Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

[Gnome]

I've been on a scum team with someone who clearly wasn't bothering to actually read the scum chat once. You're going to get people who are phoning it in regardless of alignment.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

As someone who's been on quite a few scum teams, this is not true.

maybe a bit of an assumption, just feel like scum sometimes want it more. they don't want to let their little team down. town you can feel like "whatever i'm just one more player nbd if i die"

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

I've been on a scum team with someone who clearly wasn't bothering to actually read the scum chat once. You're going to get people who are phoning it in regardless of alignment.

that sounds terrifying. ok, point taken

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Fuck, this is turning into a frustrating game for me. I'm normally way too invested in games, but that makes me self destruct and eventually have to replace out. Here I'm trying to not take the game so deathly serious and now it's a struggle to post at all.

this post reads like it's coming directly from my Brain. Big Mood.

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

Fuck, this is turning into a frustrating game for me. I'm normally way too invested in games, but that makes me self destruct and eventually have to replace out. Here I'm trying to not take the game so deathly serious and now it's a struggle to post at all.

earnest post from skunkbeard. reads very much like frustrated town.

unvote

saw some interesting interactions today. need to look back at everything that’s happened

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Nobody has really got behing my snow Ghost Vote. i guess I am the only one who sees something there.

sure I will pressure a Bear.

Vote:Ghost Bear

man my left arm feels like I'm turning into a walker after my second Vaccine Dose.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Nobody has really got behing my snow Ghost Vote. i guess I am the only one who sees something there.

sure I will pressure a Bear.

Vote:Ghost Bear

man my left arm feels like I'm turning into a walker after my second Vaccine Dose.

well that was a mistake forgot the / in the second Highlight.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Nah I think you made a good point on Snow G.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Snow G went down for me today and Snow C went up, but I had to reread to remember which was which.

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

first going to get town reads out of the way. feel pretty good about these right now.

sans
alien
lightning
kook
pazzo
captain
snow creature

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

neon hasn't posted a single thing today lol

 

[Gnome]

earnest post from skunkbeard. reads very much like frustrated town.

unvote

saw some interesting interactions today. need to look back at everything that’s happened

Really? I actually kind of got the bad feels from that post because there's only one player I can think of that fits that description and he's already accounted for.

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

ghost bear reread - feels checked out in a bad way. low effort, no solve. I wanted to wait to see if he responded to kook or I, but hasn't checked in. I will likely vote there today.

Really? I actually kind of got the bad feels from that post because there's only one player I can think of that fits that description and he's already accounted for.

there are two others I think would say that. looking at how captain has played and voted, I think I know which of the two it is

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

to circle back to the thread I started with looking at the anthos vote pool, I find it hard to believe there's no scum there, but not enough to read. thinking captain, sans, alien, and snow creature are town. gnome and boobeard too hard for me to read right now. will need to revisit later when there's more info

lots of people suspecting stan and ghost bear simultaneously. the current unknowns on boobear at day end are stan, ghost bear, and snow ghost. if stan and ghost bear are both scum, feels weird they would reduce that pool of players that way, though i guess its just wifom and speculation without knowing boobear's alignment.

stealin stan definitely feels like he's chasing whatever car drives by. voted on me for proposing turbo on d1, then proposed voting players who had made connections - not sure i fit that bill then, but didn't bring attention to it at the time. insists alien's self sacrificial nature is NAI, feels like he's missing the boat with that one despite dismissing boobear as town. generally argumentative and abrasive, and feels like he's on his own train of thinking. stan doesn't feel like someone who has a team or shared thinking with anyone. not totally sure about him, but feels like a worse vote than ghost bear right now.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

They always came off as scummy to me

Why? Use your words. Explain.

I knew i would get exactly this kind of reaction "oh no, he dared to change his mind, he must be scum because town care about maintaining consistency above all else." if i was mafia i would have just stayed on boo bear, it's not like i couldn't have made up arguments if i wanted to, but i don't care about pretending that i never change my mind, i care about finding scum. i knew perfectly well that switching my position made me seem more suspicious, not less.

i said from the very beginning of the day that if boo bear's new then he's probably town because the way he acted dind't make sense for newbie scum. i was vaguely thinking that maybe alien's friend was mafia so didn't claim, or that alien was mafia, seemed like there were a lot of possibilities, but when i thought it through again i could see that bb being new made more sense. i wrote up all my thoughts, you can see them if you go through my post.

Eh, fwiw I was happy to see you actually think through and express reasoning and show progression. Could be an attempt to pocket me but it at least staved me off for the moment when before that I was leaning towards putting my vote down on you.

this post reads like it's coming directly from my Brain. Big Mood.

If I didn’t already know who was behind your mask I probably would’ve assumed that post was coming from you lol

neon hasn't posted a single thing today lol

Way too much passive play going on right now. Not sure what the votes are at right now, but lots of pressure on Ghost Bear yet still nothing of merit. Given the players I can see being behind that account it doesn’t really even inform me much on them because I could see them intentionally doing it as scum too. I’d gladly see him tossed at this stage, but since I’m pretty sure Bear is in the lead already I’m gonna:

VOTE: Wax Phantom

I honestly have no idea who is behind the account other than knowing it’s not who they’re cosplaying as. That tells me this person likely has more insight than they’re putting out. That in and of itself is NAI, I mean they’re purposefully cosplaying anyone can do that regardless of alignment in a costume game. Seriously though - give us something to work with instead of just memes.I feel pretty good about my ability to read Sparks, but I don’t know how to read what Wax is doing, when I suspect if they were just...playing normally I’d have a better idea of their alignment at this stage.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

My only real problem with voting for Wax Phantom is just wondering, what does it give us? If Wax is town, it was just a weird cosplay that didn't work out. If they're scum, we managed to hit one but does it give us any leads or connections?

 

[San Franpsycho]

Every scum gives leads and connections. There are always reactions. This is basic mafia and always a silly argument. Vote out scum.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

My only real problem with voting for Wax Phantom is just wondering, what does it give us? If Wax is town, it was just a weird cosplay that didn't work out. If they're scum, we managed to hit one but does it give us any leads or connections?

I think right now it’s worth pressuring the slot to get something more productive. Yeah, they’re a bit of a void but less so than Ghost Bear honestly. This game is pretty low key so far with a lot of people on the sidelines. There is absolutely going to be scum in that group, and we really don’t want game end to come down to just a bunch of quiet/unproductive players lol

 

[Neon Phantom]

My plan was to take get home and then dig in, instead I passed out for several hours so I'm sorry about that.

Firstly, people I am town reading to some degree.
Higher they are, safer they are. You know the drill.

SanFran
Pazzo
Char
Lightning
Technicolor Phantom

Snacks
Spooky Space Kook

Woodsman and Gnome??

SanFran is overaggro, doing a lot of pushing and I'm not entirely sure if I'm overconflating that with actually working things through which makes me wary but damn it, I cannot help but feel strongly good about them. And I tried. They just keep floating back up to the top.

Pazzo feels like someone working things through, they're making connections, going through what people say, analysing things off their own back, chasing people for opinions and answers, they analysed eod. They feel solvey.

Char for whatever reason is giving me good vibes, Lightning's more reactive posts yesterday felt sincere, Tech has made an impression on me with the few posts they've made as someone cutting through the bullshit, as such.

Snacks and Spooky Space Kook were both higher up my list before the reread I fell asleep during, I still feel they're towny but less firmly.
Snacks has been posting a lot but as such there's a few moments where it feels more like there's no oompf behind what they put forward. He floated the turbo idea with no actual plan for it and backed off it in moments, likes Sanfran's aggressive pursuit but not the posts she's pursuing, fishes at Gnomes read on Char while insisting he's not interested in the who, and wifoms his way through the reasons for the scum kill. The "posts that leave speculation to others tend to be scum. i would know" felt a bit on the nose.

Spooky I felt good about yesterday, but on rereading today I feel like they're more wishy washy than I thought so I'm not sure there. They entertained Alien's flavour discussion, they had a rather noncommittal intention to vote out an inactive that they wavered away from when people disliked that and then circled back into later, but I do agree with her read on SnowC and the snipes at Ghost Bear for his inconsistent comments on the Boo vote.

Woodsman and Gnome I'm not entirely sure about but mostly feel good. They feel like people working on things, they're not shy about putting forth opinions and interacting with people.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Then there was the Alien/Boo stuff.

It being obvious who Alien is is why I was happy voting there and didn't feel the need to move after they confirmed it a few posts later.
Being coastscum would be "easy", their role is "boring", they don't mind being voted, but "all this attention is making me nervous" when they actually had rather little attention.
It was borderline, but the posts were leaning closer to how I think of them as scum than how I think of them as town outside the martyr act and I still don't think they were in enough risk for the defense to have been dangerous.

People have talked about it today and I still don't feel the act of defense was alignment indicative, I think it was just him. Would it have pissed off a team? Maybe. But I still think it was safe enough as moves go because I really don't think there was any danger there and I agree with Tech who made that point again today.

As for Boo himself though, I am watching him. I believed him so I wasn't willing to vote there yesterday, but that he did actually resort to pulling that card when he'd clearly not been intending to is something that leaves me feeling... wary?
The people who point to him laying it on a bit thick and pulling on heartstrings were right, and there were several of them (Kook, SnowG, Baba, Ghost Bear) and the "Oh well, sorry fellow townies" felt insincere.

That said, his reads today feel like he's digging in so I'm feeling a bit better there, although his main push back is at someone who was pushing him.
I feel like I missed something not making notes on how his train actually progressed and then wavered yesterday though, I need to go back and do that at some point.

 

[Neon Phantom]

And then the people I have a particular "Not Great" feeling about:

SnowC is setting off my hackles.
They had early, if jokey, pushback towards turning things more serious, they overreacted to their position being questioned today and had their whole "vote me if you want" moment and their insistence that everything they did with their EOD vote would have been scum read.
They crib off Boo's reasoning for voting GhostBear, feel like Woodsman is reiterating other people's posts which I didn't see but maybe I should look into now I'm writing it down, and just blank agreeing with Pazzo's opinions on things without any additional input.
When Pazzo asked them about their Skunkbeard read it felt like they waffled through it.

Ghost Bear
And yeah, having just criticised SnowC for siddling in behind Pazzo's reads I'm about to do the same for other people's Ghost Bear reads.
They tried to throw down the no vote and immediately capitulated under pressure and reading it over I have no idea how serious any of that was.
I didn't think anything about the missing end of day that Boo and SnowC commented on, but the way he hammed it up on his way into the thread today with the "why anthos"ing and the "I still want to see boobeard flip, and apparently boo lied about something?" felt off in terms of tone and wanting to vote Boo while being so wishywashy on why other people did felt wrong. Kook called that out and also pulled up earlier posts from them which were just as wishywashy about that train.
He said he wanted to vote Boo for the "woe is me" act (which I agree did set me on edge too), but Boo pointed out in 904 that was after the vote was down, and in #963 Kook does the same, with quotes to show that's backwards.
Snow Ghost also pulled up that Ghost Bear was fixated on the heartstrings but missed the lies at some point.
I don't like it.

Wax Phantom
Is just a big, noisy mess.
Seriously.
That's it.
They were noisy, insistent on shitposting for as long as possible and everyone else doing the same, wanted everyone to wait for scum tells to vote, threw out that just about everything was NAI very loudly, got in a shouting match over Char votes that they never did elaborate on, called out people making votes with a bunch of caps for nothing.

hmm who would possibly jump from pretending to be one player to another in a way that would distract us from actually playing the game hmmm

I keep coming back to this comment, really. That's what they were doing. Any time anyone actually engaged with Waxy, myself included, them they were just being one big distraction from actually doing anything worthwhile.
Some said it felt too obvious for scum and I've wondered myself, but at this point I don't really want to put too much stock in any arguments that "scum just wouldn't do x" because there's always the counter argument that that's exactly why they would.
If they drop the act and start contributing I'll back off. Until they do, nah, I don't want to see more of this shit.


Anyone I didn't explicitly separate out just assume I don't have enough of an opinion on them at this point for it to be worth it.

 

[Neon Phantom]

@Snow Creature
Yesterday near EOD you didn't get the Anthos vote but joined it anyway saying "I don't want the Boo train, nor Alien, nor Skunkbeard on a reread"
When questioned you said

It's not that I don't see a reason, just I don't see a reason on anyone else. I've already said why I wouldn't go Boo or Alien, and Skunbeard's shtick seemed too weird for scum right now.

When you were talking about Skunkbeard's schtick what were you actually talking about?

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Snow creature mostly seems town to me, but what I don't like are his attempts to buddy up to snow ghost and pazzo by making a big deal about how they're thinking the same thing, at one point even asking pazzo a question about his vote just so he could post a "we're thinking the same thing!!" gif. Feels very much like trying to pocket, i know somebody mentioned that earlier & i agree with whoever it was. otoh what i like about snow creature is that he feels like he's speaking his mind without caring about what people think of him

 

[Neon Phantom]

@Gnome

The Boo vote is looking kind of pure with that flip, but Wrassle Bear and Stalin are still nulls for me so I’m not sure if I want to follow that

[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC		(5 votes)
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
[He/Him] Ghost Bear - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[He/Him] Anthos - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Anthos - UTC
[He/Him] Frankenstein - UTC

There's going to be what, 3-5? scum give or take some other meddlers? in a game this size?
They have to be somewhere, and this vote had a decent amount of people on it even if Anthos and Franky narrow it down.

What made you say you thought it might be pure even while admitting you had concerns about some on it?

 

[Neon Phantom]

@Scooby Snack Monster

slept on it. something about gnome still not sitting right, but will come back to that later. feeling better about char. need to look at some other players.

Do you still feel this way? And if so, have you come any closer to working out what's set you on edge?
It seems curious that you've ended up feeling better about char but worse about gnome when gnome is one of the other people feeling better about char, if that makes sense?

 

[Neon Phantom]

That's a shitload words bro

Do you have any intentions of maybe posting a shitload of words of your own today?
Maybe ones that actually reveal thoughts?

You're still pushing Char.

They always came off as scummy to me

Are you able to say why? I want to understand!

Because when pushed yesterday ignoring the initial resistance this was what you settled on.

I know everything is nai on day one

but my reasoning on char gon is just a gut feeling and I don't feel comfortable with a costumed elder god whatever in the game after day `

So I was curious if it's still a gut read or if anything they've said or done today has given you further insight.

Or, you know, if I'm just wasting my time trying to take you seriously.

 

[Gnome]

@Gnome

[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC		(5 votes)
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
[He/Him] Ghost Bear - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[He/Him] Anthos - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Anthos - UTC
[He/Him] Frankenstein - UTC

There's going to be what, 3-5? scum give or take some other meddlers? in a game this size?
They have to be somewhere, and this vote had a decent amount of people on it even if Anthos and Franky narrow it down.

What made you say you thought it might be pure even while admitting you had concerns about some on it?

I'm more talking about the 5 that ended up there at day end. Of the 5 we know 2 of them are town which makes it look more pure than the Anthos train, but the other three are unknown enough to not want to draw any conclusions about that. Worth making note of I think, but not enough to go any further than that.

 

[Neon Phantom]

I'm more talking about the 5 that ended up there at day end. Of the 5 we know 2 of them are town which makes it look more pure than the Anthos train, but the other three are unknown enough to not want to draw any conclusions about that. Worth making note of I think, but not enough to go any further than that.

Okay, if you just meant that it had two townies on it that feels a bit of a nothing statement when we only have two flips so I can't really say I get where you were coming from, but okay, fair enough. Might be worth looking back on in future.
I just thought it seemed a strange thing to say while mentioning your doubts about Ghost Stan and Ghost Bear.

 

[Neon Phantom]

First off as things stand I feel really good about these three: Pazzo, San and Scooby Snack.

Most suspicious of Snow Ghost, Wax, Woodsman and Skunkbeard.

I'm just going to pull out the feel bests/feel worsts and skip the rest for now. I want to get a feel for where you're standing and you gave a list but no real reasoning.

Are you willing to go into a bit of detail about what makes you feel better/worse about these people? Even if it's something small?

 

[Baba Yaga]

@Char Gar Gothakon had a low info D1. One could describe it as unremarkable. There is not a lot to go on, the only stance he took was against Wax Phantom, which he continues today. He didn't comment on Anthos/Boo at all at the time.

He comes in today and sides with the Anthos crowd. The interesting bit is his self-awareness. Fear of being voted out D1 when there wasn't much of a push against him.

He continues to not take stances today, he posts regularly but fails to contribute. It could be scum hiding, but I'm not entirely sure here. I'd like some input from people.

Char what do you think about Snow Ghost? Especially with Lightning voting there. It looked like you were interested in Lightning with that one question, so any thoughts on him?

What's your overall feel on the players? Who stands out for you? Or who isn't since you say scum is chilling in the background?

 

[Baba Yaga]

Sans I'd appreciate if you stopped floating my name as sus without any accusations to justify it. "Rehashing" is utter bullshit, I confronted YOU with your specific omission of Boo's behaviour, something that nobody brought up.

Where am I rehashing old arguments?

It's even funnier that you go on to rehash a stance that I've already stated:

Snow creature looks okay for now. I'm more interested in the other Snow anyway, but he won't fly under the radar so no worries there.

Snow G went down for me today and Snow C went up, but I had to reread to remember which was which.

You already tried to snipe me last minute yesterday, and I'm not letting you do it unnoticed again today.

If you think I'm sus, come forward and bring some arguments.

 

[Baba Yaga]

It's my main reason to suspect Sans and you all should be aware of how he steers the discussion around here. Nothing he's done is alignment indicative so far.

 

[Baba Yaga]

I can see a Ghost Bear vote today, but a bit more insight would be great. Four posts so far.

@Ghost Bear did you get around to read through today? You input would be appreciated. Is Boo still your main suspect?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

My only real problem with voting for Wax Phantom is just wondering, what does it give us? If Wax is town, it was just a weird cosplay that didn't work out. If they're scum, we managed to hit one but does it give us any leads or connections?

What does this mean here? The goal of the game is to get scum, period. We're not gonna wait until d5 to vote Wax because they won't give connections before then, such a bad post here.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

@Char Gar Gothakon had a low info D1. One could describe it as unremarkable. There is not a lot to go on, the only stance he took was against Wax Phantom, which he continues today. He didn't comment on Anthos/Boo at all at the time.

He comes in today and sides with the Anthos crowd. The interesting bit is his self-awareness. Fear of being voted out D1 when there wasn't much of a push against him.

He continues to not take stances today, he posts regularly but fails to contribute. It could be scum hiding, but I'm not entirely sure here. I'd like some input from people.

Char what do you think about Snow Ghost? Especially with Lightning voting there. It looked like you were interested in Lightning with that one question, so any thoughts on him?

What's your overall feel on the players? Who stands out for you? Or who isn't since you say scum is chilling in the background?

Null, jman will either dig his own grave or will become obvious town later on, I'm just watching him now. Tbh you're a great candidate for scum chilling in the background, you do 3-4 posts and disappear for hours.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Null, jman will either dig his own grave or will become obvious town later on, I'm just watching him now. Tbh you're a great candidate for scum chilling in the background, you do 3-4 posts and disappear for hours.

Would you say I'm hiding my views and try to blend in?

 

[Baba Yaga]

you do 3-4 posts and disappear for hours.

Also this is my standard activity, life is different nowadays. Today I've got more downtime and will be around sporadically for the next few hours, but typically the majority isn't around at this time.

And I'd argue you're behaviour isn't too different from mine as well.

 

[Cat Creature]

meow


around for a short bit before i go to bed, probably not enough time to iso everyone i wanted to, but i feel like ive gotten some sense of almost everyone in the game by now at least

ill try to sort people

towniest at the top, scummiest at the bottom

town
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Baba Yaga - UTC
[He/Him] Scooby Snack Monster|Snack - UTC
[He/Him] Gnome - UTC
[He/Him] Pazzo the Ghost Clown|Pazzo - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[She/Her] Spooky Space Kook|Kook - UTC
[He/Him] Technicolor Phantom|Tech - UTC
[He/Him] Char Gar Gothakon|CGG - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[They/Them] Hyde Monster - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC
[He/Him] Ghost Bear - UTC
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
scum


i feel decently confident about my top half being town, basically down to char. if im wrong up there, id bet on it being one of san or pazzo just because that would make me the most mad, but im not anywhere close to being ready to go down those roads yet

bottom half things get a bit murkier. i need to iso snow ghost because ive gotten some weird feelings about him today, but for now im just sticking him in the middle. woodsman and snow creature feel like they trended up for me today so they wound up kind of in the middle too.

neon i liked his stuff today that i saw, hyde maybe hasnt been around as much as i'd hoped for, skunk just ended up down there due to lack of content, same with wax but id be more inclined to vote him for it, and then finally the two ghosts, one of bear and one of stan, both of whom i think look sus here.


fine with my vote on stan still for now. i should be here once i wake up through to eod. i could def see my vote swinging to a few different places still depending on how things go.

ok, thats it from me for tonight


meow

 

[Baba Yaga]

Zzzzz
@Char Gar Gothakon got anyone else we can exchange thoughts about?

Woodsman dropped off too, was expecting more insight here.

 

[Cat Creature]

i can be around for a little bit still if you're looking to chat baba

 

[Snow Creature]

Just caught up. Here are some random thoughts I had as I was reading through.

took some time to think thru the boo beard situation:

if boobeard is newbie town
-Why does he use mafia terms so naturally and know jman's posting style enough to call out lightning for falling in and out of it? does not seem like someone who got all of that off the wiki + playing ten years ago + reading one game

In all fairness, I did the same when I first joined, i.e. read some old games. And since they come from the FGO community, it makes sense that would be the one you read, which I believe Boo said at some point. It's easy to pick up on terms when you casually read through.

Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment, but there's so many unknowns right now. Waxy just melting like wax, before showing up on the same vote he was beating the drum for the same person he was on for no reason yesterday is a bad vibe. Going to throw a vote down on Stan, but I'm cool with both Waxy and Ghost Bear vote also

What are your thoughts on Cat? I was scum reading them but on a reread, I'm second guessing that. They're one I'm undecided about right now. That question's open to anyone, not just Gnome.

i actually have a town lean on ghost bear. he feels like he's town phoning it in more than scum trying to coast. reason being that coasting scum would avoid obvious pitfalls such as:

-voting "no vote" which in this community is basically the same as lighting a neon sign that says "i am wrong please yell at me" , then immediately taking it back as a joke, gaining attention on himself for no reason
-saying "apparently boo lied?" terrible thing to say if you're reading carefully and trying to belnd since it puts you again in the spotlight to be yelled at for not reading carefully. otoh i could see this as a genuine question. san fran was trying hard at the time to skim boo's attempts to fit in as an experienced player as being a lie, but imo it's not so clear cut that nobvody could miss it, particularly if they actually weren't paying attention.

i won't cry if ghost bear gets voted out, since he's not really contributing, but i wouldn't vote there unless i see more

Nah, I can see scum doing all that. To me, it reads like someone trying to be TOO casual. But I agree it's tough when there aren't many posts to go on. If you're not leaning Bear, where you thinking of going?

to circle back to the thread I started with looking at the anthos vote pool, I find it hard to believe there's no scum there, but not enough to read. thinking captain, sans, alien, and snow creature are town. gnome and boobeard too hard for me to read right now. will need to revisit later when there's more info

It's weird, looking at the Anthos vote, I don't scum read anyone on there. If I were a betting guy, I'd say it was all town. But if you had to pick one person it was, who would you think it is?

@Snow Creature
Yesterday near EOD you didn't get the Anthos vote but joined it anyway saying "I don't want the Boo train, nor Alien, nor Skunkbeard on a reread"
When questioned you said

When you were talking about Skunkbeard's schtick what were you actually talking about?

I'll address this one in a separate post because I want to pull out some Skunkbeard posts. I'll get back to you on this.

 

[Cat Creature]

unfortunately i am meow too tired, and it is time for my cat nap

see you all for eod

meow

 

[Baba Yaga]

unfortunately i am meow too tired, and it is time for my cat nap

see you all for eod

meow

No I'm here now

 

[Snow Creature]

Okay @Neon Phantom here's what I was thinking about Skunkbeard yesterday.

The "schtick" I mentioned was the whole pirate deal. They made an early unexplained vote on Anthos and later asked for people to "join their crew" on the vote.

Vote: Anthos

My wagon is still looking for a hearty crew.

And there was another point they pushed Anthos too:

My gut still tells me it’s Anthos.

There wasn't as much as I remember, but I wrote them off because I thought it was so blatant and out there that it wasn't scummy. The random vote without an explanation, the blatant flag-waving for the Anthos train - there was no subtlety. Of course, that doesn't mean much, but it was enough to lead me away from it.

And this post today makes me feel good about them just because it reads as frustrated townie:

Fuck, this is turning into a frustrating game for me. I'm normally way too invested in games, but that makes me self destruct and eventually have to replace out. Here I'm trying to not take the game so deathly serious and now it's a struggle to post at all.

They're not a hard town read, but I'd need some real convincing to vote there right now.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Also this is my standard activity, life is different nowadays. Today I've got more downtime and will be around sporadically for the next few hours, but typically the majority isn't around at this time.

And I'd argue you're behaviour isn't too different from mine as well.

I'm not saying I'm much different.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Can someone give me 1 reason, just 1, for why they think Wax is town?

 

[Baba Yaga]

No I'm here now

Scratch that, something always gets in the way.

If you're back though I'd like your thoughts on Woodsman. He made a good first impression, but there isn't anything coming from him now.

 

[Baba Yaga]

I'm not saying I'm much different.

Hey Char let's play a game. Let's pretend Wax is scum, who's with him?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Hey Char let's play a game. Let's pretend Wax is scum, who's with him?

The hard defenders from day 1 maybe or the players who totally ignore him. On a reread I'll find out.

 

[Baba Yaga]

The hard defenders from day 1 maybe or the players who totally ignore him. On a reread I'll find out.

And who are those specifically?

Here's the thing Geno, I'm scum reading you a bit. And I fail to see a townie mindset behind your posts so far. You usually pay attention to what is said about you especially if your scum and that defensiveness was shown earlier. I'd like something more concrete from you.

 

[Baba Yaga]

*you're

 

[Snow Ghost]

VOTE: Wax Phantom

A starting vote. Hasn't done anything today, what comes off as coasting after the noise he made on D1.

They always came off as scummy to me

Put it into words man. What is scummy about him, apart from the fact that most of his focus is spent on you, what allows him to skip taking part in many other conversations?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

And who are those specifically?

Here's the thing Geno, I'm scum reading you a bit. And I fail to see a townie mindset behind your posts so far. You usually pay attention to what is said about you especially if your scum and that defensiveness was shown earlier. I'd like something more concrete from you.

1. Wrong. 2. Where was my defensiveness shown? I haven't really been on the defense this game. As for who are those, I really am not gonna bother reading back for those players before we flip Wax, I can barely remember my own name here.

 

[Baba Yaga]

1. Wrong. 2. Where was my defensiveness shown? I haven't really been on the defense this game. As for who are those, I really am not gonna bother reading back for those players before we flip Wax, I can barely remember my own name here.

So you're just ignore everyone until Wax is flipped? Cool.

Any other suspect with reasoning?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

So you're just ignore everyone until Wax is flipped? Cool.

Any other suspect with reasoning?

You do have a way of twisting my words right? When did I say I'll ignore everyone? You asked me who the teammates of Wax would be if he flipped scum and I said I'd go back and check when that happened. I'm not going to continue this conversation, it's obvious you just want me to say something that you will use to push me, without really caring about my thoughts.

 

[Baba Yaga]

You do have a way of twisting my words right? When did I say I'll ignore everyone? You asked me who the teammates of Wax would be if he flipped scum and I said I'd go back and check when that happened. I'm not going to continue this conversation, it's obvious you just want me to say something that you will use to push me, without really caring about my thoughts.

I want you to give your opinion on people, you refuse to.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I want you to give your opinion on people, you refuse to.

Sure *thumbs up emoji*

 

[Woodsman]

@Char Gar Gothakon do you have any other reads besides Wax?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

@Char Gar Gothakon do you have any other reads besides Wax?

Sure, I think Sans is town, she's trying to solve the game and gives her thoughts. Clown person is also somewhere up there. I don't remember the names of the rest, nothing sticks out, null for now.

 

[Woodsman]

No Scum leans?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

No Scum leans?

Nothing sticks out other than Wax.

 

[Snow Creature]

Nothing sticks out other than Wax.

Really? Nothing else?

Me? Boo? Stan? Ghost Bear? Anyone who's had something thrown at them today?

I'm not personally scum reading you, but if you're cagey about these opinions you can't be surprised when people start shading you.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Really? Nothing else?

Me? Boo? Stan? Ghost Bear? Anyone who's had something thrown at them today?

I'm not personally scum reading you, but if you're cagey about these opinions you can't be surprised when people start shading you.

I don't see them really as scum tbh, null reads for me.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

It's also because I forget who's who, I will try to do a reread after D2 ends.

 

[Woodsman]

Yeah I find it hard to believe that you have absolutely no leans besides an unupdated D1 read.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Okay @Neon Phantom here's what I was thinking about Skunkbeard yesterday.

The "schtick" I mentioned was the whole pirate deal. They made an early unexplained vote on Anthos and later asked for people to "join their crew" on the vote.

And there was another point they pushed Anthos too:

There wasn't as much as I remember, but I wrote them off because I thought it was so blatant and out there that it wasn't scummy. The random vote without an explanation, the blatant flag-waving for the Anthos train - there was no subtlety. Of course, that doesn't mean much, but it was enough to lead me away from it.

And this post today makes me feel good about them just because it reads as frustrated townie:

They're not a hard town read, but I'd need some real convincing to vote there right now.

If the limpest of pirate acts and an unexplained vote was enough to flag up as too obvious to be scum I'm really curious about your thoughts on how Waxy approached things, or Cat-Goes-Meow, or Ms.Blargonauts and their faux drunken spelling.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Yeah I find it hard to believe that you have absolutely no leans besides an unupdated D1 read.

I mean why would scum lie about that? Scum would make up some reads and give them to you, I've been busy and haven't reread to make reads I'm confident in, like I can tell you I think the whole Boo Beard thing is dumb to me and I won't vote there, but I'm not basing it on much.

 

[Ghost Bear]

I can see a Ghost Bear vote today, but a bit more insight would be great. Four posts so far.

@Ghost Bear did you get around to read through today? You input would be appreciated. Is Boo still your main suspect?

Boo is still my main suspect today, I see no reason to change my suspicions.

I also see someone voting me because I feel “checked out”. Which is weird but I think it was more a prod vote than an actual scum vote.

i know I haven’t been as helpful today as I could be, I finished my reread up to your post I am responding to, but apparently I need to go back and see for some more direct questions.

 

[Ghost Bear]

Null, jman will either dig his own grave or will become obvious town later on, I'm just watching him now. Tbh you're a great candidate for scum chilling in the background, you do 3-4 posts and disappear for hours.

3-4 posts and disappearing for hours I fine gameplay, calling that a scum tell is discounting people who have busy lives and still want to hunt down cartoon dogs and their kids too

 

[Ghost Bear]

In fact @Char Gar Gothakon its kind of mean and feels awfully “I’m scum so I am going to throw activity as a scum tell”.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

3-4 posts and disappearing for hours I fine gameplay, calling that a scum tell is discounting people who have busy lives and still want to hunt down cartoon dogs and their kids too

Depends on the posts.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

In fact @Char Gar Gothakon its kind of mean and feels awfully “I’m scum so I am going to throw activity as a scum tell”.

I've already said I'm not much different though, like yeah I'm working too and am pretty lazy this game I'll admit.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

In all fairness, I did the same when I first joined, i.e. read some old games. And since they come from the FGO community, it makes sense that would be the one you read, which I believe Boo said at some point. It's easy to pick up on terms when you casually read through.

i did too, but it took me a while to sound natural, part of why i doubted boo's claim so much-- maybe i'm just awkward.

Nah, I can see scum doing all that. To me, it reads like someone trying to be TOO casual. But I agree it's tough when there aren't many posts to go on. If you're not leaning Bear, where you thinking of going?

i read through a few people on the main trains and the only one who didn't come up as a slight town lean was cap'n skunk. he also seemed like he's coasting but in a more natural way than ghost bear, but what i really don't like is his "frustrated town" post & how many people jumped on it to change their opinions of him. it's very easy for scum to make a post like that, obviously town make them too & they can come from a real place, but it's not some kind of town tell. i'll put my vote there for now.

vote: Captain

Can someone give me 1 reason, just 1, for why they think Wax is town?

i'm not sure about wax, but if you're looking for just one reason how about the fact that by sticking to the schtick he's attracting votes, when he could just drop it like cat creature did & have suspicion drop too. but he came into today still rp'ing as far as i can tell.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

i'm not sure about wax, but if you're looking for just one reason how about the fact that by sticking to the schtick he's attracting votes, when he could just drop it like cat creature did & have suspicion drop too. but he came into today still rp'ing as far as i can tell.

Could be that that was his plan and the whole Boo Beard situation made him go "never mind"

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Could be that that was his plan and the whole Boo Beard situation made him go "never mind"

you mean it was his plan to drop it, then the boo bear situation made him decide to keep it up? don't get it, can you explain more?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

you mean it was his plan to drop it, then the boo bear situation made him decide to keep it up? don't get it, can you explain more?

Yeah, the whole Boo Beard situation was a mess, people voting there because they felt like he lied, Wax might've seen that and thought that if they started voting someone for thinking they were lying then he couldn't reveal he lied about cosplaying a player.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Yeah, the whole Boo Beard situation was a mess, people voting there because they felt like he lied, Wax might've seen that and thought that if they started voting someone for thinking they were lying then he couldn't reveal he lied about cosplaying a player.

yeah i guess i can see it, but it feels like nobody thinks that wax actually is sparks, like the jig is up either way and now it's just a bit that he could drop if he wanted to get out of trouble.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

yeah i guess i can see it, but it feels like nobody thinks that wax actually is sparks, like the jig is up either way and now it's just a bit that he could drop if he wanted to get out of trouble.

By continuing to appear like Sparks, maybe some would think "well maybe it's Sparks", I think revealing it was all a lie would get him more attention than he wants, right now eyes are elsewhere, been like that since day start. Like I really think I'm onto something here, I'm pretty confident on this read.

 

[Gnome]

@Snow Creature I remember not loving his posts at EoD, but I thought the meowing thing was more likely to be town and scum. I think he’s done a solid job today also. I like the work he’s putting in.

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

@Scooby Snack Monster

Do you still feel this way? And if so, have you come any closer to working out what's set you on edge?
It seems curious that you've ended up feeling better about char but worse about gnome when gnome is one of the other people feeling better about char, if that makes sense?

no closer on that front, still just one to watch. not sure it's strange that I feel better about char but am paranoid about gnome. i only moved char from slight scum back to null, and without more information on gnome i'm not sure what that means for char.

It's weird, looking at the Anthos vote, I don't scum read anyone on there. If I were a betting guy, I'd say it was all town. But if you had to pick one person it was, who would you think it is

gun to my head, i'd pick boobeard. second would be gnome. rest are very town feeling

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

feelings haven't really changed since last night after catching up. waffling a bit on stan read, though. i don't think he's as suspect as ghost bear right now, but the disconnect i am sensing from what's going on in the game could be because he's looking at it from a different angle. still, feels too easy. very mixed on him.

ghost bear still hasn't done much to help suspicions.

wax may have to go sooner rather than later too

vote: ghost bear

 

[BooBeard]

I think Wax is scum but it's not really because of the RP. The RP itself doesn't indicate anything, it's what they're doing with the RP. If they were still trying to solve the game that would be one thing, but they've impeded progress and caused distractions, but only until there was a greater distraction and then backed off. I'm good to vote either Wax or Ghost Bear today, but I'm sticking with Ghost Bear for now.

Char, you're taking a lot of heat and seem to have really tunneled onto Wax. I understand why you would be defensive in this situation, but you don't seem to be doing yourself any favours. @Char Gar Gothakon what are your plans if Wax isn't voted out right away? Are you just going to keep going on about them? I'm genuinely curious I'm not trying to attack you.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Char, you're taking a lot of heat and seem to have really tunneled onto Wax. I understand why you would be defensive in this situation, but you don't seem to be doing yourself any favours. @Char Gar Gothakon what are your plans if Wax isn't voted out right away? Are you just going to keep going on about them? I'm genuinely curious I'm not trying to attack you.

If Wax isn't voted on today I'll keep going tomorrow, if he's not voted out tomorrow either then I'll maybe try to look elsewhere. Everyone here knows though that it's someone we need to vote at one point or another. I think ripping the bandaid off early is our best bet, especially because I think there's scum there.

 

[BooBeard]

Okay thank you for the reply.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Doesn't feel like day ends in 6 hours with this activity...

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

agree. looking at ghost bear voters, feels pretty clean so far and lack of movement is making me uneasy

vote: wax phantom

let's edge the trains closer together and see what happens

 

[San Franpsycho]

Sans I'd appreciate if you stopped floating my name as sus without any accusations to justify it. "Rehashing" is utter bullshit, I confronted YOU with your specific omission of Boo's behaviour, something that nobody brought up.

You should probably pay attention to the day 1 post I put in front of you for a second time before I put it in front of you for a third time. You don’t have a gotcha. You’re just not reading.

This fake OMGUS is boring. Being town doesn't mean I need to act a certain way (tbh same for scum which is why you all need to stop with "butbutbut scum wouldn't). I'm here to have fun, the end, but if you actually think I'm scum here then l o l at your reads.

 

[Baba Yaga]

I think I don't want Char gone today. His uncooperative obtrusiveness seems too all over the place.

Yep, current votes don't leave me with a good feeling. Ghost Bear almost uncontested, he himself doesn't care. Some Wax voters aren't trustworthy enough. I'll join here for now, most probably not my final vote

Vote: Stan

 

[San Franpsycho]

There’s a lot of general hand wringing about personality and play style that is getting passed off as reads and it doesn’t become less dumb because we are in costumes. There’s a difference between someone ghosting and not engaging in any real way and someone messing around but being willing to play and talk. The ones who stay aren’t your targets. The ones who ignore inconvenient interactions are.

 

[Baba Yaga]

You should probably pay attention to the day 1 post I put in front of you for a second time before I put it in front of you for a third time. You don’t have a gotcha. You’re just not reading.

This fake OMGUS is boring. Being town doesn't mean I need to act a certain way (tbh same for scum which is why you all need to stop with "butbutbut scum wouldn't). I'm here to have fun, the end, but if you actually think I'm scum here then l o l at your reads.

Can we please stop this bullshit.

This

he says and then votes Skunkbeard instead lmao

Boo said two contradictory things so yes one of them is going to be a lie. That Boo lied is fact. Also fact is that I don't care, people gambit, gambits don't prove alignment, just that people make choices about how to play.

is not acknowledging that Boo tried to manipulate emotionally. You can keep repeating it all you want, you wrote "I don't care that he lied". Only today you revealed you willingly misrepresented and omitted his resulting behaviour.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Also nice of you to ignore my rebuttal of your weak shade and not continuing to argue there.

I'm expecting you to vote me before day end, bye.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote:Snow Ghost

 

[Scooby Snack Monster]

Some Wax voters aren't trustworthy enough.

what's your read on the not ccg wax voters (alien, pazzo, myself) and wax?

 

[San Franpsycho]

Can we please stop this bullshit.

This

is not acknowledging that Boo tried to manipulate emotionally. You can keep repeating it all you want, you wrote "I don't care that he lied". Only today you revealed you willingly misrepresented and omitted his resulting behaviour.

I don't care about gambits or emotional plays. Town does that. Scum does that. It's meaningless. You have to read past the easy stuff. Keep trying, maybe you'll get there.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Is that really all we're going to get out of Wax? Just saying 'this person seems scummy' and then a bunch of memes? If they're town, I don't really get it. If they're scum, I don't really understand why they wouldn't pivot once everyone is aiming for them

 

[Baba Yaga]

I don't care about gambits or emotional plays. Town does that. Scum does that. It's meaningless. You have to read past the easy stuff. Keep trying, maybe you'll get there.

Nah, you retroactively try to change your statement. It's not rocket science. You worked hard to get the flag off of Boo and you did it, congrats. Just stand by what you did.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Is that really all we're going to get out of Wax? Just saying 'this person seems scummy' and then a bunch of memes? If they're town, I don't really get it. If they're scum, I don't really understand why they wouldn't pivot once everyone is aiming for them

Not really everyone is aiming for them as you say, I'm the main person pushing for him, there's not too much support yet.

 

[San Franpsycho]

You got me. I didn't think Boo was a good vote, just like I said. What a detective.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Is that really all we're going to get out of Wax? Just saying 'this person seems scummy' and then a bunch of memes? If they're town, I don't really get it. If they're scum, I don't really understand why they wouldn't pivot once everyone is aiming for them

you gave the reason right there

 

[Baba Yaga]

what's your read on the not ccg wax voters (alien, pazzo, myself) and wax?

I disliked Alien's sacrificial offer and haven't gotten any good vibes from him. Would not follow him atm.
You seem to be alright, would only look into you at a later stage.
I have to look into Pazzo, he's gotten some town reads, but that was mainly the Anthos crew who patted their own backs.

Wax is wack. Not much to go on here. I tend to think he isn't scum with this behaviour, but he's not helping otherwise. If there ever was a day to get rid of him, it would be today.