Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

[San Franpsycho]

If Char flips red, that D2(?) vote against him feels relatively green to me

Why

For like the fourth time, anyone, why does this nothing vote d2 seem so town to people? Char was under so little actual threat - so little that someone (Scoobs?) even laughed it off and apologized. That's the perfect performative bus vote. Please, for the love of god, tell me why you think it's townie.

 

[Woodsman]

I wouldn't necessarily think the votes on Char are Town, but I'd certainly take a look at people that pushed for Ghost Bear after other wagons started forming even if they ultimately didn't reach any threatening level.

 

[Hyde Monster]

hey hey hey

back from work. did i miss anything?

 

[San Franpsycho]

I wouldn't necessarily think the votes on Char are Town, but I'd certainly take a look at people that pushed for Ghost Bear after other wagons started forming even if they ultimately didn't reach any threatening level.

Why though

 

[San Franpsycho]

So Woodsman was on Char pretty strongly on D1, voted there and said he was raising "major red flags". I don't really think this is a bus? #530, #536 are the D1 posts, then I asked him to explain more on D2, which he did in #876, and he stayed interested in Char throughout the day, putting his vote down there in #1150. He somewhat backed off after the claim of being the Gossip target, hasn't been around much today so hard to judge where he's at now. I don't think they talked about or had any interactions with Gnome.

If Char flipped Scum, then I'd have to think that Woodsman was basically bussing him since D1. Possible, I guess, wouldn't be my first idea though. Char flips Neutral or somehow Town, then Woods can probably stay in the PoE.

@Woodsman

I think Cat makes a really good point here and I see your frustration. I really do not mean to add to it. But look at it this way - you've been continually sus on Char. So where are connections? Surely you can start there even if you don't have vote data.

Related: has anyone else engaged with this find or have people just kept throwing Woodsman in the PoE? Because I'll say I find it relatively convincing.

 

[Woodsman]

I don't know. At this point I'm more expecting him to flip neutral tbh.

 

[Woodsman]

Why though

If Char is Scum, then Scum obviously doesn't want him to die D2. I know the wagons didn't reach critical mass, but I feel like there was a genuine interest, before people started abandoning for Ghost Bear again.

 

[Hyde Monster]

I DON'T KNOW HER TIER LIST

Tier 3 Mariah Careys:

NEON PHANTOM!
WOODSMAN!
BOOBEARD!

Tier 2 Mariah Careys:

ALIEN!
LIGHTNING STRIKES!
PAZZO THE GHOST CLOWN!

Tier 1 Mariah Careys:

CAT CREATURE!
THE GHOST OF STEALIN STAN!

 

[Woodsman]

I'll have to give the situation D2 a proper reread, but it looks like Gnome was also late on the Ghost Bear vote, so there is precedent for Scum discouraging other wagons.

 

[Woodsman]

Actually if Char flips neutral, I'd like to take a look at Snow Creature, because he was another failed wagon on D2.

 

[San Franpsycho]

So Sans wants credit for this posts. Let's give it to her. She called out the scum switch before there was even the slightest sign of a switcher. Wonder how that happened, huh?

I don't even understand the argumentation. If there is a switcher I'd be more inclined to think of it when faking my claim, especially when I am the switcher and avoid any connections to others anyway (like in Gnome's position).

Well actually-- I'm gonna go ahead and correct the bolded portion here.

In the post you quote, Gnome had said switch. I was reacting to what he said when he acted as though the only reason for a red check was a switch when we all know there could be several reasons. It's curse of knowledge. Gnome knew there was a switch in the game (and may have used it) so jumped immediately to that instead of actually speculating in any real way. It's a massive red flag in situations like this.

Why are you so determined to twist anything and everything I say?

As for "credit," I addressed that in my earlier longer post.

 

[Snow Ghost]

Why

For like the fourth time, anyone, why does this nothing vote d2 seem so town to people? Char was under so little actual threat - so little that someone (Scoobs?) even laughed it off and apologized. That's the perfect performative bus vote. Please, for the love of god, tell me why you think it's townie.

y u clip the rest xd

That was my initial impression of the vote. It was an attempt to push an alternative to Ghost Bear. If I remember things correctly, Char was the sole realistic alternative to him after the masons revealed themselves. I don't feel that the threat Char faced was as small as you say it was. By the virtue of being the counter train to GB there was a chance that he would get voted off. Was the chance high, given that people were very against GB, no. Did the chance become greater because Kook voted Char, yes.

But like I say in the part you clipped, the vote is moot because, as admitted on the day after, there was nothing behind but theatrics. Performative, scummy, and I believe that your idea about it is closer to the truth than my initial impression of it was. If anything, now that you made me think about it more, clever scummies would've been aware of Char's precarious position there and seen where the votes could be heading right after the masons outed themselves. It's just that in this idea, why is the delivery so sloppy? I guess that comes down to committing to the bus then, a fair bit of people would fall back like Kook did on the new morning.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I clipped the rest because this is the part I want to talk about. What did Kook do that actually made that vote a threat?

Kook defended Char, voted, said one thing, and then townread Char again the next day. How? Why? What's townie? In the rest, you say the next day isn't green and I agree - but what's "green" about the actions on d2? How did Kook even get there after defending Char previously? It's just a vote. There is NOTHING with it. No teeth. No push. No nothing. Even if you think the threat was greater than I do, where's the town impetus in the actual d2 action? Meanwhile Kook - as you yourself pointed out - has done a lot of nothing but blend. So I don't even see how that d2 vote could be read as town. There's such a low chance that wagon is pure if Char is indeed mafia, not the way people bus around here, and it is unlikely everyone just stacked on Gnome because people avoid stacking even on a vote like that. If you think Char was actually threatened, in fact, I think the chance that there's at least one teammate was on that wagon goes up - for those same reasons. And Kook looks bad.

You know what, there's been so much of this that I want that for my counterwagon, especially since everyone seems fine acknowledging Alien is coasting and then shrugging it off.
vote: Spooky Space Kook

Char will go today regardless but there's a lot of votes that can be used to put pressure on others.

 

[Snow Ghost]

I agree San, my first impression was wrong. There was nothing threatening there but the vote, the bare minimum. Naaah, the context makes even less than that.

 

[San Franpsycho]

oh my god, THANK YOU, I do not even care if I die this game if people will just listen and evaluate, I will die THRILLED

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

I clipped the rest because this is the part I want to talk about. What did Kook do that actually made that vote a threat?

Kook defended Char, voted, said one thing, and then townread Char again the next day. How? Why? What's townie? In the rest, you say the next day isn't green and I agree - but what's "green" about the actions on d2? How did Kook even get there after defending Char previously? It's just a vote. There is NOTHING with it. No teeth. No push. No nothing. Even if you think the threat was greater than I do, where's the town impetus in the actual d2 action? Meanwhile Kook - as you yourself pointed out - has done a lot of nothing but blend. So I don't even see how that d2 vote could be read as town. There's such a low chance that wagon is pure if Char is indeed mafia, not the way people bus around here, and it is unlikely everyone just stacked on Gnome because people avoid stacking even on a vote like that. If you think Char was actually threatened, in fact, I think the chance that there's at least one teammate was on that wagon goes up - for those same reasons. And Kook looks bad.

You know what, there's been so much of this that I want that for my counterwagon, especially since everyone seems fine acknowledging Alien is coasting and then shrugging it off.
vote: Spooky Space Kook

Char will go today regardless but there's a lot of votes that can be used to put pressure on others.

This is pretty performative and a little hypocritical honestly. You talk about wanting to apply pressure in the same post as saying that Char will go today regardless, so what pressure does this actually create? It's an empty vote in a post where you're zoning in on what you consider an empty vote on my side

 

[Snow Ghost]

Listen, got it. Evaluate, got it. Ignore everything that was considered, got it.

 

[Snow Creature]

Well actually-- I'm gonna go ahead and correct the bolded portion here.

In the post you quote, Gnome had said switch. I was reacting to what he said when he acted as though the only reason for a red check was a switch when we all know there could be several reasons. It's curse of knowledge. Gnome knew there was a switch in the game (and may have used it) so jumped immediately to that instead of actually speculating in any real way. It's a massive red flag in situations like this.

Why are you so determined to twist anything and everything I say?

As for "credit," I addressed that in my earlier longer post.

Can I just ask you for some clarification?

Am I reading this right and you're saying Gnome brought up the idea of a switcher first?

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

i ended up not having enough time to do more reads of players like i said i was going to -- i'll try to do better over the night phase. ill be around for the next hour but i'm obviously not changing my vote.

 

[San Franpsycho]

This is pretty performative and a little hypocritical honestly. You talk about wanting to apply pressure in the same post as saying that Char will go today regardless, so what pressure does this actually create? It's an empty vote in a post where you're zoning in on what you consider an empty vote on my side

Because even on days like this votes say "there's a tomorrow and you're on the menu."

Listen, got it. Evaluate, got it. Ignore everything that was considered, got it.

oh good, sarcasm, hooray
What exactly is the issue? I'm looking at the leadup to the vote. Am I wrong here? Was it not a completely left field and toothless vote? If I'm wrong, please show me.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I don't know why I'm even bothering. It's pretty clear two thirds of the game doesn't give a fuck.

 

[Snow Ghost]

oh good, sarcasm, hooray
What exactly is the issue? I'm looking at the leadup to the vote. Am I wrong here? Was it not a completely left field and toothless vote? If I'm wrong, please show me.

...there is nothing wrong lol. It was a joke about how people (almost) never ever go back and read what dead people think or evaluate their thoughts. Essentially, there is a fair chance that your thoughts die with you, but I do admire the optimism. It's what should be done.

 

[Cat Creature]

meow

 

[Snow Ghost]

woem

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

I don't know why I'm even bothering. It's pretty clear two thirds of the game doesn't give a fuck.

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Break time, we still going? Lmao

 

[Snow Creature]

I don't even have my vote down apparently.

vote: CGG

 

[Char Gar Gothakon]

Hammer time?

 

[Cat Creature]

I DON'T KNOW HER TIER LIST

Tier 3 Mariah Careys:

NEON PHANTOM!
WOODSMAN!
BOOBEARD!

Tier 2 Mariah Careys:

ALIEN!
LIGHTNING STRIKES!
PAZZO THE GHOST CLOWN!

Tier 1 Mariah Careys:

CAT CREATURE!
THE GHOST OF STEALIN STAN!

Also, don't get me wrong, I love non-standard read lists as much as the next person, but can you explain what these tiers mean exactly?

I figure if no one else is gunna ask, I will lol.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Can I just ask you for some clarification?

Am I reading this right and you're saying Gnome brought up the idea of a switcher first?

i'd also like to see san fran's response to this

 

[Alien]

Votes on a red check mean nothing. I'm not worried about votes. It's more interesting to me how you came to the conclusion Char was scum. How'd you get there/how do you feel about today?

Okay so I'm finally getting to this. Apologies for taking so long. I started feeling bad about Char after post #773. Talking about kills being weird so early in the game stuck out to me as odd. Later the reaction to getting a couple votes on Day 2 was really quite strange. To me it was kinda obvious that Ghost Bear was always going to be the vote there so CGG's overreaction to that stuck out to me. I got a couple votes on me Day 1 and I know I personally never felt the need to react to it like that. After that there was the vote on Gnome day 3 to put them 1 away from Turbo which at that point felt like an attempt to desperately claw back town cred. Finally, they started with the "vote me I don't care" type posts which whilst not neccessarily a scum tell (I've done it before when town) does fit with play I've seen multiple times before where players who have demanded to be voted out have earnt respite because of it.

As for the day itself I feel like there's not much to say overall. Similar to yesterday it seems as though one vote is going to dominate and our direction on Day 5 will depend largely on what occurs overnight.

I intend to look into CGG's posts overnight to see if I can spot any connections with any other players (and if any of this matches up with the info we have from Gnome's posts) I'd like to relitigate BooBeard overnight because I continue to worry that my posts on Day 1 may have inadvertently saved scum.

I want to look more closely at the people I have as town reads as well because I don't intend to get caught out again like I did in MGS

Finally I've been feeling a lot better about Snow Ghost through this day phase. They're clearly putting more effort into the game than most people and seem to be one of the few people actively scum hunting. As of right now I have them as a town lean.

I've been lacking motivation to play in this game and I appreciate I've been coasting as a result. I'll try to step up in the next day phase but if I'm still letting myself down at next EOD I'll replace out.

 

[Snow Ghost]

and im fine with believing chars claim of being the n1 gossip target

The transition from Char is town to Char is scum feels quite sudden to me o kitty cat. Why didn't Char and the circumstances around the check get the reread treatment after his chat claim? You just swing from one end to the other with seemingly nothing in between.

---

Gonna miss about a third of the reads tonight, will get them done during the night phase. As always, left the people with large post counts to the last and now I get to suffer lol.

 

[Cat Creature]

The transition from Char is town to Char is scum feels quite sudden to me o kitty cat. Why didn't Char and the circumstances around the check get the reread treatment after his chat claim? You just swing from one end to the other with seemingly nothing in between.

It lined up enough for me at that moment, I was trying to sort where my reads were at the time. I took Char's claim at face value for the day and later reevaluated it.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Wow so much activity on a Sunday, go outside nerds. I'm here til day end, will try and catch up on everything I missed

 

[Snow Ghost]

Finally I've been feeling a lot better about Snow Ghost through this day phase. They're clearly putting more effort into the game than most people and seem to be one of the few people actively scum hunting. As of right now I have them as a town lean.

More like I've finally started to do the barest of minimums but the compliment is appreciated. Please guide me to the pocket of your choice.

 

[Hyde Monster]

Also, don't get me wrong, I love non-standard read lists as much as the next person, but can you explain what these tiers mean exactly?

I figure if no one else is gunna ask, I will lol.

it's a list of coasters. tier 3 is worse than tier 2.

In all reality, I'm too poofed after work today. I'm also just feeling very deflated about today in this game. With the game being more or less decided on voting out gar, it feels harder to concentrate on others. Nobody even commented on my comments about babs and you meow. Maybe my gameplay sucks sure, but it still and kinda killed my enthusiasm.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Apparently I don't have a vote down either, and skipping back I don't think mine will push it anywhere near Everyone Must Shut Up territory to cut off these last few minutes so I'm just going to put it down.

Vote: Char Gar Gothakon

 

[Snow Ghost]

it's a list of coasters. tier 3 is worse than tier 2.

In all reality, I'm too poofed after work today. I'm also just feeling very deflated about today in this game. With the game being more or less decided on voting out gar, it feels harder to concentrate on others. Nobody even commented on my comments about babs and you meow. Maybe my gameplay sucks sure, but it still and kinda killed my enthusiasm.

'tis the curse of the mason confirmation. Just have to accept that for all intents and purposes you are now solved (obvious disclaimers apply) and that people leave solved people rather alone. Ain't no way out of it than making content and pushing targets and yes, you have to be on the offense.

You are in a position of trust and leadership whether you want it or not and it is up to you to do something with it. Only you can make it less difficult on yourself.

---

About time for a vote.

VOTE: Char Gar Gothakon

 

[Hyde Monster]

in case I die tonight, I support voting out Alien tomorrow. Neon Phantom and Woodsman too.

don't sleep on the coasters.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Well actually-- I'm gonna go ahead and correct the bolded portion here.

In the post you quote, Gnome had said switch. I was reacting to what he said when he acted as though the only reason for a red check was a switch when we all know there could be several reasons. It's curse of knowledge. Gnome knew there was a switch in the game (and may have used it) so jumped immediately to that instead of actually speculating in any real way. It's a massive red flag in situations like this.

Why are you so determined to twist anything and everything I say?

Fwiw, looking back, Gnome actually didn't.

His replies to the red were lies, not mechanics.

No you don't

I'm pretty sure Snack is lying here. Not going to talk my way out of a red check, but don't let him try to squirm out of it the next day with some nonsense about how he was in too good of a position to do that or whatever.

You said switch.

lmao nah, you jumped straight to fake over switch or redirect or anything else, come on. You're scum, and scum team has some kind of switch which is why you didn't think of it here. Scum probably really does have some identity role, RIP Geno and jman. Should have claimed arsonist lol

He re-stated lies, then accused you of it.

Yeah, because I don't think it's a switch. I think Snack is straight up lying. Again, kill me if you want, but don't just be all "WELL HE MUST HAVE BEEN SWITCHED" tomorrow.

Oh wait hold up. Did you switch me?

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Okay, yeah, sorry catch up could not be completed in time. Some of you just word vomit in these posts and it is painful to go through. Like I just spent what felt like an eternity reading a single post from Snow Creature that amounted to a lot of "I'm not sure" conclusions, which, okay thanks I guess for using the most words possible to tell me you have a lot of nulls.

 

[RetroMG]

THE DAY HAS ENDED.

AELEUS WILL LIKELY BE DELAYED.

PLEASE STAND BY.

 

[Aeleus]

Day 4 Ends

 

[Aeleus]

[He/Him] Char Gar Gothakon|CGG - UTC		(7 votes)
[He/Him] The Ghost of Stealin Stan|Stan - UTC
[He/Him] Lightning Strikes|Lightning - UTC
[He/Him] BooBeard - UTC
[He/Him] Wax Phantom - UTC
[He/Him] Baba Yaga - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Creature - UTC
[He/Him] Neon Phantom|Neon - UTC
[He/Him] Snow Ghost - UTC
[He/Him] Alien - UTC		(1 vote)
[She/Her] Cat Creature - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC		(1 vote)
[He/Him] Char Gar Gothakon|CGG - UTC
[She/Her] Cat Creature - UTC		(1 vote)
[They/Them] Hyde Monster - UTC
[He/Him] Woodsman - UTC		(1 vote)
[He/Him] Captain Skunkbeard|Captain - UTC
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC		(1 vote)
[He/Him] Baba Yaga - UTC
[She/Her] Spooky Space Kook|Kook - UTC		(1 vote)
[She/Her] San Franpsycho|Sans - UTC

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Char will go today regardless but there's a lot of votes that can be used to put pressure on others.

This vote is pointless no pressure will be applied when the day end result is as clear as this.

Everyone study their notes we will give a fresh attack tomorrow.

Vote:CGG

 

[Aeleus]

flavour will come later, apologies

Char Gar Gothakon has died!

You are Char Gar Gothakon: your true identity is Norville 'Shaggy' Rogers, aligned with The Meddling Kids (MAFIA)

Following a tip from a 'Mr. E' the gang discovered a night club where past baddies were planning the gang's downfall, after trapping Howard E. Roberts (fake flavour claim) and taking their costume you were ready to infiltrate and take down this scheme from the inside.

A man of many talents (ok actually just golf, eating, being scared and disguises), you are the Costume Thief

Once per game, when you perform the faction kill and remove your target from the game, you will take control of their account and lose control of yours via the command Costume Steal: <Player>

On the following day, it will be announced that your target's real identity has been removed from the game and that their account has been taken over by the Mafia. The account you have left behind will be revealed as well.

You will gain your target's role but your alignment will remain the same under that new account.
If you are removed from the game under the new account, your role PM and target's original role PM will be flipped. Players will be aware it was the account that was robbed.

You share a faction kill with your team that you may perform once per night with the command kill: <PLAYER NAME>.

You win when the Meddling Kids controls 50% of the votes and all threats to the Meddling Kids have been eliminated.

Night 4 Ends in:

Night actions are due 2 hours before the start of the next Day.

 

[Aeleus]

Actions lock in 1 hour 18 minutes

 

[Aeleus]

Actions are locked!

 

[Aeleus]

All the villains slept snug in their rugs tonight, nothing of any importance happened

Hyde Monster has died!

You are the Hyde Monster: your true identity is Tabitha, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

You expected many things from prison but to gain a friend for life wasn't one of them, you are a Mason

You have a mason chat with the Wax Phantom and know that their true identity Roger Stevens is aligned with town

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Cat Creature has died!

You are the Cat Creature: your true identity is Dr. B.B. Bell, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

The party invite said smart casual so you brought your finest monster costume and nothing else, you are Vanilla Town

You have no special power or ability but can still vote!

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Baba Yaga has died!

You are Baba Yaga: your true identity is Curator Vronsky, aligned with The Bad Guys (TOWN)

The party invite said smart casual so you brought your finest monster costume and nothing else, you are Vanilla Town

You have no special power or ability but can still vote!

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Day 5 Begins

Day 5 Ends:

Majority is 7

Vote spreadsheet:

Scooby Doo 2 - voting

docs.google.com

 

[San Franpsycho]

oooh, wow, I guess that's an ignition? yikes

I have a shortish pretyped I'll post in a sec

 

[Snow Creature]

Well fuck

 

[San Franpsycho]

I went back and re-read after the switch discussion yesterday and I would DEADASS SWEAR Gnome said it first. I mean, I'm an asshole but I'd never correct something in such a shitty way unless I was positive I was right. I thought it then but now I really can't figure out how I jumped to that conclusion and I'm kinda surprised it didn't even get pointed out until yesterday.

Anyway, I apologize to Baba Yaga - I was wrong, I was really convinced that he said switch.

Overnight I did some back reading and I have new lists:


Town
Hyde/Wax
Skunkbeard - New Skunkbeard hit the ground running; combined with what we know about the first, I think this slot is absolutely town.
Lightning - I just can't imagine a reason to put him anywhere else after interactions
Neon - just very level headed, solving
Stan - Stan did good work on Char. I can't imagine that's a bus.
Cat - still one of my highest town reads at least I was right here lol

???zone - These are the ones I am just really uncertain about. I have been back and forth on Snow G all game and Alien... Alien is just there. There's so little follow up or presence or thought but he also acknowledges it. I am really torn between thinking this is just disengaged town or mafia who thinks if they are just really "open" no one will be concerned. I almost lean that because... it's working, yeah? As for Pazzo, he had a strong start, but has done nothing really since at all. Everyone's busy but... do something. He's coasting on early good will. & Baba Yaga... probably town, but there's some real oddities in that play that should probably be investigated before endgame, and I don't think anyone will trust it coming from me. lol whoops guess not
Alien
Pazzo
Snow G
Baba

Scum
Snow C - I reiterate what I said yesterday here.
Kook - really actually kinda into the theory about Kook as arsonist
Woodsman - Yesterday I was buying into what Cat put forward but overnight I reread and I don't think it's true, actually. It looks good on paper, right, Woodsman starting on Char? But it ONLY looks good on paper.

And while I wouldn't hang it on this... after the "but without votes I am useless!" wailing, I'm pretty sure I know who this is and I expect a lot more. Quiet but too smart to sit around handwringing. I don't buy it and I want to start here
vote: Woodsman

 

[Alien]

The vote page showed those 3 as dead half an hour ago.

 

[BooBeard]

Oof at the night kills. I think we're screwed now.

Char flip was good at least, lots to re-read...

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Wow, RIP. Guess we know with absolute certainty there isn't a direct counter to the arsonist.

Fwiw, looking back, Gnome actually didn't.

His replies to the red were lies, not mechanics.




You said switch.


He re-stated lies, then accused you of it.

I wanted to bring attention back to this post after actually getting to read through everything I had missed. Sans is a smart player, but this just outright seems like a slip - probably conflated something from scum chat with game chat. I'll dig more into the ISO, but I feel confident if we push here we'll get scum again.

VOTE: Sans

 

[Alien]

I was typing something up and saw it was the case. I don't know if this has been the case with every NK but best to mention it now so it doesn't happen again I guess?

 

[Snow Creature]

I was about to come into this day with some renewed energy after that Char flip, but three people are gone so that sucks.

I went back and found people's read lists to try and sort out who everyone thinks is top town. Those people are:
Wax & Hyde
Snow Ghost
Pazzo
Stan (I assume Stan has some clout after the Char flip)

Sans and Boo are lighter town reads.

On the other hand, it seems most people are interested in:
Woodsman
Alien
Kook

But if you're looking for people to trust, that top list is your best bet. We've lost a lot of people but we can't be down forever. We just have to make the right picks.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I don't think it changes anything if A does a little prep work to make running all this easier without a vote tool.

I didn't see it myself because I did my backreading last night but I can't imagine it changes much if it happens after action lock?

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

I went back and re-read after the switch discussion yesterday and I would DEADASS SWEAR Gnome said it first. I mean, I'm an asshole but I'd never correct something in such a shitty way unless I was positive I was right. I thought it then but now I really can't figure out how I jumped to that conclusion and I'm kinda surprised it didn't even get pointed out until yesterday.

Anyway, I apologize to Baba Yaga - I was wrong, I was really convinced that he said switch.

Overnight I did some back reading and I have new lists:


Town
Hyde/Wax
Skunkbeard - New Skunkbeard hit the ground running; combined with what we know about the first, I think this slot is absolutely town.
Lightning - I just can't imagine a reason to put him anywhere else after interactions
Neon - just very level headed, solving
Stan - Stan did good work on Char. I can't imagine that's a bus.
Cat - still one of my highest town reads at least I was right here lol

???zone - These are the ones I am just really uncertain about. I have been back and forth on Snow G all game and Alien... Alien is just there. There's so little follow up or presence or thought but he also acknowledges it. I am really torn between thinking this is just disengaged town or mafia who thinks if they are just really "open" no one will be concerned. I almost lean that because... it's working, yeah? As for Pazzo, he had a strong start, but has done nothing really since at all. Everyone's busy but... do something. He's coasting on early good will. & Baba Yaga... probably town, but there's some real oddities in that play that should probably be investigated before endgame, and I don't think anyone will trust it coming from me. lol whoops guess not
Alien
Pazzo
Snow G
Baba

Scum
Snow C - I reiterate what I said yesterday here.
Kook - really actually kinda into the theory about Kook as arsonist
Woodsman - Yesterday I was buying into what Cat put forward but overnight I reread and I don't think it's true, actually. It looks good on paper, right, Woodsman starting on Char? But it ONLY looks good on paper.

And while I wouldn't hang it on this... after the "but without votes I am useless!" wailing, I'm pretty sure I know who this is and I expect a lot more. Quiet but too smart to sit around handwringing. I don't buy it and I want to start here
vote: Woodsman

Oh I can think of how you may have. Question - why does Woodsman stand out as so dramatically worse to you to garner a vote whereas Alien gets to exist as a null in your mind despite, by your own admission, doing nothing?

The vote page showed those 3 as dead half an hour ago.

That's a fun fact - since you had a head start with that info you surely did something with it...right?

 

[Alien]

Oh I can think of how you may have. Question - why does Woodsman stand out as so dramatically worse to you to garner a vote whereas Alien gets to exist as a null in your mind despite, by your own admission, doing nothing?


That's a fun fact - since you had a head start with that info you surely did something with it...right?

Like what? Seriously? What could I do with that information?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I'm really sorry I posted after day end. I often post before getting to bottom of page. I did not realize the day was over.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Like what? Seriously? What could I do with that information?

You don't think with a smaller pool of players you could more easily put out thoughts on others? This isn't a hard concept. You literally admitted to having part of a pretyped ready and you just...tossed it because you found out who died?

 

[San Franpsycho]

Oh I can think of how you may have. Question - why does Woodsman stand out as so dramatically worse to you to garner a vote whereas Alien gets to exist as a null in your mind despite, by your own admission, doing nothing?

Because it seems pretty easy to chase exactly one person and nail it but somehow not have reads on anyone else, yeah?

Your slip theory is silly. Nothing else to say there, really.

 

[Alien]

I don't think it changes anything if A does a little prep work to make running all this easier without a vote tool.

I didn't see it myself because I did my backreading last night but I can't imagine it changes much if it happens after action lock?

I guess so. You're right in that it doesn't really have much of an impact once actions are locked. I was writing a post about the maths of where the game is right now and was just caught of guard with it.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote:Woodsman

 

[Aeleus]

Hyde Monster's shitpost:

 

[Alien]

You don't think with a smaller pool of players you could more easily put out thoughts on others? This isn't a hard concept. You literally admitted to having part of a pretyped ready and you just...tossed it because you found out who died?

I still intend to post it don't worry. Just need to change it a little given the flips.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Since no one won, the arsonist may have a "kill everyone" condition - be wary.

My guess is that with ignition, no one was doused? I was not.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Because it seems pretty easy to chase exactly one person and nail it but somehow not have reads on anyone else, yeah?

Your slip theory is silly. Nothing else to say there, really.

If anything Woodsman faltering at the end makes this feel a lot less likely. If the plan was "I'm going to bus one specific teammate all game for cred" (which, hey, I've done to teammates as scum before to be sure - sorry AB wherever you may be) then why get tepid at the BEST moment to hit the gas pedal?

I still intend to post it don't worry. Just need to change it a little given the flips.

Yeah, I see now you mention it was maths so I'll give you a pass on that bit. The context at least makes it make more sense.

 

[BooBeard]

Stan looks good after the Char flip. Kook on the other hand looks worse.

Cat raised good points about Woodsman yesterday so I'm starting to question my prior read on them, combined with the Char flip as well.

 

[Snow Creature]

Words.

I wanted to answer your question yesterday but couldn't come up with the right words. I don't think any answer would satisfy you because it was just my gut feeling. That probably painted my perception of you and I'm admittedly having a hard time looking at you objectively.

But I reread D4 and there was a lot of good from you that I didn't give you credit for.

On Woodsman, the only concern I had about scum reading them was their relationship with Char. He voted twice against them D1/2. Okay possible bus.

But Woodsman was one of the first to poke holes in Char's story yesterday:

Why didn't you check Jman?

Was also the first to pick up on an innocuous comment from Char about what they would do if they rolled scum:

I was more talking about the Geno role you mentioned. What would be the benefit of the cosplay without it? A couple days of life is all well and good, but you can usually get the same result if not better by just playing normally.

Also you assumed you would roll Scum?

Not gonna lie, Char is raising some major red flags for me.

So that's just my apprehension with Woodsman. Why would they needle someone so much? Do we think this was their setup relationship from the start?

 

[Snow Creature]

Also, I couldn't wrap my head around Char's flip. I assume there's nothing to worry about there? I am reading it right?

 

[San Franpsycho]

I have to say, Cat's flip confirming she was town does make me want to privilege her Woodsman read a little more. I'll at least see what he has to say. But it's where I kept coming back to when I reread. It's just a guess, a theory, but it wouldn't leave my head. It's too pat.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

well there's our arsonist, and i notice they seem not to have won & left the game so they'll probably be dousing again tonight.

based on the flips plus what re reading i was able to get done:

TOWN:
-Wax Phantom, confirmed by Hyde's flip
-Lightning. partly his posts, but also this post from gnome:

I'm a dog cop.

Every night I can sniff a person and tell if they're a dog or not. I think it's designed to make me think it's useless, but I think the scum team is all dogs and it's just supposed to make me think that. Night 1 I checked Char and night 2 I checked Lightning. Both came back as not dogs. Wasn't actually super confident on that Char read, but just went with it when Snack pressed me on it because I was pretty confident the next day. Also have to guess the names of the people I'm targeting, so I'm assuming scum has something similar otherwise we could just break the game.

you don't put two scum mates in there when you know you might get voted off. too risky.

-skunk. geno's long term plan was to frame him as tp's n2 gossip pick.

There wasn't much there really, I lost access to the chat but it was like 5 posts from him, he told me there was something else to his role but didn't reveal what, only that "you don't have to worry if you're town", he was considering Skunk or Baba for N2, so I think he went to one of these but idk why he didn't kill, maybe they claimed some bullshit to him.

town lean on both snows

poe is space kook, alien, neon, woodsman, pazzo, boo beard, and san fran. i know i town read some of these in earlier days but feeling the need to reassess from first principles. i didn't think about the game overnight b/c i thought i had a good chance of getting killed.

 

[Alien]

Also, I couldn't wrap my head around Char's flip. I assume there's nothing to worry about there? I am reading it right?

Yeah I'm 99% sure we're safe on that one.

 

[San Franpsycho]

I wanted to answer your question yesterday but couldn't come up with the right words. I don't think any answer would satisfy you because it was just my gut feeling. That probably painted my perception of you and I'm admittedly having a hard time looking at you objectively.

But I reread D4 and there was a lot of good from you that I didn't give you credit for.

On Woodsman, the only concern I had about scum reading them was their relationship with Char. He voted twice against them D1/2. Okay possible bus.

But Woodsman was one of the first to poke holes in Char's story yesterday:


Was also the first to pick up on an innocuous comment from Char about what they would do if they rolled scum:


So that's just my apprehension with Woodsman. Why would they needle someone so much? Do we think this was their setup relationship from the start?

Don't worry about the "right" words so much - we'll all misread and twist each other up anyway, it's the name of the game lol.

I'll think on this. I have D&D tonight and family things before then so I will be not much present for a while.

 

[The Ghost of Stealin Stan]

Also, I couldn't wrap my head around Char's flip. I assume there's nothing to worry about there? I am reading it right?

yeah the flip says we would have been notified, so he never used his power. iirc geno had the same role in a past costume game too

 

[Wax Phantom]

Is arsonist xshot?

 

[Wax Phantom]

Fuckin HYDE o7

salute to real one lmao

 

[Lightning Strikes]

you don't put two scum mates in there when you know you might get voted off. too risky.

This is some bad reasoning.

Scum could be just as likely throw double town in there or throw two scum mates into the list for the exact response your making.

This is a post after Gnome knows he is dead and the names inside are NaI in my opinion.

 

[Wax Phantom]

AH FUCK

I want woodsman's head on a pike aight

by the end of today

on a pike

 

[Wax Phantom]

Mondays eh?

 

[Wax Phantom]

Town finds one scum and apparently scum just finishes off two or three of our own

This is unsustainable absolutely unsustainable


Char flipping scum was not a shocker at all

I'am a bit mad for losing hyde

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Looks like scum hit one of the same people as the arsonist, screwing them over lol. Usually don’t they die too when they fail tho? Seems like, maybe this arsonist gets multiple ignitions? Also probably the target was the one who hadn’t already claimed doused, which was hyde, yes?

My night thoughts after flip

since the move was to steal identity and be announced as mafia, it wouldn’t be a good idea to run that play early in the game. Also it seems to be associated with the ‘real name’ of the bad guy and not the ‘real poster name’ of the player, so mafia would have wanted to discourage sharing in the hopes that an account stolen could still slip under the radar. But the names are commonly attached to the costumes so i dunno, it would have to only work if some people’s real names aren’t the villain’s real names - see cat creature’s card, she should have been Meadow and not BB King whatever that says if it was pure scooby lore.

Lightning Strikes push to disclose identity information seemed to me to be a bit manipulative, so I'm not sure if ulteriour motives are involved there. Other than that I still have a scummy feeling about Frankenstein, but I couldn't really explain why.

Woodsman discouraging any info.

Spoiler: NVM flipped

Why is Anthos getting votes?



I see the case for Boo who is borderline guilt tripping the whole game with a potential lie. Reading mafia scum wiki is a tad too much for me. Would be okay with voting him.



CCG seems interesting, not voting there today, if he's scum, we'll find out.



Woodsman looks okay so far. That's all I can recall.

@Char Gar Gothakon had a low info D1. One could describe it as unremarkable. There is not a lot to go on, the only stance he took was against Wax Phantom, which he continues today. He didn't comment on Anthos/Boo at all at the time.



He comes in today and sides with the Anthos crowd. The interesting bit is his self-awareness. Fear of being voted out D1 when there wasn't much of a push against him.



He continues to not take stances today, he posts regularly but fails to contribute. It could be scum hiding, but I'm not entirely sure here. I'd like some input from people.



Char what do you think about Snow Ghost? Especially with Lightning voting there. It looked like you were interested in Lightning with that one question, so any thoughts on him?



What's your overall feel on the players? Who stands out for you? Or who isn't since you say scum is chilling in the background?

I think I don't want Char gone today. His uncooperative obtrusiveness seems too all over the place.



Yep, current votes don't leave me with a good feeling. Ghost Bear almost uncontested, he himself doesn't care. Some Wax voters aren't trustworthy enough. I'll join here for now, most probably not my final vote



Vote: Stan

Ive been thinking a lot about Real Identities and there probably not talking about our Era username.



My Name is Lightning Strikes but my real identity is a Character Name. I am sure we all have normal sounding regular names in our PM



maybe the scum role that interacts with names interacts with those and Gnome is trying to throw us off.

Good morning, random dream thoughts:



It would be hilarious if the Arsonist needs to find out our usernames to douse us. N1 failed, Cat and me would point to old guard

I am not Fishing for people to disclose There indivisual identities one at a time. if you read my Original comment My point is Trying to guess is wasting time. We should be 100% treating other players as randoom costumes and just solving. If thats what we are not going to do We could also Mass claim as I doubt Knowing people's names are more benifitial to Scum than town. In general Scum already have a information advantage on Town I doubt Names are they key to there success. Mass claiming as an option saves a shitload of time Town will waste and mafia will use to seem busy.



Once again I don't care much either way we should be Solving the game of mafia not wasting time guessing who's who.



This is an awfully specific Guess here. Got some insider knowledge sir?



I really don't think scum will have a real name mechanic that sounds way too hard of a Handicap on the scum team.



There's a Zero Percent chance Scum have to Guess Players Names because New Players or Returning players from a Year long Break Could have Signed up For this.



we are not "Hiding" this is just a Costume Game.

I'm still hyped out of my mind. FIRST WCF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Ok so we established real identity is important and scum probably has an ability that interacts with it.



So why on earth would you Out town members real names if you are actually playing for our team?

Unvote



No need to keep pressure vote on CGG they are cooperating with the investigation

I am being 100% serious hear.



What if we consider letting CCG live for a day or 2 and used our time to hunt other targets?

Lightning is still on my sus list, as i mentioned yesterday only if CGG was scum, and he was scum, so i want ot flip this slot now. Both too much avoiding of killing CGG - “just one more day, so he can steal someone else”, along with suppressing role/flavor sharing.

IMO we should quit it with the meta reads. there might be a scum role that needs to find identities, can't decide if gnome's claim makes that more or less likely, but either way roles like that have been in past costume games & aeleus would think it was fun. calling each other out just exposes our identities to scum.



also, some of our guesses are going to be wrong. i know everyones 100% convinced that they know who half the roster is because we're all geniuses at analyzing post style & could find easy jobs as historians with our unmatchable ability to attribute texts to the correct authors, but some of this hubris is going to get town in trouble.



finally, it means mafia can hide behind fake meta reads that can't be questioned because you cuould be talking about different players. "i think so and so is town because the player i think they are usually acts that way as town." unverifiable = unfalsifiable = good scum argument.



costume meta reads: not even once.



obviously not counting reads on jman and geno since we all know who they are btw.

And suppressing the sharing of flavor/identity info.

this is my today list to select from as vote targets pending further data.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Woodsman has had his name thrown out for a couple of days now and seems completely chill.

It's very concerning does not feel like natural innocent town getting falsely accused.

There very tactically hanging back hoping the focus on them disappears.

 

[Wax Phantom]

are we still having coasters in the game now?

 

[Wax Phantom]

@Woodsman

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Lightning is still on my sus list, as i mentioned yesterday only if CGG was scum, and he was scum, so i want ot flip this slot now. Both too much avoiding of killing CGG - “just one more day, so he can steal someone else”, along with suppressing role/flavor sharing.

That would be very risky of me skunk.

If I was scum I would know Geno escaping after death would be public knowledge. I become a pretty big target after that.

 

[Snow Creature]

Don't worry about the "right" words so much - we'll all misread and twist each other up anyway, it's the name of the game lol.

I'll think on this. I have D&D tonight and family things before then so I will be not much present for a while.

I'd also like to hear what you think of Kook. You said yesterday that you think Kook might be Char's partner? You're on the arsonist idea now, but do you still put any weight to this theory?

If Char does turn out to be mafia, that puts me back to reading Kook hard as possible partner, still say that fake push was weird, but now I'm going to bed to die, maybe I will feel better after a nap

It'd be cool to hear what you think of their D2 votes as well. They went from Wax to Char, but then went to Ghost Bear 1 min before end. How do you read that? Actually, I'd like to hear what @Spooky Space Kook reasoning was at the time as well.

 

[Wax Phantom]

My fucks are have lain fallow in the fields

my mason and two other townies are dead

I can't think of any more reasons to let @Lightning Strikes post

Sus list

lightining
woodsman
captain skunkbeard

my jimmes are fuckin rustled and now I just want to nail the arsonist

 

[Snow Creature]

My fucks are have lain fallow in the fields

my mason and two other townies are dead

I can't think of any more reasons to let @Lightning Strikes post

Sus list

lightining
woodsman
captain skunkbeard

my jimmes are fuckin rustled and now I just want to nail the arsonist

Is you Skunk scum read based on old Skunk or new Skunk? I think new Skunk made a good first impression but want to see where you're looking at this from.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I can't think of any more reasons to let @Lightning Strikes post

I am not sure how to interpret this.

 

[Woodsman]

So as promised I looked back into end of Day 2 for connections with Char

From Snow Creature we have these posts

I'm here for day end!

Do we read anything into the fact that no one seems to be pushing against the Ghost Bear vote? I know a few alternate trains have popped up, but the GB vote seems to be going through without much resistance.

This one when it looked like Ghost Bear would be the only wagon.

But then once Char started to gain some votes he posts this:

Have I missed when people pointed out what Char did to get votes? Any specific evidence?

Vote: Ghost Bear

This vote happened right after some votes were cast for CGG

Char vote here feels a little too close to deja vu for me, and I know how that ended the last time if I'm right on who CCG is.

Then we also have Pazzo discouraging the CGG train.

If Hyde hadn't died tonight, he'd be on top of this list.

Of the three Char defenders, I feel worst about Snow Creature so far.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

yeah the flip says we would have been notified, so he never used his power. iirc geno had the same role in a past costume game too

Yeah, really fucking funny that he got it a second time. I can see why he didn't use it given how it ended in Costume Party...

Spoiler

Also, Ael is getting sued for copyright infringement. Also also, I wish I wasn't too lazy to log out, login to my real account, and go grab the image of the Kool-Aid Gun lol

 

[Wax Phantom]

@Pazzo the Ghost Clown

Look at what scum did to my partner

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Work's killing me today, but I'll try and answer where I can

It'd be cool to hear what you think of their D2 votes as well. They went from Wax to Char, but then went to Ghost Bear 1 min before end. How do you read that? Actually, I'd like to hear what @Spooky Space Kook reasoning was at the time as well.

So, in general I think a lot of us can get a feel for when someone is about to flip town based on how quiet a day is or how little people are interested in raising trains against them. I'm often wrong, but in that particular case I voted for Ghost Bear at the end in the first attempt to shake things up and see if it would get scum scrambling to protect Ghost Bear. Obviously, all 3 of my votes were on townies so that didn't exactly work for anything.

I did still scum read Ghost Bear enough to aim for them the next day, but that's not saying much when they were town

 

[Wax Phantom]

Is you Skunk scum read based on old Skunk or new Skunk? I think new Skunk made a good first impression but want to see where you're looking at this from.

Skunk replaced out? Man I suck at this game

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

@Pazzo the Ghost Clown

Look at what scum did to my partner

I'd rather look at posts of you dropping the RP and playing more Mr. Confirmed. I still have no clue who you are, but you've dropped the guise enough at times for me to know you can be more competent lol

 

[Wax Phantom]

I'd rather look at posts of you dropping the RP and playing more Mr. Confirmed. I still have no clue who you are, but you've dropped the guise enough at times for me to know you can be more competent lol

Since when?

 

[Wax Phantom]

Who told you?

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