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Pair Thread The Kitchen - Night 2 Chat (Hedin/Chuggernaut)
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Chuggernaut
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Aight, who’d I get
Chuggernaut
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Aw sick. Mario Kart: Double Dash: Be worried your partner will back stab you while you drive edition
Chuggernaut
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EoD was a mess. Didn’t have time to process any info at the end there, and just kind of put a vote down on HP and hoped.
Chuggernaut
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I’ll just have to remember to associate weird flavor talk as a thing HP does from now on
If you stab me please be gentle.
Chuggernaut
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I felt so good about pushing HP and Maol earlier, and now I’m pretty sure the dog induced paranoia was all nonsense.
Chuggernaut
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It’s not much, but just based on everything I think all the other dogs are telling the truth about being dogs, which means looking back on this day, we can probably say the dogs wouldn’t be partnered with each other at the very least.
Chuggernaut
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I completely agree. I know people like flavor, but I feel like most game designers don’t like the game to be solved by flavor, and I have no idea why they wouldn’t give them a fake claim.
Chuggernaut
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Okay let’s do this. Vote analysis is probably useless so let’s go through roster, give some general thoughts and also if you feel like scum would try to recruit them. I know this is assuming a lot, but at least it’s something
Chuggernaut
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Yeah got to finish up some work and I’ll get to it in a bit also
Nat - I find it a little strange that Nat would have gone along with Maol's claim plan but that seems like neither here not there at this point, although I guess if Patient Zero was a dog I would look at him or Maol first. Nothing from his play has really jumped out to me as a current scum Nat.
EC - Seems to be a lot more quiet that normal. Of course looking scummy like he always does, was quick to respond when I asked him if he was infected yet.
Random - I really liked what he brought to the night chat last night but I don't think he kept it up during the day. I was surprised to see him being up there among the day's top posters because nothing jumped out at me .
HP - Good for now
Z-Beat - I'm getting a weird feeling on him. Not super active, not making any reads. A place to prob I think.
Vere - I understand him not claiming last night, especially after we said claiming was a bad idea. Seems to be playing a normal Vere game but was really slow to put a vote down today. Know he was questioning Nat a lot but that felt a little unusual.
Maol - May be my top town read currently. Not in love with his claiming strat and if I want to be real conspiracy minded it would be a good way to figure out who to infect. Still seemed to be very active and pushing. If this is an improved scum Maol after MU we're all in trouble long term.
Hedin - obviously town
Chuggs - probably town, 99% sure based on your reaction that you weren't the cause of you staying yesterday. Maybe was going after Nat a bit hard but you guys are also friends so there is another dynamic in there.
Nin - I have no idea what nin is doing. He feels the most suspicious to me right now but he is definitely acting like he doesn't give two shits which is throwing me a bit.
Blargonaut - this is a town Blarg, still waiting for a helpful town Blarg though
anex - definitely playing a different playstyle and I don't know how to react to that yet.
loki - I thought she was super strong in the night chat. She was not really present in the day at all. I know her work schedule makes it difficult and I believe her just falling asleep but she didn't have the following during the day that I would have liked. Still strongly town read her based on N1.
Hawthorn - seems like normal town Hawthorn to me. I typically have some differences with her approach, we just read and react to the game a bit differently, but it feels consistent to her town meta right now.
Kyan - Too quiet. He's usually not a high poster but I typically remember him being active than what he's been so far. Might put him at the bottom of my potential infected list.
Mazre - hasn't done much for me either way. I don't have a scum read but don't have a super town read. Probably just trying to get their bearings with the community but worth keeping an eye on.
Neki - gets points from me on being reluctant to claim despite knowing how it would look in the away chat. Not scum reading him at the moment.
EC - Seems to be a lot more quiet that normal. Of course looking scummy like he always does, was quick to respond when I asked him if he was infected yet.
Random - I really liked what he brought to the night chat last night but I don't think he kept it up during the day. I was surprised to see him being up there among the day's top posters because nothing jumped out at me .
HP - Good for now
Z-Beat - I'm getting a weird feeling on him. Not super active, not making any reads. A place to prob I think.
Vere - I understand him not claiming last night, especially after we said claiming was a bad idea. Seems to be playing a normal Vere game but was really slow to put a vote down today. Know he was questioning Nat a lot but that felt a little unusual.
Maol - May be my top town read currently. Not in love with his claiming strat and if I want to be real conspiracy minded it would be a good way to figure out who to infect. Still seemed to be very active and pushing. If this is an improved scum Maol after MU we're all in trouble long term.
Hedin - obviously town
Chuggs - probably town, 99% sure based on your reaction that you weren't the cause of you staying yesterday. Maybe was going after Nat a bit hard but you guys are also friends so there is another dynamic in there.
Nin - I have no idea what nin is doing. He feels the most suspicious to me right now but he is definitely acting like he doesn't give two shits which is throwing me a bit.
Blargonaut - this is a town Blarg, still waiting for a helpful town Blarg though
anex - definitely playing a different playstyle and I don't know how to react to that yet.
loki - I thought she was super strong in the night chat. She was not really present in the day at all. I know her work schedule makes it difficult and I believe her just falling asleep but she didn't have the following during the day that I would have liked. Still strongly town read her based on N1.
Hawthorn - seems like normal town Hawthorn to me. I typically have some differences with her approach, we just read and react to the game a bit differently, but it feels consistent to her town meta right now.
Kyan - Too quiet. He's usually not a high poster but I typically remember him being active than what he's been so far. Might put him at the bottom of my potential infected list.
Mazre - hasn't done much for me either way. I don't have a scum read but don't have a super town read. Probably just trying to get their bearings with the community but worth keeping an eye on.
Neki - gets points from me on being reluctant to claim despite knowing how it would look in the away chat. Not scum reading him at the moment.
My top scum reads right now would be nin, Z-beat, and Kyan. Having a hard time with a second tier but maybe Vere, anex, and loki as a long shot from being infected last night. If we're right and we might be looking at just two current infected then it makes sense why it's hard for us to get good scum reads.
As for who we think would likely be infected that is Grade A WIFOM territory. I would probably go for the vocal players who town can coalesce around like you, Nat, and Maol just to see if we could steer the town direction but really I can make an argument for anyone.
As for who we think would likely be infected that is Grade A WIFOM territory. I would probably go for the vocal players who town can coalesce around like you, Nat, and Maol just to see if we could steer the town direction but really I can make an argument for anyone.
Chuggernaut
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Going to shamelessly copy your format.
Nat - I'm mixed here. I'm going to be honest, lost my confidence in this vote the longer I was on it, but I just expect more from him I guess? I was feeling good about him after our little tussle, but all of the reads he brought to the table at the end just felt like nothing new. Going to wait to see what he brings tomorrow. Feel like this could very well be Nat being stubborn, and I feel like scum Nat wouldn't be rocking the boat like this.
EC - I'm trying to remember if he's normally this quiet until he gets info he things is actually usable or not. Going to try to read USPS because I remember him being active a lot after he got a result, but I don't remember much before that. Depending on what I find, this is probably going to be somewhere I'm looking tomorrow. I don't think his play style is going to beneficial to town at all here, and I would rather get him checked sooner rather than later
Random - I agree, and I kind of mentioned it earlier in that it felt like he was falling into some people pleasing, but I really liked his post where he voted for HP the first time. Felt very well thought out even if I'm starting to this he might have been wrong about all of his reads there. Would still say town here.
HP - lol
Z-Beat - This would normally be where I say he feels like he's on a team by himself, and is probably not scum, but that doesn't really work here. I dunno, I've seen Beat get hung up hard on flavor in quite a few games, but there seemed to be a complete unwillingness to do anything that I was not a fan of.
Vere - If there's a deep wolf, it's him, but I'm not willing to go that route yet. Everything that makes sense as a scum game would involve Vere just big braining this game, and typically scum play it a bit safer than that.
Maol - I came around on him as the day went on. Liked what I saw and as long as he keeps up this same energy I don't intend to vote there.
Hedin - There's some paranoia here, but I feel good about you. Your town game has always reminded me of ATP's in that I think your both good at pushing the game forward while not just falling in line with whoever is leading town, and I saw that here.
Chuggs - Insert joke about me being clearly town here.
Nin - He's completely disengaged. Him not realizing he couldn't access the night chat is just an impressive degree of not caring. I think he's more of a liability to town at this point, and I'm very okay with testing him if he doesn't step it up.
Blargonaut - Yeah, I've mentioned before that I don't find Blarg all that hard to read. As long as it's not pure shit posting, he's probably good.
anex - Would like more from him, but I refuse to believe that post about the goat problem came from scum.
loki - Yeah, I would agree with this. I'm trying to keep in mind that I wasn't super feeling her until the night chat yesterday either, so it's probably nothing, but I wasn't a fan of her coming in near the end and arguing about the home vs. away team stuff for the 100th time. Like yeah, that team came in weirdly looking to pick a fight, but they're also 100% majority town players and at a certain point it just feels like noise to keep talking about it. I'll probably feel better if her partner tonight was seeing the same things we saw in the last night chat.
Hawthorn - Yeah, agree on Thorny. Not a big fan of her being one of the people that was pushing the "Got to test a dog today" argument, but I think all her reads are solid enough.
Kyan - He's quiet, but I feel like the content of his posts are fine for the most part. I like most of his reads, and I like that he went against the grain from the rest of his chat in regards to Neki.
Mazre - This is fair, and is probably kind of a blind spot for me. I feel like he blended in with our chats mindset for yesterday, but that could easily be scum trying to slide into a mind meld. Going to try to give him a reread.
Neki - I think I agree with this too despite voting for him. I dunno, everything I heard tracks from someone who doesn't like claiming, and while "Does this person care about how they look" is something I take into account when looking for scum, town can be peer pressured into doing something they don't think is a great idea, and it kind of feels like what has happened here.
Nat - I'm mixed here. I'm going to be honest, lost my confidence in this vote the longer I was on it, but I just expect more from him I guess? I was feeling good about him after our little tussle, but all of the reads he brought to the table at the end just felt like nothing new. Going to wait to see what he brings tomorrow. Feel like this could very well be Nat being stubborn, and I feel like scum Nat wouldn't be rocking the boat like this.
EC - I'm trying to remember if he's normally this quiet until he gets info he things is actually usable or not. Going to try to read USPS because I remember him being active a lot after he got a result, but I don't remember much before that. Depending on what I find, this is probably going to be somewhere I'm looking tomorrow. I don't think his play style is going to beneficial to town at all here, and I would rather get him checked sooner rather than later
Random - I agree, and I kind of mentioned it earlier in that it felt like he was falling into some people pleasing, but I really liked his post where he voted for HP the first time. Felt very well thought out even if I'm starting to this he might have been wrong about all of his reads there. Would still say town here.
HP - lol
Z-Beat - This would normally be where I say he feels like he's on a team by himself, and is probably not scum, but that doesn't really work here. I dunno, I've seen Beat get hung up hard on flavor in quite a few games, but there seemed to be a complete unwillingness to do anything that I was not a fan of.
Vere - If there's a deep wolf, it's him, but I'm not willing to go that route yet. Everything that makes sense as a scum game would involve Vere just big braining this game, and typically scum play it a bit safer than that.
Maol - I came around on him as the day went on. Liked what I saw and as long as he keeps up this same energy I don't intend to vote there.
Hedin - There's some paranoia here, but I feel good about you. Your town game has always reminded me of ATP's in that I think your both good at pushing the game forward while not just falling in line with whoever is leading town, and I saw that here.
Chuggs - Insert joke about me being clearly town here.
Nin - He's completely disengaged. Him not realizing he couldn't access the night chat is just an impressive degree of not caring. I think he's more of a liability to town at this point, and I'm very okay with testing him if he doesn't step it up.
Blargonaut - Yeah, I've mentioned before that I don't find Blarg all that hard to read. As long as it's not pure shit posting, he's probably good.
anex - Would like more from him, but I refuse to believe that post about the goat problem came from scum.
loki - Yeah, I would agree with this. I'm trying to keep in mind that I wasn't super feeling her until the night chat yesterday either, so it's probably nothing, but I wasn't a fan of her coming in near the end and arguing about the home vs. away team stuff for the 100th time. Like yeah, that team came in weirdly looking to pick a fight, but they're also 100% majority town players and at a certain point it just feels like noise to keep talking about it. I'll probably feel better if her partner tonight was seeing the same things we saw in the last night chat.
Hawthorn - Yeah, agree on Thorny. Not a big fan of her being one of the people that was pushing the "Got to test a dog today" argument, but I think all her reads are solid enough.
Kyan - He's quiet, but I feel like the content of his posts are fine for the most part. I like most of his reads, and I like that he went against the grain from the rest of his chat in regards to Neki.
Mazre - This is fair, and is probably kind of a blind spot for me. I feel like he blended in with our chats mindset for yesterday, but that could easily be scum trying to slide into a mind meld. Going to try to give him a reread.
Neki - I think I agree with this too despite voting for him. I dunno, everything I heard tracks from someone who doesn't like claiming, and while "Does this person care about how they look" is something I take into account when looking for scum, town can be peer pressured into doing something they don't think is a great idea, and it kind of feels like what has happened here.
Chuggernaut
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I think my top 3 at this point would be EC, nin, and Beat. Maz under that. Vere, Loki, and probably you are the players that I want to trust, but I could see being recruited, but that's stuff I'm going to worry about later.
And yeah, that's fair about the recruiting stuff. The loud players are probably a good bet, but it also seems like we all rolled god damn vanilla this game, so maybe they try to pick off all of our real obvious PRs.
We can maybe pass on Thorny tomorrow, but I do think we probably need to check her the next day. There's no way scum just let's a watcher hang out
And yeah, that's fair about the recruiting stuff. The loud players are probably a good bet, but it also seems like we all rolled god damn vanilla this game, so maybe they try to pick off all of our real obvious PRs.
We can maybe pass on Thorny tomorrow, but I do think we probably need to check her the next day. There's no way scum just let's a watcher hang out
I'm wondering if we're going to get night kills at all. Maybe the scum team can choose to either infect or kill at night. Just thinking that if we're not actually eliminating anyone at the end of the day and then no one dies at night this could end up being a long game and maybe fairly testy if we have to rehash everyone each day.
Chuggernaut
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Yeah, this was something that I would think also. I can’t think of a way infection works that doesn’t make it hopeless for town at a certain point unless you can kill as well.
Chuggernaut
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Anyway, anything else you want to talk about? Wish we had more time to talk because this fell during a time that i didn’t really have much time lol
Chuggernaut
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Yeah, this is going to be a tough game. Having a group of players that don’t want to give reads is going to hurt us here.
Yep we need active players. I typically don't go after inactives (learned my lesson after shooting Zipped) but going to have to pressure them more than usual I think. The problem is that a night roleblock isn't quite as big of a stick as the threat of elimination is.
If you could choose one person to test in the next day to see their status who would it be? Like not who you is your strongest scum read but who do you want reassurance that they are clear as of right now? I think that would be Maol for me, would feel much better if I knew he was still one of the good guys/gals.
Chuggernaut
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I’ll be real, probably you. Think we got a decent little town core going in that night chat, and i would like to be able to trust it. If any of those players could fool me, it’s probably you or Vere, with I think you just slightly edging out Vere. Maol is real good, but he’s loud enough where I think I would have the chance to spot inconsistencies if he went evil and I’m decently confident he wasn’t scum at the start of this.
Chuggernaut
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I'm still worried about Nat a bit, but I'm probably letting that go for this next day phase. Feel like we were on the wrong track there. Most likely going to push for a player like nin or EC. We need to figure out what's going on with those slots sooner rather than later, because with the way they're playing, we're probably not going to be able to get a solid town read on them
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