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Char Gar Gothakon

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Surprised you didn't go for me to be honest.
I have no idea who you are.
Well you can see my thoughts above. In short: I have no fuggin idea on Skunk, I keep flip-flopping.

But I'm currently checking Stan's theory to see if it holds water, so I'm rereading you. You asked this exact same question about Wax D1 (maybe D2). You've asked this of two people who don't have a lot of comments to back up a town read. A big hold up I currently have about you is it doesn't read like you're trying to solve, instead pushing others to do that work for you.

So why do you think Skunk is scum? And why do you think they in particular were Tech's N2 target?
TP mentioned him to me in our chat, he said tomorrow he might go there or Baba, I can't check now but d2 I think he voted Skunk, which makes me think he went there and for some reason didn't kill him.
 

Char Gar Gothakon

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Char is the arsonist confirmed.

3 shots after 3 times right sure, sure, how convenient. lol
But you put in effort give you that, always the crazy roles Char, this is not HvV
This claim is the biggest lie to help him survive one more night. "Forgot about Jman" lol come on man
You're getting ahead of yourself and contradicting yourself, if I were arso I would've doused jman since that's how you think it works. Jman isn't doused, 2nd of all why would I lie about Cat Creature being Fanto instead of taking the easy route and replacing Fanto with jman, I just forgot to target jman, that's all.
 

Snow Creature

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I have no idea who you are.

TP mentioned him to me in our chat, he said tomorrow he might go there or Baba, I can't check now but d2 I think he voted Skunk, which makes me think he went there and for some reason didn't kill him.
Just so you know, he didn't vote Skunk D2, went for Hyde, unvoted after mason claim, and didn't vote again.

Did Tech give you a reason why they wanted to go Skunk or Baba next?
 

Char Gar Gothakon

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Just so you know, he didn't vote Skunk D2, went for Hyde, unvoted after mason claim, and didn't vote again.

Did Tech give you a reason why they wanted to go Skunk or Baba next?
You're right, he didn't vote there. I don't have access to the chat but he said something along the lines of Baba was a null read and Skunk was a slight scum read, he didn't really give reasoning behind the reads, like I said it was like 5 messages.
 

Baba Yaga

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You're getting ahead of yourself and contradicting yourself, if I were arso I would've doused jman since that's how you think it works. Jman isn't doused, 2nd of all why would I lie about Cat Creature being Fanto instead of taking the easy route and replacing Fanto with jman, I just forgot to target jman, that's all.
Ah, no. You could be arsonist. No names bullshit.

You saying you are a name guesser and forgetting Jman and trying Stu instead is why you are full of shit.
Your role supposedly revolves around names and you forget the one who comes straight forward. Just Nope.
It gives you an easy out of not having any shots to call since you don't have them yet. It's a typical Geno fake claim.
 

Snow Creature

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You're right, he didn't vote there. I don't have access to the chat but he said something along the lines of Baba was a null read and Skunk was a slight scum read, he didn't really give reasoning behind the reads, like I said it was like 5 messages.
I just got to the part in D3 where you say that, so sorry for making you repeat yourself. It's a bit strange that Tech would consider a null and scum read to talk to given the risks of the role. If they did that they would have to be confident in their ability to sniff out scum. But I can't read the mind of a dead person so who knows.

A couple of days ago, you were asked about reads and the only scum lean you had was Wax. You got shit for it because it was your one and only scum read. Do you have an updated read list outside of Skunk (and I guess maybe Baba)?
 

Snow Ghost

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That could actually be his real role but nothing in it outright paints him as town. If anything, a role like that fits scum better than town since scum could brainstorm identities together. All the powers are fine scum powers as well.
 

Snow Ghost

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Scum Char either drops Jman from the claim in order to look more natural (it is townies who make mistakes after all), or it was just a honest mistake in a grand fake claim.
 

Char Gar Gothakon

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Ah, no. You could be arsonist. No names bullshit.

You saying you are a name guesser and forgetting Jman and trying Stu instead is why you are full of shit.
Your role supposedly revolves around names and you forget the one who comes straight forward. Just Nope.
It gives you an easy out of not having any shots to call since you don't have them yet. It's a typical Geno fake claim.
I mean as scum I could easily say Jman instead of Fanto, changes nothing, I made a mistake, either I did it as scum fakeclaiming or as town, take your pick, what you are saying now is bullshit and you know it.
I just got to the part in D3 where you say that, so sorry for making you repeat yourself. It's a bit strange that Tech would consider a null and scum read to talk to given the risks of the role. If they did that they would have to be confident in their ability to sniff out scum. But I can't read the mind of a dead person so who knows.

A couple of days ago, you were asked about reads and the only scum lean you had was Wax. You got shit for it because it was your one and only scum read. Do you have an updated read list outside of Skunk (and I guess maybe Baba)?
I think he probably wanted to utilize the vigilante part of the role before it was too late and people started questioning him, just my guess. Baba idk, if Skunk is scum I think Baba is probably not, if Skunk isn't then it might be Baba. I will echo the thoughts of others about town leaders being dangerous and needing a look, Sans was before but not as much now, Stan is taking that role. Mason pair is probably town, Snow Ghost needs a second look later in the game if a goon doesn't flip. As for what you said before about me wanting others to do the work, I literally don't have time, I work as a waiter from 1 pm to 1 am and normally can't look at my phone at all, all of this is at the risk of being fired, and I come back and the only person talking is Wax trolling me, a person who landed a believeable claim and is shitposting the whole time without the need to scumhunt, like I'm sorry I didn't land doctor and I landed a role I have to guess identities and do extra work, I haven't even had a chance to reread the game, until now I thought TP voted Skunk D2. If I survive today I'm replacing out, it's too much on me rn.
That could actually be his real role but nothing in it outright paints him as town. If anything, a role like that fits scum better than town since scum could brainstorm identities together. All the powers are fine scum powers as well.
Yes, I have no way to prove this is a town role, you believe me or you don't.
 

Snow Creature

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I mean as scum I could easily say Jman instead of Fanto, changes nothing, I made a mistake, either I did it as scum fakeclaiming or as town, take your pick, what you are saying now is bullshit and you know it.
Thanks for using your limited time on that answer then.

On the JMan thing, why not use him for the next night's guess?

My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.
You even acknowledge here that JMan's an entity in this game. Yet you're thinking about guessing Baba or Neon? If you know a guaranteed one, okay you might have forgotten it, but now you clearly remember, why not now? Can you explain your reasoning here?
 
[She/Her] Cat Creature - UTC has replaced Cat Creature

To be clear this is the same cat creature, they just requested a change in pronouns
 

Hyde Monster

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this gar claim stinks because obvs he would have guessed me!

Good morning, random dream thoughts:

It would be hilarious if the Arsonist needs to find out our usernames to douse us. N1 failed, Cat and me would point to old guard
Maybe they were afraid of an earlier death there? Why not Lightning is more interesting.

It was a random thought I had, don't think it's likely but would be funny.

A different question would be if we want to make life harder for the arsonist and lynch me before ignition.

Char is the arsonist confirmed.

3 shots after 3 times right sure, sure, how convenient. lol
But you put in effort give you that, always the crazy roles Char, this is not HvV

are you more interested in finding the arsonist than scum?
 

Char Gar Gothakon

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Thanks for using your limited time on that answer then.

On the JMan thing, why not use him for the next night's guess?


You even acknowledge here that JMan's an entity in this game. Yet you're thinking about guessing Baba or Neon? If you know a guaranteed one, okay you might have forgotten it, but now you clearly remember, why not now? Can you explain your reasoning here?
I think in my head I had jman as jman and not as lightning and is why I keep mentioning him but didn't guess him. Like yeah not that you guys reminded me I'm gonna guess jman tomorrow, it really just went over my head.
 

Lightning Strikes

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@Lightning Strikes fuck you and your shitty clippers lol
I'm still hyped out of my mind. FIRST WCF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.
Ok so we established real identity is important and scum probably has an ability that interacts with it.

So why on earth would you Out town members real names if you are actually playing for our team?
 

Snow Creature

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I think in my head I had jman as jman and not as lightning and is why I keep mentioning him but didn't guess him. Like yeah not that you guys reminded me I'm gonna guess jman tomorrow, it really just went over my head.
Okay. Sorry I'm on you so much, I have a lot of questions after rereading you and I'm trying to get in your head.

Early on, you asked JMan why he would reveal himself, worried that scum had a power that used it (coloured by your apparent ability).

So why now are you outing Fanto and potentially Baba and Neon? You even said yourself that scum might have a mirror of your power.
My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.
 

Hyde Monster

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Good morning, random dream thoughts:

It would be hilarious if the Arsonist needs to find out our usernames to douse us. N1 failed, Cat and me would point to old guard
Char is the arsonist confirmed.

3 shots after 3 times right sure, sure, how convenient. lol
But you put in effort give you that, always the crazy roles Char, this is not HvV

Then we have Babs guess Gar's role very very close, how very convenient.
 

Hyde Monster

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Timeline doesn't fit so far. Gar claims to have guessed Cat N3, but Cat claims dousing happened N2. Convenient that Babs is part of the 'possible future claims' when Babs claimed douse N3.
 

Captain Skunkbeard

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i find CGG’s claim unconvincing as town, partly from acting the angry geno without cause.

vote: woodsman

Based on no re-reading and hardly paying attention to the thread before replacing in, I want to look here. If TP was really LP which is possible, I don’t exactly doubt the player-guessing mechanic part, then I don’t know who woodsman is, that was my guess before.

Not sure the sparks roleplay was roleplay anymore, been too many days with it. Pinging the dead is a master stroke if fake.

Depending on CGG flip may want to look at lightning. That could be roleplay too, could explain the failure to check.
 

Cat Creature

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TOWN
Hyde/Wax
San
Baba
Snow Ghost
Neon
Lightning
Stan
Boobeard
Pazzo

EVERYONE ELSE
Snow Creature
Kook
Alien
Skunk
Woodsman
Char


That's basically how things are sorting out in my mind right meow. I will say that I do not trust my Pazzo read worth shit, and San makes me paranoid, but that's my Town grouping for meow.

The everyone else pile is where I need to start digging in and looking at ISOs. I've got time meow so I'll likely be around for a while doing just that.


On the topic of Char Gar, the following posts are the ones I agree with the most on the matter:
so what we know:

tech most likely invited scum N2. nobody has claimed to have been the chat target N2. if you were and are town, this is the last moment to claim really.

but since nobody is claiming, it seems likely that it was scum. then scum killed tech either by the passive chat rules or by the night kill.

but was it char gar? stan's theory relies on tech inviting ghost bear on N1.

but would tech have claimed their role and given ghost bear a green check on D2 then? since at that point they would have been essentially a cop who'se green check was about to get mushed.
RE: Scum Char by Stan.

"I'd be fine with voting for Ghost Bear", a man who had a green check on Ghost Bear. I want to say naaah but I know some folks put weight on staying more hidden and are more paranoid about Godfathers and stuff. I'll still say naaah though. The Frankenstein idea could work but IIRC D1 had no crumbs pointing toward it either so it is just a guess at best. I don't think we can disprove Char's claim through this but on the other hand, much like with Ghost Bear, surely Tech would've been opposed to voting Char if he had a green check on him.



Indeed. There was no green check on Char, that's why. Char just saw an opportunity to survive with the gossip claim and he took it. Tunneling, extremely aggro when under heat, disinterested in contributing when given the chance to do so, manipulative with his claim. Well hidden is the supposed townie in all this scum.
That could actually be his real role but nothing in it outright paints him as town. If anything, a role like that fits scum better than town since scum could brainstorm identities together. All the powers are fine scum powers as well.
Scum Char either drops Jman from the claim in order to look more natural (it is townies who make mistakes after all), or it was just a honest mistake in a grand fake claim.
The theory from Stan doesn't fully gel with me, but it's definitely worth pointing out all the things that don't quite add up here for us with the supposed Gossip targets, something is definitely fishy there. Nothing about the Char role claim tells me he has to be Town here either, could be, but it could also be a total bullshit claim (very Geno claim tbh) or it could be a Scum role. The bit about him forgetting Jman is... a tough pill for me to swallow, unless I think of this as a bullshit claim he just came up with on the spot and later realized he goofed it a bit lol.
 

Captain Skunkbeard

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The purpose of a TOWN vanilla cop is interesting; it suggests a lack of tracking roles. So the claim there of getting a tracking shot doesn’t seem to fit in the setup which doesn’t feel role madness so far, lots of vanillas around etc.

Also since a scum tailoring role flipped, I doubt there is other role card changing roles.
 

Cat Creature

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Looking over Spooky Space Kook right now, I like her EoD2 a lot. She just felt really active and engaged with things while she was around, not impossible for Scum to fake, but it gave me good vibes. Everything else looks fine to my eyes too, though she's been less active lately which is a bit of a bummer.
 

Lightning Strikes

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You caught up that fast? Wow.

I assume you were spectating the thread the whole game.
Oops your not a nes person that's skunk. Well skunk I'm impressed you caught up so fast.

The bit about him forgetting Jman is... a tough pill for me to swallow
It's not just forgetting its forgetting For 4 days in a row.

I claimed real identity Day 1 and there has been multiple reminders from different posters every single day since.

His role is literally to read people's identities to active his power it's the number 1 thing a player will focus on and 3 straight nights of never targeting me.

I just cant believe that level of gross incompetence.
 

Spooky Space Kook

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My role:
I have to guess the identity of a player, if right 3 times I get the 3 following:
1 Double Vote
1 Roleblock
1 Track
N1. TP - LP, correct. (He told me this after I told him my role, but I had a hunch anyway).
N2. Skunkbeard - Stu, wrong.
N3. Cat Creature - Fanto, correct.
Today I was going to do Baba - Eddy/Gorlak or Neon Phantom - Ephi. That's why I was specific earlier when I told jman that, I'm sure if town has this scum might as well.

This feels like too convenient of a claim to be honest, and it doesn't sound like a town role either. I could see a town role getting a power if they got one right, but to require you to get 3 for 3 powers? That feels scummy or neutral at best, with some details left out. It's also conveniently in a state where you can't confirm any of those powers because it requires all 3
 

Hyde Monster

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Does hyde really have only 12 posts in the whole game or does the profile only give that many per page? I can’t find a next page button.

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(i'm pretty sure i have more than 12 posts)
 

Spooky Space Kook

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A town role with any 1 of those would be strong, but all 3? That's a crazy amount of strength for one town role, and I just can't see that happening based on flips so far
 

Neon Phantom

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Does hyde really have only 12 posts in the whole game or does the profile only give that many per page? I can’t find a next page button.
You need to click the "see more" button on the far right of the grey bar that shows up beneath the most recent posts it shows on the postings page.
It's near invisible on my monitor too, but trust me, there is a button there.
 

Captain Skunkbeard

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I didn’t catch up, I was on replacements and read casually.

There seems no reason to view boobeard as town. The only thing I remember from them was desperation to not be voted out, which is often scummy since that damages the chance to win.
 

Hyde Monster

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Profile page should have a small "Find" button, which then leads to "Find all content by Hyde Monster" or something similar.
 

Cat Creature

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Does hyde really have only 12 posts in the whole game or does the profile only give that many per page? I can’t find a next page button.
The button to see the rest is in the lower right, its shaded almost the same color as the background, kind of how the spoiler tags are on here, but it does exist lol.
 

Lightning Strikes

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This feels like too convenient of a claim to be honest, and it doesn't sound like a town role either. I could see a town role getting a power if they got one right, but to require you to get 3 for 3 powers? That feels scummy or neutral at best, with some details left out. It's also conveniently in a state where you can't confirm any of those powers because it requires all 3
Same thoughts that's why I asked him to double confirm his powers work like that.

Having to wait until Day 4 at the earliest to use that set of powers.

That's if you guess perfect which is very unlikely.

I dont think town Jack of all role in a regular not tole madness game where the player needs to survive 5 to 6 days or be very lucky is gonna make it past Balance overview.

Seems week and incredibly hard to pull off and get value and game runners usually want to see there roles used
 

Spooky Space Kook

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Same thoughts that's why I asked him to double confirm his powers work like that.

Having to wait until Day 4 at the earliest to use that set of powers.

That's if you guess perfect which is very unlikely.

I dont think town Jack of all role in a regular not tole madness game where the player needs to survive 5 to 6 days or be very lucky is gonna make it past Balance overview.

Seems week and incredibly hard to pull off and get value and game runners usually want to see there roles used

ID'ing people would be pretty dependent on the number of new players and replacements as well, so I can believe that CGG's role relies on who people are behind the mask in some way, but it feels like it's working with another role that is ID'ing people.
 

Hyde Monster

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Since i’m thinking char gar isn’t town for sure, he could not have been n1 right? Or TP would have died earlier?
Wouldnt put that play past scum!geno.

If Char Gar is scum, they couldn't have been invited in N1 to the chat. However, according to your theory the red check came from TP telling Snacks who was the N2 target, right? In that case:

1. Why would Snacks put the red check on Gnome if TP told Snacks he was inviting Char Gar
2. Alternatively: If Scum Gar was never invited N2, why would Gar bother to make the lie about being visited N1? They could have been found immediately, especially because Scooby Snack was still alive when Gar made this claim.
 

Captain Skunkbeard

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If Char Gar is scum, they couldn't have been invited in N1 to the chat. However, according to your theory the red check came from TP telling Snacks who was the N2 target, right? In that case:

1. Why would Snacks put the red check on Gnome if TP told Snacks he was inviting Char Gar
2. Alternatively: If Scum Gar was never invited N2, why would Gar bother to make the lie about being visited N1? They could have been found immediately, especially because Scooby Snack was still alive when Gar made this claim.
Oh, was he? Nvm then. very lost on the timeline here.
That other person’s convoluted explanation didn’t sound likely to me, but gar’s claim is enough to put him in my “flip now” pile.
 

Cat Creature

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Alien has had some memorable moments, he's still most notable in my mind for confirming Boobeard as a newbie on D1. Posts like the ones in #949, #1328, and #1437 have reads. He's been maintaining at least a light Scum read on Snow Ghost for a while, which I definitely don't agree with, so that sticks out to me a bit. One thing I find interesting is his complete lack of reaction to the red check on Gnome other than saying he was ok with trusting it in #1517. In #1328 right at EoD2, he put Gnome in an "undecided" section in his read list, but then had nothing to say the next day about the check. Outside of the posts with reads, it feels like a lot of coasting, small comments here and there, defending himself a bit, but nothing to rock the boat too much other than coming to the defense of Boo on D1.

Very unimpressed with him so far I'd say, he's def in my PoE for meow.
 

Hyde Monster

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Oh, was he? Nvm then. very lost on the timeline here.
That other person’s convoluted explanation didn’t sound likely to me, but gar’s claim is enough to put him in my “flip now” pile.

Technicolor Phantom died N2 (The weak gossip)
Scooby Snack red-checked Gnome and Char Gar claimed to be N1 gossip target during D3.
Scooby Snack died N3.
Today is D4.
 

Captain Skunkbeard

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Technicolor Phantom died N2 (The weak gossip)
Scooby Snack red-checked Gnome and Char Gar claimed to be N1 gossip target during D3.
Scooby Snack died N3.
Today is D4.
Then my concept still stands! Gar claiming to be gossiped after gossip died could be a scum attempt to self clear….but all scum would have heard about the gossip’s abilities so it wouldn’t mean scum!gar had to have been directly selected. A teammate could have been. Doesn’t explain snacks not countering it tho. Anyway.

trying to understand snacks’ thought process on the red check could wait until spec.
 

Hyde Monster

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Then my concept still stands! Gar claiming to be gossiped after gossip died could be a scum attempt to self clear….but all scum would have heard about the gossip’s abilities so it wouldn’t mean scum!gar had to have been directly selected. A teammate could have been. Doesn’t explain snacks not countering it tho. Anyway.

trying to understand snacks’ thought process on the red check could wait until spec.

I just don't see any scenario where Snacks would hide this information when Char Gar claims something that would directly implicate him. This is way more far-fetched than my theory about Babs and Meows.
 

San Franpsycho

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Looking over Spooky Space Kook right now, I like her EoD2 a lot. She just felt really active and engaged with things while she was around, not impossible for Scum to fake, but it gave me good vibes. Everything else looks fine to my eyes too, though she's been less active lately which is a bit of a bummer.
Can you tell me why? I keep waiting for someone to tell me why and that "I'll vote here but do absolutely nothing at all to pursue it" feels like a soft bus to me, but every time I ask I get nothing. I think this is the one place where I disagree with the prevailing thoughts in the thread, but I REALLY disagree.
 

Cat Creature

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Snow Creature's ISO seems fine to me tbh, I remember why I turned around on him on D2 and it's because he is definitely putting in some effort and solid work, he can make some big posts, asks good questions imo, just isn't too active. I think one of the reasons I don't remember him as much is that I sometimes attribute his posts to Snow Ghost in my mind, who I already am Town leaning on here lol.

Don't think I'd put SC as a top concern of mine, so he can leave my current suspect pile for meow.


I've got Skunk and Woodsman left to do. I'll say this, I had been Meta reading Skunk as Ambulance before the replacement and was mostly ambivalent about the slot. I'm pretty sure I know exactly who just took over, and I'd say that I like that she's hit the ground running and I'll be interested to continue hearing her thoughts.

I'll do Woodsman next and then chill for a bit. There might be some people in my Town pile I should go over again too. Mainly Pazzo, because I feel like someone is going to need to do a Pazzo Deep Dive at some point lol.
 

BooBeard

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I don't believe Char's role claim. It seems pretty far-fetched and difficult to use as a town role. It could be their actual role but as scum or even neutral like others have speculated but I'm not buying it for town.
 

Cat Creature

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Can you tell me why? I keep waiting for someone to tell me why and that "I'll vote here but do absolutely nothing at all to pursue it" feels like a soft bus to me, but every time I ask I get nothing. I think this is the one place where I disagree with the prevailing thoughts in the thread, but I REALLY disagree.
A soft bus with a vote on Char Gar? Is that what you're talking about?
 

San Franpsycho

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Does hyde really have only 12 posts in the whole game or does the profile only give that many per page? I can’t find a next page button.
It's at the bottom and on the default theme it's super hard to see because it's like one shade different in color, but it's on the bottom right after you go to the profile and click "postings."
 

San Franpsycho

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A soft bus with a vote on Char Gar? Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah. Because it's just a dead vote. It LOOKS a lot like the Hyde votes that happened but with no pressure, no nothing, right? No follow up. It's like this:

Kook says nothing about Char prior to that vote except for a soft defense
Kook votes Char, offers no pursuit, no nothing-
-but does post one semi-anti-Char thing that day. Char does not flip
Next day, Kook townreads Char for ??reasons??

Why is that town?
 

San Franpsycho

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Honestly that d2 for me all but locks Kook is a partner if Char is scum and still looks bad if Char somehow flips town (but that claim is as bad as Gnome's lol). But if Char does flip scum, I really can't see how people are townreading that d2.
 

Baba Yaga

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@Cat Creature do you think Sans could be arsonist? She is my only other guess besides char, the comment about you being doused, drop in activity after being safely townread enough early, handwaving incinsistency in her reads (snow c) and the 180 in reading me without any explanation at all really don't make me feel good.

Especially backing off of me has me weirded out because it feels like an attempt to stop me from paying attention to her.

Also I thought you were kyan, all the played late at night came across as hiding EU timezone lol. Did you by any chance try that?
 

Hyde Monster

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Right now my biggest question mark regarding Char Gar (I keep pronouncing this as Jar Jar, sorry) is this:

If they are a neutral arsonist, have they doused scum? If they have, would it be beneficial for town to let the scum to ignite? That's why I've been curious about the reactions with Gnome and Babs about the arsonist right now. Scum would have all the reasons to redirect the hunt towards a neutral, especially if they are in danger.

So if we vote out Gar and they are neutral, we could give scum a big win indirectly. Crisis averted for them plus town has forgotten to scum hunt.

That said, I agree that it's looking very unlikely for Gar to be town. But I want to see him claim his real role.
 

Cat Creature

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Yeah. Because it's just a dead vote. It LOOKS a lot like the Hyde votes that happened but with no pressure, no nothing, right? No follow up. It's like this:

Kook says nothing about Char prior to that vote except for a soft defense
Kook votes Char, offers no pursuit, no nothing-
-but does post one semi-anti-Char thing that day. Char does not flip
Next day, Kook townreads Char for ??reasons??

Why is that town?
Huh... I'll be honest I completely missed that read list in #1366 when checking the ISO. That whole thing is kind of.... yikes. Lightning as the top Scum read? And shouting out the Arsonist as a possible reason (neutral hunting, big yikes). Gnome is also in kind of a happy place in that list, above a bunch of other people she's calling Scum instead.

Char flips Scum, I'd want to see Kook's flip for sure. Even without it, possible connection to Gnome.

Fuck, that read list was the key to a much more solid read on her lol.
 

San Franpsycho

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@San Franpsycho did you douse me please be honest
The last thing I would do as an arsonist is douse anyone who is up my ass. It seems like a poor play. I expect the arsonist is one of the bumblefucks who is half ghosting the thread. This is a perpetual problem that is compounded by the costume structure, because you have:

-some people who just legit don't post much ever
-some people who are hiding so they don't get caught out
-some people who just don't know how to actually make themselves a presence so instead make themselves a target

I think the theory that Char-Geno may be the arsonist is fair because if there is a missing douse, identity guess is a good reason why, and that claim is so bad I can't imagine it was actually built with a scum team. But Geno being Geno, he is a loose cannon so it could just be that he did whatever without consulting anyone. It's hard to say. I would give that one a 50/50 between scum or arsonist (I do not think there is much if any chance at this point that he's town).

But no, I'm not the arsonist. Nor am I a firefighter. If we have one, I hope they stay quiet and just clear up the doused people.
 

Cat Creature

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@Cat Creature do you think Sans could be arsonist? She is my only other guess besides char, the comment about you being doused, drop in activity after being safely townread enough early, handwaving incinsistency in her reads (snow c) and the 180 in reading me without any explanation at all really don't make me feel good.

Especially backing off of me has me weirded out because it feels like an attempt to stop me from paying attention to her.

Also I thought you were kyan, all the played late at night came across as hiding EU timezone lol. Did you by any chance try that?
That's very Sans behavior though in general. Not sure about the drop in activity, it's hard for me to judge without proper post count tracking.

The point about her interactions with you is definitely worth considering though.


Also, yeah I figured you didn't know who I actually was when you made a comment about guessing the other day because it seemed off lol. I wasn't trying to hide time zone though, it's just easier lately for me to play Mafia at night before I go to bed to keep me from thinking about it all day and getting too absorbed into the games lol.
 

San Franpsycho

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Also, I was going to say this at day start, but I was feeling too shitty. Not 100% today but at least I don't feel like I'm dying.

Anyway, I'm dropping my cosplay. I was really hoping to come in here and just NOT BE ME for a game, but I forgot to change my pronouns, which kinda ruins it. My cosplay was actually pretty good - I will talk about what I did postgame - but pronouns fucked me since there are only a handful of us who play regularly and no matter what I did after that someone was going to just assume me regardless. But god it would have been nice to not have to fight over my personhood and identity for fucking once. Oh well. Maybe next costume game.
 

San Franpsycho

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Right now I just don't see Gar's actions fit the profile of a scum either.
There's no profile for a scum. Especially when you're talking about the man who once STARTED A TRAIN on his own teammate for a slip that could have easily been saved (that was also a costume game).

Geno's claim doesn't fit the game profile. Why those powers? Why based on identity? Why those guesses? How would Geno guess those people and not jman? It just doesn't make sense. Stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes and just read what is.
 

Cat Creature

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I was hoping to stay cameowflaged somewhat, but I also knew there was no way to hide my posting style from people when I actually got down to business, I imagine more than just Geno had guessed me lol.
 

Hyde Monster

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There's no profile for a scum. Especially when you're talking about the man who once STARTED A TRAIN on his own teammate for a slip that could have easily been saved (that was also a costume game).

Geno's claim doesn't fit the game profile. Why those powers? Why based on identity? Why those guesses? How would Geno guess those people and not jman? It just doesn't make sense. Stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes and just read what is.

I just don't see scum gar being this incompetent about his role. But to be fair, I don't think I've never seen scum geno play (take this as a hint to my real identity, don't care enough), but I have seen town geno self-destruct more than once.
 

San Franpsycho

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I was hoping to stay cameowflaged somewhat, but I also knew there was no way to hide my posting style from people when I actually got down to business, I imagine more than just Geno had guessed me lol.
You are one of the few who I personally found pretty obvious, haha. I did not know who Baba was until Geno outed there and then it clicked. A lot of people just blend, but you have a very off-the-cuff casual quality that is pretty unique.

Speaking of, too, I know it's been said, but the casual outing of people in that way is also not townie behavior. I think that was the turn for me - just outing people like that in a costume game is pretty shitty, but it looks like it's come from both town and scum this game so it's whatever, but it felt scummy from Geno as part of that claim.

If he actually has a double, I would reconsider, but otherwise... nah.
 

Hyde Monster

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Also, I was going to say this at day start, but I was feeling too shitty. Not 100% today but at least I don't feel like I'm dying.

Anyway, I'm dropping my cosplay. I was really hoping to come in here and just NOT BE ME for a game, but I forgot to change my pronouns, which kinda ruins it. My cosplay was actually pretty good - I will talk about what I did postgame - but pronouns fucked me since there are only a handful of us who play regularly and no matter what I did after that someone was going to just assume me regardless. But god it would have been nice to not have to fight over my personhood and identity for fucking once. Oh well. Maybe next costume game.

if it helps at all, I was 100% sure until now that you are someone with not those pronouns. and now I'm not sure at all who you are. don't tell me.

(i've tried actively to not make guesses about anyone's identities outside Geno, who just felt really obvious after a while).
 

San Franpsycho

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I just don't see scum gar being this incompetent about his role. But to be fair, I don't think I've never seen scum geno play (take this as a hint to my real identity, don't care enough), but I have seen town geno self-destruct more than once.
Stan's theory is pretty convoluted. I was not sold on that alone - felt like a bit of a reach. And I'll say this - I said it before, too - the one hesitation I have is that Geno is doing absolutely nothing in this game and scumGeno at least buses in a pretty aggro fashion. That hasn't happened. If I have any hesitancy, it's there... but you can't do that if you're the arsonist, which could explain it.

But how do you explain that claim? Do you think that role is in the game?
 

San Franpsycho

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if it helps at all, I was 100% sure until now that you are someone with not those pronouns. and now I'm not sure at all who you are. don't tell me.

(i've tried actively to not make guesses about anyone's identities outside Geno, who just felt really obvious after a while).
It makes me feel marginally better that maybe I convinced someone, I guess!

(I don't see much point in guessing either but some people are just obvious. It's natural to identify a few.)
 

Hyde Monster

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Stan's theory is pretty convoluted. I was not sold on that alone - felt like a bit of a reach. And I'll say this - I said it before, too - the one hesitation I have is that Geno is doing absolutely nothing in this game and scumGeno at least buses in a pretty aggro fashion. That hasn't happened. If I have any hesitancy, it's there... but you can't do that if you're the arsonist, which could explain it.

But how do you explain that claim? Do you think that role is in the game?

Right now my headspace is here:

GenoGar is a neutral arsonist. Someone who has accidentally doused one or two scum, so scum has an active reason to divert the hunt towards him.

It's possible that scum has a role cop who found out about him in N3.

What I don't know is if it's town's best interest to vote GenoGar today.
 

San Franpsycho

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Especially backing off of me has me weirded out because it feels like an attempt to stop me from paying attention to her.
I would like to address this.

I was never ON you. You have had this idea the whole time that I've been doing some kind of nefarious shit, but YOU are the one who made it all about something between us, not me. I defended Boo. Why? Because I know cosplay and identity lies by themselves are NAI. Why/how? Not only because I was doing it for completely non-game-related-reasons, but also because someone always does it. Same with emotional please. I just read past it. I don't care. Anyone can do that. Pathos is cheap and easy.

I was not on you. I'm not on you. I'm not interested in you. Why would I be? You seem to be town. Why in the entire nation of fuck would I want to fight with you or extend some goofy ass rivalry you constructed? To what point? It's exhausting. I tried to correct your constructed narratives where I felt they were wrong and otherwise I don't care. Do your thing.
 

Cat Creature

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So Woodsman was on Char pretty strongly on D1, voted there and said he was raising "major red flags". I don't really think this is a bus? #530, #536 are the D1 posts, then I asked him to explain more on D2, which he did in #876, and he stayed interested in Char throughout the day, putting his vote down there in #1150. He somewhat backed off after the claim of being the Gossip target, hasn't been around much today so hard to judge where he's at now. I don't think they talked about or had any interactions with Gnome.

If Char flipped Scum, then I'd have to think that Woodsman was basically bussing him since D1. Possible, I guess, wouldn't be my first idea though. Char flips Neutral or somehow Town, then Woods can probably stay in the PoE.
 

San Franpsycho

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Now, if you want to say I was "on" Baba d1, sure, I did not much townread Baba d1 but I didn't much townread most of the game d1, because people were faceless, quiet, not doing much or actively getting in the way of doing things. But after that? Nah. I have not pursued Baba nor have I been interested in pursuing Baba, so we can put that one to bed.
 

Spooky Space Kook

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Huh... I'll be honest I completely missed that read list in #1366 when checking the ISO. That whole thing is kind of.... yikes. Lightning as the top Scum read? And shouting out the Arsonist as a possible reason (neutral hunting, big yikes). Gnome is also in kind of a happy place in that list, above a bunch of other people she's calling Scum instead.

Char flips Scum, I'd want to see Kook's flip for sure. Even without it, possible connection to Gnome.

Fuck, that read list was the key to a much more solid read on her lol.

I mean, we have an arsonist in the game, there's nothing wrong with neutral hunting seeing as there are quite a few people alive that are in danger of just being out of the game any day now. And it wasn't like I was digging deep to look for it, Lightning made some posts taunting town about that being the last day possible to take him out and then self-voted for himself. It seemed like a cocky neutral play, which I could see an arsonist doing if they thought they had won

If you find that suspicious, that's fine I guess, but don't let anyone set up any flip chains as that's just never a good idea
 

San Franpsycho

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If you find that suspicious, that's fine I guess, but don't let anyone set up any flip chains as that's just never a good idea
Nah, no one's setting up flip chains and we're not doing this subtle manipulation. The fact of the matter is that your "pursuit" of Char was not pursuit at all and it reflects on you and will get read and parsed after he flips.
 
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