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Hobohodo
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I’m happy to discuss them now but I’m not sure our time zones are going to sync up super well. >.>
So just incase the game does start 5 hours from now whilst I’m asleep I’ll just say that I’m a 2 Shot Commuter.
Are we allowed to straight up share our role PM’s in here? I’m sure the answers been yes in the past and didn’t see anything against it in the OP.
So just incase the game does start 5 hours from now whilst I’m asleep I’ll just say that I’m a 2 Shot Commuter.
Are we allowed to straight up share our role PM’s in here? I’m sure the answers been yes in the past and didn’t see anything against it in the OP.
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Hobohodo
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Good to know!
ill also mention in case your role PM didn’t make it apparent that I’m a one sided lover. If I die you get to keep on going so at least that’s something.
I’m curious how much the class/team stuff is actually important versus being flavour but I’m gonna take a wait and see approach to how the days play out there before worrying to much about it.
If the game starts at the earliest start time then I won’t be able to post here till we hit the next night phase so good luck and hope to see you tomorrow night!
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Thanks, sorry for the trouble.
Well, EC was town. I wish he had claimed like five minutes earlier.
I still think Launch, Terraforce, and Natiko are town, and I believe that Fate is town. Do you have any reads?
My push on VA was weak I know, but it was all I had today. I’n going to have to go over the stuff about weemad to see if I can sort that out.
I still think Launch, Terraforce, and Natiko are town, and I believe that Fate is town. Do you have any reads?
My push on VA was weak I know, but it was all I had today. I’n going to have to go over the stuff about weemad to see if I can sort that out.
Hobohodo
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I have the last few pages to re read over (couldn’t quite make it by EoD) but where I was up to I’m pretty much in agreement on Terra and Nat being town. Had a slight town lean on Launch but not as sure on him as the other two.
I wasn’t getting the ‘Fate’s being weird’ angle at all. Makes me wonder if any one who was pushing that angle was scum trying to lead the convo on him.
Then lastly I feel pretty good about wee being town. I’d have to go back and check to be sure but my memory of her in mystery mafia was that she was a bit more passive day 1 there (when she was mafia) where as I feel like more of her posts were directly related to the game this time around. I’ll admit that it’s mainly a ‘she seems different’ rather than a ‘this screams towny’ kind of read but she also hasn’t pinged me as scum.
That’s about all I remember right now (just woke up and haven’t looked at the notes I’ve got in the other room >.>) so I’ll have a look at those in a bit.
I know at EoD when there was a scramble to find an alternative I was considering Zem as a few of the players who I was town reading had called them out on their shaky reasoning for voting me that day…but I’m not sure if I really thought they could be scum versus a better option. In the end VA picked up steam though so it didn’t matter.
I wasn’t getting the ‘Fate’s being weird’ angle at all. Makes me wonder if any one who was pushing that angle was scum trying to lead the convo on him.
Then lastly I feel pretty good about wee being town. I’d have to go back and check to be sure but my memory of her in mystery mafia was that she was a bit more passive day 1 there (when she was mafia) where as I feel like more of her posts were directly related to the game this time around. I’ll admit that it’s mainly a ‘she seems different’ rather than a ‘this screams towny’ kind of read but she also hasn’t pinged me as scum.
That’s about all I remember right now (just woke up and haven’t looked at the notes I’ve got in the other room >.>) so I’ll have a look at those in a bit.
I know at EoD when there was a scramble to find an alternative I was considering Zem as a few of the players who I was town reading had called them out on their shaky reasoning for voting me that day…but I’m not sure if I really thought they could be scum versus a better option. In the end VA picked up steam though so it didn’t matter.
Hobohodo
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Haven't really got much else to add after another look over, but this stood out to me a little bit from FluxWaveZ
So no offence but I found Flux including you in their list of people they would protect a bit strange. Compared to the other three I don't really feel I could call your vote on VA actively trying to solve. I feel like the other three have all had a bit more poking around going on that it makes sense to group them together like that. It might just be that your back and forth with Natiko swayed their opinion in some way as there was another post earlier than this where they talk about you and Nat as a pair they don't feel we should focus on right now, but yeah ultimately it stood out to me as odd and I don't know what to make of it.
On that topic I felt that the back and forth between you and Nat came across like town v town, and I'm leaning in the direction of trusting you >.>
So no offence but I found Flux including you in their list of people they would protect a bit strange. Compared to the other three I don't really feel I could call your vote on VA actively trying to solve. I feel like the other three have all had a bit more poking around going on that it makes sense to group them together like that. It might just be that your back and forth with Natiko swayed their opinion in some way as there was another post earlier than this where they talk about you and Nat as a pair they don't feel we should focus on right now, but yeah ultimately it stood out to me as odd and I don't know what to make of it.
On that topic I felt that the back and forth between you and Nat came across like town v town, and I'm leaning in the direction of trusting you >.>
I agree that it’s odd.
I chose to protect Terraforce today. I hope it’s a good choice.
Hobohodo
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Actually makes me wonder if that proves VA is town. I'd assume mafia would have been given some safe flavour names they could used and would have potentially gotten fake role claims at the ready for if they are cornered...I feel this would be especially true if VA was mafia as they were almost got yesterday as well.
Instead we had VA feeling his role would sound scummy and refused to claim. It could just be unprepared scum but in all the games I've read recently the scum team always seemed to prepare for this.
Instead we had VA feeling his role would sound scummy and refused to claim. It could just be unprepared scum but in all the games I've read recently the scum team always seemed to prepare for this.
Hobohodo
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Damm, hit a master as well.
Don't feel bad about feeling lost, I'm still overwhelmed by the numbers of players we're dealing with in this game. ATP I was feeling unsure of early in the day as I didn't get why they went for Z-Beat EOD 1, felt like it came out of no where. On a reread I saw the reasoning though, otherwise nothing else really stood out for me but he's pinging a few players as 'being different'. I don't town read him that's for sure. Ty I'm pretty null on right now and Leo is where I'm going to look tomorrow morning, as apart from some EOD stuff they've completely passed me by.
For a brief window it looked like Leo was going to gain traction as he was getting shaded a lot but not actually voted by many (was surprised to see he only hit 4 votes) so I wanna try and focus on why the attention suddenly shifted. Also as Terra pointed out it seemed strange for them to bow out when they still appeared to be in danger but didn't leave a claim or anything. Either they're town with an unimportant role or they had faith in their scum buddies to push us to look elsewhere.
Speaking of there is bound to be some Scum in the Z-Beat vote.
Don't feel bad about feeling lost, I'm still overwhelmed by the numbers of players we're dealing with in this game. ATP I was feeling unsure of early in the day as I didn't get why they went for Z-Beat EOD 1, felt like it came out of no where. On a reread I saw the reasoning though, otherwise nothing else really stood out for me but he's pinging a few players as 'being different'. I don't town read him that's for sure. Ty I'm pretty null on right now and Leo is where I'm going to look tomorrow morning, as apart from some EOD stuff they've completely passed me by.
For a brief window it looked like Leo was going to gain traction as he was getting shaded a lot but not actually voted by many (was surprised to see he only hit 4 votes) so I wanna try and focus on why the attention suddenly shifted. Also as Terra pointed out it seemed strange for them to bow out when they still appeared to be in danger but didn't leave a claim or anything. Either they're town with an unimportant role or they had faith in their scum buddies to push us to look elsewhere.
Speaking of there is bound to be some Scum in the Z-Beat vote.
Hobohodo
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I was gonna ask did you get anything that indicated where your shot went? I know there's a few people in the thread pretty certain the LR went off but some more concrete confirmation would be nice.
I guess the first question is does anyone stand out as someone we think scum might target today that it's worth using now. I don't think we can worry about the potential strong/ninja kill to much as we'll never be able to anticipate it, but hopefully they are every other night/limited shot as well and have already burned it/can't act tonight.
No, all I recieved was the confirmation for my command being recieved. I would presume that someone who had used an investigative power might have an idea that something was off. Maybe someone tried to confirm FateShirou’s role and realized it didn’t work when he didn’t say anything? Hmmm… Aeleus’s partner would naturally also know. It is also possible that there was a gossip chat active that Aeleus was part of. Naturally, scum would also know if someone other than their target died.
Thinking about it, we now have a few people who have claimed or otherwise jinted that they have a power role. I suppose protecting one of them may work out.
Hobohodo
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Okay here is who I found who either alluded to a PR or claimed to know that the LR was used.
wee : Appears to just be a messenger and I think used up her shot.
Zipped: Says they knew about the LR
Zem: Says they knew about the LR
VA: Claimed a 'sketch' PR that would make us doubt him. (Didn't catch it at the time but he did actually elaborate saying he can manipulate powers)
Fate: Has previously claimed self watcher
I feel like at least one more player suggested they knew the LR went off but I'm not finding them right now.
wee : Appears to just be a messenger and I think used up her shot.
Zipped: Says they knew about the LR
Zem: Says they knew about the LR
VA: Claimed a 'sketch' PR that would make us doubt him. (Didn't catch it at the time but he did actually elaborate saying he can manipulate powers)
Fate: Has previously claimed self watcher
I feel like at least one more player suggested they knew the LR went off but I'm not finding them right now.
Hobohodo
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HP voting off wagon on Faddy right at the end of day like that draws attention to him. They didn't have an active vote down so if they really didn't like either vote why bother? Maybe Scum HP more worried about not having a vote down than joining the bandwagon late on a flip they knew would be townie?
Hobohodo
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Looking at the post numbers of the Z-Beat votes they fall into 4 different groups.
Group 1: ATP (1568) first vote on Z-Beat and stayed there all day, consistent with there votes and suspicions from Day 1.
Group 2: Fate (1773), Natiko (1777) and me (1786). All move to Z close to each other. Nat even votes whilst replying to Fate straight up drawing attention to them moving because Fate moved. At the time when these 3 votes moved it was still anyones guess who was going to get voted out. Here is a snapshot of where all the votes were at at this time.
At this point Z-Beat is in the lead but ATP, VA, Ty and Leo are all sitting there with 3 votes where it could have just as easily swung to.
Group 3: Pandora (1830), SkyOdin (1852) Random (1860) Stan (1876) and VA (1885) all jump on. There was a brief window between Stan and VA's votes where VA and Z-beat were only one vote apart.
Z-Beat (7 votes)
AllThingsPurple - #1,568
FateShirou - #1,773
Natiko - #1,777
Hobohodo - #1,786
Pandora012 - #1,830
SkyOdin - #1,852
Randomless - #1,860
Vincent Alexander (6 votes)
Ephidel - #1,167
Zem - #1,465
A Wild Ambulance Appears - #1,642
Ty4on - #1,832
MrHedin - #1,863
FluxWaveZ - #1,866
But then very shortly after Stan and VA place there votes down. Will also note that Launch put a vote down on VA just before the final 5 minutes, leaving us at 9-7 in favour of Z-Beat.
Group 4: Faddy (1916), Reki (1917) and Launch (1919) all vote for Z-Beat in the last two minutes, the vote tool was down at this point so it may have been partly to ensure we didn't have a tie.
Group 1: ATP (1568) first vote on Z-Beat and stayed there all day, consistent with there votes and suspicions from Day 1.
Group 2: Fate (1773), Natiko (1777) and me (1786). All move to Z close to each other. Nat even votes whilst replying to Fate straight up drawing attention to them moving because Fate moved. At the time when these 3 votes moved it was still anyones guess who was going to get voted out. Here is a snapshot of where all the votes were at at this time.
At this point Z-Beat is in the lead but ATP, VA, Ty and Leo are all sitting there with 3 votes where it could have just as easily swung to.
Group 3: Pandora (1830), SkyOdin (1852) Random (1860) Stan (1876) and VA (1885) all jump on. There was a brief window between Stan and VA's votes where VA and Z-beat were only one vote apart.
Z-Beat (7 votes)
AllThingsPurple - #1,568
FateShirou - #1,773
Natiko - #1,777
Hobohodo - #1,786
Pandora012 - #1,830
SkyOdin - #1,852
Randomless - #1,860
Vincent Alexander (6 votes)
Ephidel - #1,167
Zem - #1,465
A Wild Ambulance Appears - #1,642
Ty4on - #1,832
MrHedin - #1,863
FluxWaveZ - #1,866
But then very shortly after Stan and VA place there votes down. Will also note that Launch put a vote down on VA just before the final 5 minutes, leaving us at 9-7 in favour of Z-Beat.
Group 4: Faddy (1916), Reki (1917) and Launch (1919) all vote for Z-Beat in the last two minutes, the vote tool was down at this point so it may have been partly to ensure we didn't have a tie.
Thanks for the detailed analysis. I think your groupings are pretty accurate. My gut says that group 3 is likely to have one or two scum in it, since it is the “kingmaker” group that pushed the Z-Beat Wagon from barely in the lead to dominate. So, other than me that’s Pandora, randomless, VA, and Stan.
Pandora is new, but seems earnest. Stan is utterly inscrutable so far this game. I guess I need to look into random some more. VA was voting defensively again, so annoyingly still NAI.
Pandora is new, but seems earnest. Stan is utterly inscrutable so far this game. I guess I need to look into random some more. VA was voting defensively again, so annoyingly still NAI.
Hobohodo
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Yeah that was my feeling as well with scum possibly being in group 3.
Stan’s been slowly picking up heat the last two days due to not really playing and a lot of players have suggested Day 3 is the point at which they’re not going to let that slide.
I’m starting to lean VA is town for the reasons I said above (expecting mafia VA to have a prepared fake claim) but outside of that I’m also pretty null on them.
I’m having trouble with Pandora, I can’t shake the feeling that they are using their newness as a cover, especially as the community tends to hesitate on voting out new players early game. I don’t really have anything to point to there though.
I also need to look at Random, I have a generally positive feeling on them but nothing overt to point to for WHY I feel that way.
Stan’s been slowly picking up heat the last two days due to not really playing and a lot of players have suggested Day 3 is the point at which they’re not going to let that slide.
I’m starting to lean VA is town for the reasons I said above (expecting mafia VA to have a prepared fake claim) but outside of that I’m also pretty null on them.
I’m having trouble with Pandora, I can’t shake the feeling that they are using their newness as a cover, especially as the community tends to hesitate on voting out new players early game. I don’t really have anything to point to there though.
I also need to look at Random, I have a generally positive feeling on them but nothing overt to point to for WHY I feel that way.
That’s a little too weird to be 100% coincidence.
I was reading through Random’s posts. Random seems kinda townie but definitely narrow in focus and interactions. Some back and forth with Stan and a few others, but I feel like they have been stsying out of the big action. Of course, thry also seem to be really busy IRL, so that might be due to lack of time to engage. Might be worth keeping an eye on, but not immediately scummy.
Just read through Zem, because I eanted to gauge whether or not Zem is a town PR or scum. Now I hate myself for thinking this, but I think Zem played too intentionally scummy on day 1 to be scum. Zem was definitely laying low on day 1 to avoid night kills, so Zem could be a PR. However, I kinda think Zem might have just been Aeleus’s partner, since Zem kinda insinuated that he knew Aeleus was going all out on day 1 because they were going to use the lightning rod on night 1. It seems to me that they talked about it in night chat.
Hobohodo
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Yeah I could see that being the case with Zem.
Still thinking about those 4 voting on the train to save Z-Beat twice. Almost hoping we get a Z-Beat flip tomorrow as it could help make sense of what's going on with those four. I'm expecting at least one of them to be a servant to VA's master but that wouldn't explain the other three. As you said it can't be coincidence.
Even though Launch ultimately voted on the Z-Beat train right at the last minute they called attention to it gaining steam so quickly, but I don't know if that's a completely fair assessment. It gained steam quickly relative to the whole day phase but I'd expect EOD to go at a quicker pace. At the point it was on 4 votes there were still four equally viable trains with 3 votes. And once it started growing towards nine votes (so the group 3 voters) it was basically going up in tandem with VA just getting pipped at the last second to go 9-7. They also went on to shade the Z-Beat vote by saying 'here are at least a handful of names on that Z-Beat train that are no good' but didn't name names. I sort of read it like someone who knew Z would flip town and was laying the ground work for a push on the players who voted the next day...but then they go and vote there at the very last minute.
Still thinking about those 4 voting on the train to save Z-Beat twice. Almost hoping we get a Z-Beat flip tomorrow as it could help make sense of what's going on with those four. I'm expecting at least one of them to be a servant to VA's master but that wouldn't explain the other three. As you said it can't be coincidence.
Even though Launch ultimately voted on the Z-Beat train right at the last minute they called attention to it gaining steam so quickly, but I don't know if that's a completely fair assessment. It gained steam quickly relative to the whole day phase but I'd expect EOD to go at a quicker pace. At the point it was on 4 votes there were still four equally viable trains with 3 votes. And once it started growing towards nine votes (so the group 3 voters) it was basically going up in tandem with VA just getting pipped at the last second to go 9-7. They also went on to shade the Z-Beat vote by saying 'here are at least a handful of names on that Z-Beat train that are no good' but didn't name names. I sort of read it like someone who knew Z would flip town and was laying the ground work for a push on the players who voted the next day...but then they go and vote there at the very last minute.
I was going over zipped, who was the most animated about knowing that Aeleus used the lightning rod. I don’t get as strong of an impression that zipped was Aeleus’s partner. I am really curious how he knows what he claims to know though. Zipped jas been extremely quiet other than the stuff about Aeleus on day 2, so its hard to read him. I wish I had an investigative power rather than a protective one.
I think I will protect either Fate, Zipped, or Wee.
Fate has built up some town cred and has claimed, but protecting him is a double-edged sword. Though if I do protect him from an actual attack there could be a big payoff. It would pretty much require me to claim though, which would get the two of us killed.
Zipped I think has good odds of being a power role. Some chance he is Aeleus’s partner instead of Zem, but my money is on Zem there.
Wee has claimed, but there is no confirmation of their power. I am inclined to think their PR is real though, since they were really commited to their plan in Day 2.
I think I’ll go with zipped.
Fate has built up some town cred and has claimed, but protecting him is a double-edged sword. Though if I do protect him from an actual attack there could be a big payoff. It would pretty much require me to claim though, which would get the two of us killed.
Zipped I think has good odds of being a power role. Some chance he is Aeleus’s partner instead of Zem, but my money is on Zem there.
Wee has claimed, but there is no confirmation of their power. I am inclined to think their PR is real though, since they were really commited to their plan in Day 2.
I think I’ll go with zipped.
Hobohodo
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Aha whoops, yeah I did.
Yeah Zipped sounds good to me, I agree that out of Zipped and Zem, Zipped feels more like they learnt about the LR with a PR.
This’ll be my last post for the night so good luck for tomorrow! I’m kinda bracing for there to be a push against the Z-Beat voters so fingers crossed we can get through it.
I’m pretty confident that Launch is telling the truth about his role, and I am inclined to think he is town. The red check nonsense is over and done with too.
I think Leo is town too. A cop counter-claim is too crazy to be a scum gambit, and an ISO of him didn’t turn up anything suspicious. He has been pretty consistent with his behavior and reads.
Now I’m tempted to rethink my read of Terraforce though. His push for Leo looks a little questionable now.
I think Leo is town too. A cop counter-claim is too crazy to be a scum gambit, and an ISO of him didn’t turn up anything suspicious. He has been pretty consistent with his behavior and reads.
Now I’m tempted to rethink my read of Terraforce though. His push for Leo looks a little questionable now.
Hobohodo
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I wouldn't say I had a handle on this game but today was the day I felt I lost what grasp I did have. Wasn't going to be able to put any time in till this evening though and by the time I rocked up Stan had gone full warlord so ahh well. I'll do a proper reread tomorrow as I was skiming it from the point Stan declared he was gonna kill someone to try and catch up in time.
I'm not so sure the red check nonsense with launch is behind us though. I need to go back to be sure but there is still some weirdness I'm picking up on,
Nat's PR isn't necessarily a standard cop check. 'During the night, you can use the command: Divinity Check: player. You will receive the result of “Divine,” “Not Divine,” “no result”. Keep in mind that many heroic spirits have divine blood however.' I have no clue on what divine blood means in terms of Fate, but the fact that we have a line that says 'many heroic spirits have divine blood' makes me think that it isn't just an alignment check. So Nat's check could have been on Launch, it's just that Launch doesn't have 'divine blood' whatever that means. Nat was also cagey about the command he had to input and how the wording on the results that were given to him. Maybe because he knew we would question if divinity = alignment, but if he had those doubts why push for Launch. We could assume he had some doubts about it though as he backed off the vote pretty quickly though.
The other option is that now we know that Malus did have a redirect he could have redirected the check. Malus didn't know what Nat did though so he would have been acting blind but maybe he would do it. Thing is Malus was saying we need to check the red check and confirm it. If malus had done a redirect he would know that Launch hadn't been who Nat checked, so why would he be so adamant that we still confirm the supposed check on launch? This makes me that Malus didn't use a redirect that night in which case Nat did get a valid red check on Launch.
It's just that it's a red check to say he doesn't have divine blood which god knows what that means.
I'm not so sure the red check nonsense with launch is behind us though. I need to go back to be sure but there is still some weirdness I'm picking up on,
Nat's PR isn't necessarily a standard cop check. 'During the night, you can use the command: Divinity Check: player. You will receive the result of “Divine,” “Not Divine,” “no result”. Keep in mind that many heroic spirits have divine blood however.' I have no clue on what divine blood means in terms of Fate, but the fact that we have a line that says 'many heroic spirits have divine blood' makes me think that it isn't just an alignment check. So Nat's check could have been on Launch, it's just that Launch doesn't have 'divine blood' whatever that means. Nat was also cagey about the command he had to input and how the wording on the results that were given to him. Maybe because he knew we would question if divinity = alignment, but if he had those doubts why push for Launch. We could assume he had some doubts about it though as he backed off the vote pretty quickly though.
The other option is that now we know that Malus did have a redirect he could have redirected the check. Malus didn't know what Nat did though so he would have been acting blind but maybe he would do it. Thing is Malus was saying we need to check the red check and confirm it. If malus had done a redirect he would know that Launch hadn't been who Nat checked, so why would he be so adamant that we still confirm the supposed check on launch? This makes me that Malus didn't use a redirect that night in which case Nat did get a valid red check on Launch.
It's just that it's a red check to say he doesn't have divine blood which god knows what that means.
Hobohodo
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I had to go check my name because as if I can remember, but no I'm not.
Hobohodo
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Also of note (but could also just be bastard things) but when Malus was killed it then said in red 'Due to limited magical energy, his servant died too!' before showing us Nat's flip.
When servant SephiZack died as a result of his master Z-Beat being voted out yesterday it just had the commentry from Vere saying 'But wait there's more! Since he was a master...' before the Sephi flip.
Red text has been important in the past so felt it was worth pointing out.
When servant SephiZack died as a result of his master Z-Beat being voted out yesterday it just had the commentry from Vere saying 'But wait there's more! Since he was a master...' before the Sephi flip.
Red text has been important in the past so felt it was worth pointing out.
The “lack of magical energy” red text was used commonly in the original Fate/Mafia for when a Master’s death triggered their Servant to be eliminated. I don’t think it means anything more than that this time. Perhaps Loki and Vere just forgot to red text it the first time?
Now I’m pretty sure that Nat’s check was just to narrow down players to find a specific subset of players who had “divine blood”. I think it is just a flavor category that exists mostly to help Natiko find his target: the demi-god Karna. In other words, it was just a tool to help Nat fulfill his Neutral win condition. With that in mind, I don’t think there is any point worrying anymore about Natiko’s red check. Whether or not malus redirected it is irrelevant, since it isn’t of any use to town one way or another.
So we are free to get back to such pressing questions as what is Vincent Alexander’s alignment. Joy.
Hobohodo
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Yeah I see where your coming from with it just being a tool for Nat…but if a red check on Launch meant no divine blood what would be Nats goal in even announcing it?
Unless Nat lied about the check and actually got a ‘Divine Blood’ result and just thought he’d go for it.
But yeah I can see how it’s probably a Nat wincon thing more than anything. I’ll read up on the day trying to not focus on the whole Nat/Launch situation when I get up tomorrow as right now that’s just dominating my thoughts and I’ve got nothing else to go on.
Yeah I’m expecting VA to still pull some of the discussion tomorrow. Unfortunately I feel we aren’t going to be free of the thought till he flips or someone can green check him.
Your out of protects now as well ain’t you?
Unless Nat lied about the check and actually got a ‘Divine Blood’ result and just thought he’d go for it.
But yeah I can see how it’s probably a Nat wincon thing more than anything. I’ll read up on the day trying to not focus on the whole Nat/Launch situation when I get up tomorrow as right now that’s just dominating my thoughts and I’ve got nothing else to go on.
Yeah I’m expecting VA to still pull some of the discussion tomorrow. Unfortunately I feel we aren’t going to be free of the thought till he flips or someone can green check him.
Your out of protects now as well ain’t you?
Well, I was refunded my shot last time. I can’t be certain, but I think I was roleblocked. That means one of two things:
A) Someone from town thought I was scum and roleblocked me. Probably won’t repeat the effort.
B) Scum somehow honed in on me by Night 2 and roleblocked me. If so, I’m doomed.
If it wasb’t a roleblocker, that leaves option C) zippedpinhead has some sort of self-defensive role. I find this less likely.
It is also possible that someone else also protected zippedpinhead and my shot was refunded for being redundant, but I find this exceedingly unlikely.
A) Someone from town thought I was scum and roleblocked me. Probably won’t repeat the effort.
B) Scum somehow honed in on me by Night 2 and roleblocked me. If so, I’m doomed.
If it wasb’t a roleblocker, that leaves option C) zippedpinhead has some sort of self-defensive role. I find this less likely.
It is also possible that someone else also protected zippedpinhead and my shot was refunded for being redundant, but I find this exceedingly unlikely.
Well, the upside is that I still have a Doctor shot! I can try protecting someone tonight.
During Day 3, I was feeling pretty unsure of who to protect between our two claimed cops, I mean seriously guys I’m only one Doctor but Stan neatly solved that problem when he cleaved the Gordian Knot that was Day 3’s bullshit.
So I have a pretty clear course of action before me.
During Day 3, I was feeling pretty unsure of who to protect between our two claimed cops, I mean seriously guys I’m only one Doctor but Stan neatly solved that problem when he cleaved the Gordian Knot that was Day 3’s bullshit.
So I have a pretty clear course of action before me.
Hobohodo
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Okay, finally had a chance to properly read the last five or so pages of the thread.
I'm with you in believing Leo. Keeping in mind that Leo is most likely a cop I figure it's worth highlighting that he has been suspicious of ATP and Reki whilst keeping his vote on VA throughout today. If we take what he said at face value in the thread then he doesn't actually have any info on these players though (tried to check ATP night one but got hit by the LR and has allegedly saved their shot since then) but in case they haven't been fully truthful felt it was worth noting.
ATP and Terra both pushed for Leo once Stan went full warlord (so did Launch but yeah I'm pretty convinced of town there). Terra was voting for Leo day 2 as well. Thing is even on a reread Terra didn't jump out as scummy to me, the only thing that really pings me is his insistence that Leo should have claimed at EOD on Day 2. Stan also said Leo was on his list of candidates to kill today when the warlord bit started so he didn't fully go with the whims of the crowd. Is there precedent for Stans' role being one alignment or another? When I played in mafia games yearsssss back on another forum someone who could override was pretty much always a town role, but I don't know if that was just that a thing with that forum.
The last thing I kept in mind whilst reading was looking for anything outta those players who were in the middle of the Z-Beat train from yesterday (Pandora, Random, Stan, VA and you). As much as I'd still like VA's flip just to have that question gone I'm still leaning town...processing that ability of his still though.
Stan because of my history with that role I'm leaning town but if you've got any insight that would be appreciated.
I'll admit my trust in you mainly comes from the fact you haven't given me any reason not to. Yeah it's not the best reasoning but it's all I've got.
So if there were scum in this group I'm thinking Random or Pandora. Thing is it's gone midnight and I don't really have any concrete reasons. My notes by each of them pretty much just say 'bad vibes' so yeah.
I'm with you in believing Leo. Keeping in mind that Leo is most likely a cop I figure it's worth highlighting that he has been suspicious of ATP and Reki whilst keeping his vote on VA throughout today. If we take what he said at face value in the thread then he doesn't actually have any info on these players though (tried to check ATP night one but got hit by the LR and has allegedly saved their shot since then) but in case they haven't been fully truthful felt it was worth noting.
ATP and Terra both pushed for Leo once Stan went full warlord (so did Launch but yeah I'm pretty convinced of town there). Terra was voting for Leo day 2 as well. Thing is even on a reread Terra didn't jump out as scummy to me, the only thing that really pings me is his insistence that Leo should have claimed at EOD on Day 2. Stan also said Leo was on his list of candidates to kill today when the warlord bit started so he didn't fully go with the whims of the crowd. Is there precedent for Stans' role being one alignment or another? When I played in mafia games yearsssss back on another forum someone who could override was pretty much always a town role, but I don't know if that was just that a thing with that forum.
The last thing I kept in mind whilst reading was looking for anything outta those players who were in the middle of the Z-Beat train from yesterday (Pandora, Random, Stan, VA and you). As much as I'd still like VA's flip just to have that question gone I'm still leaning town...processing that ability of his still though.
Stan because of my history with that role I'm leaning town but if you've got any insight that would be appreciated.
I'll admit my trust in you mainly comes from the fact you haven't given me any reason not to. Yeah it's not the best reasoning but it's all I've got.
So if there were scum in this group I'm thinking Random or Pandora. Thing is it's gone midnight and I don't really have any concrete reasons. My notes by each of them pretty much just say 'bad vibes' so yeah.
Hobohodo
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Cool, will work on the assumption that Stan is town then.
And honestly with all the nonsense that happened yesterday I wouldn’t worry about it. I didn’t really get the impression there was much in the way of strong pushes happening outside the Launch/Nat discussion anyway.
And honestly with all the nonsense that happened yesterday I wouldn’t worry about it. I didn’t really get the impression there was much in the way of strong pushes happening outside the Launch/Nat discussion anyway.
I think there might fewer Mafia than normal for a game of this size, since we have an unusually large number of neutrals. We have three confirmed neutrals and one player with no flip is very likely neutral. We might even have more, who knows. Those extra neutrals might be taking up mafia slots.
Who knows though, the balance of this game baffles me.
Who knows though, the balance of this game baffles me.
Hobohodo
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I haven’t actually used any of my shots yet (didn’t see a reason I would be targeted so didn’t see a reason to commute). If it won’t let me go up to three shots it’s probably worth saving.
Also I’ll be honest, it was my first day back in work after a week off and its completely wiped me out so I haven’t looked over anything and I really don’t have the energy right now. So I’m gonna rest up and see what Day start brings when I wake up tomorrow.
Also I’ll be honest, it was my first day back in work after a week off and its completely wiped me out so I haven’t looked over anything and I really don’t have the energy right now. So I’m gonna rest up and see what Day start brings when I wake up tomorrow.
Hobohodo
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I’d be lying if I said I was super confidant on HP being scum, like I said to Ephi it just felt like I was going back to a lead from days ago.
But yeah I really don’t know what to think at this point. My problem with the TvT theory is I just don’t know how we would approach the game from this point on. Mafia know who all there enemies are so they know they don’t risk killing one or there own, but each town member only knows (well can assume) that there partner is the same team, everyone else they’re clueless on.
But if it ain’t TvT then either scum must have a smaller team than we’d expect for a 29 player game…or we’re just that bad.
At least we know why your night 2 shot failed.
Hobohodo
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I feel like working out what happened with the the N1 Terra refund is our best bet to work out what’s going on, as that’s the one that I feel can’t just be explained away.
Like if someone targeted Terra with a RB then you’d expect the LR to have scooped it up to essentially RB Ael, and in turn then I’d have expected Terras track to be drawn to Ael.
But instead we have Terra seemingly getting refunded…so either someone was able to be unaffected by the LR and block Terra, or for some reason Terras track failed once it was drawn to Ael.
Just typing it up confuses me even more.
Like if someone targeted Terra with a RB then you’d expect the LR to have scooped it up to essentially RB Ael, and in turn then I’d have expected Terras track to be drawn to Ael.
But instead we have Terra seemingly getting refunded…so either someone was able to be unaffected by the LR and block Terra, or for some reason Terras track failed once it was drawn to Ael.
Just typing it up confuses me even more.