Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

[Wax Phantom]

@Pazzo the Ghost Clown what'd you'd be thunking

 

[Snow Creature]

@The Ghost of Stealin Stan if TP suggested Gar as alternative lunch in D2 and then gossiped them in N2, why didn't they kill them that night?

I think you could maybe explain it.

Here's the timeline. Here's where Tech says Char is a viable alt vote.

Oh I think I may know who San Fran is. Not that it means much.

Mason claim is believable. Wax doing the bare minimum and then ghosting is annoying but not worth voting for. Char is a viable alternative assuming he doesn't go elsewhere.

But then Char has their outburst that a lot of people (myself included) took at face value as frustrated town.

Because idgaf. I'm Geno btw, if I get lynched for this I hope town loses, you guys trash up every single fucking game, town wins by a hair or get pummeled, f it.

I think Tech was one of those people who bought it because then they say...

So...anyone want to vote Skunk?

So it's not impossible. Still strange that Tech would take that gamble, though maybe they thought it was worth it at the start of the game with so many people still left.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Day 4?

well mother moses be witaf

 

[Wax Phantom]

@Char Gar Gothakon

 

[Wax Phantom]

Good lord I need audiobook of this game

W A L L O F L E T T E R S

 

[Neon Phantom]

If Techno had a green check on CCG N1, why did he never publicly town-read CCG D2? Why did he suggest CCG as a good alternate train to Ghost Bear? Why did he not vote ghost bear, the alternative train to his green check?

This did bother me after Baba mentioned it yesterday.

You're right, if Tech talked to Char N1 he would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt at that point that he was clear, it wouldn't make sense to suggest him as a potential vote there.
People had tried to vote him before, it could have taken off. There were claims on the board that were derailing two of the end of day trains and people were searching for alternatives.
I can imagine someone trying it earlier with a mind to play with it a bit and see who's willing to tread there, but at the end of the day?
That doesn't feel like a play someone would make with their green check.

 

[Wax Phantom]

This did bother me after Baba mentioned it yesterday.

You're right, if Tech talked to Char N1 he would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt at that point that he was clear, it wouldn't make sense to suggest him as a potential vote there.
People had tried to vote him before, it could have taken off. There were claims on the board that were derailing two of the end of day trains and people were searching for alternatives.
I can imagine someone trying it earlier with a mind to play with it a bit and see who's willing to tread there, but at the end of the day?
That doesn't feel like a play someone would make with their green check.

@Technicolor Phantom explain yourself

 

[Neon Phantom]

What do I have to explain?

 

[Baba Yaga]

I rembered why it seemed to convoluted to me @The Ghost of Stealin Stan . It's the missing night kill. Only one death that night leads to more assumptions we have to make

 

[Lightning Strikes]

@Technicolor Phantom explain yourself

Can we not ping dead players for no reason.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Vote: CGG

 

[Wax Phantom]

iirc Char has dodged two tunnels now

@Lightning Strikes has only dodged once

Feels either of them could be scum partners

 

[Hyde Monster]

@Technicolor Phantom explain yourself

Wax, Technicolor is dead.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Wax, Technicolor is dead.

Oh right yah

 

[Baba Yaga]

Referring to my last post

Or, he did hit scum, scum pooped their pants if he told them the same thing he did to me and killed him, not knowing he was weak gossip(he didn't tell me that either)

But what if char just dropped the truth.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Vote: CGG

Are you gonna play the game or just keep dropping votes without reason and explanation?

 

[Hyde Monster]

I think we're at 6 votes for Gar.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Wax, Technicolor is dead.

We're all in grayscale now.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

iirc Char has dodged two tunnels now

@Lightning Strikes has only dodged once

Feels either of them could be scum partners

I am scum because I "dodged a tunnel" What?????

 

[Wax Phantom]

I am scum because I "dodged a tunnel" What?????

you heard me

 

[Lightning Strikes]

you heard me

What does dodging a tunnel even mean?

 

[Wax Phantom]

One of your scum mates just led town elsewhere to look

don't look at me like im crazy y'all

 

[Wax Phantom]

What does dodging a tunnel even mean?

I meant to say dodged a train

 

[Baba Yaga]

I am assuming town has no protective roles on our side, otherwise someone would've saved him

not liking the subtle fishing here at all

 

[Hyde Monster]

What does dodging a tunnel even mean?

I don't know what he is about either...

 

[Lightning Strikes]

One of your scum mates just led town elsewhere to look

don't look at me like im crazy y'all

I had a grand total of 2 votes on me and one of those was from myself. \

Are you thinking about what you are saying or just saying random nonsense like we still on day 1.

 

[BooBeard]

not liking the subtle fishing here at all

Not trying to fish, just laying out facts. This is relevant too:

I rembered why it seemed to convoluted to me @The Ghost of Stealin Stan . It's the missing night kill. Only one death that night leads to more assumptions we have to make

If there's a missing night kill and we don't have a protective role, then things don't add up.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Role fishing

@Hyde Monster and I are masons

anyone wanna claim?

 

[Wax Phantom]

I had a grand total of 2 votes on me and one of those was from myself. \

Are you thinking about what you are saying or just saying random nonsense like we still on day 1.

Every day is day 1 for me in mafia

 

[Hyde Monster]

Not trying to fish, just laying out facts. This is relevant too:

If there's a missing night kill and we don't have a protective role, then things don't add up.
[/QUOTE

Or, he did hit scum, scum pooped their pants if he told them the same thing he did to me and killed him, not knowing he was weak gossip(he didn't tell me that either)

.

 

[Hyde Monster]

Well then, I fucked up the quotes

 

[Baba Yaga]

Not trying to fish, just laying out facts. This is relevant too:

If there's a missing night kill and we don't have a protective role, then things don't add up.

Wtf? Stop asking the doc to out themselves. We don't need a claim right now.

Strong kill is the simplest explanation for Snack's death.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Not trying to fish, just laying out facts. This is relevant too:

If there's a missing night kill and we don't have a protective role, then things don't add up.

We don't know there's a missing kill, they might just have killed him when he would have died anyway.

As for protection, any number of ways to get around that depending on the powers at play. Simplest being a nice old fashioned strong kill. Stop fishing for a doc.

 

[Wax Phantom]

in that case doc keep quiet and ignore me

 

[Baba Yaga]

@Wax Phantom Welcome to D4.

Who are your top two scum suspects and why? Also is there anyone besides Hyde you'd read as town?

 

[Wax Phantom]

@Wax Phantom Welcome to D4.

Who are your top two scum suspects and why? Also is there anyone besides Hyde you'd read as town?

CCG and Lighting

Really I have to show my work dammit

Pazzo is town and everyone else is just a misama of suspicion and town

 

[Wax Phantom]

Neon Phantom is town to me at least

 

[Wax Phantom]

CGG i meant

 

[Baba Yaga]

Cool, cool. What is making Pazzo town over everyone else?

@Captain Skunkbeard Are you having fun yet?

 

[Wax Phantom]

Cool, cool. What is making Pazzo town over everyone else?

@Captain Skunkbeard Are you having fun yet?

He's trying the solve the game

 

[Wax Phantom]

Char Gon Gothakon-------->Lightining--------------->???????----------------->??????????

 

[Wax Phantom]

Not trying to fish, just laying out facts. This is relevant too:

If there's a missing night kill and we don't have a protective role, then things don't add up.

Elaborate

 

[BooBeard]

For the record I didn't know a strong kill was a thing, I'll drop it.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Fascinating stuff back there

@Cat Creature hasn't posted in day 4
@BooBeard as well

For the record I didn't know a strong kill was a thing, I'll drop it.

I can hazily remember strong kill being a thing but I justt can't remember which game exactly

 

[Baba Yaga]

Well... I think I'll call it a night.

Remember me to look at past reads about Gnome, there where some light feel town reads dropped early in the game, I think Snack didn't cover them and I could swear Sans was one of those who did (but not sure if it was about Pazzo instead or sth.)

 

[Wax Phantom]

Not sure I genuine trust @Baba Yaga

I can't put my finger on it though

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote: CGG

Is this all you have for us today?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Holy shit this town is horrible, lynch me idgaf, peace out.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Like seriously you believe the theory that N1 gossip was Ghost Bear, of all people he could've used it on, like just kill me man. Or, occams razor, I was n1 target, because if TP did it on me with the intent to out me he would've killed me, he clearly town read me, I claimed to him, and I have what, 6 votes on me already? Everyone just believed it right? Just because Snack's bullshit worked let's see if Stan's does too. Get it over with.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I am amazed how town can find new ways to throw games every time, town deserves to lose every single fucking game in this community, Snacks was beyond lucky with that shit, what sane person even tries that? It's not like Gnome claimed vanilla. Like even if it worked it was a trash play.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I work 12 hours a day to come back to this shit, fuck.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Going by who got killed and I want you to know I have three tabs for this mafia game meaning IM WERKING VERILY HARD on this and I have assorted other disorganized thoughts

Neon Phantom sarcastically goes for a no vote NAI
Oh bomber accusation that always goes well for everyone involved really
Whole lotta back and forth
So then we turbo Anthos who is town
Mafia kills Frankenstein

which is a whole lotta whatever then day two

DAY TWO

shit throwing extravaganza
@Cat Creature active
people scum reading hyde for no raisin then confirming they're masons with me nbd
and then lightning bolt whoever absolutely loses his brain PHENOMONAL! w2g bud not a scumtell at all
Ghost Bear dies and is town GREAAT

and then Technicolour Phantom dies and they're scum

So day three
shit throwing accusations and what not
Gnome dies and they're scum soooooo
Scooby Snack Monster dies and he's town

Basically day four is just this bullshit
@Woodsman @Cat Creature @Pazzo the Ghost Clown @BooBeard and Skunkbeard get in here

also geno is lunch bomb lmao

 

[Wax Phantom]

Char is either lunch bomb or a miller

really don't know which is which

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Char is either lunch bomb or a miller

really don't know which is which

Neither.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

And of course now everyone is silent. I'm going to sleep.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Neither.

I miss when you play scum you actually played and didn't self denoatate because people are voting for you

ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING AND DEFEND YOURSELF

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I miss when you play scum you actually played and didn't self denoatate because people are voting for you

ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING AND DEFEND YOURSELF

Said the person who went afk and D2 and made 0 posts D3 because he's sitting on his claim and memeposts the rest of the time, he tells ME to do something, what a sick joke.

 

[BooBeard]

Okay I've done a thread re-read with the knowledge that Gnome is scum, looking for general interactions as well as interactions with Char who is the main wagon today.

Here is Gnome jumping on Hyde Day 2 after only 2 other votes on Hyde:

Yeah why not. Still okay with the other wagons, but Hyde has done nothing.

Vote: Hyde Monster

This leads me to further believe Hyde and Wax are indeed Masons.

Gnome defended Char pretty hard after only a few votes on him, which caused Snack to comment and then followed by further defense from Gnome:

If Char is who I think it is, then I get why he's concerned about some wacky powers after the last costume game. He also just feels like he's kind of on an island here, and those kills always don't work out. Feel like it's really easy to read his stand offishness as scum and I'm trying to avoid that mistake this time.

more interested in this soul read gnome gave on char. not sure who gnome thinks char is, not important. interested why gnome felt the need to defend char when there were two votes on him, and boo and anthos had more attention. gnome did comment on those two tbf, but char train was not gaining traction the same way

I defend people I think are town and people were talking about him.

Later, Snow Creature specifically asks Gnome what they think about Cat, making sure to indicate that "oh hey anyone else can comment too". Just kinda feels off to me as an interaction:

What are your thoughts on Cat? I was scum reading them but on a reread, I'm second guessing that. They're one I'm undecided about right now. That question's open to anyone, not just Gnome.

Gnome follows this up with some nothing thoughts:

@Snow Creature I remember not loving his posts at EoD, but I thought the meowing thing was more likely to be town and scum. I think he’s done a solid job today also. I like the work he’s putting in.

Nobody else responded to Snow Creature's inquiry, either.

So we've got a Gnome-Char connection and a Gnome-Snow Creature connection. What about a Char-Snow Creature connection?

Well, Snow Creature defended Char as well:

Also want to say in favour of Char, they were the first one to try to get people to talk serious, put down some reads and actual effort.

That seems town to me, scum would want to hide in the shitposting for longer.

Snow Creature's interaction with Gnome isn't anything too spicy, but combined with Snow seeming to pocket Pazzo earlier in the game, I am definitely starting to get more of a scum lean:

Fair enough. You're saying exactly what I'm thinking about people.

More potential pocketing:

Well... Can't argue with that lol. Fair enough.

Have I missed when people pointed out what Char did to get votes? Any specific evidence?

Final point of suspicion is that on Day 3, before Snack's reveal, they stated they wanted to get more into their thoughts on Skunkbeard *tomorrow*:

I can be here for this one post then I'm off to bed.

I have a list of people I want to do a reread for tomorrow since I think there has to be scum in some of the mid-level posters. That being: Stan, Kook, Baba, Gnome, Neon, and Woodsman.

Skunk doesn't look great for the reasons Boo said, but with so little to go on, it's hard to tell. I'll try to articulate those thoughts tomorrow.


Thanks for that Baba, I had a look and I'll mull over it. I'm worried Sans is pulling the wool over our eyes as well, but I'll have to do my own reread.

What I want is for Skunk to give us something. I know your post said you were struggling, but @Captain Skunkbeard it'd be great if you could give some reads and your thoughts on the game.

And @Char Gar Gothakon yesterday you said your only read was Wax. With the mason reveal, do you still feel this way? Ready to give any other reads yet?

With that, I'll see you all tomorrow.

This never happened after Snack's reveal, which I can understand because we turbo'd. Perhaps they forgot, or perhaps they wanted to let attention be elsewhere? However, I'd like to get back to it. @Snow Creature would you like to get into your thoughts on the Captain?

Overall I'm getting a scum lean for Snow Creature. I'm still feeling the Char vote. If Char flips scum I think Snow Creature could be a next logical choice.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

This is Ambulance so you should know my useless non-present game is NAI. Please give my replacement an honest shake.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Jeez, 6 votes on CGG that fast? I like the theory, but is there more to it? Like, do you have any interactions between CGG and Gnome worth looking at?

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

This is Ambulance so you should know my useless non-present game is NAI. Please give my replacement an honest shake.

Baby come back... you can blame it all on me

----

Anyways, work blew the fuck up and I had to work a solid four extra hours and have to work tomorrow now fixing everything. Then Sunday is a holiday, so just be prepared for spotty presence - sorry.

I'm struggling on buying into this current Char theory, primarily because if you're a weak cop and you're checking Ghost Bear who never did anything to look town then you're crumbing that shit. It would honestly be heinous play to throw yourself into what easily could be your death and not crumb it. On top of that... are we to believe Ghost Bear actually convinced Tech they were so absolutely town that Tech would pass on offing them just to be safe? It just seems really implausible especially when combined with the lack of a second death that night.

I want to go back and do some rereading when I get a chance, I definitely think I have blind spots this game and part of it is the struggle to acclimate to a costume game as opposed to just being able to more innately remember what people have done because of name familiarity. If there are any players specifically people want to see me look into go ahead and let me know, or if you have general questions. Right now though looking through the roster I'm not sure I could even give much of a read on Captain, Neon, and Kook so that's probably where I'll start.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

@The Ghost of Stealin Stan if TP suggested Gar as alternative lunch in D2 and then gossiped them in N2, why didn't they kill them that night?

pretty much what snow creature said. tp's read on gar was more of a light scum read, someone to throw out as a possibility. i don't think that he seriously suspected him, just that he wasn't in a mindset where he was thinking "i have a green check on that guy"

I think you could maybe explain it.

Here's the timeline. Here's where Tech says Char is a viable alt vote.


But then Char has their outburst that a lot of people (myself included) took at face value as frustrated town.


I think Tech was one of those people who bought it because then they say...


So it's not impossible. Still strange that Tech would take that gamble, though maybe they thought it was worth it at the start of the game with so many people still left.

I rembered why it seemed to convoluted to me @The Ghost of Stealin Stan . It's the missing night kill. Only one death that night leads to more assumptions we have to make

yeah, but the missing night kill is a complication whether my theory is right or not. we know that techno gossiped with mafia (or maybe the arsoninst) N2 because nobody has claimed as the gossip partner. Town would claim. so there's a night kill unaccounted for either way. either mafia got spooked & killed tp or the doctor saved.

Like seriously you believe the theory that N1 gossip was Ghost Bear, of all people he could've used it on, like just kill me man. Or, occams razor, I was n1 target, because if TP did it on me with the intent to out me he would've killed me, he clearly town read me, I claimed to him, and I have what, 6 votes on me already? Everyone just believed it right? Just because Snack's bullshit worked let's see if Stan's does too. Get it over with.

makes sense to me. admittedly ghost beard was a weird choice as a chat partner, but could be techno was trying to draw him out of his shell, or maybe he guessed on a meta read & was going from there, like everybody keeps doing. i obviously don't think that tp gossiped with you with the intent to kill you. i think he had a light town read on you at that point (after your geno claim) and he wanted to hear more from you.

can you please point to the post where he clearly town read you? I read every post that techno made in this game and somehow i seem to have missed that one.

I work 12 hours a day to come back to this shit, fuck.

btw i think this was a great mafia gambit. and if you're town, which i don't think you are, i apologize.

This is Ambulance so you should know my useless non-present game is NAI. Please give my replacement an honest shake.

i still suspect you, but don't call yourself useless, you rock! i hope you had some fun this game

Jeez, 6 votes on CGG that fast? I like the theory, but is there more to it? Like, do you have any interactions between CGG and Gnome worth looking at?

that was as far as i got looking into it, but i think baba's post on gnome's defenses of cgg is pretty revealing.

re we to believe Ghost Bear actually convinced Tech they were so absolutely town that Tech would pass on offing them just to be safe? It just seems really implausible especially when combined with the lack of a second death that night.

tech only had one vig shot. he wouldn't have to be absolutely convinced, just enough that he wouldn't want to waste the shot. not all players breadcrumb or are good at breadcrumbing, it's a personal style thing. he did his best to prevent ghost bear from being voted out.

i'm glad peopel are seeing my argument, but don't turbo. lots more to discuss.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Not everyone breadcrumbs is absolutely true, but if you’re a weak role and using it to check scummy people then you’re either leaving a hint or trash at the game. It’s not a “style” thing in that scenario.

And I still don’t see any way Ghost Bear would remotely convince someone of his towniness - I mean we sure as hell didn’t find him particularly town. It’s not like he had some good role claim to rely on either. Your theory assumes scum got gossiped N2, convinced Tech they were town, found out who his N1 target was, it was conveniently one of the only dead players, and they went ahead and used their shot on a gossip because...reasons or got perfectly blocked. That’s a lot of leaps to make. If there was additional reasoning that wasn’t just some Lifeline esque conspiracy theory maybe I’d feel better about exploring that path, but it just seems like frustrated town Geno. His D1 play was very similar to the last game and we know how that turned out lol

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Not everyone breadcrumbs is absolutely true, but if you’re a weak role and using it to check scummy people then you’re either leaving a hint or trash at the game. It’s not a “style” thing in that scenario.

And I still don’t see any way Ghost Bear would remotely convince someone of his towniness - I mean we sure as hell didn’t find him particularly town. It’s not like he had some good role claim to rely on either.

my theory doesn't require ghost bear to have convinced anyone of his towniness. Just that 1) tp chose him to gossip with and 2) tp wasn't convinved enough that he was mafia to use his vig shot

for 1), like i said, ghost bear was a null read for a lot of people, tp maybe thought he was a shy player & that he could get him to open up a bit more in a gossip chat. that's just a guess though -- admittedly it's a weird pick.

For 2) that's reasonable enough to me, because it's not like tp would have gone into the chat convinced that gb was mafia & with him having to prove his innocence. most players are town. gb just had to not give off any red flags that would make tp think that this was the one. and he didn't give off any red flags ... because he was town.

Your theory assumes scum got gossiped N2, convinced Tech they were town, found out who his N1 target was, it was conveniently one of the only dead players, and they went ahead and used their shot on a gossip because...reasons or got perfectly blocked. That’s a lot of leaps to make.

Leave my argument about CGG aside entirely. Who did Tech gossip with N2? No one has claimed. Even if I'm wrong about CGG, Tech has to have gossiped with mafia N2 (or the arsonist). There is no possible way he gossiped with town N2, because town would have claimed.

So, again leaving my theory about CGG aside entirely, N2 should have had two kills: the mafia night kill and the kill that came from CGG's weak modifier. A kill is unaccounted for. So this part of what you said "they went ahead and used their shot on a gossip because...reasons or got perfectly blocked" is true whether I'm right about CGG or not.

Finally, I don't think it's so weird that Tech would have revealed his n1 target to his n2 partner if he town read them. that's not an extra leap, that's just a normal way for a gossip to behave.

what you're portraying as "leaps" or "assumptions" are the theory that best fits the available facts. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure I'm right, but I'm pretty confident in this read.

If there was additional reasoning that wasn’t just some Lifeline esque conspiracy theory maybe I’d feel better about exploring that path, but it just seems like frustrated town Geno. His D1 play was very similar to the last game and we know how that turned out lol

geno is a good scum player and he knows how he acts as town. his behavior is NAI. I wouldn't vote him out based just on behavior but it's not exactly a town tell either.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I've read through the different supports of theory and I think it's solid but just a potential. Normally I would say what Geno needs to do here is show us some town behavior with strong hunting but tbh it feels like Geno actually does more "hunting" when he's bussing sometimes. Regardless I think we need counterwagons today and some deep dives on other players too, don't let people hide in just this idea. I'm going back to bed but tomorrow I'm planning on re-reading Woodsman, Kook, and Alien.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

I've read through the different supports of theory and I think it's solid but just a potential. Normally I would say what Geno needs to do here is show us some town behavior with strong hunting but tbh it feels like Geno actually does more "hunting" when he's bussing sometimes. Regardless I think we need counterwagons today and some deep dives on other players too, don't let people hide in just this idea. I'm going back to bed but tomorrow I'm planning on re-reading Woodsman, Kook, and Alien.

this i basically agree with, i want to have discussion of other players. i won't be around much consistently b/c of weekend plans but i'll try to read back on something outside of cgg. that said i don't see my vote changing unless there's some smoking gun. i feel pretty sure about this.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Also, hope you feel better san fran

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

forgot to add, i don't believe lightning's hinted claim & don't think it's worth focus. when he is town, jman always tries to gambit and make his role sound more exciting than it is. he feels pretty town to me right now. i think if he was mafia he would try to hide his id and get out of the jman meta.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Let me look through Char’s shit and add them to my list. I’m real skeptical on the order of operations in your theoryZ but maybe I’m being blinded by the emotion. I’m always a sucker for emotion

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Cowards face me while I’m drunk

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

@Lightning Strikes fuck you and your shitty clippers lol

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Cowaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaards

 

[Cat Creature]

meow

 

[Cat Creature]

im playing a game right now, but ill try to stop in before i go to bed to get my read list down

 

[Woodsman]

I don't like that this theory about CGG has taken off so quickly. While there is maybe some merit to it, the way everybody just sucked it up doesn't sit right with me.

 

[Hyde Monster]

Let me look through Char’s shit and add them to my list. I’m real skeptical on the order of operations in your theoryZ but maybe I’m being blinded by the emotion. I’m always a sucker for emotion

me too. I'm always a sucker for a good appeal to my emotions.

been burned by that by scum once or twice

 

[Hyde Monster]

so what we know:

tech most likely invited scum N2. nobody has claimed to have been the chat target N2. if you were and are town, this is the last moment to claim really.

but since nobody is claiming, it seems likely that it was scum. then scum killed tech either by the passive chat rules or by the night kill.

but was it char gar? stan's theory relies on tech inviting ghost bear on N1.

but would tech have claimed their role and given ghost bear a green check on D2 then? since at that point they would have been essentially a cop who'se green check was about to get mushed.

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snow ghost's green check isn't 100% confirmed, but right now concentrating on him would be FUD. I guess scum has a vanilla goon, that also acts as a godfather against the vanilla cop. probability of snack hitting a town vanilla vs the scum godfather-like is good tho. so i'd have ghost as... maybe 90% green.

why am i still awake. beauty sleep.

 

[Snow Ghost]

ooof i got demoted to a vt / goon. well it is better than getting caught by a vc and presumably using some abilities to certain the kill lul.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Good morning, random dream thoughts:

It would be hilarious if the Arsonist needs to find out our usernames to douse us. N1 failed, Cat and me would point to old guard

 

[Hyde Monster]

Good morning, random dream thoughts:

It would be hilarious if the Arsonist needs to find out our usernames to douse us. N1 failed, Cat and me would point to old guard

why not douse char gar then?

 

[Baba Yaga]

@Char Gar Gothakon should claim his "believable claim" that convinced Tech instead of throwing a fit.

This isn't towny behaviour so far. Go look at horror movie mafia from last year he did the same there (scream and be mad, claim at the latest possible point). He was scum.

 

[Baba Yaga]

why not douse char gar then?

Maybe they were afraid of an earlier death there? Why not Lightning is more interesting.

It was a random thought I had, don't think it's likely but would be funny.

A different question would be if we want to make life harder for the arsonist and lynch me before ignition.

 

[Snow Ghost]

RE: Scum Char by Stan.

"I'd be fine with voting for Ghost Bear", a man who had a green check on Ghost Bear. I want to say naaah but I know some folks put weight on staying more hidden and are more paranoid about Godfathers and stuff. I'll still say naaah though. The Frankenstein idea could work but IIRC D1 had no crumbs pointing toward it either so it is just a guess at best. I don't think we can disprove Char's claim through this but on the other hand, much like with Ghost Bear, surely Tech would've been opposed to voting Char if he had a green check on him.

If Techno had a green check on CCG N1, why did he never publicly town-read CCG D2? Why did he suggest CCG as a good alternate train to Ghost Bear? Why did he not vote ghost bear, the alternative train to his green check?

Indeed. There was no green check on Char, that's why. Char just saw an opportunity to survive with the gossip claim and he took it. Tunneling, extremely aggro when under heat, disinterested in contributing when given the chance to do so, manipulative with his claim. Well hidden is the supposed townie in all this scum.

 

[Snow Ghost]

@Char Gar Gothakon should claim his "believable claim" that convinced Tech instead of throwing a fit.

This isn't towny behaviour so far. Go look at horror movie mafia from last year he did the same there (scream and be mad, claim at the latest possible point). He was scum.

Seconded, all of it.

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A dangerous META READ but Skunk pulling the Ambulance card reads as town to me.

Not into hammer today, even though this phase will eventually be filled with people whining about the activity of others with this Snow more likely than not being one of the fools that is AFK. Gonna try to get my reads in order, could use a secondary, could check Char defenders with the obvious pre-flip disclaimers included...etc. We are in a bad position with both yesterday's and today's votes being moderately-to-rather certain from quite early on. Oh and the day before that too, this is D4 lol. We've bled more than talked and like Gnome's case shows, that is going to be taken advantage of.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Vote: Skunkbeard

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing for my survival regarding my role, either you believe it or not.

 

[Cat Creature]

N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.

 

[Cat Creature]

i mean

meow

 

[Cat Creature]

ok, im about to go to bed, but i promise i will sit down and play for a while when i get up

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

i mean

meow

I had figured it out from D2 but the Bosman gif gave me assurance.

 

[Woodsman]

My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.

Why didn't you check Jman?

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Why didn't you check Jman?

Lowkey forgot.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Like I'm hitting my head now for forgetting he claimed, I was going to make the same mistake N4 and not target hi.

 

[Snow Creature]

This never happened after Snack's reveal, which I can understand because we turbo'd. Perhaps they forgot, or perhaps they wanted to let attention be elsewhere? However, I'd like to get back to it. @Snow Creature would you like to get into your thoughts on the Captain?

Overall I'm getting a scum lean for Snow Creature. I'm still feeling the Char vote. If Char flips scum I think Snow Creature could be a next logical choice.

Yeah, this was going to be a topic for me, then I woke up the next day and the whole Gnome thing had happened. My plan was to put some pressure on Skunk and try to get something out of them, which they kind of did D3:

Snack is one of the players you feel best about, and yet when he red checks you, you jump right to him being scum completely ignoring the possibility of a redirect. Why would scum!Snack waste all of his towncred to falsely accuse you?

This was to Gnome. My gut says scum wouldn't push their teammate so hard when they're on the block, even with the red check. It read as town to me and is the sort of thing I wanted to see out of them D3. It's still not a lot, but I hope they can keep pulling comments like this out of the bag. I'd probably say I'm null on them now and want to look elsewhere. My goal today is to do some rereads, probably starting with Woodsman, Kook, and Alien who I'm not sure about.

Oh and I'm not ignoring the rest of your post on me. It's a bad look I know, so I'll try to put some work in.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Zzzz, anyone want to tell me reasons they think Skunk is town? I think he was the N2 target for TP.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

I love it how the game straight up died and everyone just believed the theory and don't want to work.

 

[Alien]

My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.

Surprised you didn't go for me to be honest.

 

[Snow Creature]

Zzzz, anyone want to tell me reasons they think Skunk is town? I think he was the N2 target for TP.

Well you can see my thoughts above. In short: I have no fuggin idea on Skunk, I keep flip-flopping.

But I'm currently checking Stan's theory to see if it holds water, so I'm rereading you. You asked this exact same question about Wax D1 (maybe D2). You've asked this of two people who don't have a lot of comments to back up a town read. A big hold up I currently have about you is it doesn't read like you're trying to solve, instead pushing others to do that work for you.

So why do you think Skunk is scum? And why do you think they in particular were Tech's N2 target?

 

[Baba Yaga]

Char is the arsonist confirmed.

3 shots after 3 times right sure, sure, how convenient. lol
But you put in effort give you that, always the crazy roles Char, this is not HvV