojack to see what happens.

Scum!Turm and his mates didn't need to throw the towel today, there was enough of a chance that me or bojack could be voted out for them to try and put up a fight, so i think if there isn't any resistance, turm is just town.

 

[Neki]

I mean the way turmoil is playing this is similar to how Monkey played in MGS when she did a fake red check on Vere in MGS. Apathetic and deattached in hopes that people feel pity. I'm not sure it was NAI but this has happened before for scum. Mafia killing of all the town on the turm vote really made him look bad.

If you want to try this I won't stop you but you're certainly going to get scum read for it lol

 

[Neki]

I mean at this point I don't see how we don't go either turmoil -> bojack or bojack -> turmoi lol

 

[Neki]

I do think I'd feel better about flipping bojack first so I can better read maol

 

[Neki]

and losing the vig could suck but if scum influences him to shoot you then it's even worse. A new player having vig is risky.

 

[Neki]

god we should have just voted him out yesterday lol

 

[Leo]

I mean at this point I don't see how we don't go either turmoil -> bojack or bojack -> turmoi lol

Because it never happens planned like that, sometime when you have the opportunity to flip someone you have to take it or the momentum will fade.

 

[Leo]

god we should have just voted him out yesterday lol

I think so too.

 

[Leo]

Inb4 people start screaming "this bojack trains out of nowhere is so scummy" expect it's not out of nowhere and has been coming for two days now.

Flipping turm with zero resistance now won't gives us any info, i don't care if people will scum read me for this, just add it to the list...

 

[Leo]

*Except

 

[Neki]

where was everyone when turm was one away from turbo lol

 

[Neki]

everyone shows up once we're no longer 1 away from turbo

 

[Leo]

Right. That silence wasn't looking good.

I'm almost wishing turm dies today and flips town just for the funsies. I'd have a good time next day running it in.

 

[Leo]

*Rubbing

 

[Neki]

The way maol is playing today if he is scum he has me fooled good

 

[Leo]

Lol i think maol is doing it just to piss off Fate

 

[Leo]

Turn will flip town

 

[Leo]

Oh shit lol

Guess that's it for us, very unlikely i will survive tomorrow lol but at least looks like town is going to win the game

 

[Neki]

Nah we look bad but we'll just have to claim tomorrow. I think it's fine. The longer we had our claim the better it was and if we have to do it tomorrow then it puts pressure on the other off wagon people like LP and EC.

 

[Neki]

Honestly it just seems calculated at this point that turmoil told his teammates not to do anything. I'd be worried about people who didn't seem to care about the vote.

 

[Leo]

Yeah, you're right. If it looks like I'm going out, we could try have you green check me, if it doesn't work, we can just fully claim and hope scum won't kill us the next day (Sneeks is dead and i don't think there's another doctor in the game, but who knows).

Scum is probably down to two people now, town will know they wouldn't fake claim as lovers, too risky.

 

[Neki]

My only problem with green check is the mafia meta for ERA is they don't like real role cops. They usually do some weird conditional one or flavour role cops or PR role cops. It also might lure out the real cop which could be bad? Do you think the scum team has a godfather though?

They'll also ask me for flavour and role name and my conditionals on it and if I flub it it's going to come off as dishonest.

 

[Leo]

I have to look again at all of the votes since D1, but from the top of my head I can say LP is looking like he's scum.

Besides what I had been reading him for, he was the one that started the bojack train today. I would also look at Hedin/Ambulance, they look bad now.

Fate probably isn't scum, and Zeke still stands town for me, he was the one who laid the case on turm better on D2 and has voted on turm since early today. Could be a bus, all things considered, but i don't think so.

I think it's looks more or less like this now:

Town:
Neki
Leo
nin/malus
Zeke
Fate
Kold

Null:
Zipped
EC
Hobo
Maol
Bojack

Scum:
LP
Hedin/Ambulance

 

[Neki]

Like me having to lie about the flavour and the role name and how conditional it seems like just asking for it to get picked apart in my opinion.

 

[Leo]

God, I've been wrong about so much in this game, i hope I can guess at least one scum right lol

 

[Neki]

Was there any way turmoil and hedin could be teamed? Based on what they were posting it didn't seem likely unless hedin really wanted to set up the early bus. You don't think it's more likely Hobo is Turmoil's teammate?

 

[Neki]

So far both scum we've gotten out were not on the Razmos train. I don't know if they did a good job of hiding there honestly. I honestly do believe they got caught offguard just like how they almost got caught offguard with the turmoil train.

 

[Neki]

Maol's vote on turmoil seems much more pure now too but maybe he planned it but I am starting to lean more town at this point for him

 

[Leo]

My only problem with green check is the mafia meta for ERA is they don't like real role cops. They usually do some weird conditional one or flavour role cops or PR role cops. It also might lure out the real cop which could be bad? Do you think the scum team has a godfather though?

They'll also ask me for flavour and role name and my conditionals on it and if I flub it it's going to come off as dishonest.

If you only say you have a green check, no one will ask you anything because that would be role fishing, if they do you can just say you won't say it. Saying you just have a green check also won't get into the specifics of the role, could be any kind of cop.

I doubt the real coo would out themselves, unless maybe if it's a new player. Otherwise they will probably just say they don't believe the claim.

But yeah, we can just claim lovers anyway. But we have to keep in mind we will probably die the next night, cause the doctor is dead. It's a matter of assessing what hurts town less.

 

[Neki]

What if turmoil and bojack are both scum? that'd be funny as hell

 

[Neki]

I think it depends on how much heat you or me have I guess. Everyone has been eager to flip you, especially Fate and Bojack.

 

[Leo]

Was there any way turmoil and hedin could be teamed? Based on what they were posting it didn't seem likely unless hedin really wanted to set up the early bus. You don't think it's more likely Hobo is Turmoil's teammate?

Hedin's vote on turm was pretty early, and would align with the scum team deciding to bus him. Ambulance hammering was also easy town cred.

Before today, Hedin wasn't ever in any of the confirmed scum. D2 he was on mail the whole day, even when it was obvious his train wasn't going anywhere. If he was actually sus on them, he could have moved there by eod, but he didn't.

Also it might be nothing, but when you mentioned the possibility of scum having a godfather i reminded Hedin said on D2 Raz was a godfather and he wasn't:

I wouldn't put it past there being one on there as a bus but they would want to keep their godfather and that would be something that would have to be examined more at the end game.

You are correct. Not sure where I plucked that from

Raz was a rolecop, it was so random to just take godfather our of nowhere.

Looks an awful lot like a slip looking back, maybe scum has a godfather and he had that on his mind.

 

[Neki]

Town:
Neki
Leo
nin/malus
Zeke
Kold
Zipped
Maol

Null:
Hedin/Ambulance
Fate

Scum:
Hobo
Bojack
EC

I think Zipped came out much better since he was on turmoil for 2 days. Turmoil also asking EC and Zipped to move votes is kinda weird now. Hobo and Razmos not stacking on Zipped day 1 might be a result of them not wanting to go on the same vote and look sus. EC switching votes late is kinda weird as he has been trying to stay in the shadows and he kinda came out in the light for no reason.

 

[Leo]

Why hobo? I admit i haven't been paying much attention to him, i believed his explanation for voting Fando yesterday and didn't read much else. I will reread him.

 

[Neki]

also I hope bojack doesn't get his vig shot because fate has been saying shoot leo for like 2 days and I swear bojack is gonna do it at some point

 

[Leo]

I think it depends on how much heat you or me have I guess. Everyone has been eager to flip you, especially Fate and Bojack.

I'm guess is Maol's gonna have a bit more town cred tomorrow and might be somewhat of a town leader. If I can convince him I'm town and make a case on someone else, we may not have much trouble. Fate and bojack will probably be on me anyway, though.

I know Maol is probably eager to kill hedin.

 

[Leo]

also I hope bojack doesn't get his vig shot because fate has been saying shoot leo for like 2 days and I swear bojack is gonna do it at some point

lol he totally will tonight if he has it. It's also possible scum might kill you, i think you're a good night kill today for them.

 

[Neki]

you think I'm a good NK? I've looked scummy as hell for 2 days now lol, especially with my flip flopping on Fando/Bojack and now Bojack/Turm

 

[Leo]

I don't see anyone talking much about you, though. Scum will probably avoid Zeke, because his flip would imply his reads were pure, and they should avoid me, maol, bojack, EC, LP, etc etc cause we all look different shades of scummy and are potential candidates for a lynch.

The ideal NK today is probably Kold or nin, but i can see you or Fate too.

 

[Neki]

Zeke also shaded turmoil early so I feel good about him now too. Maol and Hedin have been butting heads a lot so I find it hard to believe they're on the same team based on posts I've read.

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Someone who isn't Maol, Bojack, and turm tell me how at least two out of three of them aren't scum. I know some people have some suspicion on Zipped but right now it's feeling a little too easy. I can't see myself voting for anyone other than Maol or Bojack today but would like to hear some...

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Hedin calling out Maol/Turm/Bojack early in Day 2. I really doubt scum!hedin shades one of his possible team mates this early especially given how this is a very narrow list. Scum can make big lists and throw a team mate but this is just 3 people.

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We pretty much have the same list. I need to look at Fate and Leo more but the first three that you have listed as the ones that I'm focusing more on. It's probably more of a top 2 between Maol and Bojack with turm getting an honorable mention.

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Hedin going after maol/bojack/turm pretty consistently

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Why turm?

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Hedin questioning why turm early in Day 2.

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Hedin shades Turm real early in Day 2.

Maybe he could be neutral, but I'm find it hard to believe Hedin would shade Turm this early in D2 before he had any real heat. So that's why I find it hard to believe they are teamed.

 

[Neki]

For me, Hedin going on Turm looks relatively pure so unless he is neutral or he really planned this out ahead I can't see them ever being teamed. Hedin stayed on Sneeks day 1 and on Maol day 2 which lines up consistently with his thought process

 

[Leo]

Okay, i will reread him, i was just looking at the votes and i didn't see him on either Raz or Turm on D1 and 2. All i remember for him is squabbling with maol lol

 

[Neki]

EC came off as bad because he insisted on some weird way of playing but then he betrayed it when he tried to break the tie between bojack/turm. Was he feeling nervous or was he feeling that they could get an easy vote off on Bojack? I think that makes it hard for them to be teamed.

 

[Neki]

Actually turm voted for bojack now that I look at his posts. I'd rather flip EC now than Bojack. turm also shaded Bojack/Maol. Turm also shaded bojack after his role claim at EoD. The more I read this the more I have a hard time thinking Bojack is scum now.

 

[Neki]

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Era ate all my quotes but I was going to point out how Leo was saying how he'd vote Maol, Turmoil, and BoJack most of Day 2, mentioning only Fando in passing. But when BoJack and Fando were both in the running he picked Fando because he didn't like the people on BoJack. Then he doesn't consider...

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I missed this LP post yesterday, he thinks we're not scum together.

Take that @Aeleus, this ain't no scum chat anymore.

 

[Neki]

LP also consistently shaded on Bojack (not as hard) so it's unlikely they are teamed. He said he'd also rather vote for a Razmo busser over a non Razmo voter which is kinda meh in retrospect but doesn't mean he's scum. LP also didn't want an easy vote or a turbo for turmoil. I think this is slightly town leaning because if he just jumped on the turmoil bandwagon and he flips scum, he comes off as much better. Why go through all the effort of trying to save turmoil if turmoil gives up in the thread and posts 1 thing on day 3? It's a lot of busy work for scum that puts him in the spotlight when he could have been like 80% of the thread and just voted Turmoil and stayed quiet. The only way he starts a counter-wagon on Bojack is if he thinks he can get Bojack out and this is a risky play as scum. Maybe it makes sense as a hail-mary but it buys one day at most for scum!LP since we'd go to turmoil tomorrow anyways.

It makes me feel slightly better about him, I don't see him committing to this busy work as scum personally.

 

[Neki]

Town:
Neki
Leo
nin/malus (soft claim PR, hasn't done anything for me to mistrust besides Feign throwing slight shade)
Zeke (Zeke being Zeke, surprisingly insightful this game with a good read on Turm. scum!Zeke has played this well if he is scum)
Kold (Hasn't done anything overly offensive, just staying back and has had good votes)
Zipped (staying on turmoil for 2 days looks good to me)
Maol (townplay has improved from day 1 and 2, slight more town lean or possible elaborate scum mastermind plan?)

Null:
LP (slight town lean, unlikely to be teamed with bojack at the very least. Wants to go after Razmo bussers but I think all of the scum team besides Turmoil seems to have not wanted to bus him honestly)
Fate (fate being fate, doesn't mean he is a bad guy though)
Hedin/Ambulance (find it hard to think he is teamed with Turmoil but it could happen. Went hard on maol/bojack and eventually went against turm, hard to find it that he and turm are teamed)
Bojack (everyone has shaded bojack at this point, barely anyone defending him. Neutral perhaps but he has spent all of D2 and D3 defending himself without support)

Scum:
Hobo (finding it harder and harder for me to find teammates for Razmos and Turmoil at this point, this is just because of the Zipped D1 vote with Razmos though)
EC (poor voteflip to Bojack and his attitude doesn't seem exactly cooperative, may have upset his scum team mates in Razmos/Turmoil? Razmos was slight defending me and Turmoil wanted him to move votes. More likely to be neutral though?)

Those are my thoughts, I was way too hyper after that flip

 

[Leo]

I'm a bit lost at finding scum too. Every player has reasons to be town, i think scum must be playing an aggressive game after Raz was caught, that would explain a lot of the bussing cause there's still two of them and they are somewhere.

 

[Leo]

EC is a question mark, looking at him the simplest interpretation is that he's a new player, he's trying a character, it's not working super well but he hasn't been voted out yet either so he's insisting on it. He has said he has previous experience with mafia but he has some weird moments, like when he apparently didn't know how replacements work.

But then there's the possibility he's playing a big brain game as scum, and is fooling everyone by acting so uncooperative no one could believe he could be scum drawing so much attention to himself. That would align with him saying he's an experienced player. In curious about his flip.

 

[Neki]

bojack being scum is so funny now lol

 

[Neki]

it's gotta be hobo or EC at this point!

 

[Leo]

At least i was right about bo, i feel validated

Gonna have to take a look again, but still think LP is the most probable candidate.

 

[Neki]

really I'm still unsold on LP at this point. We would have voted out both probably without the vig kill, LP is more of a schemer and this doesn't seem like scheming.

 

[Leo]

Also fate could still be scum, cause it seemed like scums plan yesterday was to bus turm and shade me to filth to protect bojack

 

[Leo]

I've just seen bo was a conditional godfather

I think that hedin slip theory might be worth exploring

 

[Neki]

It's fair but the way Hedin posts he was really shading turmoil/bojack the whole game. It seems weird to do that as a team mate

 

[Leo]

I will reread his posts, but it's worth trying!

 

[Neki]

Do you think all of Razmo teammates were off bus at this point? The spread of votes is kinda crazy that they would all spread off bus instead of focusing on one person lol.

 

[Leo]

I think Fate could be scum, so he might be the one who was on Raz, especially going there when he did.

 

[Neki]

I'm torn on it, it comes off as unhinged Fate but it makes no sense to me why he would try to divert away from Bojack because it just makes him look bad when Bojack flips. Like given the flip today, I probably would have pushed for bojack vote after turmoil anyways and he would look bad if bojack flips. For me, I think the last scum is someone who quietly accepted what happened today without creating attention by staying on turmoil without putting up a fuss. Gives you big town cred and it's much less work. It's gotta be hobo!

 

[Neki]

Hobo was also off wagon too. I think it's pretty likely they were all off wagon at this point. In scum chat I would have either got way more people to bus Razmos if they were reacting or I would have told everyone to spread out votes not on Razmos. It's starting to feel like much the latter.

I don't mind the fate flip today though but I feel pretty confident the Razmo train was very very pure.