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Yeah Hawthorn was role blocked... by the game runners 
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Some players are doing really good solving this game, correctly deducing at least parts
Of what ATP and I put together for day 1/night1, others are just throwing stuff against the wall.
It really is amazing being on this side of the game
Of what ATP and I put together for day 1/night1, others are just throwing stuff against the wall.
It really is amazing being on this side of the game
I wonder if the person responsible for keeping chuggs at home is feeling guilty at all?
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I think at this point that player has got to feel a little guilty, but also realize that they have to keep it hidden (at least for a while).I wonder if the person responsible for keeping chuggs at home is feeling guilty at all?
I know if I was in this game and after a day of "town would have claimed telling Chuggs to stay" and that player NOT claiming, to claim now would be an instant vote. (and intense confusion)
One thing is certain, this game is entertaining as hell to watch!
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I don't know if I could have hoped for better conversations in the first few days. Intrigue, towncore, mass claims, calls for both "Flavour matters" and "Flavour doesn't matter".
It is absolutely incredible
It is absolutely incredible
Faddy
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LMAO at Chuggs. What a guy. I love his energy here.
Maol really digging his heels into nothing. Chuggs has every right to ignore and dismiss all his points.
The AWAY team are so up their own ass that they won't even tell chuggs he is right about HP not being town. I don't think HP tries to pull the whole neutral gambit as mafia on night 1 but even when someone is a harmless neutral their whole demeanor and the way they push the game changes.
Maol really digging his heels into nothing. Chuggs has every right to ignore and dismiss all his points.
The AWAY team are so up their own ass that they won't even tell chuggs he is right about HP not being town. I don't think HP tries to pull the whole neutral gambit as mafia on night 1 but even when someone is a harmless neutral their whole demeanor and the way they push the game changes.
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For an unintentional misspelling, it is leading to a ton of good content
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You know what Neki, I appreciate it!
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Blarg, don’t worry, if y’all speed run this (as opposed to getting to the end of our story), I’m sure we will figure something out
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Daily challenge is going to be close, but we may end up with a victor in the hidden challenge
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No joke, town’s got a real shot in the first few days too. They have a good shot the whole game really.
all the tools are there, but I’ll be damned if this us vs them isn’t incredibly entertaining
I have literally spent years thinking about this, and this is pretty much where I'm at. I have no idea, but it's fun to watch.
This is the most fun part about running games. Getting to watch the players scurry around the maze.
I will say when I first saw the setup I thought town had zero chance at victory, but as I read further in, they do have a pretty decent shot.
He claimed to be responsible for something that he wasn't and I was kind of hoping people would push him more on it but they haven't.
As scum, wouldn't it be a great plan to persuade a small, more controllable group of people to claim on Day 1? That way you know for certain where are some of the PR very early, and in this case where to direct the infection...
If I was town in this game right now, I would be butting heads with Maol so bad...
But I really don't have any deep understanding of Mafia, so what do I know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If I was town in this game right now, I would be butting heads with Maol so bad...
But I really don't have any deep understanding of Mafia, so what do I know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Come on Neki, tell them!
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Damnit Blarg, when you are right you are right!
Sorry town, I'm cranky and stressed and have a headache.
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Me either haha
Okay, I just read the article about The Goat Problem and I don't think that's what he meant. I think he probably meant The Monty Hall Problem, in which the answer is to always switch. The goat problem is, as far as I can tell, about the area of a circle.
EDIT: Just read further and this has been brought up. Seriously, best community.
EDIT: Just read further and this has been brought up. Seriously, best community.
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More good deductions in the main thread, all these good doggos barking up the right trees...
but will they actually figure out the game.
@AllThingsPurple did we make the game too easy?
but will they actually figure out the game.
@AllThingsPurple did we make the game too easy?
We'll see.. if its over by the weekend I guess we did :p
Town sleep all day then go mad 10 minutes before eod..
Town..
Town never changes..
Town..
Town never changes..
Faddy
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Obviously I don't know if it is Natiko but definitely signs pointing to him not being town.
If you want the dumbest meta read of Nat it is if he makes IRL excuses about the game then you need to be on your guard. It is not a 100% scum tell but something he is more likely to do as scum. It is something about not wanting to appear like he is slacking for no reason where as if he is town he is much more relaxed.
I also find it hard to play chill as scum too when my whole town game is me chilling and not really giving a crap until I get a scum read.
If you want the dumbest meta read of Nat it is if he makes IRL excuses about the game then you need to be on your guard. It is not a 100% scum tell but something he is more likely to do as scum. It is something about not wanting to appear like he is slacking for no reason where as if he is town he is much more relaxed.
I also find it hard to play chill as scum too when my whole town game is me chilling and not really giving a crap until I get a scum read.
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Alexem
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With a game like this, there was always the possibility of a quick finish. Mind you, I didn't really expect there to be much chance of it.
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Spoilers for the thing 2011
I am pretty sure by the time we get to end game, some people will have realizations like this
I am pretty sure by the time we get to end game, some people will have realizations like this
I gotta say people that keep saying atp and zipped wouldn't do this or that like this isn't our first game we've designed and we are kind of learning as we go are being dumb.
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Yeah we are brand new to this game running stuff
Personally I think we are doing a swell job!
Honestly I knew it was ATP's first time but I would have sworn that you'd run something in one of the early seasons.
Has zipped been holding out on me?
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Nope, first game I’m running.
Watching some of the conclusions town is coming to in their night chats has me like...
Alexem
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I love the read lists in the kitchen. They've gone into so much detail, but don't seem to realise that they've forgotten someone...
Still at the moment there seems a decent chance this could be a good night for town still
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I think the night phases are going really well!
Oh man this would have been a fun mechanic lol. Like have another player take over for the corrupted player....in fact, how can I be sure you're actually Ambulance? Maybe you're a costume acct. making me think I'm talking to Ambulance
Yeah I'm a bit worried they will tbh.
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Well, I mean, cults NOT scum…
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There was always the possibility that town could easily win this, I was just hoping that it would get to endgame.
@AllThingsPurple does town know about Nin’s ability or will it just be surprise?
@AllThingsPurple does town know about Nin’s ability or will it just be surprise?
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And OMG if kyanrute gets tested today
I'm not telling them, if nin wants to tell them he can :p
Faddy
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And OMG if kyanrute gets tested today
Is there any way they don't test Kyan?
If he was with Natiko last night then everyone is going to want that resolved.
It will depend where town comes down on if kyan could/would have killed nat before becoming infected I guess.
Faddy
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If Nat just happened to be pair with the vig that would be very unfortunate for him, especially after the way the vote went down.
Alexem
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Great idea
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Why is it not just by the order the commands are received?
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You could, but it would probably be a pretty chaotic game lol, people would probably get upset if, for example, they protected someone the Mafia killed, but since they submitted after them, it didn't work.
Having the night actions go in that order keeps things consistently balanced. This way, if someone gets Switched for example, it happens before all those other abilities, so those would all be used on the Switched target instead.
Or how Redirect comes before things like Protect, Kill, Investigate, etc, that way those abilities are always used on the person they were redirected to instead.
Does that make sense?
I see. Yeah it does make sense, thanks! :)
Well for the record we are not strictly using that order.
And honestly all the nitpicking about the game design is a drag.
And honestly all the nitpicking about the game design is a drag.
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I agree, we get game after game of “don’t waste your time arguing about mechanics and get back to scum hunting” to
let’s just talk about flavour and mechanics
let’s just talk about flavour and mechanics
They will probably win sooner than later, unfortunately we didn't plan the game around a mass claim d1
Also my issue is more with the critiquing of the game design and being called lazy, even if it was a joke.
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And, for the record, dogs being vanilla town just makes sense in this setup.
i mean it was billed as role madness with a variable roster size
i mean it was billed as role madness with a variable roster size
So first of all I just realized that I pulled @Natiko out of the cult thread but never gave him Spec access. Sorry, Nat!
For what it's worth, I think this design, while somewhat unconventional, is really interesting, and any comments I've made (such as my response to Blarg's post above,) were not meant as criticisms but more as just me thinking out loud about game design.
Unfortunately, welcome to Gamerunning. I don't think I've ever seen a game whose design didn't get trashed by someone at some point in the process. I know of a few people who've quit doing it because it's a lot of work to end up with a bunch of people telling you that you should have done it better.
For what it's worth, I think this design, while somewhat unconventional, is really interesting, and any comments I've made (such as my response to Blarg's post above,) were not meant as criticisms but more as just me thinking out loud about game design.
Yeah I know no one is saying anything with intentional malice, I'm just particularly thin skinned when it comes to this stuff.
But yeah its a learning experience, me and zipped are first time game runners and we both recognise stuff we would have changed in hindsight.
Yeah, like when we watched the movie they talked about comparing blood samples to see if one sample "attacked" the other and I thought, "Oh, that would have been a fun way to do the doctor role."
I will say I got rightfully murdered after one game because I thought the town power set was too strong, so I gave scum one more player than I normally would have, and scum mopped the floor with town.
I will say I got rightfully murdered after one game because I thought the town power set was too strong, so I gave scum one more player than I normally would have, and scum mopped the floor with town.
I like how he claimed he caused the storm and is even getting town cred for it when he had nothing to do with it lol
For what it's worth, it's the game I had the most fun watching yet. It's really entertaining!
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Implies spoilers, I suppose:
Can’t wait until everyone realizes I was town when I went along with the mass claim that I so nefariously wanted, and look it actually has given them nearly all the info they need to win. What a shame for them before I died I made sure the trail wouldn’t be super obvious.
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And since someone will ask post game - the reason I didn’t try to bluff kyan out via intimidation is it would’ve only brought me into the next day phase and I still would’ve been hosed. My only hope was for him to decide I was just town which was not going to be easy to swing.
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I can understand why the cult works the way it does since cults are notoriously OP, but I do think bare minimum if there are multiple cult members then you should be able to pick who you want to infect of all the relevant chat partners. I suspect we will lose at the three person test phase most likely. Hopefully not though. Rooting for my team.
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Your spoiler is exactly one of the “improvements” we would have made in hindsight.
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It’s a small change but that additional agency may have ended up being useful - for instance I may have had a shot at living, potentially, last night. But hey - cults are hard and this is your first game. Please don’t take it as some big knock, I really like a ton of the ideas in play here. The way you entwined the flavor was very thematic and cool - I feel I’ve never managed to pull it off the way you have so props. I may not have lasted long but I would definitely sign up for future games if you all (as a combo or separately) chose to do more!
Loki's not wrong in her reasoning here but this take coming from her is surprising.
Putting together a bunch of night chats and getting 18 players assigned to them takes time. Also the Outer Mafia team is all voluntary and we regularly have to take care of other real life stuff before we can get to Mafia stuff. There are a lot of reasons why chats might be delayed.
(I also thought we got the chats open pretty quickly, all things considered.)
They also know (if they believe him) that vere got to choose his chat partner, which we had to wait on
Sometimes I read Blarg's posts and they leave me like..
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Your team has done an amazing job this game getting everyone in and in the correct chat.
ATP and I literally could not do the game this way without uou
Natiko
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I’m not helping with this game, but the acknowledgment is always appreciated. I feel like we’ve come a long way on the OM team. We still make the occasional mistake, but we’ve done a lot to make it less likely.
Maol barging into the sleeping quarters pair chat like
Some town are handling the situation worse than others..
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I will say, one town player is just SO CLOSE to solving the whole thing.
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Alexem
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Have to admit that I think PoE could end up putting the squeeze on the cult, especially in light of tonight's pairings. I don't think the three-test phase will take them all out, but it could stall them.
In a way, losing a few cultists might help them in the long run by shrinking the number of players in the game, but they've got to keep up infections at a decent rate for that to work. As it stands, they've got quite a bit of work to do before the endgame becomes a possibility.
In a way, losing a few cultists might help them in the long run by shrinking the number of players in the game, but they've got to keep up infections at a decent rate for that to work. As it stands, they've got quite a bit of work to do before the endgame becomes a possibility.
Natiko
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Damn. Guessing that means:
Town will have more additional kills/tests beyond the triple one. We probably get hosed then. I was hoping it was just vig, double test, and triple test at which point as long as we go into the triple test with 4+ we never lose aside from whatever the base shit is.
Alexem
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ATP and Zipped should be able to give the final answer on that one, but as I recall...
I think play continues until either town win or scum reach majority, at which point things happen. That's my understanding, anyway.
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Alexem has it right, with the things happening having been alluded to but not specifically spelled out yet.
Alexem
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Honestly, I never considered the possibility of the vig taking out a cultist so quickly. Later in the game, perhaps, but making a correct shot two nights in? It goes to show that you can work things out in your head as much as you like beforehand, but there's always the chance the people will act in ways that you could have never expected.