Team Homunculus Caster
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Servant, Caster, at your service.
I ask of you. Are you my master?
I ask of you. Are you my master?
Sorry, I've always wanted to say that.
Now that I'm done geeking out, we can discuss strategy. My role PM told me the name of our team and based on the flavour (which I am intimately familiar with) I have a good guess among a few options for your flavour name. I will not post it here and I'd prefer if you yourself don't post it here, because there could potentially be roles that listen in on our lovers chats. If you would like to give each other nicknames to avoid this possibility, I would be okay with that. I would also just be okay with calling each other by our team name (i.e. C* and H*).
My role has a one-shot ability. It is not super powerful, but it could be useful in a niche situation. I'd prefer to keep it under wraps for now, if you don't mind. I'm okay if you prefer to hide your role ability, unless there is an ability that can help me in which case I would like to know, but it's ultimately up to you if you want to share that information.
I am town. I would prefer to vote someone out Day 1. I find not voting Day 1 tends to be anti-town unless there's a very good reason for it. In this game with the one-sided lovers, I feel like voting out Day 1 could be bad if you hit a town master with a town servant, because that is 2 dead in one Day Phase. However, last Fate Mafia game town abstained from voting Day 1 and they ultimately lost, so I'd prefer to not do that.
Now that I'm done geeking out, we can discuss strategy. My role PM told me the name of our team and based on the flavour (which I am intimately familiar with) I have a good guess among a few options for your flavour name. I will not post it here and I'd prefer if you yourself don't post it here, because there could potentially be roles that listen in on our lovers chats. If you would like to give each other nicknames to avoid this possibility, I would be okay with that. I would also just be okay with calling each other by our team name (i.e. C* and H*).
My role has a one-shot ability. It is not super powerful, but it could be useful in a niche situation. I'd prefer to keep it under wraps for now, if you don't mind. I'm okay if you prefer to hide your role ability, unless there is an ability that can help me in which case I would like to know, but it's ultimately up to you if you want to share that information.
I am town. I would prefer to vote someone out Day 1. I find not voting Day 1 tends to be anti-town unless there's a very good reason for it. In this game with the one-sided lovers, I feel like voting out Day 1 could be bad if you hit a town master with a town servant, because that is 2 dead in one Day Phase. However, last Fate Mafia game town abstained from voting Day 1 and they ultimately lost, so I'd prefer to not do that.
This is only my second Mafia game, but I've done a lot of research and preparation for this moment. I've read some old games with you in them and I found you were a great player. I am looking forward to working with you.
Looking forward to working with you as well!
And yeah I'm pretty much never not voting d1 if I can help it. My role has a slow ramp so I'm fine holding off on a full reveal.
And yeah I'm pretty much never not voting d1 if I can help it. My role has a slow ramp so I'm fine holding off on a full reveal.
Okay awesome, sounds good! I don't have any real strategy for Day 1 otherwise.
I would be down if you wanted to keep things lower key on your end, since if you are killed I will be as well, but as you have more experience in Mafia I will leave that choice to you. I am probably going to lay relatively low myself for Day 1 and try to come alive more with the solving in Day 2 and beyond. I tend to post a lot which can certainly attract attention, but I am okay with taking any potential falls from that because my role isn't super special. As long as I help town win then I am okay with whatever happens.
Obviously I will try not to link myself too much to you during the Day Phase, etc. etc. but at the same time I won't avoid talking with you. I think that's all I have to say for Night 0? If you have anything to add feel free to reach out before Day 1 starts.
I would be down if you wanted to keep things lower key on your end, since if you are killed I will be as well, but as you have more experience in Mafia I will leave that choice to you. I am probably going to lay relatively low myself for Day 1 and try to come alive more with the solving in Day 2 and beyond. I tend to post a lot which can certainly attract attention, but I am okay with taking any potential falls from that because my role isn't super special. As long as I help town win then I am okay with whatever happens.
Obviously I will try not to link myself too much to you during the Day Phase, etc. etc. but at the same time I won't avoid talking with you. I think that's all I have to say for Night 0? If you have anything to add feel free to reach out before Day 1 starts.
We'll have to do a lot of playing by ear. Can't account for too much beyond what little we know until the game starts. I'll basically engage with you in-thread as I would anyone else. Don't feel that you have to shy away if confront you on something. Ultimately I believe you're town.
Today sure was eventful. Shame EC waited so close to EoD before making that claim. Although I didn't read enough VA at the time to have a case, so I can't say for certain if that was the beta route (role meta aside).
Can you give me your general town and scum reads so far?
Can you give me your general town and scum reads so far?
Mine are generally in line with what I said in my wall of text.
Town Lean:
You
Nat
Wee
Sky
Reki
Pandora (less so but still lean)
Zipped (less so but still lean)
Scum Lean:
Malus? Zem? Ael?
Somewhere in between:
Launch, Faddy
Need to look at further:
Stan, Hedin, VA
Town Lean:
You
Nat
Wee
Sky
Reki
Pandora (less so but still lean)
Zipped (less so but still lean)
Scum Lean:
Malus? Zem? Ael?
Somewhere in between:
Launch, Faddy
Need to look at further:
Stan, Hedin, VA
Hey I'm drinking right now and I left all my notes at home so I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to post my reads if that's alright. I missed Day end because I was driving.
I stand by my reads in the thread, except Launch looked worse in the second half of the day so I'm feeling null to slight scum lean there. I want to see what he does Day 2.
I was kinda shocked when you tore into me in the thread, I was a bit upset tbh, but it ended up working out for both of us because we were both town read afterwards. Was that your plan when you did it, or was that just your general strategy to get more info?
I stand by my reads in the thread, except Launch looked worse in the second half of the day so I'm feeling null to slight scum lean there. I want to see what he does Day 2.
I was kinda shocked when you tore into me in the thread, I was a bit upset tbh, but it ended up working out for both of us because we were both town read afterwards. Was that your plan when you did it, or was that just your general strategy to get more info?
Also a fun bit of mechanics/flavour speculation:
EC flipped with the team name "Einzberns". There's potentially 2 town teams based on the flavour. In that case, the Einzbern team is down 1 servant.
EC flipped with the team name "Einzberns". There's potentially 2 town teams based on the flavour. In that case, the Einzbern team is down 1 servant.
I tried to warn you last night and said don't take it personal lol. I like to establish a clear basis with each player. I mostly just wanted to get more perspective on your angle stated in thread. As you saw, after the fact several people began townreading you.
I may come across as brash, but I'm trying to get enough out of you that can be documented and reviewed later. Scum players have it easy if we let them go unchecked because they can post without consequence and don't have to worry about remaining consistent.
On the Einzberns topic, there being two of us makes me lowkey think one of our pairs is scum/town. Nothing substantial, but makes me wonder.
Okay I wrote up a general read list. I did it on mobile and I'm a bit hung over, hopefully I didn't miss anyone:
Town lean:
You
Wee
Pandora
Reki
Slight town lean:
Nat
Sephi
Zipped
Sky
Hobohodo
Null, want to see more:
VA
Hedin
Faddy
Leo
Null:
FluxWaveZ
Ambulance
ATP
Oliver James
Ephi
Null, I am concerned, want to see more:
Launch
FateShirou
Stan
HPSauce
Scum lean:
Zem
Aeleus
Ty4on
malus
Z-Beat
The additions to my scum leans are because of how they reacted to some of the trains near the end of Day 1, but I'm gonna need to reread the thread when I get a chance to make sure. Z-Beat though, they had one post after two votes on Zem saying they don't like "how many consecutive votes in a row are happening on Zem". It was literally two votes. Feels like grandstanding and an attempt to divert attention. Nobody called it out sadly but I wasn't in a position to post myself. Might mention it tomorrow in the thread.
Town lean:
You
Wee
Pandora
Reki
Slight town lean:
Nat
Sephi
Zipped
Sky
Hobohodo
Null, want to see more:
VA
Hedin
Faddy
Leo
Null:
FluxWaveZ
Ambulance
ATP
Oliver James
Ephi
Null, I am concerned, want to see more:
Launch
FateShirou
Stan
HPSauce
Scum lean:
Zem
Aeleus
Ty4on
malus
Z-Beat
The additions to my scum leans are because of how they reacted to some of the trains near the end of Day 1, but I'm gonna need to reread the thread when I get a chance to make sure. Z-Beat though, they had one post after two votes on Zem saying they don't like "how many consecutive votes in a row are happening on Zem". It was literally two votes. Feels like grandstanding and an attempt to divert attention. Nobody called it out sadly but I wasn't in a position to post myself. Might mention it tomorrow in the thread.
Haha you did warn me but I wasn't prepared. I feel like I have a better grasp of your style now. I agree that we shouldn't let scum have it easy.
Yeah I would think this is very likely. I don't want to get too far into mechanics speculation, but last Fate Mafia game there weren't any scum!Servant x town!Master pairings, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that specific pairing in this game.
Well that was a garbage day end. I don't understand why Z-Beat resorted to ad hominem attacks at the end there knowing they were a town master. You'd think they would claim Jailer.
Yeah bad showing from Z-Beat and Leo that close to the end. Town is terrible with claiming when they should this game it seems...
Losing two players at once like this hurts more than a normal mislynch, but Sephi and Z-Beat were both lower on the totem pole for me, so I can't be too upset.
If you could narrow down to investing one of three peeps, who would those three be?
Losing two players at once like this hurts more than a normal mislynch, but Sephi and Z-Beat were both lower on the totem pole for me, so I can't be too upset.
If you could narrow down to investing one of three peeps, who would those three be?
I am going to assume you mean investigating and not investing.
I really want to investigate Launch. I can't get a good read on him this game and I'd rather just know if he's town or not.
I'd investigate Blarg now that they have taken over from Oliver James. I have a feeling Blarg isn't going to give us much to start with, and we already didn't get much from OJ.
I'd investigate VA because they were now the counter wagon two days in a row and I need to know if they were both Town v Town wagons.
What about you? Who would you investigate?
I really want to investigate Launch. I can't get a good read on him this game and I'd rather just know if he's town or not.
I'd investigate Blarg now that they have taken over from Oliver James. I have a feeling Blarg isn't going to give us much to start with, and we already didn't get much from OJ.
I'd investigate VA because they were now the counter wagon two days in a row and I need to know if they were both Town v Town wagons.
What about you? Who would you investigate?
Blarg is a good one. I either forgot or didn't realize he was replacing OJ. Launch is definitely one I agree with. Otherwise probably Ephi or Stan. I don't believe either has had the best showing (Stan in particular) which I'd want to put to the test.
Yeah Stan staunchly refusing to do anything so far is bothersome. That's a good one. For me, I wouldn't mind voting him out (unless he turns out to be a town Master and we lose two from him). I don't think he'll be my priority tomorrow though.
I am going to focus on developing my null reads tomorrow. I'd like to do some ISOs.
I am going to focus on developing my null reads tomorrow. I'd like to do some ISOs.
How are you feeling on Ty? Would he land somewhere on a hypothetical invest list for you?
I keep going back and forth on him personally.
I keep going back and forth on him personally.
I keep reading Ty as vaguely scummy but occasionally doing townie things. If they are town I just completely don't vibe with their playstyle and opinions. At the beginning of the Day they said they thought Ael was a fine night kill. I completely disagree, I felt there was a number of people interested in voting Ael on Day 1, including myself, even if there weren't many votes on them. Of course, the kill was likely due to the Lightning Rod anyway. Then right before day end Ty said a tracker is useless here? I find that's one of the stronger investigative roles, personally, at least depending on the nature of the tracking. If it's outgoing and incoming that's pretty strong. That's just two examples off the top of my head, I probably need to re-read them.
In the hypothetical, I don't think I would want to waste an investigate shot on Ty. I'd rather just vote them out in the Day to get their flip. They've been pretty active and out there so I would be surprised if they were a Master. I think the chances of them being a town Master with a town Servant is lower than them just being a Servant or of being scum. I'd rather avoid losing two with one vote if we can help it, obviously.
In the hypothetical, I don't think I would want to waste an investigate shot on Ty. I'd rather just vote them out in the Day to get their flip. They've been pretty active and out there so I would be surprised if they were a Master. I think the chances of them being a town Master with a town Servant is lower than them just being a Servant or of being scum. I'd rather avoid losing two with one vote if we can help it, obviously.
I’m still at work until 5 EST. I have a LOT of thoughts and explanations I want to share with you, so stay tuned.
Okay, so I'm just going to be as transparent as possible on everything to make this easy. I townread you, you appear to townread me, and I think there's enough smokescreen between Leo and all the other questionable things going on that I'm fine with confiding in you with all of this even knowing any potential risks. This shit has been on my mind all day during work since EoD (before and after I was able to see the flip) so regardless of the precarious position town may be in, I'm really enjoying this game. I'd like you to reveal or at least give me more of a perspective on how you want to handle your role moving forward, but I wouldn't go bonkers if you had a reason for not telling me lol
So, I indirectly hinted it pretty hard in my convos with Zem, Faddy, and VA, and you may have picked up on it, but I have one of the same abilities as Malus in that I can redirect your night action. At first, I lowkey felt that was sus af if I'm town and I can control the ability of my servant. Made me think maybe you could potentially be scum, but that was just a remote thought in the back of my head before the game even began. Since then, between your play, the potential of it being a red herring, now with Malus's flip, among other considerations, I feel that it's mostly nothing. I won't lie to you, in that with this seemingly being a neutral heavy game, the thought of you being one is not something I won't consider down the line, but that's more of a last measure situation to deal with.
That's why I proposed early on that maybe Nat's master didn't trust him or his read enough, which could have been the case, or not considering if Nat's result was "not divine" based on the flip, that only says so much. The more I think of Launch's flavor, Nat's flip, and this game's composition, the more I could see Launch being a neutral, but again, not a bridge I personally plan to cross atm with zero mafia deaths.
Onto my role. I asked you who would you investigate n2 for a reason. Go back and read the first post I made each day if you want (well post #3 d1 since I got ahead of myself there) and I softed in a way that's pretty easy to catch on. I'm D1 - Gil, the D2 - Back -Up, D3 - and Blarg was my target n2. Since EC was mislynched on D2, I obtained his ability and have had it since. I said initially that my ability was a slow burn because I didn't anticipate someone being mislynched d1 with a compatible ability (only certain abilities will transfer) but here we are. N1 I tried targeting Faddy (was initially Launch but changed my mind), but that's when the LR happened (thankfully my shot was refunded). N2 is when I asked you for your thoughts, and Blarg made the most sense at the time because he'd be a harder read, and I didn't like OJ's initial performance which complicates things.
So, that's basically all I have to offer on that for now. I have thoughts on Launch, Nat, etc, but I want your take on all of this first. I still have one more shot (EC's ability was a two shot), and with Leo being an obvious target for mafia tonight (either for a busdriver, strongman, or basic nk), I'd like to bounce my thoughts over another person (you) in order to use my final shot as optimally as possible.
So, I indirectly hinted it pretty hard in my convos with Zem, Faddy, and VA, and you may have picked up on it, but I have one of the same abilities as Malus in that I can redirect your night action. At first, I lowkey felt that was sus af if I'm town and I can control the ability of my servant. Made me think maybe you could potentially be scum, but that was just a remote thought in the back of my head before the game even began. Since then, between your play, the potential of it being a red herring, now with Malus's flip, among other considerations, I feel that it's mostly nothing. I won't lie to you, in that with this seemingly being a neutral heavy game, the thought of you being one is not something I won't consider down the line, but that's more of a last measure situation to deal with.
That's why I proposed early on that maybe Nat's master didn't trust him or his read enough, which could have been the case, or not considering if Nat's result was "not divine" based on the flip, that only says so much. The more I think of Launch's flavor, Nat's flip, and this game's composition, the more I could see Launch being a neutral, but again, not a bridge I personally plan to cross atm with zero mafia deaths.
Onto my role. I asked you who would you investigate n2 for a reason. Go back and read the first post I made each day if you want (well post #3 d1 since I got ahead of myself there) and I softed in a way that's pretty easy to catch on. I'm D1 - Gil, the D2 - Back -Up, D3 - and Blarg was my target n2. Since EC was mislynched on D2, I obtained his ability and have had it since. I said initially that my ability was a slow burn because I didn't anticipate someone being mislynched d1 with a compatible ability (only certain abilities will transfer) but here we are. N1 I tried targeting Faddy (was initially Launch but changed my mind), but that's when the LR happened (thankfully my shot was refunded). N2 is when I asked you for your thoughts, and Blarg made the most sense at the time because he'd be a harder read, and I didn't like OJ's initial performance which complicates things.
So, that's basically all I have to offer on that for now. I have thoughts on Launch, Nat, etc, but I want your take on all of this first. I still have one more shot (EC's ability was a two shot), and with Leo being an obvious target for mafia tonight (either for a busdriver, strongman, or basic nk), I'd like to bounce my thoughts over another person (you) in order to use my final shot as optimally as possible.
Current in-the-running options are:
Ty, ATP, HP, Ephi, or Ambulance.
Launch I potentially considered, but I threw him off because of my ponderings of him being neutral. I think at worst he's neutral, ideally he's town, and I want to narrow down to mafia specifically so if Leo does die it's not in vain.
Ty, ATP, HP, Ephi, or Ambulance.
Launch I potentially considered, but I threw him off because of my ponderings of him being neutral. I think at worst he's neutral, ideally he's town, and I want to narrow down to mafia specifically so if Leo does die it's not in vain.
Oh wow okay that's a lot. Sorry it took me a bit to respond, like I said in the thread I've been very busy today. The good news is that my schedule is about to be freed up quite a bit now, so assuming I'm not night killed tonight I'm going to be a lot more present now.
I'm cool with claiming to you. I definitely feel like you're town. My sole hesitance would be that I felt you came on really strong at the start of the game, and then you haven't been quite at that same intensity/activity level since, but I've still liked your contributions. With this claim that does make sense because you would no longer like to draw so much town attention so you can use your shots. I also know you're busy with your day job. I liked your Leo push, I wanted to go there myself but I just didn't have the time. He ended up being a cop and he's probably gonna be night killed now with Nat dead but oh well. Those soft claims are sneaky but I can see it. If you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass bravo, but I think it's way more likely you're telling the truth so I am believing you. I want to ask you more about your role but I'll claim some of mine first to establish trust.
I'm cool with claiming to you. I definitely feel like you're town. My sole hesitance would be that I felt you came on really strong at the start of the game, and then you haven't been quite at that same intensity/activity level since, but I've still liked your contributions. With this claim that does make sense because you would no longer like to draw so much town attention so you can use your shots. I also know you're busy with your day job. I liked your Leo push, I wanted to go there myself but I just didn't have the time. He ended up being a cop and he's probably gonna be night killed now with Nat dead but oh well. Those soft claims are sneaky but I can see it. If you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass bravo, but I think it's way more likely you're telling the truth so I am believing you. I want to ask you more about your role but I'll claim some of mine first to establish trust.
I am the town Gladiator. I can force everyone in the Day phase to vote between myself and my target of choice. It is 1-shot only.
When Stan claimed Overrider I was very close to "counterclaiming" my ability, because I felt like there was no way town would have 2 abilities that similar, but then I remembered that there's actually two town teams in this game, so it's very possible Stan is just on the other town team. Stan also had the same role in the previous Fate Mafia and was town so I don't think we can actually get any kind of alignment from that. I think the usage on malus was good because malus was decently scummy, as far as shots in the dark go there were worse options. Losing malus sucks because they were town but getting Nat's flip was great because they weren't a real cop after all and were neutral.
When Stan claimed Overrider I was very close to "counterclaiming" my ability, because I felt like there was no way town would have 2 abilities that similar, but then I remembered that there's actually two town teams in this game, so it's very possible Stan is just on the other town team. Stan also had the same role in the previous Fate Mafia and was town so I don't think we can actually get any kind of alignment from that. I think the usage on malus was good because malus was decently scummy, as far as shots in the dark go there were worse options. Losing malus sucks because they were town but getting Nat's flip was great because they weren't a real cop after all and were neutral.
That's my whole role in terms of ability, but I'd like to ask more about your role before claiming the flavour part of my role.
You said you used a shot on Blarg, but did you get anything from that?
If another PR dies, do you get their ability as well or is it only the first one that dies?
Also you claimed Gil, as in, Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes? Lore-wise Gil is capable of summoning servants, and in the last Fate Mafia game Elizabeth Bathory was a master despite normally being a servant, so it's odd enough but I could buy LoVE doing this. The role ability fits with the flavour too. If you're faking you've done a great job. I don't think you're faking though.
What's up with the Homunculus part of our Lovers Chat name? Obviously I am a Caster servant, but Gil is not a homunculus. I thought you were Sieg or an Einzbern based on our team name and the lore.
I think in this game the pairing system can be a huge benefit to town if used well, and I think I have enough trust in you to make full use of it. I'd love some input on who you think I should use my ability on and when, because I've been a bit lost on that myself. I've been trying to come off very visibly townie so that if I get a chance to use the ability on someone who I am sure is scum, it'll be an easy vote out.
You said you used a shot on Blarg, but did you get anything from that?
If another PR dies, do you get their ability as well or is it only the first one that dies?
Also you claimed Gil, as in, Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes? Lore-wise Gil is capable of summoning servants, and in the last Fate Mafia game Elizabeth Bathory was a master despite normally being a servant, so it's odd enough but I could buy LoVE doing this. The role ability fits with the flavour too. If you're faking you've done a great job. I don't think you're faking though.
What's up with the Homunculus part of our Lovers Chat name? Obviously I am a Caster servant, but Gil is not a homunculus. I thought you were Sieg or an Einzbern based on our team name and the lore.
I think in this game the pairing system can be a huge benefit to town if used well, and I think I have enough trust in you to make full use of it. I'd love some input on who you think I should use my ability on and when, because I've been a bit lost on that myself. I've been trying to come off very visibly townie so that if I get a chance to use the ability on someone who I am sure is scum, it'll be an easy vote out.
Don't use the shot on Launch. I agree that worst-case Launch is neutral. I believe Nat really did divine!check Launch, and Jaguar Warrior, being a god, gave him a red check. I don't think Nat was redirected. I think Nat backed off because he knew if Launch wasn't Karna he wouldn't win the game and he would look really bad. Announcer makes sense as a neutral, Jaguar Warrior makes sense as the Announcer for lore reasons with the Taiga Dojo and its equivalent in Grand Carnival, and Jaguar Warrior's alignment in FGO is Chaotic Balanced. All adds up for neutral. However I'm not gonna bet the whole farm on that, because LoVe have already put evil Zouken as town, although Zouken being town can make sense in a twisted logical way of town being "wants to get the HGW back on track" and Zouken wants to win the war to achieve immortality, but alas. On the other hand there's already been at least 3 confirmed neutrals in the game, and Hedin might've been neutral as well. I know Loki loooooves neutrals but even that is a bit much even in a game this size. I'd rather not neutral hunt and I'm not gonna pursue Launch tomorrow.
HP, Ephi and Ambulance are all in my nulls pile so I think that would be a fine use. I'm really flip flopping on ATP, I think they might just be town. I wouldn't use the shot there. I think there's a decent chance Ty is scum so I'd be alright with that one as well.
Might I also suggest Pandora? I feel like they are playing as a typical newbie. I see a lot of my play and assumptions from my first game in their play and I think it's giving me a blind spot. I'm giving them affordances that I maybe wouldn't give other players. Maybe you have better insight there than me.
What's the plan if the shot works? Are you going to claim in the Day?
Yep, an unexpected blessing. We killed a neutral and revealed the truth of the cop all at once. And Launch is somewhat vindicated.
For my shot, I thought I mentioned it above (my mistake if I didn't). Blarg did nothing, which is why I had him in the middle of my big reads list in-game and put a question mark by him. It means he didn't do anything last night, but doesn't say a lot about him, and his/OJ's performance hasn't been all that beneficial so far.
In terms of flavor, yes I mean Gilgamesh. My role just states that the Einzberns need my help. And back-up in mafia is generally a one time gig, which is also the case here. My shots from EC are all I have, which is why I want to be smart with this last one.
That was also the same scenario I saw with Launch/Nat, so fully agreed there.
Yes, I got some heat for some things I said towards EoD and I already softed a lot so I'll just come forward. This is my last shot anyway so it doesn't matter too much (assuming I don't get blocked).
ATP I townread (as I said in my list) but I had an asterisk by them because they're good at making town sounding posts as scum. But yeah, not my top choice by any means.
Also agreed on Pandora. My feelings on them are more subdued because they're new, so it's an easy place to underestimate and ignore. Of those 5, what would your final vote be?
Okay I see. The way I see it is that this doesn't clear Blarg but doesn't implicate him either. Probably doesn't change my read.
Okay interesting. I'm thinking the homunculus thing could just be because we're on Team Einzberns, who are full of humunculi. Perhaps the Mages' Association Caster lovers thread is called Team Mage Caster or something like that.
As for the one-time gig, makes sense according to traditional roles but in a game like this I wanted to check lol
Okay that's what I figured. I'm not worried about you going forward and being a night target as a result. If I die as a result I die. My role is cool but it's not super powerful.
If I had to order them it would be Ephi > Ty >> Pandora > HP >> Ambulance. So Ephi would be the final vote from me I think. I haven't seen a ton of solving from her even though I know she can be great at that. She's blended a lot except for some pokes at a few people. I think it would be a good place for scum to be at and considering how many confirmed neutrals there are I don't think she's neutral. My gut says to put her as a scum read based on her play so far but I left her at neutral in my read list from the Day phase because I am admittedly bad at reading her. Ty is a close second, then there's a bit of a gap, then Pandora and HP would be roughly the same, then another gap, then Ambu. I can't recall many posts Ambulance made. Scum could be hiding in the inactivity, which is why they're on this top 5 list, but idk, wouldn't be my first pick. I'd probably put ATP at the 6th slot below Ambu if I had to.
Oh also, my flavour claim is Nero Claudius (Swimsuit). Sephi was Caligula so based on the lore I am certain that he would've killed somebody if I had died before him, so I'm glad that didn't happen.
Before the wackiness of this Day phase, I was considering saving my shot for either Day 4 or 5 and then using it on someone who I think is scum. Targets I had in mind included Launch, malus, Stan. malus flipped town, I don't want to pursue Launch anymore, and I don't think I really want to pursue Stan anymore? If Stan is scum they helped us out by accident. I don't want to use it on VA because I really am town reading them. I don't think using it on Ty would go well for me, it feels like a lot of people are town reading them. Though if I do use it on someone and everyone chooses to vote me out instead that's fine, because I'm town and it'll give some valuable information from that scenario.
I don't think I want to use it tomorrow. Yesterday was wacky enough, I think continuing that wackiness is a bad idea. What do you think?
I don't think I want to use it tomorrow. Yesterday was wacky enough, I think continuing that wackiness is a bad idea. What do you think?
To the first point, yeah that's why I left him at a question mark.
Yeah I'd hold off for now. Between all the craziness of d3 plus tomorrow with me and god knows who else decides to claim, we'll probably have our hands full. Thunderdome/Glad is super situational, and really depends on the crowd you're in. I feel like you could get away with pinning yourself vs Ambulance or Ephi, but like you said, Ty seems in a favorable position.
I like your priority shot list. Ty is where my vote would have gone, but Ephi is a really good one too. I'll choose the latter because I have no experience with them so maybe that'll tell me something I don't know.
Okay makes sense to me, sounds good.
Alright, hopefully you aren't upset with me about my gambit. I decided to go all in for VA because I need to know what those D1 and D2 wagons looked like. I didn't think to examine VA's claim on D3 and N3 because there was so much else going on, and when I saw that it was obvious you got nothing from investigating Ephidel, and other players started talking about how the claim was off, I found myself agreeing.
Here's where my head was/is at:
I made that play to vote VA for "reasons". My reasons are that with the knowledge gained from his flip, I can make an educated guess at using my Gladiator skill the next day. I kept things vague enough so that I could maybe spook scum into killing me overnight, because my role isn't really that strong anyway and I'd rather draw scum instead of killing a town master or another power role that is unrevealed. If the unexpected happens and I tipped my hand there and got outright voted out for the gambit, I would still give town a bunch of valuable voting data because scum would love to hide in that vote.
Ideally: VA is scum, and then my Gladiator target is scum. VA's flip hasn't been revealed yet as I am typing this so I don't know, but even if they are town their flip gives so much information I think it is worth the tradeoff for that negative utility role.
Here's where my head was/is at:
I made that play to vote VA for "reasons". My reasons are that with the knowledge gained from his flip, I can make an educated guess at using my Gladiator skill the next day. I kept things vague enough so that I could maybe spook scum into killing me overnight, because my role isn't really that strong anyway and I'd rather draw scum instead of killing a town master or another power role that is unrevealed. If the unexpected happens and I tipped my hand there and got outright voted out for the gambit, I would still give town a bunch of valuable voting data because scum would love to hide in that vote.
Ideally: VA is scum, and then my Gladiator target is scum. VA's flip hasn't been revealed yet as I am typing this so I don't know, but even if they are town their flip gives so much information I think it is worth the tradeoff for that negative utility role.
Once we get the VA flip I'm gonna dig in hard into D1 and D2 vote analysis to make my choice for the duel. I will happily incorporate any feedback you have.
Okay VA was scum, not ideal.
I still don't think VA was scum. I felt like some of the "discrepancies" people found in his claim were reaching. His general reaction and composition doesn't come across as scum to me, but we shall see soon enough.
On the topic of my scan, I kinda did get something, but not a lot. I scanned Ephi and I got no result and my shot was refunded. So they are likely some form of a commuter or outright scum (ala a ninja or something). But the good thing is that this means I get another "last shot."
On the topic of my scan, I kinda did get something, but not a lot. I scanned Ephi and I got no result and my shot was refunded. So they are likely some form of a commuter or outright scum (ala a ninja or something). But the good thing is that this means I get another "last shot."
Ah, yeah just read the flip. Yeah not great for town...
Oh okay, well that's better than nothing. I'm guessing you want to wait for your second check before claiming?
Ty is once again at the top of my list for targets to follow. HP feels like they would lay low after the fire they received today (I really wish they were the one lynched instead but what can you do). Now for Pandora, I feel like I've been lazy about reading them since day 1 because they're new here and I got a good enough impression on d1. But sense I'm not seeing a lot to love.
So I'll probably follow Ty out of obligation since I've been giving him a side eye since d2 really, but I wouldn't mind Pandora either.
So I'll probably follow Ty out of obligation since I've been giving him a side eye since d2 really, but I wouldn't mind Pandora either.
I think Ty is a good choice.
Yeah I'm sure by now you noticed I didn't claim like I said I would lol. I planted a few more seeds while hopefully not being too overt. I'll claim tomorrow since I'm assuming this one should be my actual final shot.
And as I alluded to in the thread, I want to hear Ephi's claim to see how they come forward given what I know about them. But at the same time, I feel that today they left a better impression on me from some of their posts.
So for the record books:
2-Shot Back-Up Tracker
N1: Scanned Faddy -> No Result; Shot refunded
N2: Scanned Blarg -> No movement
N3: Scanned Ephidel -> No Result; Shot refunded
N4: Scanned Ty4on -> ????
I'll probably end up copy-pasting this post tomorrow lol
2-Shot Back-Up Tracker
N1: Scanned Faddy -> No Result; Shot refunded
N2: Scanned Blarg -> No movement
N3: Scanned Ephidel -> No Result; Shot refunded
N4: Scanned Ty4on -> ????
I'll probably end up copy-pasting this post tomorrow lol
Really? I didn't like how Ephi came off today. She had a lot more fire in her and there were a few posts where I was like, oh, this is good, but overall I'm still kinda negative.
Ephi voted VA both first two days and then backed off. I didn't like her push on me today but I worry that is because of OMGUS. It's just, I know Ephi, and I know she's a great solver. I actually did an ISO of myself today because I was really curious what Ephi, Sky and ATP were seeing, and honestly I didn't think there was anything terrible in there. Obviously I know I am town.
So with Ephi, I screwed her over in our last game together, I was a neutral. I don't think Ephi would let a grudge cloud her vision as town though. But as scum, she might see me as a good place to push and go "hey he deceived everyone in his first game, maybe he's deep wolfing in this one". Which she's kinda already hinted at is her thought process, which I don't really see her doing that as town?
I would like to see her react to your claim though, so ughhhh. Maybe I won't use my ability there.
Ephi voted VA both first two days and then backed off. I didn't like her push on me today but I worry that is because of OMGUS. It's just, I know Ephi, and I know she's a great solver. I actually did an ISO of myself today because I was really curious what Ephi, Sky and ATP were seeing, and honestly I didn't think there was anything terrible in there. Obviously I know I am town.
So with Ephi, I screwed her over in our last game together, I was a neutral. I don't think Ephi would let a grudge cloud her vision as town though. But as scum, she might see me as a good place to push and go "hey he deceived everyone in his first game, maybe he's deep wolfing in this one". Which she's kinda already hinted at is her thought process, which I don't really see her doing that as town?
I would like to see her react to your claim though, so ughhhh. Maybe I won't use my ability there.
Zem has been tunneling VA all game, I think that would be a good choice for my ability as well, but they did claim vig and I would be surprised to see a scum!vig.
It was that same fire I saw that I thought looked better. I forgot about the OMGUS though. Today is a day I'll have to go back and read through at some point. A lot of today was a blur because irl yesterday I was driving and working a good chunk of the day, then today I did the same and missed EoD because of it lol. So it could just be the skimming and the good parts of their play standing out to me.
Zem I would stay away from. He feels like one of those players stuck in their own ways and takes a lot of convincing to act outside of that. But I do like how he alluded to his PR several days ago, and a vig in a game this large and with master/servant consequences makes a lot of sense.
Zem I would stay away from. He feels like one of those players stuck in their own ways and takes a lot of convincing to act outside of that. But I do like how he alluded to his PR several days ago, and a vig in a game this large and with master/servant consequences makes a lot of sense.
Yeah that's true about Zem.
For Ephi and ATP, I pushed them earlier in the game and it feels like they took the opportunity with my gambit to go in on me OMGUS style. I didn't really like that. I think them choosing to do that is potentially valuable information on its own though.
For Ephi and ATP, I pushed them earlier in the game and it feels like they took the opportunity with my gambit to go in on me OMGUS style. I didn't really like that. I think them choosing to do that is potentially valuable information on its own though.
Rather, I should say them attempting to do that and nobody else really biting on it is potentially valuable information. It also felt opportunistic with Ephi because it felt like she really wanted to vote for me but didn't do it until Sky put their vote down first.
Also I fully acknowledge once again that I can't read Ephi. Okay talking over this I don't think I will go there with my ability.
Do you have any suggestions for who to use my ability on? Right now I am looking at Shirou for voting VA D1 and Z-Beat D2. Shirou has already claimed and his role is kinda wonky but nobody has bothered trying to prove it. Although, wee said she was going to try, though I think she might end up blocked or redirected after announcing it.
Hobo and Sky voted the same way as Shirou. I have been townreading Hobo pretty heavily, and Sky claimed (spent) doctor, so I don't really wanna go there even if I am questioning Sky's claim a bit. Their "slip" today where they mixed up doctor and cop was pretty yikes as well.
What I am thinking right now is that scum are most likely to have voted VA one of D1 and D2, and then on D4. That would cause the most confusion between the town v town wagons. That fits the following players:
SkyOdin voted VA D1, Z-Beat D2 and VA D4
Shirou voted VA D1, Z-Beat D2, VA D4
Hobo voted VA D1, Z-Beat D2, VA D4
Ty4on voted EC D1, VA D2, VA D4
Faddy voted EC D1, VA D2, VA D4
SkyOdin voted VA D1, Z-Beat D2 and VA D4
Shirou voted VA D1, Z-Beat D2, VA D4
Hobo voted VA D1, Z-Beat D2, VA D4
Ty4on voted EC D1, VA D2, VA D4
Faddy voted EC D1, VA D2, VA D4
From that list, I don't really want to go for Sky or Hobo as I said. You're investigating Ty so I'll let that one go. I think going for Faddy would be a good move? I feel like that would be an easy turbo. Maybe I'll actually read the first day of EZA as homework.
I mean bro it's hard to blame Shirou when most of town was against those two lmao. Especially VA, seems like most of yall were convinced he was definitely scum based on today. Shirou seems like genuinely frustrated town because of some poor plays by people. His play doesnt ping me as being off, and his EoD votes have been pretty standard. If anything, I do think some of the tail end VA votes look better simply because he was so clearly in the lead that it doesn't really do much to jump on someone you know will flip town (if you're mafia). At the very least, I don't expect multiple of them to jump so last minute.
That's without getting into his role which is so weird I believe (in the same vein as to why I believed VA). He claimed it D1 as well, so I think he deserves even more credit for it.
Personally, for a thunderdome/gladiator, I would go with Ty, HP, Pandora, Ambulance, or Hobo. I think all of those, aside from Ty, you could win. After today I'm less convinced on you winning a 1v1 with Faddy.
Yeah I would agree here. I don't think Shirou is the right push. If I'm blaming people for purely bad voting pushes I would need to look in the mirror first.
You don't think I could win against Faddy? I think there's already a decent amount of support for them being voted out. Launch, wee, Shirou, Ambulance would all go for Faddy even without the thunderdome. HP too but I spoke with HP (not about the game, Loki don't kill me you were there) and he's dying right now from the vaccine side effects so there's a very good chance he subs out. He did say he would wait for Day start and see how he's feeling, so an easy vote for a gladiator match for someone he already wanted gone wouldn't be too strenuous for him... For the same reason though, I'm not interested in going at HP with the ability. If he does sub out or even is just absent, that will feel really bad. I also don't want to push Ambulance because I feel bad about their anxiety. I'm not ruthless enough I guess...
Pandora is a good one that slipped my mind. Ty is good but I could see myself losing there for sure. Hobo is interesting. Are you scumreading Hobo? I've been townreading them but I'm due for a re-read.
I'm gonna think about it overnight and decide tomorrow.
Alright I'm using it on Faddy. Please don't redirect my shot lol, I will tell the thread if you do.
At least wait to initiate it. People will likely have thoughts concerning my claim.
Unfortunately I have to input it as a night action. Otherwise I would much prefer to wait 24 hours into the day before using and get more discussion going.
I'm thinking about claiming I am two-shot to hopefully spook scum into killing me instead of someone else, but I've never heard of a two-shot Gladiator before and even with the wackiness of this game so far that seems outlandish. Do you think that's a bad idea?
If it's a night action I think it's too premature tonight unless you really want me to scan Faddy instead (who I don't think is scum personally). That's a really random choice imo
Nah I'd prefer you stick with your scan of Ty.
Well it is my name.
I have a whole pre-typed post and everything. I think I have to stick with my gut here. I'm probably gonna get voted out after my gambit yesterday if I don't produce anything today. Sorry :(
Also I've been thinking, after Fantasy Star where everyone was scum, what if this game everyone is town? When Sherlock (VA) died the death message wrote out a name in blood "Ve..." The only person tangentially related to those letters is Vere, the moderator. What if LoVe are just killing people at night and town is eating itself during the day? It would certainly fit with the lore. The only thing poking a hole in this theory is that why would Leo be killed? His death wasn't random, it was targeted. It's always possible the moderators are choosing who they kill, or they chose that particular day to keep up the charade. This theory is really silly but I wanted to get it out there in case I am night killed today or if I don't make it past the end of the day votes wise. I'm not planning on bringing it up today assuming my duel command goes through because it would take away from my argument, but it's been on my mind.
Yeah that's my issue. I don't see this going well, and town doesnt have much room for error. We dont have a single right lynch.
I could see a very low scum count to throw us off. Realistically, a game this large would require a team of 5-6 minimum, but with all the neutrals that throws numbers off. So there could be like 5+ neutrals, but I still think there's 2-3 mafia at least.
Ah okay that's a good point.
Okay so with my role PM, there's nothing that says we can't do a no vote. So if Faddy comes forward with a dynamite claim we can call the whole thing off. That's still an option.
Also if I die I die, oh well