I tried to warn you last night and said don't take it personal lol. I like to establish a clear basis with each player. I mostly just wanted to get more perspective on your angle stated in thread. As you saw, after the fact several people began townreading you.Hey I'm drinking right now and I left all my notes at home so I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to post my reads if that's alright. I missed Day end because I was driving.
I stand by my reads in the thread, except Launch looked worse in the second half of the day so I'm feeling null to slight scum lean there. I want to see what he does Day 2.
I was kinda shocked when you tore into me in the thread, I was a bit upset tbh, but it ended up working out for both of us because we were both town read afterwards. Was that your plan when you did it, or was that just your general strategy to get more info?
Haha you did warn me but I wasn't prepared. I feel like I have a better grasp of your style now. I agree that we shouldn't let scum have it easy.I tried to warn you last night and said don't take it personal lol. I like to establish a clear basis with each player. I mostly just wanted to get more perspective on your angle stated in thread. As you saw, after the fact several people began townreading you.
I may come across as brash, but I'm trying to get enough out of you that can be documented and reviewed later. Scum players have it easy if we let them go unchecked because they can post without consequence and don't have to worry about remaining consistent.
Yeah I would think this is very likely. I don't want to get too far into mechanics speculation, but last Fate Mafia game there weren't any scum!Servant x town!Master pairings, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that specific pairing in this game.On the Einzberns topic, there being two of us makes me lowkey think one of our pairs is scum/town. Nothing substantial, but makes me wonder.
HP, Ephi and Ambulance are all in my nulls pile so I think that would be a fine use. I'm really flip flopping on ATP, I think they might just be town. I wouldn't use the shot there. I think there's a decent chance Ty is scum so I'd be alright with that one as well.Current in-the-running options are:
Ty, ATP, HP, Ephi, or Ambulance.
Yep, an unexpected blessing. We killed a neutral and revealed the truth of the cop all at once. And Launch is somewhat vindicated.I am the town Gladiator. I can force everyone in the Day phase to vote between myself and my target of choice. It is 1-shot only.
When Stan claimed Overrider I was very close to "counterclaiming" my ability, because I felt like there was no way town would have 2 abilities that similar, but then I remembered that there's actually two town teams in this game, so it's very possible Stan is just on the other town team. Stan also had the same role in the previous Fate Mafia and was town so I don't think we can actually get any kind of alignment from that. I think the usage on malus was good because malus was decently scummy, as far as shots in the dark go there were worse options. Losing malus sucks because they were town but getting Nat's flip was great because they weren't a real cop after all and were neutral.
That was also the same scenario I saw with Launch/Nat, so fully agreed there.Don't use the shot on Launch. I agree that worst-case Launch is neutral. I believe Nat really did divine!check Launch, and Jaguar Warrior, being a god, gave him a red check. I don't think Nat was redirected. I think Nat backed off because he knew if Launch wasn't Karna he wouldn't win the game and he would look really bad. Announcer makes sense as a neutral, Jaguar Warrior makes sense as the Announcer for lore reasons with the Taiga Dojo and its equivalent in Grand Carnival, and Jaguar Warrior's alignment in FGO is Chaotic Balanced. All adds up for neutral. However I'm not gonna bet the whole farm on that, because LoVe have already put evil Zouken as town, although Zouken being town can make sense in a twisted logical way of town being "wants to get the HGW back on track" and Zouken wants to win the war to achieve immortality, but alas. On the other hand there's already been at least 3 confirmed neutrals in the game, and Hedin might've been neutral as well. I know Loki loooooves neutrals but even that is a bit much even in a game this size. I'd rather not neutral hunt and I'm not gonna pursue Launch tomorrow.
Yes, I got some heat for some things I said towards EoD and I already softed a lot so I'll just come forward. This is my last shot anyway so it doesn't matter too much (assuming I don't get blocked).What's the plan if the shot works? Are you going to claim in the Day?
ATP I townread (as I said in my list) but I had an asterisk by them because they're good at making town sounding posts as scum. But yeah, not my top choice by any means.HP, Ephi and Ambulance are all in my nulls pile so I think that would be a fine use. I'm really flip flopping on ATP, I think they might just be town. I wouldn't use the shot there. I think there's a decent chance Ty is scum so I'd be alright with that one as well.
Might I also suggest Pandora? I feel like they are playing as a typical newbie. I see a lot of my play and assumptions from my first game in their play and I think it's giving me a blind spot. I'm giving them affordances that I maybe wouldn't give other players. Maybe you have better insight there than me.
Okay I see. The way I see it is that this doesn't clear Blarg but doesn't implicate him either. Probably doesn't change my read.For my shot, I thought I mentioned it above (my mistake if I didn't). Blarg did nothing, which is why I had him in the middle of my big reads list in-game and put a question mark by him. It means he didn't do anything last night, but doesn't say a lot about him, and his/OJ's performance hasn't been all that beneficial so far.
Okay interesting. I'm thinking the homunculus thing could just be because we're on Team Einzberns, who are full of humunculi. Perhaps the Mages' Association Caster lovers thread is called Team Mage Caster or something like that.In terms of flavor, yes I mean Gilgamesh. My role just states that the Einzberns need my help. And back-up in mafia is generally a one time gig, which is also the case here. My shots from EC are all I have, which is why I want to be smart with this last one.
Okay that's what I figured. I'm not worried about you going forward and being a night target as a result. If I die as a result I die. My role is cool but it's not super powerful.Yes, I got some heat for some things I said towards EoD and I already softed a lot so I'll just come forward. This is my last shot anyway so it doesn't matter too much (assuming I don't get blocked).
If I had to order them it would be Ephi > Ty >> Pandora > HP >> Ambulance. So Ephi would be the final vote from me I think. I haven't seen a ton of solving from her even though I know she can be great at that. She's blended a lot except for some pokes at a few people. I think it would be a good place for scum to be at and considering how many confirmed neutrals there are I don't think she's neutral. My gut says to put her as a scum read based on her play so far but I left her at neutral in my read list from the Day phase because I am admittedly bad at reading her. Ty is a close second, then there's a bit of a gap, then Pandora and HP would be roughly the same, then another gap, then Ambu. I can't recall many posts Ambulance made. Scum could be hiding in the inactivity, which is why they're on this top 5 list, but idk, wouldn't be my first pick. I'd probably put ATP at the 6th slot below Ambu if I had to.ATP I townread (as I said in my list) but I had an asterisk by them because they're good at making town sounding posts as scum. But yeah, not my top choice by any means.
Also agreed on Pandora. My feelings on them are more subdued because they're new, so it's an easy place to underestimate and ignore. Of those 5, what would your final vote be?
To the first point, yeah that's why I left him at a question mark.Okay I see. The way I see it is that this doesn't clear Blarg but doesn't implicate him either. Probably doesn't change my read.
Okay interesting. I'm thinking the homunculus thing could just be because we're on Team Einzberns, who are full of humunculi. Perhaps the Mages' Association Caster lovers thread is called Team Mage Caster or something like that.
As for the one-time gig, makes sense according to traditional roles but in a game like this I wanted to check lol
Okay that's what I figured. I'm not worried about you going forward and being a night target as a result. If I die as a result I die. My role is cool but it's not super powerful.
Yeah I'd hold off for now. Between all the craziness of d3 plus tomorrow with me and god knows who else decides to claim, we'll probably have our hands full. Thunderdome/Glad is super situational, and really depends on the crowd you're in. I feel like you could get away with pinning yourself vs Ambulance or Ephi, but like you said, Ty seems in a favorable position.Before the wackiness of this Day phase, I was considering saving my shot for either Day 4 or 5 and then using it on someone who I think is scum. Targets I had in mind included Launch, malus, Stan. malus flipped town, I don't want to pursue Launch anymore, and I don't think I really want to pursue Stan anymore? If Stan is scum they helped us out by accident. I don't want to use it on VA because I really am town reading them. I don't think using it on Ty would go well for me, it feels like a lot of people are town reading them. Though if I do use it on someone and everyone chooses to vote me out instead that's fine, because I'm town and it'll give some valuable information from that scenario.
I don't think I want to use it tomorrow. Yesterday was wacky enough, I think continuing that wackiness is a bad idea. What do you think?
Yeah I'm sure by now you noticed I didn't claim like I said I would lol. I planted a few more seeds while hopefully not being too overt. I'll claim tomorrow since I'm assuming this one should be my actual final shot.Oh okay, well that's better than nothing. I'm guessing you want to wait for your second check before claiming?
I mean bro it's hard to blame Shirou when most of town was against those two lmao. Especially VA, seems like most of yall were convinced he was definitely scum based on today. Shirou seems like genuinely frustrated town because of some poor plays by people. His play doesnt ping me as being off, and his EoD votes have been pretty standard. If anything, I do think some of the tail end VA votes look better simply because he was so clearly in the lead that it doesn't really do much to jump on someone you know will flip town (if you're mafia). At the very least, I don't expect multiple of them to jump so last minute.Do you have any suggestions for who to use my ability on? Right now I am looking at Shirou for voting VA D1 and Z-Beat D2. Shirou has already claimed and his role is kinda wonky but nobody has bothered trying to prove it. Although, wee said she was going to try, though I think she might end up blocked or redirected after announcing it.
Yeah I would agree here. I don't think Shirou is the right push. If I'm blaming people for purely bad voting pushes I would need to look in the mirror first.I mean bro it's hard to blame Shirou when most of town was against those two lmao. Especially VA, seems like most of yall were convinced he was definitely scum based on today. Shirou seems like genuinely frustrated town because of some poor plays by people. His play doesnt ping me as being off, and his EoD votes have been pretty standard. If anything, I do think some of the tail end VA votes look better simply because he was so clearly in the lead that it doesn't really do much to jump on someone you know will flip town (if you're mafia). At the very least, I don't expect multiple of them to jump so last minute.
You don't think I could win against Faddy? I think there's already a decent amount of support for them being voted out. Launch, wee, Shirou, Ambulance would all go for Faddy even without the thunderdome. HP too but I spoke with HP (not about the game, Loki don't kill me you were there) and he's dying right now from the vaccine side effects so there's a very good chance he subs out. He did say he would wait for Day start and see how he's feeling, so an easy vote for a gladiator match for someone he already wanted gone wouldn't be too strenuous for him... For the same reason though, I'm not interested in going at HP with the ability. If he does sub out or even is just absent, that will feel really bad. I also don't want to push Ambulance because I feel bad about their anxiety. I'm not ruthless enough I guess...Personally, for a thunderdome/gladiator, I would go with Ty, HP, Pandora, Ambulance, or Hobo. I think all of those, aside from Ty, you could win. After today I'm less convinced on you winning a 1v1 with Faddy.
Well it is my name.That's a really random choice imo
Yeah that's my issue. I don't see this going well, and town doesnt have much room for error. We dont have a single right lynch.I have a whole pre-typed post and everything. I think I have to stick with my gut here. I'm probably gonna get voted out after my gambit yesterday if I don't produce anything today. Sorry :(
I could see a very low scum count to throw us off. Realistically, a game this large would require a team of 5-6 minimum, but with all the neutrals that throws numbers off. So there could be like 5+ neutrals, but I still think there's 2-3 mafia at least.Also I've been thinking, after Fantasy Star where everyone was scum, what if this game everyone is town? When Sherlock (VA) died the death message wrote out a name in blood "Ve..." The only person tangentially related to those letters is Vere, the moderator. What if LoVe are just killing people at night and town is eating itself during the day? It would certainly fit with the lore. The only thing poking a hole in this theory is that why would Leo be killed? His death wasn't random, it was targeted. It's always possible the moderators are choosing who they kill, or they chose that particular day to keep up the charade. This theory is really silly but I wanted to get it out there in case I am night killed today or if I don't make it past the end of the day votes wise. I'm not planning on bringing it up today assuming my duel command goes through because it would take away from my argument, but it's been on my mind.
Ah okay that's a good point.I could see a very low scum count to throw us off. Realistically, a game this large would require a team of 5-6 minimum, but with all the neutrals that throws numbers off. So there could be like 5+ neutrals, but I still think there's 2-3 mafia at least.